Does This Team Have Talent?

[Hoofin it]

Lack of pass rush has bothered me for a few seasons now. Thought that was addressed this offseason. Where are the wide receivers? Ryan looked his age largely because the O line was just awful. 

[BlackTiger]

Chris like to pay guys that he drafted, we just have not hit at the right positions.

 

I still say they should have tried Nelson at LT last year.  May not be his preferred spot but the team needs it and he could make more money there and we wouldnt have so much tied up at LG.

 

it was risky going into the year with the WR room we have, we wont win much with MPJ out

[Indyfan4life]

Yes, there is talent on this team, but Frank and the other coaches are NOT using them correctly or scheming them right. It's maddening to see every other team being competitive, and we look like a high school team at best.

[DougDew]

21 minutes ago, Nickster said:

He is like Leonard and Nelson and Smith.  On Rookie contracts they were great assets.  If he gets paid elite money, he will no longer be a net positive.

Yep.  This is exactly the point.  Good players who were drafted high don't always translate into similar high contracts.  The dynamics of positional value don't change simply because they are one of yours.   

 

Remember, Nelson and Smith were drafted high because Ballard wanted to fix the Oline immediately because of Luck.  Fix it NOW.  That may have been a great goal at the time, but its a different strategy then what is the norm and a different situation than the present. 

 

Nelson and Smith should have been thought of as quick fixes.  It so happened that Ballard was able to rent them for 4/5 years.  Fine, then look at what needs to be added and realize that the cornerstones are still not in place, so why sign the guys that play positions that are usually filled by the "quick fix" method.  JT should be viewed the same way, IMO.

 

 

[Nickster]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

Yep.  This is exactly the point.  Good players who were drafted high don't always translate into similar high contracts.  The dynamics of positional value don't change simply because they are one of yours.   

 

Remember, Nelson and Smith were drafted high because Ballard wanted to fix the Oline immediately because of Luck.  NOW.  That may have been a great goal at the time, but its a different strategy then what is the norm and a different situation. 

 

Nelson and Smith should have been thought of as quick fixes.  It so happened that Ballard was able to rent them for 4/5 years.  Fine, then look at what needs to be added and realize that the cornerstones are still not in place, so why sign the guys that play positions that are usually filled by the "quick fix" method.  JT should be viewed the same way, IMO.

 

 

[luv_pony_express]

3 minutes ago, Myles said:

they do not have a head coach or play caller who can use the talent that this team has.

 

I agree that play-calling has been terrible.  I'll never understand why Reich doesn't just bite the bullet and delegate this.  At least TRY something different.  What we're doing isn't working.

 

But I also think that play-calling doesn't matter if you're getting consistently whipped up front.  It's nearly impossible to win a football game if you are losing the LOS.  Opposing QBs have plenty of time to do what they need.  Our QBs have no time to do anything.

 

The Jags felt safe in stacking the box yesterday to limit Taylor.  And it's not hard to see why they did.

[shasta519]

41 minutes ago, CoachLite said:

It's pretty hard to tell how much talent, or lack of, the Colts have. It would seem that the Colts have better talent than their current performance indicates. If you had an extremely talented team playing for a doofus coaching staff, you can see what might happen - not saying that's the case. We are currently seeing a trend in this country called "quiet quitting", people only doing the bare minimum at their jobs because they suffer under poor leadership. They've lost their spirit, motivation and determination.

 

I suspect this is the problem, and, yes, maybe this extends to the Colts front office, too (the McDaniels situation).

 

What to do about it? Just like mental health, there is a stigma about incompetence that needs to be overcome. Find something else to succeed at, and acknowledge that someone else can do better. This problem has all sorts of names - Dunning-Kruger, the Peter Principle, etc. The first step is to admit you have a problem!

 

I don't know about that. These guys worked their entire lives for this job and they get paid very well. This isn't situational, like a player who wants snaps, but doesn't get them and just puts in minimum effort.

 

It seems to be a team issue. And sure, coaching plays a role, but it seems more likely they aren't as good as many said. And many did say it...ALL offseason. Same thing happened late last year and they collapsed. 

 

I am never going to call an NFL player soft, but there has to be a flaw in their evaluation process.

[Smonroe]

3 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

 

I agree that play-calling has been terrible.  I'll never understand why Reich doesn't just bite the bullet and delegate this.  At least TRY something different.  What we're doing isn't working.

 

But I also think that play-calling doesn't matter if you're getting consistently whipped up front.  It's nearly impossible to win a football game if you are losing the LOS.  Opposing QBs have plenty of time to do what they need.  Our QBs have no time to do anything.

 

The Jags felt safe in stacking the box yesterday to limit Taylor.  And it's not hard to see why they did.

 

Pretty simple -  On Offense = you can't call 5 second plays if your Oline can only keep your QB upright for 2 seconds.

 

On defense - I have to believe the starting 4 has talent, but if the opposing team is calling 2 and 3 second plays it negates that talent.  So the D coordinator can't keep using the same scheme.

 

Frank - study the Jags plays, you might learn something.

Gus - this isn't the same NFL you saw 5 years ago.

 

 

[Rhodelesstraveled]

1 hour ago, BProland85 said:

Colts have talent at pass rush. They simply don’t have the coaches to prepare and game plan for them to be successfull. Buckner, Ngakoue, and Paye are all good players. I’ll grant you LT and WR though. 

This is how bad your takes are:  

You and 2006Coltsbestyear have to stop letting your beliefs lie to your eyes and brain.  This team is mediocre on the DL and OL.  Both lines are paid like they are elite.  That is where the problem begins.  I was at the game yesterday and the Jags DL ate our lunch and I will tell you Q got worked too yesterday.  Say what you want about the Jags, but they have talent on their DL.  they aren't world beaters but they can cause teams trouble.  Indy has no one that causes trouble.  

[luv_pony_express]

1 minute ago, Smonroe said:

 

Pretty simple -  On Offense = you can't call 5 second plays if your Oline can only keep your QB upright for 2 seconds.

 

On defense - I have to believe the starting 4 has talent, but if the opposing team is calling 2 and 3 second plays it negates that talent.  So the D coordinator can't keep using the same scheme.

 

Frank - study the Jags plays, you might learn something.

Gus - this isn't the same NFL you saw 5 years ago.

 

 

 

I do agree that Bradley has some adjustments to make -- obviously.  But, from what I've seen, it hasn't mattered what the opposing offenses were running.  We weren't getting much pressure from the front 4 on dropbacks regardless.  For his defense to work, that simply can't be the case.

 

You just wonder if he has to move forward treating any pressure we do get from the front 4 to be a bonus, rather than an expectation.  I just don't see that they're up to it.  I'm starting to understand why Ngakoue has bounced around so much.  There just isn't much there.  And Kwity is starting to look like a bust.

[shasta519]

9 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

Chris like to pay guys that he drafted, we just have not hit at the right positions.

 

I still say they should have tried Nelson at LT last year.  May not be his preferred spot but the team needs it and he could make more money there and we wouldnt have so much tied up at LG.

 

it was risky going into the year with the WR room we have, we wont win much with MPJ out

 

Ballard also prefers to fill roster holes with draft picks. And that carries big risk because draft picks are unknowns.

 

Instead of having to compete with proven vets for snaps, these players are drafted into open roster spots...and get immediate snaps by default.

 

People will point to PFF graphs of how Colts draft picks have produced so much WAR in recent seasons. But that makes sense...because you can't accumulate WAR without playing.

 

I have noticed with other teams, that many draft picks are treated as depth while they develop. That's not really the case here. Pierce was the de facto WR2 the moment he was drafted. Woods and Ogletree were supposed to solidify the TE room. When you rely on draft picks like that, there can be huge downside.

 

 

[shasta519]

4 minutes ago, Rhodelesstraveled said:

This is how bad your takes are:  

You and 2006Coltsbestyear have to stop letting your beliefs lie to your eyes and brain.  This team is mediocre on the DL and OL.  Both lines are paid like they are elite.  That is where the problem begins.  I was at the game yesterday and the Jags DL ate our lunch and I will tell you Q got worked too yesterday.  Say what you want about the Jags, but they have talent on their DL.  they aren't world beaters but they can cause teams trouble.  Indy has no one that causes trouble.  

 

That is just really sad. They have invested a #52, #49, #13, #21, #54 and basically a #34 (RYS trade for Ngakoue) into that DL. 

 

Different coaching staff too, so can't really blame it on Flus anymore.

[Smonroe]

5 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

 

I do agree that Bradley has some adjustments to make -- obviously.  But, from what I've seen, it hasn't mattered what the opposing offenses were running.  We weren't getting much pressure from the front 4 on dropbacks regardless.  For his defense to work, that simply can't be the case.

 

You just wonder if he has to move forward treating any pressure we do get from the front 4 to be a bonus, rather than an expectation.  I just don't see that they're up to it.  I'm starting to understand why Ngakoue has bounced around so much.  There just isn't much there.  And Kwity is starting to look like a bust.

 

I agree with the bolded part.  But the Jags were getting the ball out so quick, I don't know if the D line could have gotten to him in any case.  Normally I'll watch the game again to look for things like that, but this is the second Jags game in a row where I couldn't bear to re-watch, lol.

 

Not going to go there about either DE being busts or even being average yet.  Need to give them a little more time.

[RollerColt]

23 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Yep.  This is exactly the point.  Good players who were drafted high don't always translate into similar high contracts.  The dynamics of positional value don't change simply because they are one of yours.   

 

Remember, Nelson and Smith were drafted high because Ballard wanted to fix the Oline immediately because of Luck.  Fix it NOW.  That may have been a great goal at the time, but its a different strategy then what is the norm and a different situation than the present. 

 

Nelson and Smith should have been thought of as quick fixes.  It so happened that Ballard was able to rent them for 4/5 years.  Fine, then look at what needs to be added and realize that the cornerstones are still not in place, so why sign the guys that play positions that are usually filled by the "quick fix" method.  JT should be viewed the same way, IMO.

 

 

Let me ask you this in all seriousness: 

 

We go a few weeks down the road. We're sitting at a lovely record of 0-4-1. What should we do? Do we pull a Dolphins and start shipping guys out for picks? Do we stay the course for the rest of the season with what we have and deal with it come January 2023? I'm pretty much at a loss right now. 

 

You've mentioned in other posts how it's difficult to completely change a roster and it's true. I don't see the roster issues being fixed in 2023 or the year after... 

[luv_pony_express]

3 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

I agree with the bolded part.  But the Jags were getting the ball out so quick, I don't know if the D line could have gotten to him in any case.  Normally I'll watch the game again to look for things like that, but this is the second Jags game in a row where I couldn't bear to re-watch, lol.

 

Not going to go there about either DE being busts or even being average yet.  Need to give them a little more time.

 

They certainly ran their share of quick-outs.  But they weren't all that way.  What I'm saying is that it didn't matter, either way.  We pressured him on 3 of 30 dropbacks (10%).  That's an utterly dreadful number.  When you combine that impotence with our pass protection on the other side of the ball, you can predict the outcome a game 95% of the time.

 

People are focusing on Ryan, the receivers, the DBs, etc.  I'm not saying there's nothing there.  But I am saying that if you're getting whipped that bad up front, there's not much any other position groups can do to make up for it.  You are almost certainly going to lose.

 

I hope you turn out to be right about Kwity and Dayo.  But it really doesn't look good at this point.  And I'm even more disappointed in Ngokue.  He was supposed to give us an instant boost on pass rush.  So far, he's been invisible.

[Myles]

32 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

 

I agree that play-calling has been terrible.  I'll never understand why Reich doesn't just bite the bullet and delegate this.  At least TRY something different.  What we're doing isn't working.

 

But I also think that play-calling doesn't matter if you're getting consistently whipped up front.  It's nearly impossible to win a football game if you are losing the LOS.  Opposing QBs have plenty of time to do what they need.  Our QBs have no time to do anything.

 

The Jags felt safe in stacking the box yesterday to limit Taylor.  And it's not hard to see why they did.

While I agree, I will also add that perhaps Reich could game plan and play call to alleviate the burdens on the lines some.  Using Hines in more packages and even Taylor in less obvious plays.   

[DougDew]

3 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Let me ask you this in all seriousness: 

 

We go a few weeks down the road. We're sitting at a lovely record of 0-4-1. What should we do? Do we pull a Dolphins and start shipping guys out for picks? Do we stay the course for the rest of the season with what we have and deal with it come January 2023? I'm pretty much at a loss right now. 

 

You've mentioned in other posts how it's difficult to completely change a roster and it's true. I don't see the roster issues being fixed in 2023 or the year after... 

Stay the course.  In part because we're stuck with contracts.  Maybe shop JT and Kelly.  Other teams make trades when they don't have to add salary to the cap.  I think JT, Kelly, and Pitt are the only two players really tradeable.  No other player is tradeable because of their cap allocation, and we no longer have space to eat a deal.  I don't think that a draft pick for JT is going to matter.  I'd  keep Pittman because he's a WR.  I don't think Defo is tradeable.

 

The offseason and an increasing NFL cap might make other players more attractive.  Have to see the situation then.

 

The players who get paid have to play up to it.  Like any other team, when they don't, the team loses plus has cap problems.  Maybe a coaching change will help.  Maybe Raimann shows up great by the end of the year and solves the LT vacancy.  

[Myles]

22 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

That is just really sad. They have invested a #52, #49, #13, #21, #54 and basically a #34 (RYS trade for Ngakoue) into that DL. 

 

Different coaching staff too, so can't really blame it on Flus anymore.

Same head coach still.  

[luv_pony_express]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Stay the course.  In part because we're stuck with contracts.  Maybe shop JT and Kelly.  Other teams make trades when they don't have to add salary to the cap.  I think JT, Kelly, and Pitt are the only two players really tradeable.  No other player is tradeable because of their cap allocation, and we no longer have space to eat a deal.  I don't think that a draft pick for JT is going to matter.  I'd  keep Pittman because he's a WR.  I don't think Defo is tradeable.

 

The offseason and an increasing NFL cap might make other players more attractive.  Have to see the situation then.

 

The players who get paid have to play up to it.  Like any other team, when they don't, the team loses plus has cap problems.  Maybe a coaching change will help.  Maybe Raimann shows up great by the end of the year and solves the LT vacancy.  

 

I could certainly see shopping Kelly.  At this point, unless something changes, we're either stuck with Smith or stuck with a big chunk of his cap.

 

It would be a huge, huge bonus if Raimann could get to the point where he's ready to man the LT.  But that's probably too much to ask in the near term.  If there's no premium to playing Pryor in the short-term, may as well stick Raimann out there so he'll get the reps.  The more reps he gets, the better he'll get.  It can't be much worse than what Pryor is giving us.

 

I don't know why in the hell the team would consider trading Taylor right now.

[DougDew]

Just now, luv_pony_express said:

 

I could certainly see shopping Kelly.  At this point, unless something changes, we're either stuck with Smith or stuck with a big chunk of his cap.

 

It would be a huge, huge bonus if Raimann could get to the point where he's ready to man the LT.  But that's probably too much to ask in the near term.  If there's no premium to playing Pryor in the short-term, may as well stick Raimann out there so he'll get the reps.  The more reps he gets, the better he'll get.  It can't be much worse than what Pryor is giving us.

 

I don't know why in the hell the team would consider trading Taylor right now.

If you are in rebuild mode, then he becomes just a RB but not the main focus of the O.  In that case, I would trade JT for a first round pick.

[#12.]

They have talent.  You saw it for the majority of 2021. The slow starts every year, the in game and late season collapses?  That's coaching, not talent.  

 

For whatever reason,, Reich simply isn't getting the talent to perform for 4 quarters and 16-17 games.

 

That said, if you take away 2 of your best 3-4 players, as happened yesterday, things will look different, and in general things are crazy with Jacksonville.  I thought the Colts looked outmatched yesterday, but sure enough Jax will go back to being the Jags in the coming weeks.

[luv_pony_express]

Just now, DougDew said:

If you are in rebuild mode, then he becomes just a RB but not the main focus of the O.  In that case, I would trade JT for a first round pick.

I guess, if we're in "tear it all down and start over" mode.

 

I'm just not sure that's where we are.  We need to fix the OL and DL.  I don't have great ideas how to do that in the near term.  But, if we can, then I don't think there's any reason to go scorched earth.

[DougDew]

35 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

 

I do agree that Bradley has some adjustments to make -- obviously.  But, from what I've seen, it hasn't mattered what the opposing offenses were running.  We weren't getting much pressure from the front 4 on dropbacks regardless.  For his defense to work, that simply can't be the case.

 

You just wonder if he has to move forward treating any pressure we do get from the front 4 to be a bonus, rather than an expectation.  I just don't see that they're up to it.  I'm starting to understand why Ngakoue has bounced around so much.  There just isn't much there.  And Kwity is starting to look like a bust.

Maybe a quick release by Lawrence contributed to the pass rush stat....not caused but contributed.  Its my understanding that Gus D requires the LBs to cover the flat.  And that won't be Leonard because he's been moved to MIKE.

 

Who were the LBers  covering the flats yesterday?  Oke?  What is his historical PFF?

 

[luv_pony_express]

3 minutes ago, #12. said:

They have talent.  You saw it for the majority of 2021. The slow starts every year, the in game and late season collapses?  That's coaching, not talent.  

 

For whatever reason,, Reich simply isn't getting the talent to perform for 4 quarters and 16-17 games.

 

That said, if you take away 2 of your best 3-4 players, as happened yesterday, things will look different, and in general things are crazy with Jacksonville.  I thought the Colts looked outmatched yesterday, but sure enough Jax will go back to being the Jags in the coming weeks.

 

I do think that having Leonard on D could've made some difference on that side of the ball.  But I don't think having Pittman or Pierce would've made much difference offensively.  We can't protect a 37YO limited-mobility quarterback.  We could've had Jerry Rice and Randy Moss at wideout with Peyton Manning under center yesterday -- all of them at their primes.  They'd all have been made to look bad, too.  We're getting no pass protection.  The rest is academic.

[DougDew]

3 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

I guess, if we're in "tear it all down and start over" mode.

 

I'm just not sure that's where we are.  We need to fix the OL and DL.  I don't have great ideas how to do that in the near term.  But, if we can, then I don't think there's any reason to go scorched earth.

I agree.  The easiest thing to do is to fire coaches and cut players.  It might feel good, but the hard part is finding replacement for them. 

 

 May as well keep what we have while we look for that LT, Flanker, EDGE, and QB.   Maybe blow something up as much as you need to get a QB this draft.

 

Just realize the expectations in the mean time.

[shasta519]

17 minutes ago, Myles said:

Same head coach still.  

 

Yeah. But Flus left and Baker was fired.

 

Enter Gus Bradley, who is a former HC and long-tenured DC. And he hand-picked Nate Ollie, who was a DL coach the past few years. Plus, they brought in John Fox too.

 

At some point, it is about more than coaching.

[Smonroe]

11 minutes ago, #12. said:

They have talent.  You saw it for the majority of 2021. The slow starts every year, the in game and late season collapses?  That's coaching, not talent.  

 

For whatever reason,, Reich simply isn't getting the talent to perform for 4 quarters and 16-17 games.

 

That said, if you take away 2 of your best 3-4 players, as happened yesterday, things will look different, and in general things are crazy with Jacksonville.  I thought the Colts looked outmatched yesterday, but sure enough Jax will go back to being the Jags in the coming weeks.

 

IDK, It looks like they finally have a coach who knows what he's doing.  

[shasta519]

12 minutes ago, #12. said:

They have talent.  You saw it for the majority of 2021. The slow starts every year, the in game and late season collapses?  That's coaching, not talent.  

 

For whatever reason,, Reich simply isn't getting the talent to perform for 4 quarters and 16-17 games.

 

That said, if you take away 2 of your best 3-4 players, as happened yesterday, things will look different, and in general things are crazy with Jacksonville.  I thought the Colts looked outmatched yesterday, but sure enough Jax will go back to being the Jags in the coming weeks.

 

But the supposed gap between IND and JAC was definitely larger than a WR1 and a WILL. Even with them out there, I don't think that team wins Sunday.

[luv_pony_express]

2 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

But the supposed gap between IND and JAC was definitely larger than a WR1 and a WILL. Even with them out there, I don't think that team wins Sunday.

Me neither.  The game was lost in the trenches.  In fact, it was as lopsided in the trenches as the score suggests.  WR1 has nothing to do with those trenches and MIKE is only an adjunct.

 

Do I think we missed those two?  Yes, I do.  Do I think they'd have changed the outcome.  No, I don't -- because we're not counting on either of them to protect our QB or to pressure the opposing QB.

[richard pallo]

56 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

 

I do agree that Bradley has some adjustments to make -- obviously.  But, from what I've seen, it hasn't mattered what the opposing offenses were running.  We weren't getting much pressure from the front 4 on dropbacks regardless.  For his defense to work, that simply can't be the case.

 

You just wonder if he has to move forward treating any pressure we do get from the front 4 to be a bonus, rather than an expectation.  I just don't see that they're up to it.  I'm starting to understand why Ngakoue has bounced around so much.  There just isn't much there.  And Kwity is starting to look like a bust.

Bradley can start by putting Rodgers on the field.  Zero snaps again.  Really.

[luv_pony_express]

9 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Bradley can start by putting Rodgers on the field.  Zero snaps again.  Really.

I agree that this is inexplicable.  But I don't think it was our major failing on defense.

 

We got pressure on just 3 out of 30 Lawrence dropbacks.  If I was Gus Bradley, I'd probably be strongly reconsidering my aversion to blitzing right about now.  We'll lose most games if that's all the pressure we're getting from the front 4.

[Patrick Miller]

Tbh I’m really thinking about putting the colts on the back burner as far as allocating my time. This team is a mess and it looks like we’re set up for yet another disappointing year. I’m Tired of being disappointed. Things probably won’t change until we get a new head coach or perhaps even a new GM or both. I put a lot of the blame on Frank. He just isn’t a good head coach……but the lack of overall talent has to be put on Ballard‘s head.  Our oline sucks….d line can’t get any pressure….. And our wide receiver suck besides Pittman. Then we have an aging Matt Ryan who I think may be done. I have a feeling we are going to go on a losing streak. We may be looking at a very high draft pick next year.
 

[ColtsGermany]

I think our team has talent at certain positions and probably more talent than the Falcons, a team that was viewed as one of the weakest, if not the weakest team this season. 

 

The point here is, as I watched a little bit more than the usual Highlights of the Falcons vs Rams: The Falcons played with some passion. They lost, for sure.... But they put up a fight! Something that I haven't seen yesterday's from the colts. That is what concerns me the most. Uninspiried football. 

I blame that on Reich and the coaching staff. 

Reich seems not to be an emotional leader nor does his play calling make up for the lack thereof the last 4 games. (Not only) 

I think he should be gone sooner than later. 

[DiogoSales]

Hold on here...

 

We have talent, but we knew LT, TE, WR and OL backups would be a problem and we decide to roll the dice.

 

But for me big problem is attitude, the last good (not great) team we had was P. Rivers led and the guy is attitude walking..

 

Also that "mean" OL coach would be really welcomed now huh?

 

Between Reich, Marcus Brady, Gus and a bunch of others there's nobody to hold this guys accountable..

 

 

[Solid84]

1 hour ago, RollerColt said:

Let me ask you this in all seriousness: 

 

We go a few weeks down the road. We're sitting at a lovely record of 0-4-1. What should we do? Do we pull a Dolphins and start shipping guys out for picks? Do we stay the course for the rest of the season with what we have and deal with it come January 2023? I'm pretty much at a loss right now. 

 

You've mentioned in other posts how it's difficult to completely change a roster and it's true. I don't see the roster issues being fixed in 2023 or the year after... 

This current rebuild is quickly turning into… another rebuild! Hurraaay….

[RollerColt]

Just now, Solid84 said:

This current rebuild is quickly turning into… another rebuild! Hurraaay….

 

Time to celebrate!

[coming on strong]

There’s also me truth in here Leonard is amazing but doesn’t have the same impact a defensive end will have on a game . Could of traded him before his contract for a 1 st  and started speed 

[DougDew]

1 hour ago, shasta519 said:

 

Yeah. But Flus left and Baker was fired.

 

Enter Gus Bradley, who is a former HC and long-tenured DC. And he hand-picked Nate Ollie, who was a DL coach the past few years. Plus, they brought in John Fox too.

 

At some point, it is about more than coaching.

Coaches are hired and fired in the NFL.  They get hired because of previous success, and fired because of failures.  Both the successes and the failures are highly dependent upon the personnel.  Look at Pedersen.  He won a SB, but then he was the problem.  Now he beat us 24-0 and looked pretty good against WAS.

[MPStack]

10 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

This current rebuild is quickly turning into… another rebuild! Hurraaay….

[Coltsfan98]

Outside of a handful of players this team is just a bunch of jags. They've been overrated for awhile. Irsay needs to blow it up and can Ballard and the coaching staff and start over with a whole new crew. If not we are going to be mediocre for a long time.