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1 minute ago, bluebombers87 said:

Both players had to deal with that weather. Wentz played better.

 

And the SF defense gets way more pressure consistently than ours.

 

And you can’t discount our terrible Oline pass pro just because it ruins your argument.

Im not discounting it but just look at wins and losses. Look at where Jimmy G and the 49ers have made it to and look where we are. Their defense and weapons are not that much better, Yes they get more pressure but points allowed are almost exactly the same. So your saying pass protection is the sole reason Jimmy gets wins and Carson does not when the chips are down?

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For Frank Reich’s system a quick release, just hitting the open guy and taking the layups for YAC occasionally is all that’s needed because we don’t feature a true No.1

 

Jimmy G fits it to a tee. 

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2 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Im not discounting it but just look at wins and losses. Look at where Jimmy G and the 49ers have made it to and look where we are. Their defense and weapons are not that much better, Yes they get more pressure but points allowed are almost exactly the same. So your saying pass protection is the sole reason Jimmy gets wins and Carson does not when the chips are down?

Nope I’m saying the defense is significantly better as a result of the pressures.

 

Also JG has better weapons. Once teams realized JT and occasionally Pittman were it, it was much easier. 
 

SF has Kittle and Deebo. Plus Aiyuk is pretty good too.

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2 minutes ago, chad72 said:

For Frank Reich’s system a quick release, just hitting the open guy and taking the layups for YAC occasionally is all that’s needed because we don’t feature a true No.1

 

Jimmy G fits it to a tee. 


 

don’t say that, Reich and Wentz lovers will tell you it’s because we have a bad ol and need the best.  
 

mind you, most of us have been complaining about wentz not hitting those layups and Reich not using what we have to do so

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The Niners defense that is carrying the team, how often does their offense score 30 or more points? They've got a great TE (Kittle) & WR (Samuel) and they still end up in a bunch of low scoring, defensive battles. You give most quarterbacks that TE & WR combo, (and Travis Benjamin to run deep routes) and they would probably put up nearly 40 points a game.

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11 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Im not discounting it but just look at wins and losses. Look at where Jimmy G and the 49ers have made it to and look where we are. Their defense and weapons are not that much better, Yes they get more pressure but points allowed are almost exactly the same. So your saying pass protection is the sole reason Jimmy gets wins and Carson does not when the chips are down?

Lol. If you think colts weapons or defense is close I got land to sell you.

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1 minute ago, bluebombers87 said:

Nope I’m saying the defense is significantly better as a result of the pressures.

 

Also JG has better weapons. Once teams realized JT and occasionally Pittman were it, it was much easier. 
 

SF has Kittle and Deebo. Plus Aiyuk is pretty good too.

The most important stat is points allowed. Pressure or not they allow the same amount of points. Points for and against and wins and losses are the most important stats.

 

We have Pittman and Taylor, they have Kittle and Deebo. We have Hines, who doesn't get used, they have Ayuik. They have good pass pro, we have an elite run blocking oline.

 

Im telling you there is not much difference between us and them besides a quarterback who can get the job done when the pressure is on and things matter. Wentz folds, Jimmy G rallies his team and they win.

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3 minutes ago, Lancer1 said:

The Niners defense that is carrying the team, how often does their offense score 30 or more points? They've got a great TE (Kittle) & WR (Samuel) and they still end up in a bunch of low scoring, defensive battles. You give most quarterbacks that TE & WR combo, (and Travis Benjamin to run deep routes) and they would probably put up nearly 40 points a game.

They don’t. Then add that whoever trades for Jimmy will probably have to extend him. Colts aren’t doing that. 

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4 minutes ago, smittywerb said:


yes he did, but that doesn’t mean THAT Wayne was as good as chase and Higgins.  

Yeah 106 catches 1355 yards and 5 TDs is better than Higgins, prime Reggie had better stats than Chase

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11 minutes ago, smittywerb said:


 

don’t say that, Reich and Wentz lovers will tell you it’s because we have a bad ol and need the best.  
 

mind you, most of us have been complaining about wentz not hitting those layups and Reich not using what we have to do so


We don’t have Kyle Shanahan or Jimmy G, both of whom are upgrades over what we have

 

But their young WRS Aiyuk and Jennings better than any of our 3rd WR, plus we. don’t have a Kittle. I don’t think the 49ers team is as devoid on pass catchers talent like some make it to be. So yes, Frank and Wentz need to do a better job but we also need better pass catching talent.

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3 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Lol. If you think colts weapons or defense is close I got land to sell you.

Just look at points allowed in the last 2 years. They have Kittle and Deebo, we have Taylor and Pittman. Whats the difference maybe a little not much thats for sure. Why cant people just face it that we got robbed by Philly, Wentz sucks, we have a good roster with a crap QB lol. Its not complicated.

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2 minutes ago, runthepost said:

Yeah 106 catches 1355 yards and 5 TDs is better than Higgins, prime Reggie had better stats than Chase


we’re not talking about prime Reggie.  We’re talking about the Reggie luck had.  That Reggie wasn’t bad but if you’re telling me that you’d take Ty and Reggie over chase and Higgins then you must have blue colored shades on

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13 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Burrow is doing than Luck with a bad oline


its because he has the weapons and his offense doesn’t call for him to hold the ball.  With all of that said, burrow was still the most sacked and hit qb in the league  

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15 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

 

It was a drowning rain storm, plus teams change as the season progresses week 7 in ancient history.

Doesn't matter. In the rain storm, in SF, Jimmy was bad, Wentz was good. Sure it's ancient history, but we saw what both QBs were capable of..... And Jimmy had stinkers the last two games of the regular season. 2 INTs in both. The team bailed him out though... Not saying Wentz is great. But Jimmy isn't either. Jimmy just has a much better team around him in every way.... 

15 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

 

Also in terms of points allowed our defense was only slightly worse then SF the last 2 seasons. They have 2 weapons, maybe 3 if you count Ayuik.

Our D stinks. Outside of turnovers, they weren't good at much this year. And most of that was driven by Leonard. We gave up the most passing TDs. Our pass rush sucked. We took another step back in rush D too.

 

SF has two of the better young WRs in the league. They would have more yards with a better QB. Kittle is no slouch either. Jennings is coming on nicely as well in year 2. Regardless, they have one guy at 1400+ and 2 more at 800+.... That's pretty darn good. 

15 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

 

Yes you can use the Oline stat to try and bail out Wentz again but I promise you Wentz doesn't have the winning "it" factor Jimmy has. You act as if the rest of the team everyone but Jimmy is winning games and going to the NFC Championship game, maybe to the SB twice in the last 3 years.

 

He is for sure a part of the equation. When things are on the line and matter he wins, Wentz does not. That goes back to his Philly days as well.

Sorry, but OL matters. Jimmy is high % short passer. That's good enough to win a lot of games if you have a good OL, good D, and good weapons. Things don't work near as well with a bad OL, without weapons, and without a good D.... Jimmy has everything around him, and every advantage over Wentz. Again, not saying Wentz is great... 

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1 minute ago, Nesjan3 said:

Just look at points allowed in the last 2 years. They have Kittle and Deebo, we have Taylor and Pittman. Whats the difference maybe a little not much thats for sure. Why cant people just face it that we got robbed by Philly, Wentz sucks, we have a got roster with a crap QB lol. Its not complicated.

I don't see it that way, let's see how Carson does with a full offseason, his 2nd year in our system with whatever tools Ballard can add this offseason and if he still struggles next season (let's face it, he played decent all year and the entire team nosedived at the end, not just Wentz) then I might buy that he isn't the answer for this team. 

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5 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Just look at points allowed in the last 2 years. They have Kittle and Deebo, we have Taylor and Pittman. Whats the difference maybe a little not much thats for sure. Why cant people just face it that we got robbed by Philly, Wentz sucks, we have a good roster with a crap QB lol. Its not complicated.

I have said we would use Taylor like Deebo. Colts don’t have a TE. This defense of SF is carrying them.  SF has pass rushers and defense that close out games too.

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Theres going to be a lot people eating crow when

A- Wentz is not on the roster come March and we save 10 mil cutting him or

B- He does next year what he has done 5 out of 6 seasons he has been in the league which is underwhelm and fold in the big moments. 

 

We have a pretty good roster that should have been in the playoffs. Quarterback play is the reason we were not. Thats all I have to say lol.

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6 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Doesn't matter. In the rain storm, in SF, Jimmy was bad, Wentz was good. Sure it's ancient history, but we saw what both QBs were capable of..... And Jimmy had stinkers the last two games of the regular season. 2 INTs in both. The team bailed him out though... Not saying Wentz is great. But Jimmy isn't either. Jimmy just has a much better team around him in every way.... 

Our D stinks. Outside of turnovers, they weren't good at much this year. And most of that was driven by Leonard. We gave up the most passing TDs. Our pass rush sucked. We took another step back in rush D too.

 

SF has two of the better young WRs in the league. They would have more yards with a better QB. Kittle is no slouch either. Jennings is coming on nicely as well in year 2. Regardless, they have one guy at 1400+ and 2 more at 800+.... That's pretty darn good. 

Sorry, but OL matters. Jimmy is high % short passer. That's good enough to win a lot of games if you have a good OL, good D, and good weapons. Things don't work near as well with a bad OL, without weapons, and without a good D.... Jimmy has everything around him, and every advantage over Wentz. Again, not saying Wentz is great... 

Excellent points, specifically on our defense.

 

We gave Trevor Lawrence a career best game.

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Just now, Nesjan3 said:

Theres going to be a lot people eating crow when

A- Wentz is not on the roster come March and we save 10 mil cutting him or

B- He does next year what he has done 5 out of 6 seasons he has been in the league which is underwhelm and fold in the big moments. 

 

We have a pretty good roster that should have been in the playoffs. Quarterback play is the reason we were not. Thats all I have to say lol.

Who hurt you? Was it Wentz?

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2 minutes ago, bluebombers87 said:

Excellent points, specifically on our defense.

I'm highly intrigued about what our new DC might bring, but also a bit worried lol....

Giving up the most passing TDs in the league is just bad. That paired with little pass rush is just horrible. 

Thank god for Leonard. It would have been much uglier had we not had all those peanut punches. He was a one man wrecking crew this year. Even more astonishing given he was gimpy most of the year. 

2 minutes ago, bluebombers87 said:

 

We gave Trevor Lawrence a career best game.

Yup, and he was the worst rated QB in the league coming into that game... 

Totally inexcusable. But Minshew did the same against us too. Not like it was the first time lol.

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Just now, EastStreet said:

I'm highly intrigued about what our new DC might bring, but also a bit worried lol....

Giving up the most passing TDs in the league is just bad. That paired with little pass rush is just horrible. 

Thank god for Leonard. It would have been much uglier had we not had all those peanut punches. He was a one man wrecking crew this year. Even more astonishing given he was gimpy most of the year. 

Yup, and he was the worst rated QB in the league coming into that game... 

Totally inexcusable. But Minshew did the same against us too. Not like it was the first time lol.

One can hope we get a pass rusher. Although we could scheme with what we have I suppose. But we do need some help on secondary. Solid backups if nothing else.

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10 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Theres going to be a lot people eating crow when

A- Wentz is not on the roster come March and we save 10 mil cutting him or

B- He does next year what he has done 5 out of 6 seasons he has been in the league which is underwhelm and fold in the big moments. 

 

We have a pretty good roster that should have been in the playoffs. Quarterback play is the reason we were not. Thats all I have to say lol.

If either of those scenarios play out that way, I'll eat a hearty helping of crow.

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