If I'm Flus......

[CR91]

I am showing the entire defense how the Patriots have run down our throats with nobodies like Jonas Gray just to make a point this team does not respect our toughness and our ability to win on defense. I want Leonard, Buck, Kenny * off that in past matchups this team humiliated the defense time and time again. To put it on themselves to say not this team. That this time, we are the more physical team and we're gonna punch you in the mouth.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

I am showing the entire defense how the Patriots have run down our throats with nobodies like Jonas Gray just to make a point this team does not respect our toughness and our ability to win on defense. I want Leonard, Buck, Kenny * off that in past matchups this team humiliated the defense time and time again. To put it on themselves to say not this team. That this time, we are the more physical team and we're gonna punch you in the mouth.

As Tony Dungy told the 2006 team during that AFC Title Game, "it is our time". I think come Saturday it will be again, the stakes obviously not as big but for a regular season game, pretty big. We are due to beat them. 

[MPStack]

Shut down the run game. 

[#12.]

In the past, our weakness was our run defense.  Today, it's our pass defense. They will attack your weakness.  Eberflus better be ready for the Charlie Weis quick, efficient passing game and for them to take some shots like they did with Brady early on.  

[CR91]

12 minutes ago, #12. said:

In the past, our weakness was our run defense.  Today, it's our pass defense. They will attack your weakness.  Eberflus better be ready for the Charlie Weis quick, efficient passing game and for them to take some shots like they did with Brady early on.  

 

Let them. Rock and Rodgers have been solid all year. Mac Jones is still a rookie at the end of the day.

[Goatface Killah]

This is the key to winning this game.

 

We have to force Mac Jones to convert 3rd and longs. 

 

If we can do that, we will get a little pressure on him and he will make mistakes.

[Chucklez]

 

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

As Tony Dungy told the 2006 team during that AFC Title Game, "it is our time". I think come Saturday it will be again, the stakes obviously not as big but for a regular season game, pretty big. We are due to beat them. 

This is a team that we haven't beaten since Peyton Manning was in a Colts uniform - 2009. We have lost 8 straight to them, and Jonathan Taylor was 10 years old, with an average margin of loss of about 18 points...

The Colts as an organisation have some demons to exorcise in this one... "We are due" is selling it a bit short.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Chucklez said:

 

This is a team that we haven't beaten since Peyton Manning was in a Colts uniform - 2009. We have lost 8 straight to them, and Jonathan Taylor was 10 years old, with an average margin of loss of about 18 points...

The Colts as an organisation have some demons to exorcise in this one... "We are due" is selling it a bit short.

We have the team to do it now, they don't have Tom anymore and when we had Luck, Luck had crap around him besides Reggie for 1 year = 2012 and TY in his prime. He had to carry the team with 0 running game, bad O.Line, iffy D, Wentz doesn't have to. Frank is better than Chuck as well.

[Moosejawcolt]

We r going to see how good our linebackers really are. Lot of reaponsibilty in them this game.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

2 hours ago, CR91 said:

I am showing the entire defense how the Patriots have run down our throats with nobodies like Jonas Gray just to make a point this team does not respect our toughness and our ability to win on defense. I want Leonard, Buck, Kenny * off that in past matchups this team humiliated the defense time and time again. To put it on themselves to say not this team. That this time, we are the more physical team and we're gonna punch you in the mouth.

 

Actually I think there's a good chance eberflus plays soft and Belichek will dink & dunk and take advantage of that ill conceived defense like they have a gazillion times before.

Also, passing alot(dinking & dunking) will help Jones ego and some lack of confidence that some media expressed that Belichek had in him throwing only 3 passes vs Buffalo. 

 

What I'd like to see is man press coverage and make Jones try to beat us passing deep. Without those pass interference calls they & brady often get I doubt they will be successful passing intermediate/deep. 

They may be able to run some but I doubt they beat us by just handing off all night.

 

 

[SC-Coltsfan]

We need to play a solid 4 qtrs and we will win. We could easily have beaten Rams, Ravens, Titans @ home and Bucs had we played 4 qtrs. Colts are a very good team. Hopefully they will play like one Saturday night. I think they will.

Colts 31

Patriots 20

[MikeCurtis]

19 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

 take advantage of that ill conceived defense like they have a gazillion times before.

 

I get your point, and feel your pain

 

But the defense isnt really  "ill conceived" ...... I would say UNDERSTAFFED

 

You have to have some top performers at key positions to make it work well

 

First and foremost

Your DL MUST get pass rush......  It just wont work without it the 3T, and DEs getting pressure

Then equal parts of:

Your CBs MUST be able to tackle and play zone

Your WSLB, MUST be able to defend against pass, and defend against run 

You MUST have a deep ball, excellent cover safety that can tackle on the field 

 

This defense has underachieved due mainly to lack of PR

 

I may be in a minority, but even with the rookies that are showing promise, I would STILL try to grab an additional 

pass rusher to add to this team (Not a top talent, but a tier 2 talent, that can be in the rotation)

 

A player that plays 25-30% of the downs (PR downs)

 

Just an opinion though.... not worth  a penny 

 

 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

49 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

I get your point, and feel your pain

 

But the defense isnt really  "ill conceived" ...... I would say UNDERSTAFFED

 

You have to have some top performers at key positions to make it work well

 

First and foremost

Your DL MUST get pass rush......  It just wont work without it the 3T, and DEs getting pressure

Then equal parts of:

Your CBs MUST be able to tackle and play zone

Your WSLB, MUST be able to defend against pass, and defend against run 

You MUST have a deep ball, excellent cover safety that can tackle on the field 

 

This defense has underachieved due mainly to lack of PR

 

I may be in a minority, but even with the rookies that are showing promise, I would STILL try to grab an additional 

pass rusher to add to this team (Not a top talent, but a tier 2 talent, that can be in the rotation)

 

A player that plays 25-30% of the downs (PR downs)

 

Just an opinion though.... not worth  a penny 

 

 

 

When I said " I'll conceived defense" I meant those are types of D they've mostly facing for years, not just against us but others as well.

I understand that D if the offense is much superior,  but for years the Pat's deep/intermediate passing game is mediocre at best. Defenses are doing them a favor, even the ones with good personnel, playing soft and allow them to throw those short passes.

[Dasteez]

I’ve been thinking about this and honestly don’t know. Do you try to predict what Bellichek does and try to beat that? Or do you do what you do and adjust?
 

I think it’s the latter. I think they come out throwing the ball quickly with slants, screens, and stick routes to try combat what they think the Colts will do in trying to stop the run. 

 

I like what we did against the Bills in that we showed differing things pre and post snap to try and get Allen to hold the ball an extra step. I think that works against a rookie QB. Run Slot CB blitz with Kenny Moore periodically to make Jones uncomfortable generally. Play tight in the red zone. 
 

more so then the defense, I think scoring points on offense is the best defense. 

[Yoshinator]

37 minutes ago, Dasteez said:

I’ve been thinking about this and honestly don’t know. Do you try to predict what Bellichek does and try to beat that? Or do you do what you do and adjust?
 

I think it’s the latter. I think they come out throwing the ball quickly with slants, screens, and stick routes to try combat what they think the Colts will do in trying to stop the run. 

 

I like what we did against the Bills in that we showed differing things pre and post snap to try and get Allen to hold the ball an extra step. I think that works against a rookie QB. Run Slot CB blitz with Kenny Moore periodically to make Jones uncomfortable generally. Play tight in the red zone. 
 

more so then the defense, I think scoring points on offense is the best defense. 

You do what you do and adjust. However, Reich has to be able to adjust quickly, and probably multiple times this game, if we want a chance of winning. Belichick is the master of adjustments himself, so Reich has to be on top of things. It's much more than just a talent or matchup thing in this game. Belichick coaches at another level.

[pgt_rob]

Can’t shoot ourselves in the foot like we did against the Bucs. Too many turn overs which ultimately is hard to come back from. Got to keep it clean. Run the ball.  

[Smonroe]

3 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

You do what you do and adjust. However, Reich has to be able to adjust quickly, and probably multiple times this game, if we want a chance of winning. Belichick is the master of adjustments himself, so Reich has to be on top of things. It's much more than just a talent or matchup thing in this game. Belichick coaches at another level.

I think this is right - in the last 6 games the Pats haven’t given up more than 3 points in the second half.  That is the definition of adjustment.  You are correct, he is the master.  
 

I think we have a better players on offense, they have the edge on defense.  But until our staff proves otherwise, they have the better coaches, game plan better, and adjust the best.  
 

Prove otherwise Frank!

[WoolMagnet]

13 hours ago, GoatBeard said:

This is the key to winning this game.

 

We have to force Mac Jones to convert 3rd and longs. 

 

If we can do that, we will get a little pressure on him and he will make mistakes.

Easier if we just change the lock codes to the visitor locker room.

They cant win if they cant get in the building.

 

  Why not crank up the heat and the pumped-in noise too...... just for old time sake.

 

[Mitch Connors]

18 hours ago, #12. said:

In the past, our weakness was our run defense.  Today, it's our pass defense. They will attack your weakness.  Eberflus better be ready for the Charlie Weis quick, efficient passing game and for them to take some shots like they did with Brady early on.  

Agreed. If we have our CB's lineup 10 yards off the ball the Pats will quick slant us to death. There's 0 reason to play this far off the ball given they're not a deep threat passing team. But...

[Dingus McGirt]

18 hours ago, GoatBeard said:

This is the key to winning this game.

 

We have to force Mac Jones to convert 3rd and longs. 

 

If we can do that, we will get a little pressure on him and he will make mistakes.

I hope you are correct.  Sadly, 3rd and long situations have long been an issue for the Colt's defense.  It's gotten so that everytime I hear that bell/gong sound in the stadium - I cringe.

[Smonroe]

14 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

I hope you are correct.  Sadly, 3rd and long situations have long been an issue for the Colt's defense.  It's gotten so that everytime I hear that bell/gong sound in the stadium - I cringe.

 

I know what you mean.   It's usually us rushing four and not getting there, their QB taking his time waiting for that shallow crosser who's wide open.

 

I've been down on Flus for a couple years because of that D style.  It killed us in several games this year.

 

But they have been playing tighter.  Let's hope they keep it up.  Mac doesn't have the strongest arm.  The Colts will try to make him throw it to the outside.

[Dingus McGirt]

7 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

I know what you mean.   It's usually us rushing four and not getting there, their QB taking his time waiting for that shallow crosser who's wide open.

 

I've been down on Flus for a couple years because of that D style.  It killed us in several games this year.

 

But they have been playing tighter.  Let's hope they keep it up.  Mac doesn't have the strongest arm.  The Colts will try to make him throw it to the outside.

Ya hear that Kenny Moore??

[krunk]

They keep trying to us Bobby Okerekes words about making them one dimensional and seeing what Mac Jones can do as Bulletin Board material.  Please!  That's standard run of the mill stuff if you ask me.

[Moosejawcolt]

19 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:

I get your point, and feel your pain

 

But the defense isnt really  "ill conceived" ...... I would say UNDERSTAFFED

 

You have to have some top performers at key positions to make it work well

 

First and foremost

Your DL MUST get pass rush......  It just wont work without it the 3T, and DEs getting pressure

Then equal parts of:

Your CBs MUST be able to tackle and play zone

Your WSLB, MUST be able to defend against pass, and defend against run 

You MUST have a deep ball, excellent cover safety that can tackle on the field 

 

This defense has underachieved due mainly to lack of PR

 

I may be in a minority, but even with the rookies that are showing promise, I would STILL try to grab an additional 

pass rusher to add to this team (Not a top talent, but a tier 2 talent, that can be in the rotation)

 

A player that plays 25-30% of the downs (PR downs)

 

Just an opinion though.... not worth  a penny 

 

 

Gee u r nort asking for a lot r u??? U r basically asking the Colts to become an elite defense by the weekend.  They have not been able to do many of those things u have put on your must list this year

[MikeCurtis]

3 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Gee u r nort asking for a lot r u??? U r basically asking the Colts to become an elite defense by the weekend.  They have not been able to do many of those things u have put on your must list this year

Wow.....

 

My response was to why the defense was not ill concieved, but we may not have the right folks ..... YET

 

The defense is understaffed to be a top defense.

 

We will have to build in the off season toward that........  NOT THIS WEEKEND

 

Maybe take just a little time to read the back and forth.....  before you weigh in......  on one part....

 

Sheeze.......

 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

We need to throw a lot of different looks  at the rookie and disguise what we are doing. 

[Stephen]

8 hours ago, Dingus McGirt said:

I hope you are correct.  Sadly, 3rd and long situations have long been an issue for the Colt's defense.  It's gotten so that everytime I hear that bell/gong sound in the stadium - I cringe.

3rd and 40 and Jones drops back to pass and it is complete for a first down lol

[bleevit]

On 12/15/2021 at 1:32 PM, MPStack said:

Shut down the run game. 

I totally agree. I don't think the Colts have to do much more than play to the Pats tendencies to get that done. Just play good solid Colts football. Force their QB to throw outside the numbers as suggested by Rick Venturi and make him beat you there. With regard to their No 1 ranked D just do what the offense does best and things will work themselves out.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 12/16/2021 at 8:16 AM, Mitch Connors said:

Agreed. If we have our CB's lineup 10 yards off the ball the Pats will quick slant us to death. There's 0 reason to play this far off the ball given they're not a deep threat passing team. But...

Exactly.

But will it surprise you if that's are defensive scheme?

[2006Coltsbestever]

20 hours ago, Stephen said:

3rd and 40 and Jones drops back to pass and it is complete for a first down lol

Yeah that could happen  , Best post I have seen so far. Commentator: Colts have this game in the bag folks up by 6, Pats have 4th and 20 from their own 40, Jones throws a bomb incomplete, but wait, there is a flag down in the endzone with just 10 seconds left  .

[GRUMPY OLD MAN]

On 12/16/2021 at 11:24 AM, Moosejawcolt said:

Gee u r nort asking for a lot r u??? U r basically asking the Colts to become an elite defense by the weekend.  They have not been able to do many of those things u have put on your must list this year

past time for ballards pass rushers to live up to his expectations

[Moosejawcolt]

On 12/15/2021 at 4:18 PM, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Actually I think there's a good chance eberflus plays soft and Belichek will dink & dunk and take advantage of that ill conceived defense like they have a gazillion times before.

Also, passing alot(dinking & dunking) will help Jones ego and some lack of confidence that some media expressed that Belichek had in him throwing only 3 passes vs Buffalo. 

 

What I'd like to see is man press coverage and make Jones try to beat us passing deep. Without those pass interference calls they & brady often get I doubt they will be successful passing intermediate/deep. 

They may be able to run some but I doubt they beat us by just handing off all night.

 

 

I think he will go heavy set. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This might be a game to play some man to man and try to make Jones throw into tight windows. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah that could happen  , Best post I have seen so far. Commentator: Colts have this game in the bag folks up by 6, Pats have 4th and 20 from their own 40, Jones throws a bomb incomplete, but wait, there is a flag down in the endzone with just 10 seconds left  .

Colts have the officiating crew that has thrown the second most flags of the season. 

[EastStreet]

ESPN's NFL Matchup has a good show this AM. Nice to have Indy the only team playing today, so a lot of Colts stuff. 

 

One thing they discussed was NE running double digs in the seam with one TE, and one WR. Very hard to defend, and gives Jones a quick 1-2 read. Like I've said in other threads, I think our LBs, SS, and NB, are all going to have busy days. 

 

I really wish we'd run the same route with our guys. Especially with two bigs. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 12/17/2021 at 5:03 PM, Wentzszn said:

This might be a game to play some man to man and try to make Jones throw into tight windows. 

 

That might make Belichek mad lol