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53 minutes ago, ColtsGermany said:

Nice, a German player.

Hope he develops well and stays with the Colts for a long time. 

How big is American football in Germany? Is the local league well attended or very niche? 

 

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1 hour ago, ColtsGermany said:

Nice, a German player.

Hope he develops well and stays with the Colts for a long time. 

I hope so, too. But, I can't help but think of Bjorn Werner who turned out to be a colossal bust for the Colts. I understand the difference between Dabo and Werner who was the Colts # 1 pick. The more I think about it, Dabo probably has a better chance of making it in the NFL than Werner did.

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44 minutes ago, Hammer said:

I hope so, too. But, I can't help but think of Bjorn Werner who turned out to be a colossal bust for the Colts. I understand the difference between Dabo and Werner who was the Colts # 1 pick. The more I think about it, Dabo probably has a better chance of making it in the NFL than Werner did.

Werner was a bust. (but his biography is pretty good, just read it) 

1 hour ago, stitches said:

How big is American football in Germany? Is the local league well attended or very niche? 

 

American Football is rising quickly. 

Lots of NFL fans as well. The Munich game this year will be sold out in hours. 

The games of our local/ National league is not so well attended in comparison to soccer. But it's getting more n more. 

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4 hours ago, Hammer said:

I hope so, too. But, I can't help but think of Bjorn Werner who turned out to be a colossal bust for the Colts. I understand the difference between Dabo and Werner who was the Colts # 1 pick. The more I think about it, Dabo probably has a better chance of making it in the NFL than Werner did.

I cant help but wonder if Grigson put much into the RAS the way Ballard does? Grigson seemed more like he was from that old NFL way of doing things from the 1990s and before. His comnents on Woerner stated that college sacks usually translate to pro sacks. Didnt seem like he went to far into the athletic testing to see how elite of an athlete he was. I bet his scores werent something Ballard would accept. Woerner always seemed like his athleticism was sub par along with his strength.

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15 hours ago, ColtsGermany said:

Nice, a German player.

Hope he develops well and stays with the Colts for a long time. 

 Hopefully he lasts longer than our last german 1st round DE bust, Bjoern Werner.

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10 hours ago, krunk said:

I cant help but wonder if Grigson put much into the RAS the way Ballard does? Grigson seemed more like he was from that old NFL way of doing things from the 1990s and before. His comnents on Woerner stated that college sacks usually translate to pro sacks. Didnt seem like he went to far into the athletic testing to see how elite of an athlete he was. I bet his scores werent something Ballard would accept. Woerner always seemed like his athleticism was sub par along with his strength.

Bjorn Werner scored a 5.66 RAS with sub 34" arms and middle of the pack 3-Cone and 20 yard shuttle times (aka mediocre agility).....so yeah, he would not likely have been drafted by this Front Office.

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Everything that I’ve heard sounds like he was far and away the best player from the IPP this year. He couldn’t have asked for a better CB room to learn from, while also getting a CB room he could easily break into. 
From what I’ve seen, I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s successful here.

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On 5/4/2022 at 7:15 AM, krunk said:

I cant help but wonder if Grigson put much into the RAS the way Ballard does? Grigson seemed more like he was from that old NFL way of doing things from the 1990s and before. His comnents on Woerner stated that college sacks usually translate to pro sacks. Didnt seem like he went to far into the athletic testing to see how elite of an athlete he was. I bet his scores werent something Ballard would accept. Woerner always seemed like his athleticism was sub par along with his strength.

(Former GM who shall not be named) failed in a lot of ways, but his worst failure was to fall in love with his draft picks and trades. I think he felt it was a personal insult if his picks or trades failed, so he gave them chance after chance and insisted they play. Polian, on the other hand, made his picks, but once they were in uniform, it was every man for himself. That's why we had guys like Brackett and Saturday succeed when some guys who were higher-end draft picks did not. RAS is just another way to hedge your bets. Some of these guys will fail, but you hope the roster will be stronger overall.

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On 5/4/2022 at 6:49 PM, Smonroe said:

Ich bin ein Berliner!

 

Anyone?  History?

 

Played CB and was a returner for Stuttgart. Made their all star team. Likely projected as a safety though in the NFL. 

Some say he runs 4.4s but also saw he ran a 4.52. Either way, adequate. 

 

Will be interesting to follow. Not expecting a lot, but seems like a nice prospect that's free from a roster spot perspective (PS exemption). 

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There were rumors a while back re: the NFL discussing expansion to 40 teams.  It made me think at the time, and I still do, that the desire is to stand up a division in Europe and still have options for high pop cities in the US or maybe Mexico.

 

Mexico of course is easy to implement with having them play in a southern division.  But the income via Mexico city would be significant I think they would just need to ensure they have the right owner with the resources to stand it up right from stadium to facilities.

 

And now that I'm on a roll I realize I'm thread hijacking here.  So re: Dabo I am intrigued as you cannot have enough cover options and having one of these guys means your roster size is bigger than that of some other teams.  I'll take that advantage hope he's ready to work.

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On 5/4/2022 at 8:26 AM, Jackie Daytona said:

So now it's legal in Indiana and SC?

Not everything YET.   Fingers crossed though   Might have to change my name if it happens.  Maybe tokeabowl  or chewagum.   I'm open to suggestions 

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On 5/8/2022 at 7:19 PM, Boondoggle said:

There were rumors a while back re: the NFL discussing expansion to 40 teams.  It made me think at the time, and I still do, that the desire is to stand up a division in Europe and still have options for high pop cities in the US or maybe Mexico.

 

Mexico of course is easy to implement with having them play in a southern division.  But the income via Mexico city would be significant I think they would just need to ensure they have the right owner with the resources to stand it up right from stadium to facilities.

 

And now that I'm on a roll I realize I'm thread hijacking here.  So re: Dabo I am intrigued as you cannot have enough cover options and having one of these guys means your roster size is bigger than that of some other teams.  I'll take that advantage hope he's ready to work.

I would always worry about a cartel influence in a team in Mexico

 

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3 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

I would always worry about a cartel influence in a team in Mexico

 

 

I'm still waiting for Vegas to influence the game.  We know that there have been entertainers who've lost so much gambling that they end up working for the casinos.  

 

It's also always a debate whether the refs change the game on purpose.  Maybe to keep it close or to ensure the spot is met.

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22 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

I would always worry about a cartel influence in a team in Mexico

 

Mexico City would be a high risk and high reward type of venture for sure. The cartels would definitely want a piece of the action and since they basically run the government it's very risky. Would hate to see a situation like the 94 World Cup when Pablo had Andreas Escobar killed for a on field mistake. They would have to be very diligent in the search for the right owner. Dude would have to be a Mother Teresa pretty much to resist money that the cartels throw around. That counts me out I guess. lmao

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On 5/4/2022 at 7:15 AM, krunk said:

I cant help but wonder if Grigson put much into the RAS the way Ballard does? Grigson seemed more like he was from that old NFL way of doing things from the 1990s and before. His comnents on Woerner stated that college sacks usually translate to pro sacks. Didnt seem like he went to far into the athletic testing to see how elite of an athlete he was. I bet his scores werent something Ballard would accept. Woerner always seemed like his athleticism was sub par along with his strength.

It's tough to say.   It's not like the Colts picked him with a top 5 pick, it was pick 24.   Still did not turn out well, but he was the NCAA 2012 Defensive Player of the year.  He had 42 tackles, 30 solo stops, 18 tackles for loss and 13 sacks.  

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4 hours ago, Smonroe said:

 

I'm still waiting for Vegas to influence the game.  We know that there have been entertainers who've lost so much gambling that they end up working for the casinos.  

 

It's also always a debate whether the refs change the game on purpose.  Maybe to keep it close or to ensure the spot is met.


Dont you think if the refs were told to try to influence games to keep in line with the odds that by now someone, ANYONE would have come forward with the revelation?    Has anyone come forward?   Not to my knowledge?    
 

Think of the money they could make with writing a book and then it becomes a movie!   That guy would be RICH!   And yet no one has said a word.    Just saying….. 

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On 5/4/2022 at 4:15 AM, krunk said:

I cant help but wonder if Grigson put much into the RAS the way Ballard does? Grigson seemed more like he was from that old NFL way of doing things from the 1990s and before. His comnents on Woerner stated that college sacks usually translate to pro sacks. Didnt seem like he went to far into the athletic testing to see how elite of an athlete he was. I bet his scores werent something Ballard would accept. Woerner always seemed like his athleticism was sub par along with his strength.


Was the RAS even around when Grigson was our GM?    Honest question, because I don’t know.    But I don’t remember it then, seems very much in the last 5 years where it has exploded in popularity….

 

Anyone know the history on RAS? 
 

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30 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:


Was the RAS even around when Grigson was our GM?    Honest question, because I don’t know.    But I don’t remember it then, seems very much in the last 5 years where it has exploded in popularity….

 

Anyone know the history on RAS? 
 

Good point although in not sure. I bet stitch would know

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30 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:


Was the RAS even around when Grigson was our GM?    Honest question, because I don’t know.    But I don’t remember it then, seems very much in the last 5 years where it has exploded in popularity….

 

Anyone know the history on RAS? 
 

 

T.J Green was a RAS darling if I remember correctly

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42 minutes ago, Myles said:

It's tough to say.   It's not like the Colts picked him with a top 5 pick, it was pick 24.   Still did not turn out well, but he was the NCAA 2012 Defensive Player of the year.  He had 42 tackles, 30 solo stops, 18 tackles for loss and 13 sacks.  

Somebody else in this thread posted Werner RAS and the athletic scores were poor. If that was accurate im not surprised.

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4 hours ago, indyagent17 said:

I would always worry about a cartel influence in a team in Mexico

 

I would as well.  But there are sharks in every country, some just wear suits and do their dirty business above board.

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On 5/4/2022 at 2:15 PM, krunk said:

I cant help but wonder if Grigson put much into the RAS the way Ballard does? Grigson seemed more like he was from that old NFL way of doing things from the 1990s and before. His comnents on Woerner stated that college sacks usually translate to pro sacks. Didnt seem like he went to far into the athletic testing to see how elite of an athlete he was. I bet his scores werent something Ballard would accept. Woerner always seemed like his athleticism was sub par along with his strength.

 

He wasn't as much into athleticism as Ballard is. You can check all of Grigson's picks' RAS scores here:

https://ras.football/

 

For example, only 8 of the Grigson picks had RAS of over 9.0. Ballard had 8(out 8) over 9.0 just this year. 

 

Ballard has has drafted only 3 players with RAS under 5.0 and one of them was Leonard(4.99), because he got hurt while testing. The second one was Eason(QB) and the third one was Zach Banner. Grigson had 9 players drafted under 5 RAS. 

 

46 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:


Was the RAS even around when Grigson was our GM?    Honest question, because I don’t know.    But I don’t remember it then, seems very much in the last 5 years where it has exploded in popularity….

 

Anyone know the history on RAS? 
 

I think you are right. No idea when Kent started it, but it has become more popular in the last 4-5 years. The good thing is... once you have your formula you can run it on players from previous drafts and fill out the database with players even from years before RAS was developed(and it has been done already).

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44 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:


Dont you think if the refs were told to try to influence games to keep in line with the odds that by now someone, ANYONE would have come forward with the revelation?    Has anyone come forward?   Not to my knowledge?    
 

Think of the money they could make with writing a book and then it becomes a movie!   That guy would be RICH!   And yet no one has said a word.    Just saying….. 

 

Have you never seen a mob movie?  They'd only need one guy who owes them a 'favor', and who fears for himself and his family if he doesn't pay off his debt.

 

You think he's going to write a book?  Have you read about the barrels that are floating up in Lake Mead?

 

Again, I'm not a conspiracy guy.  I'm just saying it can be done without anyone knowing about it.

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On 5/4/2022 at 2:32 AM, Hammer said:

I hope so, too. But, I can't help but think of Bjorn Werner who turned out to be a colossal bust for the Colts. I understand the difference between Dabo and Werner who was the Colts # 1 pick. The more I think about it, Dabo probably has a better chance of making it in the NFL than Werner did.

It's not a stretch to think he could make the team based on special teams skills alone.

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