Training Camp Day 14-August 18th Joint practice with Lions

[Nickster]

2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Barbecue, beers, and Mac n Cheese tonight . Off work tonight. I see no reason why we can't be in the Final 4. I have more faith in Matt than some do though, Taylor is a clone of Emmitt Smith but is faster than E.

Come on dude Emmitt Smith uhh no.  Emmitt was a real lateral movement guy and not particularly fast or explosive.  He was a wiggle guy, spin moves, huge lateral cuts.  This is not a criticism Of Taylor but the only worse comparison might be Barry Sanders.

 

Taylor is more of a Tony Dorset or Dickerson type.  Down hill fast and explosive.

[Nickster]

2 hours ago, csmopar said:

I’ll say this. If the Colts make the AFCCG AND win it…. I’ll buy you lunch.  Mark it down, 

 

2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I didn't say we would win it but said we would make it. For making it I at least deserve a Cheese Burger with the trimmings  .

 

4 hours ago, Superman said:

 

 

Yeah, he's dead wrong. He caught the ball, took 4 steps, went down in the end zone, and the play was over. Then he let the ball go on purpose.

 

Also a great example of tracking the ball over his shoulder to make the catch.

 

Campbell having catch issues is not a thing that exists in the real world.

Supe his scouting reports in college listed his hands as perhaps his biggest weakness.  That and routes.

https://www.talkdraft.net/post/2019/02/23/parris-campbell-scouting-report

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019pcampbell.php

 

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 hours ago, Nickster said:

Come on dude Emmitt Smith uhh no.  Emmitt was a real lateral movement guy and not particularly fast or explosive.  He was a wiggle guy, spin moves, huge lateral cuts.  This is not a criticism Of Taylor but the only worse comparison might be Barry Sanders.

 

Taylor is more of a Tony Dorset or Dickerson type.  Down hill fast and explosive.

Emmitt was better than all of those guys IMO. Taylor has that in him. 

[Solid84]

6 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I have been wrong many times I will admit it, I also guaranteed we would beat the Pats and got into it with a Pats fan in here - I was right there.

 

I didn't think Wentz would collapse like he did, he made me look bad. I always thought Wentz was above average so we could win the easy one's with him, it bit me. When we signed Rivers I said we would go 11-5 and make the playoffs so I nailed that one and was never worried with Rivers so give me some love there - many was calling him noodle arm. Sometimes I nail it, sometimes I don't. I love our 2022 on paper especially if Maniac is healthy. Matt Ryan is just a different breed, if I am wrong here I will be shocked because he is a Hall of Famer and a Top 25 QB ever.

I was skeptical about Rivers, but ended up really loving what he brought to the team. 
 

And yes you do have hits. 
 

Like I said, it’s not that it can’t happen - I think the team is better than last year, but saying there are no reasons for us not to be in the final 4 is just wrong. 
 

We have a new QB (even if he is a true pro). 
We have 2 new Oline starters, both of who were backups last year. 
We running a new-ish defensive scheme. 
We have a mostly unproven WR unit. 
 

There’s plenty that can go wrong. 

[BeanDiasucci]

8 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Emmitt was better than all of those guys IMO. Taylor has that in him. 

Debatable on whether Emmitt Smith (career 81.2 rushing yards per game, 4.2 per carry) was better than Eric Dickerson (career 90.8 rushing yards per game, 4.4 per carry). Smith played longer than Dickerson and was extremely consistent - a run of 11 straight 1,000 yard seasons and a high of 1773 yards. Dickerson was perhaps more spectacular during his best seasons with highs of 2105 yards (5.6 yards per carry!), 1821 and 1808. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[Solid84]

38 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

 

He seems to really dive into it. It was the same last year during an interview about the playbook (IIRC?). He’s really into the details. He just studies - the game and everything related. It’s easy to see why Reich and Ballard love him. 

[#12.]

43 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

He seems to really dive into it. It was the same last year during an interview about the playbook (IIRC?). He’s really into the details. He just studies - the game and everything related. It’s easy to see why Reich and Ballard love him. 

 

Depending upon how he plays in the final two, they might have to put him on the 53.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 hours ago, BeanDiasucci said:

Debatable on whether Emmitt Smith (career 81.2 rushing yards per game, 4.2 per carry) was better than Eric Dickerson (career 90.8 rushing yards per game, 4.4 per carry). Smith played longer than Dickerson and was extremely consistent - a run of 11 straight 1,000 yard seasons and a high of 1773 yards. Dickerson was perhaps more spectacular during his best seasons with highs of 2105 yards (5.6 yards per carry!), 1821 and 1808. 

Dickerson is in my top 5:

 

1. Jim Brown

2. Emmitt Smith

3. Walter Payton

4. Barry Sanders

5. Eric is here IMO, He put us on the map too and was spectacular with the Rams. Some can dice this list and say Emmitt had a great Line, that Barry was better blah blah. I get it, but Barry quit like Andrew here so it is what it is. I have Walt a hair better than Barry, JMO.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

The entire WR debate is getting out of control. Now I have seen it all. People want to trade one of our all pro oline man for a proven WR. I guess they want to see Ryan killed. The oline depth is already thin. That would not be a smart move.

[TaylorStillTruckedYou]

19 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

The entire WR debate is getting out of control. Now I have seen it all. People want to trade one of our all pro oline man for a proven WR. I guess they want to see Ryan killed. The oline depth is already thin. That would not be a smart move.

Yea our oline is looking rough.  Honestly contemplated if we should trade a draft pick for someone.  The starting group is at bare minimum sustainable but god forbid if one goes down

[2006Coltsbestever]

38 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

The entire WR debate is getting out of control. Now I have seen it all. People want to trade one of our all pro oline man for a proven WR. I guess they want to see Ryan killed. The oline depth is already thin. That would not be a smart move.

[Indyfan4life]

31 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

When were they ever around here?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[throwing BBZ]

2 hours ago, TaylorStillTruckedYou said:

Yea our oline is looking rough.  Honestly contemplated if we should trade a draft pick for someone.  The starting group is at bare minimum sustainable but god forbid if one goes down

 

   I would think anyone added from now to final cuts would be expected to be our swing tackle or G/C backup on game day.

 And i have no doubt CB WOULD use a draft pick for that level of talent.

 I'll wager they feel pretty good abour Fries as the g/c backup, but the swing tackle confidence level.... ?

 Raimann is going to get a lot of snaps the next few weeks for sure. lol

[w87r]

3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Dickerson is in my top 5:

 

1. Jim Brown

2. Emmitt Smith

3. Walter Payton

4. Barry Sanders

5. Eric is here IMO, He put us on the map too and was spectacular with the Rams. Some can dice this list and say Emmitt had a great Line, that Barry was better blah blah. I get it, but Barry quit like Andrew here so it is what it is. I have Walt a hair better than Barry, JMO.

If Barry(153 games) quit like Andrew(86 games), didn't Jim Brown(118 games) then as well

Hell Barry played 10yrs until he 30, (25 more regular season games than Brown) Brown played 9 and retired when he was 29.

 

 

Not one of your better post. Rank them however you want, but to compare Barry to quitting like Andrew is way off line. Even more so when you use that as an argument as to why Barry isn't the best, when the guy you have as the best "quit" early too.(earlier)

[JediXMan]

He really dropped kicked the ball lol.

[TaylorStillTruckedYou]

1 hour ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

   I would think anyone added from now to final cuts would be expected to be our swing tackle or G/C backup on game day.

 And i have no doubt CB WOULD use a draft pick for that level of talent.

 I'll wager they feel pretty good abour Fries as the g/c backup, but the swing tackle confidence level.... ?

 Raimann is going to get a lot of snaps the next few weeks for sure. lol

I like Fries as well, and Raimann is going to have his hands full for sure.  Looking back we probably should have kept Glowinski, and allowed him to compete.  I’m thinking when Kelly comes back, it may bolster the depth talent just a little which would be nice

[Nickster]

55 minutes ago, w87r said:

If Barry(153 games) quit like Andrew(86 games), didn't Jim Brown(118 games) then as well

Hell Barry played 10yrs until he 30, (25 more regular season games than Brown) Brown played 9 and retired when he was 29.

 

 

Not one of your better post. Rank them however you want, but to compare Barry to quitting like Andrew is way off line. Even more so when you use that as an argument as to why Barry isn't the best, when the guy you have as the best "quit" early too.(earlier)

that one tends to just be more of a feeler than a reasoner I think.  to each his own.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

36 minutes ago, JediXMan said:

He really dropped kicked the ball lol.

Lol Zaire 

 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

12 minutes ago, TaylorStillTruckedYou said:

I like Fries as well, and Raimann is going to have his hands full for sure.  Looking back we probably should have kept Glowinski, and allowed him to compete.  I’m thinking when Kelly comes back, it may bolster the depth talent just a little which would be nice

Would of been better off keeping glow and keeping him at RG and letting Pinter stay at backup center. Our depth is not good right now. Pinter is better built for center.

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, Nickster said:

that one tends to just be more of a feeler than a reasoner I think.  to each his own.

Yeah not a big deal either way. Like I said, rank them however you want. Didn't even say I disagreed with the rankings, although I do. Taking Barry Sanders over all if them.

 

Comparing Barry's retirement to Luck's isn't even remotely close. Almost doubled him up in regular season games played.

 

Luck was about to be entering his prime, Sanders was at the back end of amazing career. Could of played couple more maybe, but that's about it.

 

Luck had another 10-12 years out in front of him.

[OLD FAN MAN]

On 8/18/2022 at 3:24 PM, shasta519 said:

 

Dropped a big pass from Wentz in that JAC game as well. It wasn't an easy catch, but one that you would hope a starting WR could make.

ballard has dropped the ball on getting us elite receiver talent

[OLD FAN MAN]

1 hour ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Would of been better off keeping glow and keeping him at RG and letting Pinter stay at backup center. Our depth is not good right now. Pinter is better built for center.

our o-line will not be good after ballard let reed and glow leave

[Moosejawcolt]

19 hours ago, Nickster said:

Come on dude Emmitt Smith uhh no.  Emmitt was a real lateral movement guy and not particularly fast or explosive.  He was a wiggle guy, spin moves, huge lateral cuts.  This is not a criticism Of Taylor but the only worse comparison might be Barry Sanders.

 

Taylor is more of a Tony Dorset or Dickerson type.  Down hill fast and explosive.

Let's be clear bout Smith  was he great...hmmm? I guess,but I think he goes down as one of thr most over rated backs ever. He came out as a 2nd rounder with not a lot of hype. He played behind arguably the greatest Oline in history. From what I have seen from Taylor. He is a better back when u look at it bases purely on talent. Of course Smith had longevity. My stance about Smith is that if he would have went to a mediocre tram, I doubt he makes the hall of fame. Guys like Peyton, Jackson, Peterson, Simpson are pure talents.

[Nickster]

1 minute ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Let's be clear bout Smith  was he great...hmmm? I guess,but I think he goes down as one of thr most over rated backs ever. He came out as a 2nd rounder with not a lot of hype. He played behind arguably the greatest Oline in history. From what I have seen from Taylor. He is a better back when u look at it bases purely on talent. Of course Smith had longevity. My stance about Smith is that if he would have went to a mediocre tram, I doubt he makes the hall of fame. Guys like Peyton, Jackson, Peterson, Simpson are pure talents.

 I thought dude was talking about running style using the word clone.  Very different types of runners imo.  
 

not talking about production. 

[NewColtsFan]

24 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Let's be clear bout Smith  was he great...hmmm? I guess,but I think he goes down as one of thr most over rated backs ever. He came out as a 2nd rounder with not a lot of hype. He played behind arguably the greatest Oline in history. From what I have seen from Taylor. He is a better back when u look at it bases purely on talent. Of course Smith had longevity. My stance about Smith is that if he would have went to a mediocre tram, I doubt he makes the hall of fame. Guys like Peyton, Jackson, Peterson, Simpson are pure talents.

Emmitt Smith was not a 2nd rounder.   Drafted in the FIRST round.   There was plenty of hype about him.  He wasn’t some unknown.   He played at Florida.  But some if the hype was bad.   Like not fast enough.  
 

So he fell to Dallas.   Turns out, he was plenty fast enough. 

[cdgacoltsfan]

32 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Emmitt Smith was not a 2nd rounder.   Drafted in the FIRST round.   There was plenty of hype about him.  He wasn’t some unknown.   He played at Florida.  But some if the hype was bad.   Like not fast enough.  
 

So he fell to Dallas.   Turns out, he was plenty fast enough. 

I'm actually starting to like you. You shoot back with facts to the misinformed. Not sure your efforts do any good though.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

I'm actually starting to like you. You shoot back with facts to the misinformed. Not sure your efforts do any good though.

The feeling is mutual.   I hope you take it as it’s intended — as a compliment — and not an insult!    
 

As for my efforts….  I hear you! 
 

All I can do is try…..     

[Nickster]

5 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Emmitt Smith was not a 2nd rounder.   Drafted in the FIRST round.   There was plenty of hype about him.  He wasn’t some unknown.   He played at Florida.  But some if the hype was bad.   Like not fast enough.  
 

So he fell to Dallas.   Turns out, he was plenty fast enough. 

I was living in Pensacola with my aunt when Emmitt was at Escambia HS.  He was a major major recruit.  17th pick 

[Moosejawcolt]

6 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Emmitt Smith was not a 2nd rounder.   Drafted in the FIRST round.   There was plenty of hype about him.  He wasn’t some unknown.   He played at Florida.  But some if the hype was bad.   Like not fast enough.  
 

So he fell to Dallas.   Turns out, he was plenty fast enough. 

My bad. U r right about the round he emwas drafted 

[Moosejawcolt]

6 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Emmitt Smith was not a 2nd rounder.   Drafted in the FIRST round.   There was plenty of hype about him.  He wasn’t some unknown.   He played at Florida.  But some if the hype was bad.   Like not fast enough.  
 

So he fell to Dallas.   Turns out, he was plenty fast enough. 

 17th  pick in the 1st round was high. However  back then elite rbs were seen as top 10 if not to 5 picks. If he would have been seen as a blue chip hall of fame rb prospect, he would  have been a top 5 player. Not hating on Smith, I  just think he was drafted the right team. Hes drafted to the Lions and I am not sure we remember his name. To me he is not in the same class of Barry, OJ, Peterson, Jackson and I could go on. Football has changed and the value of rbs has plummeted.

[NewColtsFan]

6 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

 17th  pick in the 1st round was high. However  back then elite rbs were seen as top 10 if not to 5 picks. If he would have been seen as a blue chip hall of fame rb prospect, he would  have been a top 5 player. Not hating on Smith, I  just think he was drafted the right team. Hes drafted to the Lions and I am not sure we remember his name. To me he is not in the same class of Barry, OJ, Peterson, Jackson and I could go on. Football has changed and the value of rbs has plummeted.

You and I can respectfully disagree about whether Smith would’ve still been a Hall of Famer had he been drafted by another team.    I think much more highly of him than you do. 

[Moosejawcolt]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

You and I can respectfully disagree about whether Smith would’ve still been a Hall of Famer had he been drafted by another team.    I think much more highly of him than you do. 

Not saying I don't like him. I would pick many backs before him if u gave me a team and said I could pick any rb to start uour team from history . He had the stats, I just think that Oline was so loaded. He would run for 5 yards before getting touched. My God what would Sanders,Jackson, Payton, Peterson and Riggins would have done behind that line?

[BeanDiasucci]

21 hours ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

 

This dude may surprise people over his career. I hope we don't lose him to another team this season. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

19 hours ago, w87r said:

If Barry(153 games) quit like Andrew(86 games), didn't Jim Brown(118 games) then as well

Hell Barry played 10yrs until he 30, (25 more regular season games than Brown) Brown played 9 and retired when he was 29.

 

 

Not one of your better post. Rank them however you want, but to compare Barry to quitting like Andrew is way off line. Even more so when you use that as an argument as to why Barry isn't the best, when the guy you have as the best "quit" early too.(earlier)

Barry was just 1 year older than Andrew and Jim Brown when he retired. He was still in his prime. Jim Brown was 29 and so was Andrew. All 3 of those guy retired early - I mean you are complaining about my post because Barry was 1 year older, kind of nit picky don't you think? Jim Brown is the GOAT because he set the tone for all the RB's I mentioned. Emmitt has the stats and rings and Emmitt played 15 years leaving his heart on the field. I would take Emmitt all day over Barry, he was just simply tougher and was just as great without having hear the athletic ability Barry had. Barry was faster and more elusive and Emmitt was still better, JMO.

 

Emmitt had the intangibles and you can't teach vision, vision wise Emmitt was the GOAT.

[2006Coltsbestever]

17 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Let's be clear bout Smith  was he great...hmmm? I guess,but I think he goes down as one of thr most over rated backs ever. He came out as a 2nd rounder with not a lot of hype. He played behind arguably the greatest Oline in history. From what I have seen from Taylor. He is a better back when u look at it bases purely on talent. Of course Smith had longevity. My stance about Smith is that if he would have went to a mediocre tram, I doubt he makes the hall of fame. Guys like Peyton, Jackson, Peterson, Simpson are pure talents.

You get better and better as the years go on 

[2006Coltsbestever]

10 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

 17th  pick in the 1st round was high. However  back then elite rbs were seen as top 10 if not to 5 picks. If he would have been seen as a blue chip hall of fame rb prospect, he would  have been a top 5 player. Not hating on Smith, I  just think he was drafted the right team. Hes drafted to the Lions and I am not sure we remember his name. To me he is not in the same class of Barry, OJ, Peterson, Jackson and I could go on. Football has changed and the value of rbs has plummeted.

Emmitt dropped in the draft because he had a knee injury and many GM's were scared to take him because of that. Jimmy Johnson knew what he was doing and jumped on that draft pick at #17.

[krunk]

Will be really nice if Strachan has improved and grown

[richard pallo]

18 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

ballard has dropped the ball on getting us elite receiver talent

I still think there is time for Pittman to get there.  Pierce as well of course.  Ballard is a smart GM.  I’m sure he will bring in a veteran WR before the season is too far along.