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General Defense Comments
Good D, but a lot of luck. Several drops, etc.. Mahomes still had a high QBR (65), so needed the luck and penalties... lol... Thank you football gods!


General Group Comments

  • DL - Only 1 sack, but decent pressure IMO. Bad grade for Ngakoue, but a sack, a TFL, and 2 QBHs. Defo solid too. In short, 3 of 4 starting DLs are 70+, and the worst graded guy, has the most pressures... 
  • LB -Speed less snaps this week again, still best LB grade. And a PD too in few snaps.... 
  • CB - Finally Rodgers!! Made a difference. Gilmore great again. Facyson decent/good again. Moore bad again.
  • S - Nice surprises from Thomas and McLeod. S was better without Blackmon at FS... 

 

Note - will bold/color names in future

 

 

  • LDE
    • Paye (2021 PFF 70-5 sacks)
      • Snaps% - 79/72/63/
      • PFF - 77-2/74/77/
      • Note -  nice
    • Lewis (71-3)
      • Snaps% - 46/54/60/
      • PFF - 56/53/58/
    • Dayo (61-1)
      • Snaps% - 6/23/21/
      • PFF - 69/53/61
      • Note - better
  • 3T
    • Buckner (72-9)
      • Snaps% - 86/70/78/
      • PFF - 71/75/78/
      • Notes - no sacks but 2 QBH, good general play
    • Cowart (NA)
      • Snaps% - 20/14/14/
      • PFF - 59/72/60/
      • Note - 
  • NT
    • Stewart (73-1)
      • Snaps% - 56/68/63/
      • PFF - 70/82/77/
      • Note - 
    • Johnson (rook)
      • Snaps% - 6/15/5/
      • PFF - 56/31/30/
      • Note - pushing too fast??? ouch again... 
  • RDE/LEO
    • Ngakoue (47-10)
      • Snaps% - 81/69/68/
      • PFF - 46/35/38-1/
      • Note:  bad grade, but pressures, 2 QBH, TFL, and a sack. 
    • Odenigbo (50-0)
      • Snaps% - 16/10/13/
      • PFF - 47/48/62
      • Note: Decent snaps
    • Banogu (60-0)
      • Snaps% - 3/6/6/
      • PFF - 63/58/55/
  • WLB
    • Okereke (59-2 INTs)
      • Snaps% - 100/93/89/
      • PFF - 66/75/69/
      • Note - solid, not great. 
    • Speed (52)
      • Snaps% - 54/34/25/
      • PFF - 80/79/77/
      • Note - reward by reduced snaps again?? lol. A PD too. 
    • Stuard - NA
  • MLB
    • Leonard (79-4)
      • Snaps% - NA/NA/NA/
      • PFF - NA/NA/NA/
      • Note - vs TN????
  • SAM
    • Franklin (71-1)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 52/52/53/
      • Note - not horrible, but would prefer more snaps from Speed. 
    • Domann - NA
  • CB1
    • Gilmore (77-2 INT)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/84/
      • PFF - 72/73/75
      • Note - Good 3x... very good, and consistent. PD too. Nice.
    • Rodgers (71-3)
      • Snaps% - NA/NA/38/
      • PFF - NA/NA/76/
      • Note - finally... #3 highest grade 
  • CB2
    • Facyson (52-1)
      • Snaps% - 46/73/73/
      • PFF - 59/68/72/
      • Note - solid
    • Flowers (rook) - NA
  • NB
    • Moore (67-4)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/97/
      • PFF - 45/52/44/
      • Note - bad again... big contract? nah
  • FS
    • Blackmon (61-0)
      • Snaps% - 100/86/19/
      • PFF - 37/53/55/
      • Note -still meh. 
    • Thomas -
      • Snap% - NA/NA/81/
      • PFF - NA/NA/63/
      • Note: not bad at all, nice surprise
  • SS
    • Cross (rook)
      • Snaps% - 100/65/2/
      • PFF - 61/51/51/
      • Note - only few snaps
    • McLeod (64-2)
      • Snaps% - 3/49/100/
      • PFF - 60/46/62/
      • Note - better! INT and 2 PDs!!!
    • Watts (80-0) - NA

 

 

Good: 70+ (bold blue)
Average: 55-69 (normal)
Bad: Less 55 (bold red)

 

FYI 

  • Separated O and D (2 threads) this year. Too much (info/lines) last year.
  • Snap %s and PFF grades are rounded (no XX.XX)
  • Snaps - per game (%, not # snaps)
  • PFF grade - not per game, current year's total grade
  • Color/bold text (good vs bad, and range) changed - see bottom
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28 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

 

General Defense Comments
Good D, but a lot of luck. Several drops, etc.. Mahomes still had a high QBR (65), so needed the luck and penalties... lol... Thank you football gods!


General Group Comments

  • DL - Only 1 sack, but decent pressure IMO. Bad grade for Ngakoue, but a sack, a TFL, and 2 QBHs. Defo solid too. In short, 3 of 4 starting DLs are 70+, and the worst graded guy, has the most pressures... 
  • LB -Speed less snaps this week again, still best LB grade. And a PD too in few snaps.... 
  • CB - Finally Rodgers!! Made a difference. Gilmore great again. Facyson decent/good again. Moore bad again.
  • S - Nice surprises from Thomas and McLeod. S was better without Blackmon at FS... 

 

Note - will bold/color names in future

 

 

  • LDE
    • Paye (2021 PFF 70-5 sacks)
      • Snaps% - 79/72/63/
      • PFF - 77-2/74/77/
      • Note -  nice
    • Lewis (71-3)
      • Snaps% - 46/54/60/
      • PFF - 56/53/58/
    • Dayo (61-1)
      • Snaps% - 6/23/21/
      • PFF - 69/53/61
      • Note - better
  • 3T
    • Buckner (72-9)
      • Snaps% - 86/70/78/
      • PFF - 71/75/78/
      • Notes - no sacks but 2 QBH, good general play
    • Cowart (NA)
      • Snaps% - 20/14/14/
      • PFF - 59/72/60/
      • Note - 
  • NT
    • Stewart (73-1)
      • Snaps% - 56/68/63/
      • PFF - 70/82/77/
      • Note - 
    • Johnson (rook)
      • Snaps% - 6/15/5/
      • PFF - 56/31/30/
      • Note - pushing too fast??? ouch again... 
  • RDE/LEO
    • Ngakoue (47-10)
      • Snaps% - 81/69/68/
      • PFF - 46/35/38-1/
      • Note:  bad grade, but pressures, 2 QBH, TFL, and a sack. 
    • Odenigbo (50-0)
      • Snaps% - 16/10/13/
      • PFF - 47/48/62
      • Note: Decent snaps
    • Banogu (60-0)
      • Snaps% - 3/6/6/
      • PFF - 63/58/55/
  • WLB
    • Okereke (59-2 INTs)
      • Snaps% - 100/93/89/
      • PFF - 66/75/69/
      • Note - solid, not great. 
    • Speed (52)
      • Snaps% - 54/34/25/
      • PFF - 80/79/77/
      • Note - reward by reduced snaps again?? lol. A PD too. 
    • Stuard - NA
  • MLB
    • Leonard (79-4)
      • Snaps% - NA/NA/NA/
      • PFF - NA/NA/NA/
      • Note - vs TN????
  • SAM
    • Franklin (71-1)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 52/52/53/
      • Note - not horrible, but would prefer more snaps from Speed. 
    • Domann - NA
  • CB1
    • Gilmore (77-2 INT)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/84/
      • PFF - 72/73/75
      • Note - Good 3x... very good, and consistent. PD too. Nice.
    • Rodgers (71-3)
      • Snaps% - NA/NA/38/
      • PFF - NA/NA/76/
      • Note - finally... #3 highest grade 
  • CB2
    • Facyson (52-1)
      • Snaps% - 46/73/73/
      • PFF - 59/68/72/
      • Note - solid
    • Flowers (rook) - NA
  • NB
    • Moore (67-4)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/97/
      • PFF - 45/52/44/
      • Note - bad again... big contract? nah
  • FS
    • Blackmon (61-0)
      • Snaps% - 100/86/19/
      • PFF - 37/53/55/
      • Note -still meh. 
    • Thomas -
      • Snap% - NA/NA/81/
      • PFF - NA/NA/63/
      • Note: not bad at all, nice surprise
  • SS
    • Cross (rook)
      • Snaps% - 100/65/2/
      • PFF - 61/51/51/
      • Note - only few snaps
    • McLeod (64-2)
      • Snaps% - 3/49/100/
      • PFF - 60/46/62/
      • Note - better! INT and 2 PDs!!!
    • Watts (80-0) - NA

 

 

Good: 70+ (bold blue)
Average: 55-69 (normal)
Bad: Less 55 (bold red)

 

FYI 

  • Separated O and D (2 threads) this year. Too much (info/lines) last year.
  • Snap %s and PFF grades are rounded (no XX.XX)
  • Snaps - per game (%, not # snaps)
  • PFF grade - not per game, current year's total grade
  • Color/bold text (good vs bad, and range) changed - see bottom

D was solid and there was luck on both sides of the ball... Our OL was horrendous

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Ngakoue is horrible. His sack was clean up coverage sack where he had tons of time to get there. He gets absolutely hammered in the run game with incredible consistency. If I'm the opposing coordinators I will run straight at him every second play(and I hate running the ball). 

 

Rodgers and Gilmore were great. Gilmore is a joy to watch, I hope his hammy holds up... he missed games with it last year and he was taken out of play for a few snaps because of it too. Didn't notice Facyson much, so... maybe that's a positive and he actually did his job this game too. In general I liked our play in coverage, especially when you consider the opponent. Sure we had some luck with a drop or two, but still... this was a much better performance than previous games. 

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1 hour ago, stitches said:

 If I'm the opposing coordinators I will run straight at him every second play(and I hate running the ball). 

 

 

Belichick and Vrabel certainly will, like it's Frenney in 2004.

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The defense will come around as the young draft picks begin to play as well as Autry/Houston used to, and we have at least one solid Corner.

 

KCs offense missed its playmaking Flanker in this game ...  go figure.  Will other teams' defenses start playing them this way?

 

Yannick was brought here for pass rush, not necessarily well-rounded EDGE play.  Seems to still be a missing piece of the D.

Paye looks good at LDE.  With Grover and Defo doing well each game this year...accounts for the good run defense?

Dayo still meh, but its basically his rookie year.

As said many times, Rodgers is keeper.  Hopefully he can hold up at slot over Moore at some point.

Gilmore has had nagging hammies.  He was on the FA market for a while.  Expect snaps to be missed.

Safties are still a work in progress. 

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@EastStreet

 

I saw you mentioned it, but it's not getting talked about anywhere else. 

 

The S duo was completely different this game. "DROY candidate" Nick Cross was essentially benched (unless there was an injury that didn't get reported). And Blackmon got hurt early and had to leave.

 

Blackmon just can't stay healthy, unfortunately. They haven't said how severe it is yet, but I ankle sprains can typically be multi-week injuries. But as we have been saying, he's just not a good FS cause he can't cover...and Bradley's scheme just exacerbated that.

 

But I think Thomas actually has a chance to be an upgrade. Or maybe they move McLeod to FS (I think he should have been starting there all season) and let Thomas play SS.

 

I know they will rotate in Ss depending on the matchup, but I am very interested to see who the starting S duo will be moving forward.

 

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The more you look into PFF, you realize you really need to take their grades with a grain of salt. For one, there is so many little intricacy's in the game, that only the guys on the field. For example, the free rush into the A gap that sacked Ryan. Whos fault is it? We literally still don't know. Could be Kelly, could be Taylor, could be someone else all together. The problem is, the PFF guys HAVE to pick someone. Or say on defense you're trying to pinch one side of the DL and force a run the other way. So the weakside DE pinches in, and the weakside LB or nickel is supposed to set the backside edge, but they mess it up and lose the edge. On tape, it looks like the DEs fault not containing, but it could easily not be. But again, PFF HAS to pick one to blame.

 

Also, the people grading, not saying all, but largely aren't qualified. I've interviewed for a data analyst role with them and turned it down. I wouldn't even say I'm qualified.

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You are definitely right about blown blocking assignments and blown coverages.  That is impossible to grade without knowing the play call.

 

But there is a lot that can be graded and I think PFF does a decent job of giving us an idea.

 

You can certainly grade man on man matchups on the line  and things and football is at the same time way more complex and less complex than people realise.  Remember that most players receive no grade on most plays.  For instance a QB gets no grade on a handoff. 

 

Graders can tell coverages for the most part by looking at what everyone is doing, not necessarily the person or two involved in the play.

 

Blocking assignments are harder to grade without the play calls. 


So I agree there are things that can't be graded accurately, but overall PFF gives you a pretty good ball park idea how guys are playing. 

 

Grading really isn't that hard.  Anyone can do it if they are told what to look for.  It's hard to collate but it's not hard to look at a guy on a play and note   either  ++   +  0   -     --     If you are given good guidelines, most people will come up with similar grades on individual plays.  

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3 hours ago, DougDew said:

The defense will come around as the young draft picks begin to play as well as Autry/Houston used to, and we have at least one solid Corner.

 

KCs offense missed its playmaking Flanker in this game ...  go figure.  Will other teams' defenses start playing them this way?

 

Yannick was brought here for pass rush, not necessarily well-rounded EDGE play.  Seems to still be a missing piece of the D.

Paye looks good at LDE.  With Grover and Defo doing well each game this year...accounts for the good run defense?

Dayo still meh, but its basically his rookie year.

As said many times, Rodgers is keeper.  Hopefully he can hold up at slot over Moore at some point.

Gilmore has had nagging hammies.  He was on the FA market for a while.  Expect snaps to be missed.

Safties are still a work in progress. 

Which is why I think Yannick should be rotated in on clear passing downs, use Dayo or Lewis on running downs. Yannick has been a disappointment thus far.

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3 hours ago, DougDew said:

The defense will come around as the young draft picks begin to play as well as Autry/Houston used to, and we have at least one solid Corner.

 

KCs offense missed its playmaking Flanker in this game ...  go figure.  Will other teams' defenses start playing them this way?

 

Yannick was brought here for pass rush, not necessarily well-rounded EDGE play.  Seems to still be a missing piece of the D.

Paye looks good at LDE.  With Grover and Defo doing well each game this year...accounts for the good run defense?

Dayo still meh, but its basically his rookie year.

As said many times, Rodgers is keeper.  Hopefully he can hold up at slot over Moore at some point.

Gilmore has had nagging hammies.  He was on the FA market for a while.  Expect snaps to be missed.

Safties are still a work in progress. 

What play making WR was KC missing?

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Chiefs are not the offensive Juggernaut they were a few years ago.  Still a good passing team but not elite or even in that discussion anymore.  Bottom 10 rushing team 

 

Still a good defensive performance without our best player 

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22 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

What play making WR was KC missing?

Hill.   Its why I said that maybe other defenses will start playing KC like we did.    KCs offense was the Pat Tyreek and Travis show for several years.   Its not going to be the same without Hill, despite KC scoring points the first two games.  JMO.

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31 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Hill.   Its why I said that maybe other defenses will start playing KC like we did.    KCs offense was the Pat Tyreek and Travis show for several years.   Its not going to be the same without Hill, despite KC scoring points the first two games.  JMO.

Missing Tyreek is definitely a move that will haunt them. MVS, JuJu, Hardman, those guys are good, but they're no Tyreek.  Maybe they were hoping to get that out of Skyy but I don't think he's even seen the field yet except for a couple of plays.

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2 hours ago, NorthernColt said:

The more you look into PFF, you realize you really need to take their grades with a grain of salt. For one, there is so many little intricacy's in the game, that only the guys on the field. For example, the free rush into the A gap that sacked Ryan. Whos fault is it? We literally still don't know. Could be Kelly, could be Taylor, could be someone else all together. The problem is, the PFF guys HAVE to pick someone. Or say on defense you're trying to pinch one side of the DL and force a run the other way. So the weakside DE pinches in, and the weakside LB or nickel is supposed to set the backside edge, but they mess it up and lose the edge. On tape, it looks like the DEs fault not containing, but it could easily not be. But again, PFF HAS to pick one to blame.

 

Also, the people grading, not saying all, but largely aren't qualified. I've interviewed for a data analyst role with them and turned it down. I wouldn't even say I'm qualified.


I always say trust your eyes first.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Missing Tyreek is definitely a move that will haunt them. MVS, JuJu, Hardman, those guys are good, but they're no Tyreek.  Maybe they were hoping to get that out of Skyy but I don't think he's even seen the field yet except for a couple of plays.

Generally speaking, I think Gus kept Mahomes contained and then used our best cover DB on Kelce.  Let KC beat you by Mahomes throwing to the "off" receivers from the pocket.   

 

I assume other DCs will take this approach going forward.

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15 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Generally speaking, I think Gus kept Mahomes contained and then used our best cover DB on Kelce.  Let KC beat you by Mahomes throwing to the "off" receivers from the pocket.   

 

I assume other DCs will take this approach going forward.

Well they kept Mahomes contained, but we did that the last time we faced them.  We were lucky enough that Tyreek's ankle injury or whatever it was hadn't healed yet so he didn't play. 

 

But that's just what I mean, you can keep Mahomes contained from escaping, but he still had plenty of plays where he escaped.  His biggest problem in both those games was the absence of Tyreek Hill.  Because its' those plays where the play breaks down and Mahomes extends it.  One of the things that made Tyreek so good was in addition to his top tier speed, was his uncanny ability to find open spots for Mahomes to throw to him at.  He's like vintage TY Hilton in that way.  You know the whole, "we have rules for receivers when the play breaks down and hte QB extends it.  Those rules don't apply to TY.  He makes up his own."

 

Tyreek Hill, same thing.

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16 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Well they kept Mahomes contained, but we did that the last time we faced them.  We were lucky enough that Tyreek's ankle injury or whatever it was hadn't healed yet so he didn't play. 

 

But that's just what I mean, you can keep Mahomes contained from escaping, but he still had plenty of plays where he escaped.  His biggest problem in both those games was the absence of Tyreek Hill.  Because its' those plays where the play breaks down and Mahomes extends it.  One of the things that made Tyreek so good was in addition to his top tier speed, was his uncanny ability to find open spots for Mahomes to throw to him at.  He's like vintage TY Hilton in that way.  You know the whole, "we have rules for receivers when the play breaks down and hte QB extends it.  Those rules don't apply to TY.  He makes up his own."

 

Tyreek Hill, same thing.

 

Tyreek Hill bum ankle then, Harrison Butker the FG kicker bum ankle now. 

 

Matt Amendola of the Chiefs is employed no more as a kicker. Chiefs passing on Chase McLaughlin and signing Matt Amendola sure worked for us. :) Blankenship does not make that 50 yarder. This might be the season of "quicker changes" on the part of the coaches because both Reich and Ballard sense a greater sense of urgency because they don't have much to show for as a team w.r.t winning the division for starters in the 4 prior years of being together. No room for clinging to too much loyalty to players right now.

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1 hour ago, chad72 said:

 

Tyreek Hill bum ankle then, Harrison Butker the FG kicker bum ankle now. 

 

Matt Amendola of the Chiefs is employed no more as a kicker. Chiefs passing on Chase McLaughlin and signing Matt Amendola sure worked for us. :) Blankenship does not make that 50 yarder. This might be the season of "quicker changes" on the part of the coaches because both Reich and Ballard sense a greater sense of urgency because they don't have much to show for as a team w.r.t winning the division for starters in the 4 prior years of being together. No room for clinging to too much loyalty to players right now.

Yeah, Blankenship had a bad day yesterday lol.

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4 hours ago, shasta519 said:

@EastStreet

 

I saw you mentioned it, but it's not getting talked about anywhere else. 

 

The S duo was completely different this game. "DROY candidate" Nick Cross was essentially benched (unless there was an injury that didn't get reported). And Blackmon got hurt early and had to leave.

 

Blackmon just can't stay healthy, unfortunately. They haven't said how severe it is yet, but I ankle sprains can typically be multi-week injuries. But as we have been saying, he's just not a good FS cause he can't cover...and Bradley's scheme just exacerbated that.

 

But I think Thomas actually has a chance to be an upgrade. Or maybe they move McLeod to FS (I think he should have been starting there all season) and let Thomas play SS.

 

I know they will rotate in Ss depending on the matchup, but I am very interested to see who the starting S duo will be moving forward.

 

 

Maybe it was a blessing in disguise that Blackmon got banged up that allowed Gus Bradley to see what McLeod and Thomas could do together. Remember when Grigson signed Mike Adams, he gave us a couple of solid years. That is why rushing the youth movement over experience may not have its rewards right away, thus sticking with experience could give you consistent solid play. We will see how things go in the games moving forward.

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48 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Maybe it was a blessing in disguise that Blackmon got banged up that allowed Gus Bradley to see what McLeod and Thomas could do together. Remember when Grigson signed Mike Adams, he gave us a couple of solid years. That is why rushing the youth movement over experience may not have its rewards right away, thus sticking with experience could give you consistent solid play. We will see how things go in the games moving forward.

 

When they signed McLeod, I thought it was because they intended him to be one of the starters. He's been a starter his whole career. And I figured he would be that vet presence to help Cross and Blackmon, or whomever.

 

But then Willis retired and I thought for sure he would start. But then Cross started flashing in TC because he's the most athletic person on the defense. And I think McLeod also got hurt in TC.  

 

But now, after a couple games, I have a feeling we will be seeing McLeod as one of the starting Ss going forward, as long as he stays health.

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2 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

Tyreek Hill bum ankle then, Harrison Butker the FG kicker bum ankle now. 

 

Matt Amendola of the Chiefs is employed no more as a kicker. Chiefs passing on Chase McLaughlin and signing Matt Amendola sure worked for us. :) Blankenship does not make that 50 yarder. This might be the season of "quicker changes" on the part of the coaches because both Reich and Ballard sense a greater sense of urgency because they don't have much to show for as a team w.r.t winning the division for starters in the 4 prior years of being together. No room for clinging to too much loyalty to players right now.

 

Maybe we're their Jaguars.   Something always goes wrong when they play us.

 

But nothing is going to beat that KC playoff game!

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41 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

Maybe we're their Jaguars.   Something always goes wrong when they play us.

 

But nothing is going to beat that KC playoff game!

 

Yep, even a fumble at the goal line gets picked up by us and Luck goes Superman against them.

 

Like KC Chiefs showed with Tyreek Hill, if you want to score quickly, you need a guy like him or T Y Hilton in his prime on your roster to pick up yardage in chunks. 

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10 hours ago, shasta519 said:

@EastStreet

 

I saw you mentioned it, but it's not getting talked about anywhere else. 

 

The S duo was completely different this game. "DROY candidate" Nick Cross was essentially benched (unless there was an injury that didn't get reported). And Blackmon got hurt early and had to leave.

 

Blackmon just can't stay healthy, unfortunately. They haven't said how severe it is yet, but I ankle sprains can typically be multi-week injuries. But as we have been saying, he's just not a good FS cause he can't cover...and Bradley's scheme just exacerbated that.

 

But I think Thomas actually has a chance to be an upgrade. Or maybe they move McLeod to FS (I think he should have been starting there all season) and let Thomas play SS.

 

I know they will rotate in Ss depending on the matchup, but I am very interested to see who the starting S duo will be moving forward.

 

 

Gus said we played higher complexity D last week vs Chiefs, so McLeod got the nod at SS.

 

IDK though... Gus played Cross all over the place in G1 (SS, FS, DL/blitz, NB/box, etc..).. seems pretty complex lol... 

 

I'd like Cross at FS TBH. Great measurables. Way better than Blackmon.

 

I like Thomas too. Better measurables than Blackmon too. Keep in mind, Thomas was a Swiss knife at Yale. Played LB and CB. Likely better coverage than Blackmon. In college, Blackmon was not good in coverage (reason why moved from CB to S). 

 

Regardless, I'd love to see Blackmon/McLeod at SS, and Thomas/Cross at SS. Doesn't matter who wins. 

 

 

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22 hours ago, shasta519 said:

@EastStreet

 

I saw you mentioned it, but it's not getting talked about anywhere else. 

 

The S duo was completely different this game. "DROY candidate" Nick Cross was essentially benched (unless there was an injury that didn't get reported). And Blackmon got hurt early and had to leave.

 

Blackmon just can't stay healthy, unfortunately. They haven't said how severe it is yet, but I ankle sprains can typically be multi-week injuries. But as we have been saying, he's just not a good FS cause he can't cover...and Bradley's scheme just exacerbated that.

 

But I think Thomas actually has a chance to be an upgrade. Or maybe they move McLeod to FS (I think he should have been starting there all season) and let Thomas play SS.

 

I know they will rotate in Ss depending on the matchup, but I am very interested to see who the starting S duo will be moving forward.

 

I'm convinced that Cross was drafted to be the FS of the future.  I'm surprised that he was put into the starting lineup at SS.  I thought McCloed would start at FS and Blackmon at SS, with Cross eased into the FS spot.  Guess not.

 

If Thomas emerges as an alternative to Blackmon, its a bonus.

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11 hours ago, DougDew said:

I'm convinced that Cross was drafted to be the FS of the future.  I'm surprised that he was put into the starting lineup at SS.  I thought McCloed would start at FS and Blackmon at SS, with Cross eased into the FS spot.  Guess not.

 

If Thomas emerges as an alternative to Blackmon, its a bonus.

 

Cross was SS in college. Questions on hips. Likely OK for FS in C3. Great measurables. At worst, SS. Will need patience regardless, especially if FS. Thomas was a CB and LB (early). Better coverage guy than Blackmon (who was moved from CB). Cross has easily better speed (best at S in general), but he'll need to learn the position (FS). 

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20 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Cross was SS in college. Questions on hips. Likely OK for FS in C3. Great measurables. At worst, SS. Will need patience regardless, especially if FS. Thomas was a CB and LB (early). Better coverage guy than Blackmon (who was moved from CB). Cross has easily better speed (best at S in general), but he'll need to learn the position (FS). 

See, I don't see where people get he was a SS.  I've read that here before.  I watched a video last spring of a review of Cross, and the reviewer watched an entire Maryland game and said that Cross came out of single high FS only three series the entire game.  And that he played FS most of the time his senior year at MD.  Maybe I can find that video.

 

Not saying you're wrong, but the stuff I read said he played FS and has NFL FS traits.

 

Edit:  Looking at some of the pre-draft stuff and it says he was a three year starter that played a variety of Safety positions.  Is projected as a FS because of traits and coverage limitations (hip tightness) when asked to turn and cover, so single-high (keeps the play in front of him) is a good fit. 

 

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37 minutes ago, DougDew said:

See, I don't see where people get he was a SS.  I've read that here before.  I watched a video last spring of a review of Cross, and the reviewer watched an entire Maryland game and said that Cross came out of single high FS only three series the entire game.  And that he played FS most of the time his senior year at MD.  Maybe I can find that video.

 

Not saying you're wrong, but the stuff I read said he played FS and has NFL FS traits.

 

Edit:  Looking at some of the pre-draft stuff and it says he was a three year starter that played a variety of Safety positions.  Is projected as a FS because of traits and coverage limitations (hip tightness) when asked to turn and cover, so single-high (keeps the play in front of him) is a good fit. 

 

 

IDK. Injury impact (what you saw)?

I watched film. Mostly SS. More of an enforcer type and split S. Even played a little WILL LB in packages. If playing some WILL, gotta guess primary SS. Don't know Maryland's D scheme well, but guessing split S. 

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1 hour ago, DougDew said:

See, I don't see where people get he was a SS.  I've read that here before.  I watched a video last spring of a review of Cross, and the reviewer watched an entire Maryland game and said that Cross came out of single high FS only three series the entire game.  And that he played FS most of the time his senior year at MD.  Maybe I can find that video.

 

Not saying you're wrong, but the stuff I read said he played FS and has NFL FS traits.

 

Edit:  Looking at some of the pre-draft stuff and it says he was a three year starter that played a variety of Safety positions.  Is projected as a FS because of traits and coverage limitations (hip tightness) when asked to turn and cover, so single-high (keeps the play in front of him) is a good fit. 

 

 

From NFL.com draft profile

 

Cross operated as the bouncer of the Maryland defense, playing with the aggression and explosiveness to throw opponents out of the club. He is a chase player who seeks to make a statement upon impact and has impressive stopping power near the line or as an open-field tackler. He's a tight-hipped, linear mover, so flipping and flying are not his strong suit. He's capable of matching with most flavors of tight end and will be most comfortable in coverages that allow him to play with a downhill trigger. He has the temperament, size and toughness to become an eventual starter in the league.

 

You must read PFN profile. The only profile that talks single high time. The rest talk SS and split S. 

 

Several talk speed, and perhaps project both or flex. 

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