Off-Season Moves/What does this team need? / what should happen now (merge)

[GoColts8818]

a pass rush, a new LT, new WRs, a new defensive scheme, safeties, and a new QB so not much.

[DougDew]

12 minutes ago, boo2202 said:

Yea I can’t get over giving up a 1st for him. Wasn’t worth it. At some point just suck for one year to put yourself in position to draft your guy or better yet if your such a draft genesis trade up and grab the guy. 

As its turning out, the only QBs earning their draft spot over the last few years are Herbert, Jones, and Burrow.  Trading up for anybody else would have just depleted our already thin capital, and Cincy and LAC were not trading out anyway.  I doubt that NE would have traded with us.

 

Seriously though, who is the best starting QB out of all of the non-playoff teams this year?  Cousins?  Maybe Lamar, but he's kind of a gimmick for a special kind of team/roster.

[B~Town]

Legit pass rushers our zone scheme needs a good pass rush to work . 

A receiver who can get open often and a big play guy

LT can not allow your qb to be blindsided all season and not get happy feet .

CBs need more size at the position

TE need to find a guy who can do it all

A QB upgrade would be nice but there are very few who would play well with the pass blocking issues and wr s who are not getting open . 

 

 

[a06cc]

Pass Rush isn’t the problem. We’re young at the spot it will get better. We need a secondary. For the past 2-3 season we’ve needed on. Who do you trust back there? Blackmon when healthy was getting beat as well deep. We’re playing backups as starters. 

[boo2202]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

As its turning out, the only QBs earning their draft spot over the last few years are Herbert, Jones, and Burrow.  Trading up for anybody else would have just depleted our already thin capital, and Cincy and LAC were not trading out anyway.  I doubt that NE would have traded with us.

 

Seriously though, who is the best starting QB out of all of the non-playoff teams this year?  Cousins?  Maybe Lamar, but he's kind of a gimmick for a special kind of team/roster.

Didn’t Mac go like 16th? We selected paye with 21st. Could’ve easily pulled that one off. I’d would have rather begged Rivers for one more year than be stuck with Carson. What we seen from wentz the past 4 games is what you get. Not good. I understand that everyone can’t have a Mahoney, but wentz makes the easy stuff look difficult 

[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

As its turning out, the only QBs earning their draft spot over the last few years are Herbert, Jones, and Burrow.  Trading up for anybody else would have just depleted our already thin capital, and Cincy and LAC were not trading out anyway.  I doubt that NE would have traded with us.

 

Seriously though, who is the best starting QB out of all of the non-playoff teams this year?  Cousins?  Maybe Lamar, but he's kind of a gimmick for a special kind of team/roster.

The answer is no one. There's no QB out there that would be an upgrade who isn't already spoken for. The current draft class isn't good, but it doesn't matter because we aren't really in the draft game this year. We need to let Fisher walk and start Pryor next year. And then... I honestly have no clue. We're in a very bad spot for the future of the franchise. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Andrew Luck comes back, he is still young and healthy. 

[bluephantom87]

1 hour ago, Thunderbolt said:

Don't forget, we especially need a new QB  unless we roll with Ehlinger.

He's DEFINITELY not the answer! Think Colt McCoy 2.0 but with the way Wentz is playing ANYTHING is an upgrade! Plus it doesn't take much to run this BASIC 2yds and a cloud of dust offense anyway.

[DougDew]

21 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

My vote for a top 2....

 

New DC and a new O play caller

I've been agnostic towards Flus.  I simply think there isn't much change that would work considering the 43 zone that Ballard has drafted for.  We don't have the pass rush players or the back 7 to be a SEA multi alignment defense.  Being vanilla isn't working, but there is no legit reason to think that other than vanilla will be better with the players we have.

 

It was said last spring that Reich was going to "fix" Wentz.  And we know that Reich is the playcaller.  So does that mean that Reich is the QB coach, the OC play caller, and the HC?   That's a lot of jobs.  What does Marcus Brady do, organize the clipboard? 

[Defjamz26]

Man where to start…For a team with 7 pro bowlers, we’re a mess in a lot of places. But if I had to really look at it:

 

-New playcaller- Reich can not call the plays next year. Almost anything that wasn’t “give the ball to Taylor” didn’t work offensively. Give the OC a shot

 

-Were stuck with Wentz for at least one more full season, but the Colts need to start thinking long and hard about long term QB options. He clearly isn’t it. Whatever he had that one year in Philly, he doesn’t have anymore.

 

-I’m going to put this part in all caps. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET SOME DAMN CORNERS!!!! ITS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR AT LEAST 4 YEARS NOW.

 

-Eberflus needs to go. He’s the one coach I feel like has outstayed his welcome. While lack of talent is partially to blame, his vanilla offense doesn’t help. 
 

-We need pass catchers. WRs and TE’s. It doesn’t matter which one but we need other receiving threats.

 

-LT…enough said

 

-Pass Rush is also long overdue too. 

[DougDew]

3 minutes ago, boo2202 said:

Didn’t Mac go like 16th? We selected paye with 21st. Could’ve easily pulled that one off. I’d would have rather begged Rivers for one more year than be stuck with Carson. What we seen from wentz the past 4 games is what you get. Not good. I understand that everyone can’t have a Mahoney, but wentz makes the easy stuff look difficult 

If NE needs a QB for the future they are not going to consider taking draft picks instead of Jones.  A trade wasn't available.  And no way LAC was trading out of the Hebert spot the year before.

 

And with the strategy of stinking for a year to get a better college prospect, who knows what position a poor year gives you in terms of a pick and what college QB declares for the draft or doesn't  

 

This year, that top QB is the guy from Pitt or Ole Miss, both kinda one year wonders and a bit risky, IMO.

4 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Man where to start…For a team with 7 pro bowlers, we’re a mess in a lot of places. But if I had to really look at it:

It sounds like a lot.  But we have probowlers in positions that don't really matter.

[runthepost]

Pretty much need guys at the skills position 

WR

CB

LT

DE

TE

DT

 

We need better talent at these positions.

[JimJaime]

2 hours ago, Mike Tahoe said:

After watching this team get handled in every aspect of the game in Jacksonville, I am not convinced that this team, as it stands, can become a championship team.  

 

I hate to say it but I feel like Wentz has regressed in both his ability and decision making.  Losing next years 1st rounder is going to hurt.

 

What changes do you think this team needs to make to become a championship caliber team?

 

I may be in the minority, but this what I think the team needs to do:

 

- New QB Carson takes way too long in the pocket and makes way too many bone headed decisions.  Not to mention, his accuracy is suspect at times as well. His greatest strength is probably his athleticism, but I feel like that is already on the decline

 

- A true no. 1 WR. Pittman is a quality receiver but he is not a true game changer that defenses need to game plan against.  We need someone who get open often and be a go to threat at all times.

 

- Defense:  without a pass rush this defense can make too many mediocre QBs look like Joe Montana.  If you do not have a strong four man rush the cover 2 will always be a liability.

 

I love this team and will always be a fan, but I just think we are a few pieces away still.

You need an average QB who can make the standard plays when teams load the box against Taylor. 
 

You team just to play more level.. what I mean is against NE they came out like it was their SB, against the Jags they look like they were already golfing. Need be somewhere in the middle ALL the time not such extremes.

[EastStreet]

7 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I've been agnostic towards Flus.  I simply think there isn't much change that would work considering the 43 zone that Ballard has drafted for.  We don't have the pass rush players or the back 7 to be a SEA multi alignment defense.  Being vanilla isn't working, but there is no legit reason to think that other than vanilla will be better with the players we have.

 

It was said last spring that Reich was going to "fix" Wentz.  And we know that Reich is the playcaller.  So does that mean that Reich is the QB coach, the OC play caller, and the HC?   That's a lot of jobs.  What does Marcus Brady do, organize the clipboard? 

 

A lot of 4-3 teams blitz, stunt, and move their front 4 around more than us. And are more successful.

 

Reich needs to focus on HCing, and give up the PCing. 

[boo2202]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

If NE needs a QB for the future they are not going to consider taking draft picks instead of Jones.  A trade wasn't available.  And no way LAC was trading out of the Hebert spot the year before.

 

And with the strategy of stinking for a year to get a better college prospect, who knows what position a poor year gives you in terms of a pick and what college QB declares for the draft or doesn't  

 

This year, that top QB is the guy from Pitt or Ole Miss, both kinda one year wonders and a bit risky, IMO.

It sounds like a lot.  But we have probowlers in positions that don't really matter.

Was talking about trading in front of pats. Prolly could’ve had Mac for the same price we paid for Carson. Trade up 6 spots and jumped the pats. But I know if a frog had wings, his butt wouldn’t hurt. I have zero faith in wentz. I think we seen what he is this year. That’s a subpar QB that has no chance to win big games much less a Super Bowl 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Jim Harbaugh comes here as coach and persuades Andrew to come of retirement, If anyone could do it, it would be Harbaugh. I am just posting this because people say Wentz and Reich stinks now.

[#12.]

Whatever our needs are, this is for certain - we had enough to beat the Raiders and/or Jags.  

 

We had four games to make the playoffs.  We beat the Patriots and Cards and lost to the Raiders and Jags.  wth?  

[WoolMagnet]

Move the team to Albuquerque.

Anybody have Mayflower’s digits?

[a06cc]

13 minutes ago, runthepost said:

Pretty much need guys at the skills position 

WR

CB

LT

DE

TE

DT

 

We need better talent at these positions.

Especially CB and DB’s 

[boo2202]

2 hours ago, smittywerb said:

- New HC:  I’ve been saying I do not like Reich playcalling all season and I’ve gotten crap for it.  This game shows what I’ve been saying all year about him.  
 

- Pass Rushing Stud: I think Paye  is going to be good and dayo will be ok. But we need a bonafide rusher.  Losing houston was bad and it shows

 

- New DC:  I’m tired of the cover 2 with no blitzing.  It doesn’t help us at all.  I think this defense has the talent to be good, but it’s the playcalling.

 

- Playmaking WR:  outside of mpj, this receiving core is trash.  PC is supposed to be our playmaker and he can barely stay on the field.

 

- New QB:  Carson wentz is not it.  I’m sorry.  
 

- Revamped Playcalling:  our offense is predictable.  We don’t run the no huddle.  We don’t use our weapons like Hines.  Our run plays are literally just up the gut.

 

 

it just boggles my mind that weeks ago we almost shut out the bills and blew them out.  What happened?  The run stopped bailing out Carson. 

Last part says it all 

[csmopar]

35 minutes ago, boo2202 said:

Didn’t Mac go like 16th? We selected paye with 21st. Could’ve easily pulled that one off. I’d would have rather begged Rivers for one more year than be stuck with Carson. What we seen from wentz the past 4 games is what you get. Not good. I understand that everyone can’t have a Mahoney, but wentz makes the easy stuff look difficult 

Wentz needs to be gone

[gnet550]

WR opposite of Pittman for sure.

DE who can get after thE QB

CB opposite Moore and Rogers 

 

this would be my top 3. CB and pass rush go hand in hand and neither of ours helps the other. The on O we ne just need another threat other than Pittman in the passing game.

[boo2202]

2 hours ago, Nesjan3 said:

Frank should give up playcalling, were stuck with Wentz another season so they need to work their butts off this offseason to correct his problems.

Sadly non correctable 

[WoolMagnet]

4 minutes ago, #12. said:

Whatever our needs are, this is for certain - we certainly had enough to beat the Raiders and/or Jags.  

 

We had four games to make the playoffs.  We beat the Patriots and Cards and lost to the Raiders and Jags.  wth?  

MIT grads would struggle understanding this scenario.

 

What an odd season.  I had my doubts about a playoff run, but i expected more in these last 2 games.... win or lose.  They came out flat, were beat in all 3 phases (and coaching), and got physically manhandled in BOTH games.  I’m thoroughly confused as to our inconsistent play . Not sure where to start.

  A few things are clear:

1.  Need defensive pressure BADLY.

2. Need better play from WB position.  What we got wasnt necessarily bad, but average at best.  
3.  Running game alone cant win a championship.

4.Need to invest in back-end of defense.

5.WR position is average at best.

6.TE position needs attention.

7. LT next year?

8. I think we need an “edge” in the building.  An “enforcer”.  I dont care the approach, i just want somebody throwing a chair once in a while.  You know?

     Im tired of nicey-nice.  Lets try.... do your job, or you’re gone.

 

  Something needs to change.  I’m just not sure what and its too fresh.  Gonna let the dust settle in my mind.

[ruf]

OL: Q get paid and go to LT---keep Glo and Reed 

WR: first draft pick

TE: 2nd draft pick

Cb/S: FA's

PR: need a FA DE it will cost but it must happen. if anyone watch this game today if we want to win this must happen

our cb's need to play more man coverage--we need get more pressure on the qb

 

we have to keep qb for one more year hopefully he will improve but we can worry about that the year after

thoughts

we need our best 5 ol in the game and we have not been doing that

 

[RollerColt]

Don’t expect anything to happen this off-season… I don’t see Reich being let go, and I see us forcibly staying with Wentz for another year at the least. It is what it is. 

[Moosejawcolt]

1 minute ago, ruf said:

OL: Q get paid and go to LT---keep Glo and Reed 

WR: first draft pick

TE: 2nd draft pick

Cb/S: FA's

PR: need a FA DE it will cost but it must happen. if anyone watch this game today if we want to win this must happen

our cb's need to play more man coverage--we need get more pressure on the qb

 

we have to keep qb for one more year hopefully he will improve but we can worry about that the year after

thoughts

we need our best 5 ol in the game and we have not been doing that

 

Go after Schwartz

[csmopar]

Dude... we have like 7 threads asking/saying this very thing

Just now, Moosejawcolt said:

Go after Schwartz

Leftwich?

[IrsaysArmy]

WR and literally anybody defensive lineman who doesn’t get stood up at the LOS for 70 plays a game 

[Thunderbolt]

I'm afraid you're right, so we'll be in the same situation with Reich's incompetent play calling and Wentz erratic, panicky, inaccurate throws.  I don't think Irsay is going to pull the plug unlike the other owners. He's too patient of an owner and just let things ride when it's almost impossible that the team can no longer be successful with a particular HC like Pagano...

[Moosejawcolt]

7 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Dude... we have like 7 threads asking/saying this very thing

Leftwich?

 Nope

[DiogoSales]

1 - WR/TE - Spend f*****g money, Hunter Henry money if needed.

 

2 - QB -  Nothing we can do next year, but yes, Wentz is not the answer...

 

3 - New DC - Vic Fangio is going to be available, just saying... 

[coltsfan_canada]

2 hours ago, bestQBever said:

To stay relevant I think we have no choice but to keep Frank and Wentz. Wentz needs to change something up this offseason. Go to throwing specialist and fix his entire game. That's the only hope of not going 9-8 again next year

 

He needs to learn fundamentals 

 

If there is no receiver open and about to get sack throw the ball away... and away means out of field not shovel pass to defender hand don't think he is Rogers.

[Colt.45]

QB

DE

........

.....

WR

[csmopar]

59 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Jim Harbaugh comes here as coach and persuades Andrew to come of retirement, If anyone could do it, it would be Harbaugh. I am just posting this because people say Wentz and Reich stinks now.

Luck is finished

[csmopar]

28 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Don’t expect anything to happen this off-season… I don’t see Reich being let go, and I see us forcibly staying with Wentz for another year at the least. It is what it is. 

I think you’re right. But I also see this as the year Irsay says enough, open the wallet and let’s take back the division 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

Luck is finished

You talked to him, sorry to hear he is.

[csmopar]

4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You talked to him, sorry to hear he is.

A thousand reporters have and it’s been tweeted over and over. The dude quit. Mentally. He is NEVER coming out of retirement. I don’t care if Peyton freaking Manning was coach begged him to do it. Luck is done as a QB. Period

[RollerColt]

4 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I think you’re right. But I also see this as the year Irsay says enough, open the wallet and let’s take back the division 

I mean... It's completely against Ballard's philosophy... But it worked for the Titans. Knowing our luck it would blow up in our face. I think we're simply cursed. 

[DougDew]

1 hour ago, boo2202 said:

Was talking about trading in front of pats. Prolly could’ve had Mac for the same price we paid for Carson. Trade up 6 spots and jumped the pats. But I know if a frog had wings, his butt wouldn’t hurt. I have zero faith in wentz. I think we seen what he is this year. That’s a subpar QB that has no chance to win big games much less a Super Bowl 

But we already made the trade for Wentz before anybody knew where Mac would settle at.  I think with Rivers gone and the only QB on the roster being Eason, a GM has to get Wentz before he can rely upon the draft falling correctly.

 

What do you do if you can't get the college QB?  Do you then hope that Ehlinger lasts 175 picks, or over draft him?

 

Getting Wentz was the right move considering the limited options.  Now its a matter of getting him to run the offense better and get him better weapons.  

 

I still think that a less expensive trade for Andy Dalton may have been just as productive.