Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

The Deep Ball???


Shadow_Creek

Recommended Posts

It's been 3 games and i really haven't seen Ryan trying to go deep at all . He did so last year many times with the Falcons and i wonder if Frank Doesn't trust our Wr group enough to let them fly. Even Pittman had many deep passes throw to him last year. Now you could say it's because the oline isn't giving him enough time for a deep pass however even with time to throw Ryan just seems to avoid going deep. I think the 30 yard pass to pierce yesterday was his longest past all season so far

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/26/2022 at 9:43 AM, Two_pound said:

Yep, I think Ryan Kelly is the biggest problem on the offensive line. Way too many people are getting free runs at Matt, Kelly has to do a better job at calling out the protection.


You must not be watching, Pryor and Pinter if you think that Kelly is the biggest liability across the entire O Line.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Two things:

 

- offensive line does not allow Ryan the time to even throw a deep ball

 

- our receivers can’t get open.  Play action isn’t working because our receivers aren’t getting open which means the box is steadily stacked which means we can’t run well

 

i don’t like Reich playcalling, but this one isn’t on him.  It’s the personnel

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1.  The offensive line has yet to "gel" as a unit.  Hopefully this happens sooner than later!!

 

2.  Pittman and Pierce seem to be the two that can get open down-the-field.  The other receivers and dink-and-dunk receivers - AT THIS POINT in the season.

 

Hoping BOTH improve this week.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/26/2022 at 7:26 AM, Shadow_Creek said:

It's been 3 games and i really haven't seen Ryan trying to go deep at all . He did so last year many times with the Falcons and i wonder if Frank Doesn't trust our Wr group enough to let them fly. Even Pittman had many deep passes throw to him last year. Now you could say it's because the oline isn't giving him enough time for a deep pass however even with time to throw Ryan just seems to avoid going deep. I think the 30 yard pass to pierce yesterday was his longest past all season so far

U need time to go deep , we can’t even get a 3 step drop off 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

U need time to go deep , we can’t even get a 3 step drop off 

Our protection has been surprisingly terrible but I also haven’t seen any separation from anybody besides Pittman so far. Bad protection and minimal easy open throws I think has made Ryan force a lot of balls and has him rushing reads.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Shadow_Creek meant to quote

 

 

We can throw more deep in early downs. 

Our OL isn't blitzed, stunted, or overpowered every down. 

 

If you've watched the O the last 4 years, you know we simply don't pass much deep.

Regardless of OL protection... 

 

And say the same every year.....

Our QBs have been good deep... just not to allow go deep lol...

 

Game one, 0/1 in deep passes (more 20 yards), late and down... 

Game two, 2/4 in deep passes - mostly late down big time, and D in prevent

Game three, 1/1 in deep passes - early (Pierce) in a 50/50. Rare aggressive call

 

Here's Ryan's relevant advanced stats (not sure updated with G3, but still.... )

 

  • AY/A - #31 (translate, our O is super duper shallow passing, not allowed to go deep)...... Frank O..... Ryan never has been so low... He had a worse OL last year, and was average (#16ish)... 
  • OL Protection Rate - #22 (he had #32 last year).... 
  • Accuracy - #10
  • Catchable pass rate - #3
  • Deep ball completion % - #9
  • Deep ball accuracy rating - #15
  • Receiver separation - #8 (2.24)... soooooo much for the WRs/TEs can't get separation... 

 

In short.... Ryan is not bad (in general or deep). WR/TEs are not bad.... OL is not good, but better than he had last season. but scheme is super duper shallow.... He's never been this low (AY/A, or ADOT, not close..... )

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

@Shadow_Creek meant to quote

 

 

We can throw more deep in early downs. 

Our OL isn't blitzed, stunted, or overpowered every down. 

 

If you've watched the O the last 4 years, you know we simply don't pass much deep.

Regardless of OL protection... 

 

And say the same every year.....

Our QBs have been good deep... just not to allow go deep lol...

 

Game one, 0/1 in deep passes (more 20 yards), late and down... 

Game two, 2/4 in deep passes - mostly late down big time, and D in prevent

Game three, 1/1 in deep passes - early (Pierce) in a 50/50. Rare aggressive call

 

Here's Ryan's relevant advanced stats (not sure updated with G3, but still.... )

 

  • AY/A - #31 (translate, our O is super duper shallow passing, not allowed to go deep)...... Frank O..... Ryan never has been so low... He had a worse OL last year, and was average (#16ish)... 
  • OL Protection Rate - #22 (he had #32 last year).... 
  • Accuracy - #10
  • Catchable pass rate - #3
  • Deep ball completion % - #9
  • Deep ball accuracy rating - #15
  • Receiver separation - #8 (2.24)... soooooo much for the WRs/TEs can't get separation... 

 

In short.... Ryan is not bad (in general or deep). WR/TEs are not bad.... OL is not good, but better than he had last season. but scheme is super duper shallow.... He's never been this low (AY/A, or ADOT, not close..... )

 

 

Bud,  I appreciate your statistical input Seriously I do. One of the things I come on here to read 

 

BUT

 

Do you ever get to watch a game without a notepad?

 

Do you get to scream and pump your arms when JT busts a long one?   When the Colts score do you get to hug and kiss your wife while jumping up and down?

 

Do you get to fist/chest bump your kiddos as they scream for the Colts?

 

Do you get to have popcorn /nachos and cold beer while you watch?

 

Again I appreciate what you do here?   I just hope you can sit back and enjoy the ride!   Life is short!   

 

Live baby live! And enjoy the game!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, ChuggaBeer said:

Bud,  I appreciate your statistical input Seriously I do. One of the things I come on here to read 

 

BUT

 

Do you ever get to watch a game without a notepad?

 

Do you get to scream and pump your arms when JT busts a long one?   When the Colts score do you get to hug and kiss your wife while jumping up and down?

 

Do you get to fist/chest bump your kiddos as they scream for the Colts?

 

Do you get to have popcorn /nachos and cold beer while you watch?

 

Again I appreciate what you do here?   I just hope you can sit back and enjoy the ride!   Life is short!   

 

Live baby live! And enjoy the game!!!

 

No notepad in live games.. lol...

I can "see" a lot, without a notebook. Lot's of fist pumps, high fives, and cussing.

 

I do re-watch a lot though, and more "notebook-ish"... re-watched tonight (NFL replay)... 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

No notepad in live games.. lol...

I can "see" a lot, without a notebook. Lot's of fist pumps, high fives, and cussing.

 

I do re-watch a lot though, and more "notebook-ish"... re-watched tonight (NFL replay)... 

Good deal brother.  Embrace this season its going to be a shocker!!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The last 5 years explained.....

 

2018:  Luck ginger shoulder first half of the year.

2019:  JB  really?

2020:  Rivers had no arm and no assets

2021:  Wentz had no assets and no protection

2022:  Ryan has no protection...few assets...and possibly no arm.   

 

Poor Frank.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

51 minutes ago, DougDew said:

The last 5 years explained.....

 

2018:  Luck ginger shoulder first half of the year.

2019:  JB  really?

2020:  Rivers had no arm and no assets

2021:  Wentz had no assets and no protection

2022:  Ryan has no protection...few assets...and possibly no arm.   

 

Poor Frank.

Just imagine if Luck was healthy and able to have played in 2019... 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/26/2022 at 7:26 AM, Shadow_Creek said:

It's been 3 games and i really haven't seen Ryan trying to go deep at all . He did so last year many times with the Falcons and i wonder if Frank Doesn't trust our Wr group enough to let them fly. Even Pittman had many deep passes throw to him last year. Now you could say it's because the oline isn't giving him enough time for a deep pass however even with time to throw Ryan just seems to avoid going deep. I think the 30 yard pass to pierce yesterday was his longest past all season so far

Brother I want to see it too. OL line has been terrible and I really don't think Frank likes the deep ball plays.

 

OL can't run block like last year either. Where have they went?

 

If I trust a QB to throw the deep ball it will be Matty and if it does come down to a few games of making playoffs I trust Matty to get us there. It's still early but IMO not too early. Wish we could have gotten the 1st two wins of season especially division wins.

 

Never have hope on another team to help you whether it is a win or loss to get in the playoffs. If people do, that team doesn't deserve to be there. Team needs to set its own destination, just WIN!! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

 Those guys are coming free up the middle that's not on prior


Pressure has been coming from all directions not just up the middle. Pinter plays directly to the right of Kelly. There is no such thing as coming up the middle unless Kelly is being completely run over. The center is usually engaged in a combo block a large majority of the time. Do your homework before you make erroneous statements.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/26/2022 at 5:26 AM, Shadow_Creek said:

It's been 3 games and i really haven't seen Ryan trying to go deep at all . He did so last year many times with the Falcons and i wonder if Frank Doesn't trust our Wr group enough to let them fly. Even Pittman had many deep passes throw to him last year. Now you could say it's because the oline isn't giving him enough time for a deep pass however even with time to throw Ryan just seems to avoid going deep. I think the 30 yard pass to pierce yesterday was his longest past all season so far

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, ProblChld32 said:


Pressure has been coming from all directions not just up the middle. Pinter plays directly to the right of Kelly. There is no such thing as coming up the middle unless Kelly is being completely run over. The center is usually engaged in a combo block a large majority of the time. Do your homework before you make erroneous statements.

 

Homework?

 

So... Not really (large majority). We see zero players over Ryan Kelly. A fair amount. Heck, several of Owens vid plays had zero over C. Might start zero, but then a stunt to G or C. 

 

"A" gap is LG/C hole and RG/C hole, and is considered middle. There is a such a thing middle. Just not straight over C.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • that’s simplifying something that is far from being simple…    if no one is putting pressure up front, professional receivers are going to get open regardless of the coverage… and the top qb’s are going to pick it apart. 
    • we risk losing Paye and company in the next year or two… Right? 
    • Thats easy. Having great coverage. If noone is open the rush will get there.    Or, I wish we blitzed more like Spaignola does as QB's are considerably less accurate under duress.    The best offenses have QB's that get rid of the ball quickly which negates to a degree the pass rush.  Scholars here are buzzing madly about pressures. Joey Bosa had a crazy number of pressures but how many resulted in incompletions? He had 2 more sacks than Kwity and played roughly 175 more snaps.  Detroit's Hutchinson, in their playoff loss, had no pressures, no sacks, and 1 tackle as I recall. And a heckuva player. Truth is you better have really good ability at both, including highly intelligent fast players in the back seven.
    • Any news on the attempted talks with Blackmon?   Worst case scenario:  we don't sign Blackmon, or any other safety FA, miss out on what few guys there are in this very non-deep safety draft, and wind up going into the season with Cross and Thomas as our best two guys.  Ewwww.
    • My follow up is about what you think is the most cost-efficient way to acquire the needed players to make the defense work as designed.    As to your point about risk, I guess... If you think specific DE prospects just aren't that good, that's one thing. I'm definitely against propping up a prospect just because he plays a position of perceived need. But I would think that if the Colts take a DE at #15, they see him as a potential game changing pass rusher, and the expectation is for him to exceed what the guys on the roster have shown so far. No one can know for sure, but that's the nature of the draft.   At corner, I just think that a fundamental reason why the Colts prefer their zone heavy scheme is because it's easier to find corners who can excel at zone coverage. So there's less of a premium on the position in this scheme, and that's by design. I also don't think the top 4-5 corners in this class fit Ballard's preferred profile. (Side point: This is not conventional thinking, but I think the order of importance in this defense is 3T, Edge, Will, FS, then CB. I think the objective is to take away big plays, funnel routes to the middle, and have rangy playmakers at Will and FS who can create turnovers. I'm not saying that's how I would build a defense, but I think that's the intention. Which also influences my thinking on Ballard's preferences in the draft.)    The scheme element doesn't necessarily apply at WR, but I think the value at WR favors taking one on Day 2, and I think Ballard's appetite for second round WRs is well established. I'd be open to drafting a WR at #15, but I don't think the Colts will do it.   So if I was an oddsmaker, I'd favor the Colts going DE or DT at #15, just based on how I think the top of the draft will fall, and the players available. I think most fans prefer corner or WR, mostly because of perceived need, but I don't see that happening. Nothing would shock me, though.
  • Members

×
×
  • Create New...