Conference Championship Games, Jan. 30, 2022 Discussion thread

[Nesjan3]

lol Jimmy's Win Loss record is insane given the amount of hate he gets for being mediocre

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

That isn't good. If SF loses him that is us like losing Taylor.

[runthepost]

That’s a textbook hit stick

[chad72]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

That isn't good. If SF loses him that is us like losing Taylor.

Clean hit though like Earl Thomas once hit Gronk

[Lancer1]

Jimmy G sure got his best receiver blown up there, and it was a clean hit which is why the refs picked up the flag.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, runthepost said:

That’s a textbook hit stick

That is the way they played in the 80's. Deebo got stuck!

Jimmy G to Kittle, 1st down.

[chad72]

If I’m a DC, I’d choke the middle vs Jimmy and force him to throw outside the numbers

[2006Coltsbestever]

Jimmy G is great at the short pass. another dime!

[2006Coltsbestever]

10-7 SF at half, expected. Typical Jimmy football. Deebo looks fine. Gould is automatic.

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4 minutes ago, chad72 said:

If I’m a DC, I’d choke the middle vs Jimmy and force him to throw outside the numbers

Seems to me he should be easy to defend. Take away the middle and screen passes.  But no one even tries.

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, chad72 said:

it came on the heels of a completion to Aiyuk. Williams got badly beat on that previous completion. And they had to roll help towards Williams and left Ramsey on an island versus Mike Evans for the same reason in the previous game because Williams was not getting his job done in man coverage.

 

It is not just that one play, QBs are seeking out where Williams is being lined up.

 

Ramsey should be on an island a lot lol...

 

Not saying Williams is elite. He's decent though. 49ers have 3 great pass catching options, so anyone not named Ramsey is going to struggle IMO.

 

Also, we have 2 of the better offensive HCs in the league. A lot of creativity, even within some obvious limitations (like Jimmy G). Mix that in with 2 great OLs, several great weapons (skill players), and even great Ds (both are very good) will struggle in places. I'm sure Shannahan has Williams' name circled simply because his name isn't Ramsey lol... 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Seems to me he should be easy to defend. Take away the middle and screen passes.  But no one even tries.

 , he gets rid of the ball so quick you can't defend it, that is the key. It is simple football 101, he is smart and knows how to win.

[Nesjan3]

Yea the people that say Wentz is as good as Jimmy G are dreaming lol. He may not have a ton of elite traits but does all the right things and just seems to be able to make the plays in the clutch when they matter. The guy is 31-15, and 4-1 in the playoffs with the 49ers. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Nesjan3 said:

Yea the people that say Wentz is as good as Jimmy G are dreaming lol. He may not have a ton of elite traits but does all the right things and just seems to be able to make the plays in the clutch when they matter. The guy is 31-15, and 4-1 in the playoffs. 

I know, SF about to wipe their feet on a loaded Rams team.

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4 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Yea the people that say Wentz is as good as Jimmy G are dreaming lol. He may not have a ton of elite traits but does all the right things and just seems to be able to make the plays in the clutch when they matter. The guy is 31-15, and 4-1 in the playoffs with the 49ers. 

Reich and Ballard have stressed since the season ended need to pass the ball. Jimmy is not it. Lol. Colts don’t have SF defense. He would get ate up in the AFC.

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3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I know, SF about to wipe their feet on a loaded Rams team.

Colts don’t have that defense. Nfc isn’t loaded with all these young QB either.

[Nesjan3]

1 minute ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Reich and Ballard have stressed since the season ended need to pass the ball. Jimmy is not it. Lol. Colts don’t have SF defense. He would get ate up in the AFC.

Im not saying he is the answer for us, im saying he is way better than Wentz

[SR711]

1 minute ago, Nesjan3 said:

Yea the people that say Wentz is as good as Jimmy G are dreaming lol. He may not have a ton of elite traits but does all the right things and just seems to be able to make the plays in the clutch when they matter. The guy is 31-15, and 4-1 in the playoffs with the 49ers. 

I would agree. He is been really good at being decisive and on time with throws especially in critical situations.

 

Bottom line he makes good decisions and complements what they do defensively well.

 

Also, 49ers defense (especially pass rush with front 4) is a level above anything we have put out during the Ballard era.

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1 minute ago, Nesjan3 said:

Im not saying he is the answer for us, im saying he is way better than Wentz

He does some things better. That doesn’t make him better. 

[EastStreet]

22 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

lol Jimmy's Win Loss record is insane given the amount of hate he gets for being mediocre

 

He's still pretty limited. Top 5 OL, good weapons, good D. 

KS does a pretty good job of setting him up for success. 

[Nesjan3]

1 minute ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

He does some things better. That doesn’t make him better. 

He wins, that makes him better

[Chrisaaron1023]

Wow... Which team is the more underdog? 49ers or Bengals?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

With all the young QB in the AFC he would get slathered.  He gets away with it in the NFC.

[EastStreet]

2 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Im not saying he is the answer for us, im saying he is way better than Wentz

Take away Jimmy's weapons, his D, and his top 5 OL, and put him behind the 3rd worst pass pro OL with a D that lets mediocre QBs look like pro bowlers... It's just a great comp.

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1 minute ago, Nesjan3 said:

He wins, that makes him better

The  defense is why they win. You will be lucky to put up 30 pts with him. That isn’t winning in the AFC.

[Lancer1]

Garoppolo is living dangerously, just chucking it to avoid sacks but one of those may turn into a disaster!

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There is a reason they don’t throw it much beyond 5 yards.

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

He wins, that makes him better

Are you forgetting about week 7 this season?

[Nesjan3]

3 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

With all the young QB in the AFC he would get slathered.  He gets away with it in the NFC.

I would say Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, are easily comparable to Mahomes, Allen, Burrow. Just older, more experienced.

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I don’t think Ballard and Reich are interested in getting a limited QB that barely throws past 5 yards who is injured all the time. He will probably get traded to some awful team and you will see how limited he really is. 

[Lancer1]

8 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Im not saying he is the answer for us, im saying he is way better than Wentz

I don't know, Wentz beat him at home with some great throws in a bad weather game.

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1 minute ago, Lancer1 said:

I don't know, Wentz beat him at home with some great throws in a bad weather game.

I take Wentz any day if he can just get those lows a lot less.

[Nesjan3]

3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Take away Jimmy's weapons, his D, and his top 5 OL, and put him behind the 3rd worst pass pro OL with a D that lets mediocre QBs look like pro bowlers... It's just a great comp.

 

1 minute ago, EastStreet said:

Are you forgetting about week 7 this season?

It was a drowning rain storm, plus teams change as the season progresses week 7 in ancient history.

 

Also in terms of points allowed our defense was only slightly worse then SF the last 2 seasons. They have 2 weapons, maybe 3 if you count Ayuik.

 

Yes you can use the Oline stat to try and bail out Wentz again but I promise you Wentz doesn't have the winning "it" factor Jimmy has. You act as if the rest of the team everyone but Jimmy is winning games and going to the NFC Championship game, maybe to the SB twice in the last 3 years.

 

He is for sure a part of the equation. When things are on the line and matter he wins, Wentz does not. That goes back to his Philly days as well.

[chad72]

49ers D is a chippy and borderline dirty bunch, I feel like. Too many shots after the whistle but it gets into the Rams players heads and they retaliate. The 49ers D also is not afraid to put pressure on refs to call penalties.

 

I remember Jeff Fisher getting tired of Rodney Harrison’s cheap or late shots. So his TE crack blocked Harrison and he went on IR for the rest of the season. Peyton hadn’t beaten Patriots with Rodney Harrison playing for a full 60 minutes. So it worked out in our 2006 AFCCG. 
 

That is why refs need to take control of the games

[2006Coltsbestever]

[Gramz]

The year of the Tiger.

Yup.

Bengals 

 

Calling it now.

 

[bluebombers87]

6 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

 

It was a drowning rain storm, plus teams change as the season progresses week 7 in ancient history.

 

Also in terms of points allowed our defense was only slightly worse then SF the last 2 seasons. They have 2 weapons, maybe 3 if you count Ayuik.

 

Yes you can use the Oline stat to try and bail out Wentz again but I promise you Wentz doesn't have the winning "it" factor Jimmy has. You act as if the rest of the team everyone but Jimmy is winning games and going to the NFC Championship game, maybe to the SB twice in the last 3 years.

 

He is for sure a part of the equation. When things are on the line and matter he wins, Wentz does not. That goes back to his Philly days as well.

Both players had to deal with that weather. Wentz played better.

 

And the SF defense gets way more pressure consistently than ours.

 

And you can’t discount our terrible Oline pass pro just because it ruins your argument.

[chad72]

They’re going to run Deebo To the ground before his rookie contract is over

[2006Coltsbestever]

Another clutch pass 

[chad72]

Haha, @EastStreet, another Darious Williams completion given up