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9 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Seems like a little competition with Reed was good for Glow....

Reed's snaps have faded....

 

And just to add to the below... Glow was always considered perhaps better at run blocking than pass pro... 

 

 

Let’s hope Pinter will have the same effect on Kelly. 

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I would think that it would be tough for MAC to get more touches.   There's only 1 football.  JT seems to do fine with 20 to 25 touches.  Do you take away from Pittman or Doyle just to get MAC more?  Dulin needs a few targets by default since he's the only speed threat this year (wont be on the field the same time as TY).  Take away Hines targets in the passing game?  If so, his touches will be about 0 outside of PR, because Jackson his probably the better handoff RB now.  No need to get MAC more involved if there is no strategic reason to in a game.

 

Why can't Oke get better?  The grades of nearly every defensive player benefited from playing Houston, except his.

 

 

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13 hours ago, EastStreet said:

60.3/60.5/64.1/71.2/73.8/75.1/76.5/80.7/80.8/85.0/90.2/90.4/87.7

 

Taylor's grade has steadily climbed every week, as the hype around him has grown.  

 

I've noticed this in quite a few cases.  It's not always the independent analysis PFF claims it to be.  They go with the flow too.  

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2 hours ago, Solid84 said:

Let’s hope Pinter will have the same effect on Kelly. 

I was thinking the exact same thing. We've been blessed of late (cursed early) with Pryor playing very very well as swing tackle and grading well, and then Smith comes back firing on all cylinders and grading really well. Same with Reed, who did not grade all that well, but Glow has responded with some very good football. Hoping Kelly steps it up after the bye. I also think some rest is going to help Q big time. Q hasn't been grading well, but he's been extremely functional playing hurt, and has allowed zero sacks all year. 

 

In short, really would be nice to have the OL come back and killing it the next 3 games. Rest, healing, and competition... whatever it takes!

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10 minutes ago, #12. said:

 

Taylor's grade has steadily climbed every week, as the hype around him has grown.  

 

I've noticed this in quite a few cases.  It's not always the independent analysis PFF claims it to be.  They go with the flow too.  

I don't think hype factors all that much into grades... I'd give you the counter to that argument with Taylor, with the argument that Paye has not got any media hype at all, but is grading really well despite lower sack counts and a lot of buzz. He's simply doing everything correctly, but not getting home a ton. And doing really well vs the run, which does not get a lot attention. And Q, the most hyped OL in all of the NFL by a lot of media guys, grading mediocre despite allowing zero sacks this year. I've paid close attention to this stuff for a while. I think it's all extremely fair and as objective as grading can be with a subjective human being(s) watching and scratching down grades.

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2 hours ago, DougDew said:

I would think that it would be tough for MAC to get more touches.   There's only 1 football.  JT seems to do fine with 20 to 25 touches.  Do you take away from Pittman or Doyle just to get MAC more?  Dulin needs a few targets by default since he's the only speed threat this year (wont be on the field the same time as TY).  Take away Hines targets in the passing game?  If so, his touches will be about 0 outside of PR, because Jackson his probably the better handoff RB now.  No need to get MAC more involved if there is no strategic reason to in a game.

 

Why can't Oke get better?  The grades of nearly every defensive player benefited from playing Houston, except his.

 

 

As far as Mo is concerned..... His passer rating when targeted is highest on the team aside from Jonathan Taylor if you're looking at all the staring WRs/TEs/RBs. And if you're comparing him to Doyle, aside from having a superior passer rating when targeted, has only a 3% drop rate (Doyle is 10%), and Mo has better YAC and ADOT. Again, all of the numerics line up for Mo, just like they did last year. 

 

And there's absolutely enough balls. We continue to force a ton to Pascal, who has very meh type production and numerics. That alone can shift a target or two to Mo per game.

 

On Oke. I just don't know what to say. I thought he'd pad his numbers vs Houston too. Leonard, Speed, and Franklin all got boosts. 

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8 minutes ago, #12. said:

They loved Paye in preseason and it carried over some into the regular season.  They're just dudes, just people.  If you watch them enough, you realize they have biases too.

I mean, if you don't like PFF, this is probably not the thread for you. 

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42 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

As far as Mo is concerned..... His passer rating when targeted is highest on the team aside from Jonathan Taylor if you're looking at all the staring WRs/TEs/RBs. And if you're comparing him to Doyle, aside from having a superior passer rating when targeted, has only a 3% drop rate (Doyle is 10%), and Mo has better YAC and ADOT. Again, all of the numerics line up for Mo, just like they did last year. 

 

And there's absolutely enough balls. We continue to force a ton to Pascal, who has very meh type production and numerics. That alone can shift a target or two to Mo per game.

 

On Oke. I just don't know what to say. I thought he'd pad his numbers vs Houston too. Leonard, Speed, and Franklin all got boosts. 

I don't know the difference between what Mo does and what Doyle does.  Not in terms of what has been asked, but in terms of body type and talent.  They seem repetitive to me, so go with the hot hand, which is Doyle at the moment, in times of need during the game.

 

More Mo at the expense of Pascal is a good way to get him more touches.  Now that Pascal has proven that his issues are more than just a couple of games, maybe now is a good time to make the change in targets.  Not that Mo can run the same routes necessarily.

 

I've noticed Franklin being more active and making more plays when in the game.  Its not just the HOU game, IMO.

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2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I don't know the difference between what Mo does and what Doyle does.  Not in terms of what has been asked, but in terms of body type and talent.  They seem repetitive to me, so go with the hot hand, which is Doyle at the moment, in times of need during the game.

 

More Mo at the expense of Pascal is a good way to get him more touches.  Now that Pascal has proven that his issues are more than just a couple of games, maybe now is a good time to make the change in targets.  Not that Mo can run the same routes necessarily.

 

I've noticed Franklin being more active and making more plays when in the game.  Its not just the HOU game, IMO.

Speed has flashed too. I think game experience have been good for both development wise. Franklin's ceiling is decent. Speeds ceiling is pretty high. Talking measurables-wise.

 

Mo is more of an intermediate threat than Doyle. He has done more on the 2nd and 3rd levels. I really wouldn't call them repetitive. His deeper work on sail routes has exceptional, and that's not something Doyle has ever had in his toolbox. Doyle's bread and butter has been 1st level for the most part, and go-to for 1Ds. 

 

Love Pascal, but he needs to be a depth guy. We really need a legit Z or traditional slot to eat away at his targets. TY's declining snap count, even against Houston, has been very telling. Either he's not 100%, or Frank has less confidence. But targets to TY have been more productive still... Glad they are using Dulin for things now instead of just being the rub guy.

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18 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Speed has flashed too. I think game experience have been good for both development wise. Franklin's ceiling is decent. Speeds ceiling is pretty high. Talking measurables-wise.

 

Mo is more of an intermediate threat than Doyle. He has done more on the 2nd and 3rd levels. I really wouldn't call them repetitive. His deeper work on sail routes has exceptional, and that's not something Doyle has ever had in his toolbox. Doyle's bread and butter has been 1st level for the most part, and go-to for 1Ds. 

 

Love Pascal, but he needs to be a depth guy. We really need a legit Z or traditional slot to eat away at his targets. TY's declining snap count, even against Houston, has been very telling. Either he's not 100%, or Frank has less confidence. But targets to TY have been more productive still... Glad they are using Dulin for things now instead of just being the rub guy.

I think Mo has a ceiling though, like Pascal.  A ceiling that we haven't seen due to limited play.  He does things well when he is the "off" target, sort of forgotten about by the D, but it may (likely?) not translate into a similar level of performance if he's included more in the O.  Just a wild observation.  Bottom line, I don't think Mo/Pascal make much difference.

 

As Dulin gains experience, he can be used more.  Nice TD catch.  Shows that he can perform in some clutch situations.  If TY can't run the proper Z routes, then somebody has to, and that somebody now is Dulin.  But like Mo and Pascal, lets not think that he's a big difference maker in how the game flows at this point in his career.  JMO.

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15 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I think Mo has a ceiling though, like Pascal.  A ceiling that we haven't seen due to limited play.  He does things well when he is the "off" target, sort of forgotten about by the D, but it may (likely?) not translate into a similar level of performance if he's included more in the O.  Just a wild observation.  Bottom line, I don't think Mo/Pascal make much difference.

 

As Dulin gains experience, he can be used more.  Nice TD catch.  Shows that he can perform in some clutch situations.  If TY can't run the proper Z routes, then somebody has to, and that somebody now is Dulin.  But like Mo and Pascal, lets not think that he's a big difference maker in how the game flows at this point in his career.  JMO.

We have zero evidence of Mo bumping his head on a ceiling. You won't have that evidence until he gets more opportunity. When he has been given increased opportunity, especially on the 2nd level, he's killed it.

 

TY can run routes fine. Suggesting he can't is a really, really, bad take. He's been an elite route runner his entire career. His problem is he's losing speed, and at the same time, has been asked to be a "last cut" possession type WR, more than a "motion and in-space Z type" of WR. Why Frank asks a tiny WR to catch possession stuff if beyond me. He's still plenty fast to run other routes and stretch the field. 

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Just now, DougDew said:

That's what I meant.  Not as effective.  Dulin should get more PT because of it.  IMO.

 

I might take TY in a 40 race still over Dulin.

He's not the low 4.3s guy anymore, but he's likely still low to mid 4.4s, which is what Dulin is.

Dulin just has the size. 4 inches and 30lbs on TY... TY is just to small for position routes when he's not the old TY.

 

They need to give TY routes like slants, deep slants, seam verts, etc... He's plenty fast to kill through, and over the middle. 

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On 12/6/2021 at 11:44 PM, EastStreet said:

 

 

  • Keeping it simple
    • Rounding up
    • Under 50 - Red
    • Over 70 -  Blue
    • Format 
      • Player - comments 
      • Snap count % (per game)
      • PFF grades (year to date, not per game)

 

  • Top 5 This week 
    • 1️⃣ Kenny Moore: 95.3
    • 2️⃣ Ashton Dulin: 90.0
    • 3️⃣ Xavier Rhodes: 84.4
    • 4️⃣ Michael Pittman Jr: 82.8
    • 5️⃣ Danny Pinter: 79.9

 

 

  • Offense
    • QB Note - 
      • C Wentz QB -
        • 100%/93%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/90%/100%/86%
        • 60.1/67.8/68.5/72.6/73.8/80.6/74.9/67.5/70.6/69.1/69.5/72.3/73.0
      • S Ehlinger QB 
        • DNP 1-8/2%/NA/10%/NA/14%
        • DNP 1-8/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA
    • RB Note - Strange that Jackson cut more into Hines's carries, than JT...  
      • J Taylor RB - still beating up stacked boxes
        • 55/45%/48%/51%/52%/65%/69%/74%/69%/84%/83%/71%/76%
        • 60.3/60.5/64.1/71.2/73.8/75.1/76.5/80.7/80.8/85.0/90.2/90.4/87.7
      • N Hines RB - 
        • 45%/37%/56%/31%/38%/23%/28%/31%/45%/28%/19%/36%/19%
        • 69.6/60.9/67.9/64.2/64.7/62.5/57.9/61.3/68.7/69.6/71.4/73.1/74.8
      • D Jackson RB
        • DNP 1-10/10%/NA/11%
        • DNP 1-10/52.5/NA/62.9
    • TE Note - 
      • J Doyle TE -  
        • 59%/70%/57%/30%/72%/65%/74%/62%/68%/58%/74%/61%/58%
        • 64.7/71.2/68.1/72.1/75.1/72.2/70.4/67.3/68.8/69.7/69.5/74.1/74.5
      • M Alie-Cox TE - and they just said last week they wanted to get him more involved in the O... sigh 
        • 51%/40%/46%/69%/45%/50%/63%/49%/61%/55%/41%/57%/43%
        • 50.0/51.2/56.1/61.4/65.2/64.9/66.9/63.6/65.9/64.5/63.4/63.2/64.1
      • K Granson TE -  
        • 9%/9%/20%/42%/12%/8%/7%/12%/6%/19%/35%/13%/42%
        • NA/NA/NA/49.9/51.6/51.3/50.3/51.7/55.8/60.1/64.4/66.2/65.8
    • WR Note 
      • M Pittman WR - 
        • 97%/90%/93%/86%/88%/96%/91%/96%/85%/88%/75%/94%/75%
        • 60.8/68.8/72.7/69.7/71.2/71.3/75.8/76.5/77.3/78.3/77.6/75.5/77.7
      • Z Pascal WR - 
        • 91%/91%/89%/82%/86%/85%/84%/94%/84%/89%/78%/93%/75%
        • 64.9/62.0/57.7/57.4/58.5/57.2/55.5/55.0/57.4/56.7/55.7/53.5/53.9
      • T Hilton - low snaps vs Houston of all teams.....????
        • NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/50%/44%/NA/NA/61%/41%/61%/44%
        • NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/85.7/70.3/NA/NA/64.4/67.3/70.4/70.9
      • A Dulin WR - not a lot of targets, but very nice game in both O and STs
        • 8%/39%/11%/17%/33%/27%/63%/36%/37%/11%/29%/6%/31%
        • NA/59.5/58.6/64.4/65.9/64.4/57.0/51.4/52.0/54.2/54.0/57.4
      • D Patmon WR - 
        • DNP first 8 games/32%/8%/13%/4%/24%
        • DNP first 8 games/54.0/53.9/54.0/53.5/60.9
    • OL Note - good to see some of our vets get some rest
      • E Fisher LT - 
        • NA/73%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/90%/100%/86%
        • NA/ 62.0(1)/54.1(3)/41.8/46.5(4)/52.3/58.6/63.1/66.8/68.8/68.7(4)/67.3(5)/68.0 (5)
      • Q Nelson G - zero pressures given up.. still zero sacks. 
        • 100%/100%/21%/NA/NA/NA/100%/100%/94%/100%/64%/100%/86%
        • 72.7/63.9/69.3/NA/NA/NA/60.4/58.9/61.4/57.3/59.7/61.1/62.9
      • R Kelly C -
        • 100%/100%/100%/96%/99%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/90%/100%/0%
        • 67.9/68.8(1)/68.2/55.2(2)/52.8/53.8/52.3/55.2/56.4/57.3/57.0(3)/56.6/56.6(3)
      • M Glowinski G - zero pressures allowed
        • 100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/35%/5%/52%/67%/78%/96%/86%
        • 50.7/45.3/43.4(1)/47.6/57.7/58.0/56.3/56.7(2)/59.1/62.6/68.1/69.4/69.1(2)
      • B Smith RT -  
        • 100%/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/100%/73%/100%/100%/100%/100%
        • 60.8(1)/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/69.0(1)/73.9/79.8/83.2(1)/82.1(3)/83.5 (3)
      • C Reed OG - 
        • NA/NA/79%/100%/100%/100%/65%/95%/55%/33%/58%/4%/14%
        • NA/NA/68.6/58.7/67.7/65.4/67.5/60.3/59.6/59.8/61.9/60.9/61.5
      • M Pryor OT - 
        • NA/27%/28%/42%/100%/100%/100%/NA/27%/NA/12%/4%/15%
        • NA/62.3/66.5/64.0/71.2/76.3/69.5/NA/74.3/NA/74.7/74.7/74.1
      • D Pinter G/C - wow. such a nice first start ever. zero pressures allowed 
        • NA/NA/NA/14%/3%/2%/9%/NA/5%/NA/12%/NA/100%
        • NA/NA/NA/77.0/76.0/75.7/82.5/NA/77.1/NA/76.0/NA/83.1
      • W Fries G - got his feet wet!
        • DNP first 12 games - 14%
        • DNP first 12 games - 57.4
  • Defense
    • iDL Note - like the OL, great to see some of the big uglies get some rest  
      • D Buckner DT - 
        • 87%/88%/76%/85%/82%/71%/84%/81%/84%/70%/71%/78%/60%
        • 59.6/71.3/66.9(1)/73.5/68.8/73.7(2)/73.8(3)/71.1(4)/71.5/73.7(6)/73.9/73.4(7)/74.3 (7)
      • G Stewart NT - 
        • 81%/75%/69%/50%/67%/57%/52%/66%/42%/55%/61%/67%/50%
        • 62.9/66.9/65.8/69.9(1)/66.3/67.4/68.2/69.6/71.2/71.3/72.8/70.2/69.1 (1)
      • T Stallworth DT - 
        • 13%/27%/NA/19%/15%/37%/16%/19%/29%/50%/59%/33%/54%
        • 44.2/39.4/NA/43.5/51.4/61.3/63.2/59.5(1)/70.6(3)/66.4(4)/64.3/67.0/64.4 (4)
      • A Woods - 
        • NA/NA/18%/NA/NA/NA/16%/18%/5%/24%/NA/15%/19%
        • NA/NA/54.3/NA/NA/NA/56.7/62.5/66.0/59.2/NA/59.4/62.3
    • DE Note - 
      • K Paye DE - 
        • 76%/69%/10%/NA/NA/59%/73%/79%/73%/68%/75%/60%
        • 77.7/75.1/74.2/NA/NA/73.1/76.1/71.5/79.0/79.6(1)/81.3(2)/77.4(3)/76.2 (3)
      • A Muhammad DE - big game!!!.
        • 70%/61%/78%/83%/82%/65%/84%/78%/71%/68%/64%/85%/56%
        • 68.0(1)/67.7(2)/66.7/68.1/65.0(3)/64.3/64.0(4)/64.8/63.7/64.6/64.2/64.5(4)/64.7 (6)
      • D Odeyingbo - big increase in snap % 
        • NFI through G7/22%/32%/18%/25%/16%/42%
        • NFI through G7/59.1/54.2/62.1(1)/59.9/59.1/56.1 (1)
      • K Turay DE -  is he ready to step up and be consistent. Can he make an impact vs NE?
        • NA/19%/34%/46%/42%/NA/NA/21%/32%/17%/16%/4%/33%
        • NA/44.4/49.5/62.9(2)/55.3/NA/NA/43.4(3)/49.5/49.9/49.1/50.2/50.7 (5)
      • I Rochell - 
        • NA/NA/NA/17%/NA/27%/16%/NA/34%/26%/18%/21%/25%
        • NA/NA/NA/90.8/NA/89.5/79.0/NA/69.2/58.3/59.1/59.3/59.6
      • B Banogu DE - 
        • 11%/7%/19%/12%/16%/9%/NA/NA/NA/NA/11%/NA/NA/
        • 54.1/59.5/60.2/61.4/58.8/59.8/NA/NA/NA/NA/58.4/NA/NA/
    • LB Note - 
      • B Okereke LB - . 
        • 100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/99%/96%/100%/89%/100%/87%
        • 58.3/57.4/53.1/65.5/55.8/ 60.1/64.7/65.4/61.1/58.1/57.7/55.6/55.8
      • D Leonard LB - 
        • 100%/100%/100%/100%/100%/89%/100%/100%/100%/95%/89%/100%/87%
        • 71.3/69.5/70.1/72.2/68.1/77.3/77.5/76.1/74.1/72.5/72.4/75.1/75.4
      • Z Franklin LB - 
        • 24%/5%/31%/15%/14%/16%/30%/16%/8%/12%/32%/9%/27%
        • 52.9/58.9/50.3/57.4/58.9/60.2/57.2/56.7/58.1/61.9/63.7/64.7/66.2
      • EJ Speed LB - nice showing in increased snaps 
        • NA/NA/9%/NA/NA/11%/14%/14%/1%/9%/16%/4%/27%
        • NA/NA/64.6/NA/NA/79.6/76.1/52.4/53.0/49.0/58.8/55.6/63.4
    • CB Note - 
      • Rhodes - really really nice game. Is he back? Or just Houston lol..  
        • NA/NA/91%/98%/56%/97%/86%/97%/55%/NA/64%/57%/58%
        • NA/NA/41.2/47.2/53.9/63.8/ 63.4/59.6/58.5/NA/56.2/57.3/61.1
      • R Ya-Sin CB - boom, hit the big 70
        • 100%/98%/49%/NA/NA/55%/NA/73%/83%/98%/62%/84%/79%
        • 63.7/62.5/73.2/NA/NA/69.3/NA/68.5/65.1/68.8/67.7/68.6/70.0
      • K Moore CB - huge game. Kenny has done a great job digging himself out some early bad performances/grades. BOOOOM!! 
        • 96%/97%/99%/100%/100%/100%/100%/99%/100%/98%/89%/100%/87%
        • 56.1/42.9/48.7/54.7/55.5/54.3/52.5/55.2/58.7/66.7/64.7/70.8
      • T Carrie CB - 
        • 69%/69%/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/53%/11%/10%/13%
        • 60.6/58.8/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/57.4/58.7/62.4/57.1
      • I Rodgers CB - 
        • 11%/31%/22%/85%/82%/29%/55%/3%/53%/32%/52%/48%/38%
        • 46.7/33.9/43.2/49.7/52.4/66.2/NA/66.2/67.3/69.1/68.9/70.0/68.2
    • Safety Note - 
      • A Sendejo - 
        • NA/NA/32%/100%/64%/NA/79%/100%/100%/100%/91%/100%/87%
        • NA/NA/69.3/61.9/59.7/NA/57.5/65.2/58.5/61.8/59.8/58.6/59.6
      • K Willis SS - welcome back young man!!!
        • 100%/100%/68%/NA/26%/97%/100%/22%/NA/NA/NA/NA/87%
        • 40.6/47.0/41.1/NA/NA/37.5/49.0/52.3/50.5/NA/NA/NA/NA/54.8
      • G Odum - 
        • NA/NA/3%/NA/14%/3%/21%/78%/100%/64%/91%/94%/13%
        • NA/NA/60.0/ NA/50.5/51.9/59.6/71.4/64.2/58.8/69.8/60.6/61.2
      • J Addae - 
        • DNP 1-9/15%/9%/NA/13%
        • DNP 1-9/47.6/53.2/NA/55.0
      • J Jones -  
        • DNP 1-9/23%/9%/NA/NA/
        • DNP 1-9/28.7/30.0/NA/NA/


Decluttering.... Parking some of the injured, PS, and inactive guys down here going forward. Will move them back up if they are reinserted later.

 

Offense
P Campbell WR - 
61%/NA/80%/44%/55%/10%/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
62.6/NA/56.9/53.8/60.1/63.1/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
M Strachan WR -  
24%/51%/NA/7%/3%/NA/NA/NA/5%/NA/NA/
75.2/62.3/NA/61.9/61.8/NA/NA/NA/61.7/NA/NA/
Keke Coutee
NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/6%/NA/NA/NA/NA/
NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/58.0/NA/NA/NA/NA/
D Harris WR
NA/3%/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
M Mack RB -  
NA/19%/NA/31%/14%/19%/6%/1%/NA/NA/
NA/53.8/NA/57.9/60.8/58.4/56.7/56.4/NA/NA/
J Davenport T - 
100%/100%/72%/58%/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
59.8(2)/43.0(2)/47.4(2)/47.2(3)/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/

Defense
M Adams
DNP 1-10/ 2%/NA/NA/
NPP 1-10/60.6/NA/NA/
C Williams - 
NA/NA/18%/6%/14%/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
NA/NA/55.5/55.3/50.4/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
K Davis - 
NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/8%/ Cut
NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/56.4/NA/ Cut
T Lewis DE -  
54%/54%/78%/83%/81%/67%/59%/16% - Out for season
66.7/69.7/79.5/76.4/76.2(2)/72.9(2)/70.4(2)/71.8(3)
B Keyes -  
NA/NA/NA/2%/7%/3%/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
NA/NA/NA/60.0/25.9/26.2/NA/NA/NA/NA/NA/
A Chesley - 
NA/NA/NA/NA/41%/NA/14%/NA/4%/NA/NA/
NA/NA/NA/NA/62.1/NA/67.4/NA/71.6/NA/NA/
J Blackmon FS -   
100%/100%/97%/100%/96%/100%/Out for season
53.4/64.6/64.4/60.9/57.8/60.7/Out for season


 

Uh ....who has the time or would want to look at the above????!    I dont buy into the PFF analytics.  Just lineup and play ball.

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54 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said:

Wonder what kept Willis score from being even higher, he looked great from what I could tell. I know it was just the Texans but what a game from him. Hopefully he keeps it up down the stretch.

Yup. No sure either. He didn't get targeted that much, but did well when they did throw his way (once or twice?). 

I know they had him blitzing several times, and he never really got a pressure. Maybe that factored. He was good in tackling from what I recall. 

 

Big test for him next weekend though. Glad he got a game under his belt before facing NE. 

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10 hours ago, jszfunk said:

Uh ....who has the time or would want to look at the above????!    I dont buy into the PFF analytics.  Just lineup and play ball.

Speak for yourself. This is probably my (and I’m sureothers) favorite thread each week. And I could be wrong but it cost money to subscribe to PFF so the OP is doing us a big favor. 

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19 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Love our top 5, but it hurts my soul a little not seeing Q in the 90s or high 80s lol....

Love seeing 2 sophomores and 1 frosh in our top 5

 

 

 

 

What do you think of the ultra poor grades they give Q ? Both pass and run blocking are very low. I know he hasn't been the same guy this year (injuries) but I'm not buying their rating of him.

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1 hour ago, dw49 said:

What do you think of the ultra poor grades they give Q ? Both pass and run blocking are very low. I know he hasn't been the same guy this year (injuries) but I'm not buying their rating of him.

Overall he's got a clean sheet for the year, so he's doing his job in pass pro. But he is allowing pressures at times which he rarely did in previous years. He's also not near as dominating in run blocking this year. It showed more earlier than now. I think the bye will really really make a difference.

 

But if I'm being honest, I think he's done a masterful job all year given the situation (injury, and having to help Fisher a lot). And I also think he's starting to look more like his old self lately. In short, I understand the grades. We all know who he is when healthy, so I sure in the hell won't doubt him. Starting the year going 100% snaps on a bad foot. Then IR and immediately back to 100% snaps. He'll be fine. I agree with the grades, but they just don't matter a lot given the individual and situation. 

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50 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Overall he's got a clean sheet for the year, so he's doing his job in pass pro. But he is allowing pressures at times which he rarely did in previous years. He's also not near as dominating in run blocking this year. It showed more earlier than now. I think the bye will really really make a difference.

 

But if I'm being honest, I think he's done a masterful job all year given the situation (injury, and having to help Fisher a lot). And I also think he's starting to look more like his old self lately. In short, I understand the grades. We all know who he is when healthy, so I sure in the hell won't doubt him. Starting the year going 100% snaps on a bad foot. Then IR and immediately back to 100% snaps. He'll be fine. I agree with the grades, but they just don't matter a lot given the individual and situation. 

When opponents call you sir like we saw on hard Knocks this week you know the respect runs deep around the league.   I never worry about Q, no matter what his grade comes in at you know he is taking care of business.

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9 minutes ago, holeymoley99 said:

When opponents call you sir like we saw on hard Knocks this week you know the respect runs deep around the league.   I never worry about Q, no matter what his grade comes in at you know he is taking care of business.

Same here. We all know what he is. A down year of grades due to injury doesn't change that. 

Just hope the bye does him good, and hope he returns to previous form next year. 

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17 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Same here. We all know what he is. A down year of grades due to injury doesn't change that. 

Just hope the bye does him good, and hope he returns to previous form next year. 

I’ve watched some film on Nelson and what I’m seeing is he isn’t locking up his block like he has in his past.  Players are releasing off him or able to turn his shoulders more and start to escape by him.  I’m sure that is due to his injuries bc with a bad ankle he can’t plant and anchor so having to use more back strength and that is bothering him as well.  You called it that he needs rest and hopefully the bye week will help him.  Should be an important offseason for him to get his body right as he approaches his 2nd contract and peak part of his career.  

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5 hours ago, AwesomeAustin said:

I’ve watched some film on Nelson and what I’m seeing is he isn’t locking up his block like he has in his past.  Players are releasing off him or able to turn his shoulders more and start to escape by him.  I’m sure that is due to his injuries bc with a bad ankle he can’t plant and anchor so having to use more back strength and that is bothering him as well.  You called it that he needs rest and hopefully the bye week will help him.  Should be an important offseason for him to get his body right as he approaches his 2nd contract and peak part of his career.  

 

Hoping he gets some time on his back. Or with a couple cocktails in the hot tub lol...

And agree with your film comments. Saw pretty much the same. The double whammy of foot and back sucks for an OL.

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On 12/13/2021 at 8:32 PM, EastStreet said:

Would like to see how he looked from week 1 till now...

 

 

While that's a nice tweet, here's the leaders to put that 15.5% into perspective. 

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I wonder what they were their respective rookie years?  Be cool to compare (I hope)

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One thing to consider when weighing pff  grades is they don’t take into account who you are up against for example a receiver who catches or makes a play facing Ramsey gets the same grade as one facing Joe Schmo.  Should average out over time I imagine though. 

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