The Deep Ball???

[Shadow_Creek]

It's been 3 games and i really haven't seen Ryan trying to go deep at all . He did so last year many times with the Falcons and i wonder if Frank Doesn't trust our Wr group enough to let them fly. Even Pittman had many deep passes throw to him last year. Now you could say it's because the oline isn't giving him enough time for a deep pass however even with time to throw Ryan just seems to avoid going deep. I think the 30 yard pass to pierce yesterday was his longest past all season so far

[chad72]

2 words - Offensive Line. It has been offensive so far. I'd rather Frank get YAC with quick hitters till the OL gets cohesive and plays at a high level. Then the play action bombs can happen.

[lollygagger8]

One word.

 

 

Pinter. 

[shakedownstreet]

Free guys running up the middle?

[Indy87]

Late game the line protected better and you saw bigger throws. But the line in the middle has been atrocious. I don’t understand why Ryan doesn’t recognize a full out blitz tho. 

[Two_pound]

Yep, I think Ryan Kelly is the biggest problem on the offensive line. Way too many people are getting free runs at Matt, Kelly has to do a better job at calling out the protection.

[ProblChld32]

On 9/26/2022 at 9:43 AM, Two_pound said:

Yep, I think Ryan Kelly is the biggest problem on the offensive line. Way too many people are getting free runs at Matt, Kelly has to do a better job at calling out the protection.

You must not be watching, Pryor and Pinter if you think that Kelly is the biggest liability across the entire O Line.

[indyagent17]

On 9/26/2022 at 7:58 AM, shakedownstreet said:

Free guys running up the middle?

The worst part of this is the interior of our line should be our strength instead of becoming a weakness. 

[smittywerb]

Two things:

 

- offensive line does not allow Ryan the time to even throw a deep ball

 

- our receivers can’t get open.  Play action isn’t working because our receivers aren’t getting open which means the box is steadily stacked which means we can’t run well

 

i don’t like Reich playcalling, but this one isn’t on him.  It’s the personnel

[sb41champs]

1.  The offensive line has yet to "gel" as a unit.  Hopefully this happens sooner than later!!

 

2.  Pittman and Pierce seem to be the two that can get open down-the-field.  The other receivers and dink-and-dunk receivers - AT THIS POINT in the season.

 

Hoping BOTH improve this week.

[AKB]

fix our offensive line.

[ADnum1]

Romo exposing everything that was wrong with our offensive line was cathartic. 

 

I now understand 

[jbaron04]

On 9/26/2022 at 7:26 AM, Shadow_Creek said:

It's been 3 games and i really haven't seen Ryan trying to go deep at all . He did so last year many times with the Falcons and i wonder if Frank Doesn't trust our Wr group enough to let them fly. Even Pittman had many deep passes throw to him last year. Now you could say it's because the oline isn't giving him enough time for a deep pass however even with time to throw Ryan just seems to avoid going deep. I think the 30 yard pass to pierce yesterday was his longest past all season so far

U need time to go deep , we can’t even get a 3 step drop off 

[The Oopty Oop]

31 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

U need time to go deep , we can’t even get a 3 step drop off 

Our protection has been surprisingly terrible but I also haven’t seen any separation from anybody besides Pittman so far. Bad protection and minimal easy open throws I think has made Ryan force a lot of balls and has him rushing reads.

[EastStreet]

@Shadow_Creek meant to quote

 

 

We can throw more deep in early downs. 

Our OL isn't blitzed, stunted, or overpowered every down. 

 

If you've watched the O the last 4 years, you know we simply don't pass much deep.

Regardless of OL protection... 

 

And say the same every year.....

Our QBs have been good deep... just not to allow go deep lol...

 

Game one, 0/1 in deep passes (more 20 yards), late and down... 

Game two, 2/4 in deep passes - mostly late down big time, and D in prevent

Game three, 1/1 in deep passes - early (Pierce) in a 50/50. Rare aggressive call

 

Here's Ryan's relevant advanced stats (not sure updated with G3, but still.... )

 

• AY/A - #31 (translate, our O is super duper shallow passing, not allowed to go deep)...... Frank O..... Ryan never has been so low... He had a worse OL last year, and was average (#16ish)... 
• OL Protection Rate - #22 (he had #32 last year).... 
• Accuracy - #10
• Catchable pass rate - #3
• Deep ball completion % - #9
• Deep ball accuracy rating - #15
• Receiver separation - #8 (2.24)... soooooo much for the WRs/TEs can't get separation... 

 

In short.... Ryan is not bad (in general or deep). WR/TEs are not bad.... OL is not good, but better than he had last season. but scheme is super duper shallow.... He's never been this low (AY/A, or ADOT, not close..... )

 

 

[ChuggaBeer]

17 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

@Shadow_Creek meant to quote

 

 

We can throw more deep in early downs. 

Our OL isn't blitzed, stunted, or overpowered every down. 

 

If you've watched the O the last 4 years, you know we simply don't pass much deep.

Regardless of OL protection... 

 

And say the same every year.....

Our QBs have been good deep... just not to allow go deep lol...

 

Game one, 0/1 in deep passes (more 20 yards), late and down... 

Game two, 2/4 in deep passes - mostly late down big time, and D in prevent

Game three, 1/1 in deep passes - early (Pierce) in a 50/50. Rare aggressive call

 

Here's Ryan's relevant advanced stats (not sure updated with G3, but still.... )

 

• AY/A - #31 (translate, our O is super duper shallow passing, not allowed to go deep)...... Frank O..... Ryan never has been so low... He had a worse OL last year, and was average (#16ish)... 
• OL Protection Rate - #22 (he had #32 last year).... 
• Accuracy - #10
• Catchable pass rate - #3
• Deep ball completion % - #9
• Deep ball accuracy rating - #15
• Receiver separation - #8 (2.24)... soooooo much for the WRs/TEs can't get separation... 

 

In short.... Ryan is not bad (in general or deep). WR/TEs are not bad.... OL is not good, but better than he had last season. but scheme is super duper shallow.... He's never been this low (AY/A, or ADOT, not close..... )

 

 

Bud,  I appreciate your statistical input Seriously I do. One of the things I come on here to read 

 

BUT

 

Do you ever get to watch a game without a notepad?

 

Do you get to scream and pump your arms when JT busts a long one?   When the Colts score do you get to hug and kiss your wife while jumping up and down?

 

Do you get to fist/chest bump your kiddos as they scream for the Colts?

 

Do you get to have popcorn /nachos and cold beer while you watch?

 

Again I appreciate what you do here?   I just hope you can sit back and enjoy the ride!   Life is short!   

 

Live baby live! And enjoy the game!!!

[EastStreet]

9 minutes ago, ChuggaBeer said:

Bud,  I appreciate your statistical input Seriously I do. One of the things I come on here to read 

 

BUT

 

Do you ever get to watch a game without a notepad?

 

Do you get to scream and pump your arms when JT busts a long one?   When the Colts score do you get to hug and kiss your wife while jumping up and down?

 

Do you get to fist/chest bump your kiddos as they scream for the Colts?

 

Do you get to have popcorn /nachos and cold beer while you watch?

 

Again I appreciate what you do here?   I just hope you can sit back and enjoy the ride!   Life is short!   

 

Live baby live! And enjoy the game!!!

 

No notepad in live games.. lol...

I can "see" a lot, without a notebook. Lot's of fist pumps, high fives, and cussing.

 

I do re-watch a lot though, and more "notebook-ish"... re-watched tonight (NFL replay)... 

[ChuggaBeer]

2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

No notepad in live games.. lol...

I can "see" a lot, without a notebook. Lot's of fist pumps, high fives, and cussing.

 

I do re-watch a lot though, and more "notebook-ish"... re-watched tonight (NFL replay)... 

Good deal brother.  Embrace this season its going to be a shocker!!!!

[EastStreet]

1 minute ago, ChuggaBeer said:

Good deal brother.  Embrace this season its going to be a shocker!!!!

 

I love my teams. But will always be analytic. 20+ years in tech/eng business... Love Ws, hate Ls. And frustrated by bad play / coaching regardless W or L. 

[DougDew]

The last 5 years explained.....

 

2018:  Luck ginger shoulder first half of the year.

2019:  JB  really?

2020:  Rivers had no arm and no assets

2021:  Wentz had no assets and no protection

2022:  Ryan has no protection...few assets...and possibly no arm.   

 

Poor Frank.

[Nesjan3]

Please enlighten us all on how Ryan is suppose to throw the ball deep when the Oline is only allowing 2 seconds max for plays to develop.

[RollerColt]

51 minutes ago, DougDew said:

The last 5 years explained.....

 

2018:  Luck ginger shoulder first half of the year.

2019:  JB  really?

2020:  Rivers had no arm and no assets

2021:  Wentz had no assets and no protection

2022:  Ryan has no protection...few assets...and possibly no arm.   

 

Poor Frank.

Just imagine if Luck was healthy and able to have played in 2019... 

[John Waylon]

 

 Unless they start allowing him to get up from a sack and then throw it down the field this idea was dead on arrival. 

[Thunderbolt]

Interesting how the Oline is declining in every game this season.  Do we have the same offensive coordinator, not sure? If so, Reich needs to hold him accountable.

[John Waylon]

13 minutes ago, Thunderbolt said:

Interesting how the Oline is declining in every game this season.  Do we have the same offensive coordinator, not sure? If so, Reich needs to hold him accountable.

[sb41champs]

He's hit Michael Pittman Jr for some long gainers - but - no downfield "bombs".

 

Ryan can't be expected to hit the long ball if he's on the turf - OR - has opposing behemoths in his face.

 

 

[cptcomeback]

[King Colt]

22 hours ago, AustinnKaine said:

fix our offensive line.

Sounds familiar!

[Moosejawcolt]

On 9/27/2022 at 11:55 AM, ProblChld32 said:

You must not be watching, Pryor and Pinter if you think that Kelly is the biggest liability across the entire O Line.

 Those guys are coming free up the middle that's not on prior

[Maniac53]

On 9/26/2022 at 7:26 AM, Shadow_Creek said:

It's been 3 games and i really haven't seen Ryan trying to go deep at all . He did so last year many times with the Falcons and i wonder if Frank Doesn't trust our Wr group enough to let them fly. Even Pittman had many deep passes throw to him last year. Now you could say it's because the oline isn't giving him enough time for a deep pass however even with time to throw Ryan just seems to avoid going deep. I think the 30 yard pass to pierce yesterday was his longest past all season so far

Brother I want to see it too. OL line has been terrible and I really don't think Frank likes the deep ball plays.

 

OL can't run block like last year either. Where have they went?

 

If I trust a QB to throw the deep ball it will be Matty and if it does come down to a few games of making playoffs I trust Matty to get us there. It's still early but IMO not too early. Wish we could have gotten the 1st two wins of season especially division wins.

 

Never have hope on another team to help you whether it is a win or loss to get in the playoffs. If people do, that team doesn't deserve to be there. Team needs to set its own destination, just WIN!! 

[Indyfan4life]

How you gonna throw a deep ball when your QB is getting hit right after the snap?

[EastStreet]

2 hours ago, Indyfan4life said:

How you gonna throw a deep ball when your QB is getting hit right after the snap?

 

Throw deep early downs. 

When they are not stunting/blitzing. 

Our play selection is very predictable. 

[Indyfan4life]

12 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Throw deep early downs. 

When they are not stunting/blitzing. 

Our play selection is very predictable. 

When they are not stunting/blitzing. 
 

Oh okay. Why didn’t I think of that simple solution?

[EastStreet]

46 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

When they are not stunting/blitzing. 
 

Oh okay. Why didn’t I think of that simple solution?

 

The only deep toss we made last week (Pierce) was 1st and 10... and Ryan tossing from end zone (LOS was like 1ish)

 

 

[ProblChld32]

6 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

 Those guys are coming free up the middle that's not on prior

Pressure has been coming from all directions not just up the middle. Pinter plays directly to the right of Kelly. There is no such thing as coming up the middle unless Kelly is being completely run over. The center is usually engaged in a combo block a large majority of the time. Do your homework before you make erroneous statements.

[Moosejawcolt]

On 9/26/2022 at 5:26 AM, Shadow_Creek said:

It's been 3 games and i really haven't seen Ryan trying to go deep at all . He did so last year many times with the Falcons and i wonder if Frank Doesn't trust our Wr group enough to let them fly. Even Pittman had many deep passes throw to him last year. Now you could say it's because the oline isn't giving him enough time for a deep pass however even with time to throw Ryan just seems to avoid going deep. I think the 30 yard pass to pierce yesterday was his longest past all season so far

 

[EastStreet]

26 minutes ago, ProblChld32 said:

Pressure has been coming from all directions not just up the middle. Pinter plays directly to the right of Kelly. There is no such thing as coming up the middle unless Kelly is being completely run over. The center is usually engaged in a combo block a large majority of the time. Do your homework before you make erroneous statements.

 

Homework?

 

So... Not really (large majority). We see zero players over Ryan Kelly. A fair amount. Heck, several of Owens vid plays had zero over C. Might start zero, but then a stunt to G or C. 

 

"A" gap is LG/C hole and RG/C hole, and is considered middle. There is a such a thing middle. Just not straight over C.