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Now that we are deep into the CFB season, I was wondering if anyone had any guys for the Colts they really liked so far. It’s November so it’s the perfect time to get the hype trains started. I got two guys so far

 

1. Kaiir Elam, CB Florida- I know Florida CB’s haven’t worked out at the next level since Joe Haden, but Elam is a different breed. He’s the most physical corner they’ve probably ever had and he’s also relentless tackler and hitter. Plays the ball very well too. He’s also super long, being listed at 6’2”.

 

2. Cole Turner, TE Nevada- This guy is a prototypical NFL TE. Big guy who can work all three levels of the field. Also his hands are outstanding on film. Haven’t seen anything on his run blocking yet, but that’s fine.

 

Feel free to add yours.

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1. David Bell, WR, Purdue - Perhaps not the speediest receiver out there, but the Indy far eastside product regularly beats coverage and makes big plays.  Right now, he's early-mid 2nd round.  Am going to be very interested in his combine 40-yd time.

 

2. Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington - Not necessarily on the larger side, but is a heady zone corner, who makes few mistakes.  Right now, is projected to be gone by the time we pick in the 2nd, but you never know.

 

3. Jordan Davis, DL1T, Georgia - No, we don't need a DL1T.  We've got Grover Stewart.  Except, that Davis is bigger and better.  A mammoth man who can move, and swallow offensive linemen whole.

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I really like Ahmad Gardner. He is a CB from Cincinnati. He most likely goes in R1 so the Colts will not be able to get him. He is big, athletic, and tough. Supposedly an alpha type personality which is especially good for a CB.

 

JH mentioned David Bell and I really like him too.

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3 hours ago, ar7 said:

I really like Ahmad Gardner. He is a CB from Cincinnati. He most likely goes in R1 so the Colts will not be able to get him. He is big, athletic, and tough. Supposedly an alpha type personality which is especially good for a CB.

 

JH mentioned David Bell and I really like him too.

Will have to research Gardner. I know Cincinnati has a great secondary overall, so I’m curious to see if he jumps off the tape.

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A few here: 

 

Offense:

Kenny Pickett QB from Purdue

Justyn Ross WR from Clemson

John Metchie WR from Alabama

Zay Flowers WR from Boston College

 

Defense: 

Nik Bonitto EDGE from Oklahoma

George Karlaftis EDGE from Purdue

Derek Stingley Jr CB from LSU

Trent McDuffie CB from Washington
Jordan Battle S from Alabama

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Disclaimer my PFF grades are a few weeks outdated but should be close 

 

OL

RT Max Mitchell - PFF Week 3 TOW, PFF Week 3, 5 OL – TOW.  PFF grade 94.1 with 83.2 PBLK and 93.7 RBLK grades

LG Josh Rivas (Kansas St) – PFF Season grade 77.7

OC John Michael Schmitz (Minnesota) – PFF grade 87.6 with a 75.7 PBLK and 85.6 RBLK grades

RG O’Cyrus Torrence (Louisiana Ragin’ Cajuns) – Sophomore – 2021 PFF grade 90.5 with a 82.6 PBLK and 91.4 RBLK grades 

RG Ben Brown – Team Captain and very reliable making his 37th+ consecutive start

 

RB

RB Kenneth Walker III (Michigan St) – PFF Season grade 87.8

RB Breece Hall (Iowa St) – PFF Season grade 82.2

RB Zach Charbonnet (UCLA) – PFF Season grade 85.2

RB Jerrion Ealy (Ole Miss) – PFF Season grade 81.7 - PFF Week 3 TOW

RB Isaiah Spiller (Texas A&M) – PFF Season grade 78.3

RB Kennedy Brooks (Oklahoma) – Top-rated break away threats in FBS

RB Max Borghi (Washington St) - Dual back WR threat known for breaking tackles after the catch, had low drop rate among FBS with 2.3% in 2019.  Earned 80.6 receiving grade and an 80.0 grade as a runner

 

 

TE

TE Isaiah Likely (Coastal Carolina) R81 – 95.9 season grade – PFF Week 5, 6 TOW

TE Trey McBride (Colorado St) 92.5 offensive grade with 74/73 grades in both run/pass blocking

TE Derrick Deese Jr (San Jose St) 90.3 offensive grade with 74/79 grades in both run/pass blocking

TE Greg Dulcich (UCLA) - PFF grade 65.7 in Week 1 – in 2020 second overall in YPC in the country.  A former WR turned TE added weight gain in muscle mass.  Good strength and footwork in run blocking.  If he declares watch out for this guy.

 

WR

WR Drake London – PFF Season grade 90.2 - PFF Week 5, 6 TOW

WR Jahan Dotson -  PFF Season grade 80.4

WR David Bell – PFF Season grade 82.9 - PFF Week 7 TOW

WR Dontay Demus JR – PFF Season grade 78.0

WR Romeo Doubs – PFF Season grade 75.1, - PFF Week 8 TOW

WR Treylon Burks (Arkansas)

WR Jaquarii Roberson (Wake Forest)

WR Josh Downs (UNC), Sophomore

WR Khalil Shakir

 

LB

LB Nakobe Dean R24 - PFF Season grade 87.7 - PFF Week 5, 9 TOW. 90.2 DEF, 80.5 RDEF, 90.6 PRUSH, and 79.9 COV

LB Devin Lloyd - PFF Season grade 86.7 - PFF Week 4 TOW

MLB Chad Muma - PFF Season grade 90.8 ADP 50 - PFF Week 3, 6 TOW.  Earned a PFF grades of 90.9 DEF, 90.4 RDEF, 57.8 PRUSH, 90.4 COV - upgrade over Okereke

ILB Leo Chenal (Wisconsin) - Earned a PFF grades of 91.6 DEF, 94.3 RDEF, 92.8 PRUSH, 59.5 COV.  Versus Purdue he had 9 tackles, 5.5 TKFL, 3.5 sacks - Reminds me of Okereke

WLB DeMarvion Overshown (Texas)

WLB Olakunle Fatukasi (Rutgers)

SLB Merlin Robertson (Arizona St)

SLB Adam Anderson (Georgia)

SLB Jestin Jacobs (Iowa)

SLB Jalen Graham (Purdue) - PFF Week 9 TOW

 

IDL

DL Jordan Davis (Georgia)- PFF Season grade 84.8

DL Travis Jones - PFF Season grade 89.5

DL Logan Hall (Houtson) - PFF Season grade 75.7

DL Matthew Butler (Tennessee) - PFF Season grade 76.4 - PFF Week 2 TOW

DL Dante Stills (West Virginia)

 

Edge

Edge Kinglsey Enagbare -PFF Season grade 91.3 - PFF Week 5 TOW

Edge Nik Bonitto - PFF Season grade 91.3

Edge Arnold Ebiketie (PSU) - PFF Season grade 88.4

Edge Zachary Carter (Florida)- PFF Season grade 86.4

Edge Taylor Riggins (Buffalo Bulls) - plays mostly strong-side in 3-point stance - PFF grades of 92.2 DEF, 86.6 RDEF, 91.6 PRUSH, 60.0 COV

Edge Jermaine Johnson (Florida State)

Edge Amaré Barno (Virginia Tech)

Edge Sam Williams (Ole Miss) 

Edge Mitchell Agude (UCLA) - Knack for *

 

SAF

SS Jaquan Brisker - PFF Season grade 85.2

FS Lewis Cine - PFF Season grade 82.5

SS Nick Cross - PFF Season grade 73.6

ROVER-SS/LB Traveon Redd (Wake Forest) PFF grade 88.4 with 65.2 RDEF, 74.7 PRUSH, and 92.2 COV

FS Daxton Hill (Michigan)

FS Bralen Trahan (Louisiana Ragin' Cajun) - Impressive 2020

FS Verone McKinley III - Earned Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Week in Week 3.  PFF graded him 80.1 overall with an 88.5 grade in pass-coverage

 

CB

CB Roger McCreary - PFF Season grade 82.3

CB Trent McDuffie - PFF Season grade 78.2

CB Ahmad Gardner - PFF Season grade 76.1

CB Kyler Gordon - PFF Season grade 76.1

CB Martin Emerson - PFF Season grade 75.7

CB Matt Hankins - PFF Week 2, 6 TOW

CB Coby Bryant - PFF Week 7 TOW

 

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13 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

Will have to research Gardner. I know Cincinnati has a great secondary overall, so I’m curious to see if he jumps off the tape.

Gardner's been racing up the boards on Draftek.  He started out the year mid-2nd, down with McDuffie.  But as the Bearcats have gained more and more national prominence, he's moved up and up the point where he's now #8 overall on their Big Board.

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Malik Wills. We 1) probably wouldn't be able to pick him 2) almost certainly won't be taking a qb  but he has been outstanding for Liberty.

 

Jahan Dotson is a catching machine at psu. already with 60 catches, 11 against osu, 10 against auburn

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Jaquan Brisker- Safety-Penn State. 

 

The 6-foot-1, 203-pound safety has earned PFF grades of 82.0 and 82.8 in his two years as a Nittany Lion, forming one of the five best two-year marks in the FBS. Brisker also owns 85.0-plus grades against the run and in coverage over the last couple of years, something no other Power Five safety has managed.

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2 hours ago, landrus13 said:

I'd love to see the Colts get David Bell from Purdue. He's a beast. Probably won't last until we pick this year but I'll continue to hope.

I love David Bell. Such a smooth receiver. Him, Pittman, along with a speedy Hilton type player would make our receiving core a real threat. 

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Hey, I did a mock on PFN Mock Draft Simulator, this is who I got:

 

45. Rasheed Walker, OT, Penn State

84. John Metchie III, WR, Alabama (trade with Patriots)

115. Kyle Gordon, CB, Washington (good press CB in Pac-12)

122. Charlie Kolar, TE, Iowa State (very productive TE over the years)

156. Zakoby McClain, LB, Auburn (ideal nickel LB like a Jaguars Telvin Smith type for coverage, flies around)

227. Logan Hall, DE/DT, Houston (long 6'6", 268 lbs, defensive tackle with good burst)

234. D'Vonte Price, RB, Florida International (extremely productive between the tackles RB to replace Mack)

255. Peyton Hendershot, TE, Indiana (reminds me a lot of Jack Doyle but more capable on receiving end)

 

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On 11/3/2021 at 1:44 PM, John Hammonds said:

1. David Bell, WR, Purdue - Perhaps not the speediest receiver out there, but the Indy far eastside product regularly beats coverage and makes big plays.  Right now, he's early-mid 2nd round.  Am going to be very interested in his combine 40-yd time.

 

2. Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington - Not necessarily on the larger side, but is a heady zone corner, who makes few mistakes.  Right now, is projected to be gone by the time we pick in the 2nd, but you never know.

 

3. Jordan Davis, DL1T, Georgia - No, we don't need a DL1T.  We've got Grover Stewart.  Except, that Davis is bigger and better.  A mammoth man who can move, and swallow offensive linemen whole.

 

 I'm not a Purdue fan whatsoever. But I LOVE Bell. 

 

Even as a 16 yr old Soph in HS, the kid reminded me some of Reggie Wayne (NOT comparing them, just noting Bell's deceptive 'play' speed, smoothness out of his breaks, 

body control and sticky hands).

 

Not saying he'll even get to that level. But he's got the tools to eventually be a top

level WR-'1B' in the NFL.

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New guy on my watch list today:

ILB DeMarvion Overshown, Texas

 

He's also on @OhioColt's Big PFF List above.

 

6-4, 217#.  Tall and long, and a bit undersized.  Former defensive back, and plays like it.  He's got some interceptions, passes broken up, blitz sacks.  Seems like a perfect build for an ILB in our scheme.  (In case the honeymoon is over with Okereke)  2021 Butkus Award preseason watch list.

 

Definitely worth a look.

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On 11/6/2021 at 7:04 PM, John Hammonds said:

Starting to take a good look at WR Jahan Dotson Penn State.

He looks a whole lot like T.Y. to me.  5-11 and only 184#.  4.32 speed.

Averages 17 yds/reception.

Big play guy.  HUGE play guy.

But has a small catch radius, and has potential issues catching in traffic.

We need a healthy, get-separation guy on this team......  Dotson would seem to be that type

 

 

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Where the Watch List stands today (with current Draftek rankings included)

8 - Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati; 6-2 190

20 - Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington; 5-11 190

24 - David Bell, WR, Purdue; 6-2 210

32 - Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn St; 5-11 180

33 - Jordan Davis, DL1T, Georgia; 6-5 330

35 - Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn; 6-0 193

38 - Jordan Battle, S, Alabama, 6-1 206

40 - Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida; 6-2 192

52 - Jaxson Kirkland, OT, Washington; 6-6 295

74 - DeMarvion Overshawn, ILB, Texas; 6-4 217

78 - Zion Nelson, OT, Miami; 6-5 312

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On 11/30/2021 at 2:31 PM, Defjamz26 said:

I know we have no shot at him, but I loved Aiden Hutchinson last year before injury and he’s Been amazing this season. They say he’ll be a top 5 pick. That guys a game wrecker though.

Yeah, I remember watching Kwity Paye and being very impressed with Hutchinson. I had some hopes that we could reunite them in Indy but that hope is all but gone now. First we are not going to keep our first round pick, and second Hutchinson is not getting out of the top 15 or thereabout IMO.

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On 11/15/2021 at 7:19 PM, John Hammonds said:

New guy on my watch list today:

ILB DeMarvion Overshown, Texas

 

He's also on @OhioColt's Big PFF List above.

 

6-4, 217#.  Tall and long, and a bit undersized.  Former defensive back, and plays like it.  He's got some interceptions, passes broken up, blitz sacks.  Seems like a perfect build for an ILB in our scheme.  (In case the honeymoon is over with Okereke)  2021 Butkus Award preseason watch list.

 

Definitely worth a look.

Darius plays around 218 or 220 so not to worried about size. He might get into a pro strength system and add 5 but I would want him to stay fast and mobile for that pass defense side that Okereke struggles with. I like him though. Where do you think he goes?

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22 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

Darius plays around 218 or 220 so not to worried about size. He might get into a pro strength system and add 5 but I would want him to stay fast and mobile for that pass defense side that Okereke struggles with. I like him though. Where do you think he goes?

The problem is that Overshown may be scheme dependent.  He's not really fast enough to play safety.  He's not big enough to play 3-4 OLB and pass rush is not his game.  He'd still be limited in a 3-4 ILB role due to his size.  He hasn't made a name for himself as a tackling "god", so the Darius Leonard/Derrick Brooks Tampa-2 OLB spot may not fit.  He's more designed for the Tampa-2 deep zone ILB that Okereke plays.  A linebacker with the speed and instincts of a safety.

The horrifying worst case scenario is that he winds up being a Jabril Peppers.  A safety/linebacker tweener that is a demon in college, but can't find a true position at the pro level.

I hope he finds his nitch.  But I think it'll be tricky.

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Starting preliminary reading on CBs and FSs.  For round 2 and 3.

 

CBs:  Take two, one early, one late.

 

Alontae Taylor, Tennessee

Jalyn Armour Davis.  Bama

Kyler Gordon, Washington

Sam Webb Missouri Western State (later)

Cam Taylor Britt, Nebraska (later)

 

FS:

 

Isiah Pola-Moa, USC

Yusuf Corker, KY

Lewis Cine, UGA

Nick Grant, Virginia

 

 

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UPDATE -- Watch List DraftTek ranking 4 weeks later

8 - Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati; 6-2 190  Currently 10 (down 2) - expecting it to drop a whole lot more when he does his 40 time

20 - Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington; 5-11 190  Currently 59 (down 39) - the rumors of his lack of height are true!

24 - David Bell, WR, Purdue; 6-2 210  Currently 21 (up 3) - Peeps still like him, but he's gonna have a hard 40 time too

32 - Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn St; 5-11 180  Currently 39 (down 7) - is it his height? or bowl game prospects?

33 - Jordan Davis, DL1T, Georgia; 6-5 330  Currently 20 (up 13) - playing in the Big Bowl Games

35 - Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn; 6-0 193 Currently 26 (up 9) - after big battle with 'Bama

38 - Jordan Battle, S, Alabama, 6-1 206 Currently 44 (down 6) - a big Battle with 'Bama (I see what you did there!)

40 - Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida; 6-2 192 Currently 48 (down 8) - a little more out of the spotlight

52 - Jaxson Kirkland, OT, Washington; 6-6 295 Currently 63 (down 11) - also out of the spotlight

74 - DeMarvion Overshawn, ILB, Texas; 6-4 217 Announced return to Texas for 2022 season

78 - Zion Nelson, OT, Miami; 6-5 312 Currently 101 (down 23) - bottom dropped out on him

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2022 is supposed to be pretty good with safeties but does anyone know about tight end? As i've been reading more about the prospects for 2022 it seems like the draft might have some decent tight end prospects for day 2 and early on in day 3 of the draft.

 

Defjamz26 mentioned Cole Turner to start off the thread. The are some others like Cade Otton, Austin Stogner, Josh Whyle, Jeremy Ruckert, and Jake Ferguson. Plus the other tight ends mentioned in earlier posts.

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On 12/1/2021 at 7:10 PM, DougDew said:

Starting preliminary reading on CBs and FSs.  For round 2 and 3.

 

CBs:  Take two, one early, one late.

 

Alontae Taylor, Tennessee

Jalyn Armour Davis.  Bama

Kyler Gordon, Washington

Sam Webb Missouri Western State (later)

Cam Taylor Britt, Nebraska (later)

 

Stay away from Britt, I have seen him get burned so many times and he isn’t a good tackler ether!

 

Nebraska te Austin Allen 6’ 7” 250 declared for the draft. Not sure where he will be slotted, but would love the colts to get him. He set the Nebraska te receptions record playing with a very erratic qb.

 

tight ends seem to be dominating the nfl passing game now. A 2-3 te offense on every down would be very hard to defend with the colts running game. 6’ 5” plus te’s are very tough for lb’s or cb’s to cover and they could slow the outside speed rush.

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15 hours ago, husker61 said:

Stay away from Britt, I have seen him get burned so many times and he isn’t a good tackler ether!

 

Nebraska te Austin Allen 6’ 7” 250 declared for the draft. Not sure where he will be slotted, but would love the colts to get him. He set the Nebraska te receptions record playing with a very erratic qb.

 

tight ends seem to be dominating the nfl passing game now. A 2-3 te offense on every down would be very hard to defend with the colts running game. 6’ 5” plus te’s are very tough for lb’s or cb’s to cover and they could slow the outside speed rush.

Yeah, I think Allen is 6'9", not 6'7"?.  Looked really good and I'd take him with our 2nd round pick this year if the combine numbers and value warrant it.  3rd or 4th round, where ever the value is, I'd be for taking him.

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On 12/16/2021 at 5:47 PM, John Hammonds said:

UPDATE -- Watch List DraftTek ranking 4 weeks later

8 - Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati; 6-2 190  Currently 10 (down 2) - expecting it to drop a whole lot more when he does his 40 time

20 - Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington; 5-11 190  Currently 59 (down 39) - the rumors of his lack of height are true!

24 - David Bell, WR, Purdue; 6-2 210  Currently 21 (up 3) - Peeps still like him, but he's gonna have a hard 40 time too

32 - Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn St; 5-11 180  Currently 39 (down 7) - is it his height? or bowl game prospects?

33 - Jordan Davis, DL1T, Georgia; 6-5 330  Currently 20 (up 13) - playing in the Big Bowl Games

35 - Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn; 6-0 193 Currently 26 (up 9) - after big battle with 'Bama

38 - Jordan Battle, S, Alabama, 6-1 206 Currently 44 (down 6) - a big Battle with 'Bama (I see what you did there!)

40 - Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida; 6-2 192 Currently 48 (down 8) - a little more out of the spotlight

52 - Jaxson Kirkland, OT, Washington; 6-6 295 Currently 63 (down 11) - also out of the spotlight

74 - DeMarvion Overshawn, ILB, Texas; 6-4 217 Announced return to Texas for 2022 season

78 - Zion Nelson, OT, Miami; 6-5 312 Currently 101 (down 23) - bottom dropped out on him

Elam dropping is good news for us. I’d love to have him.

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Adding a new guy to my Watch List:

Wan'Dale Robinson, WR, Kentucky

Transfer from Nebraska.  5-11 (if he stands up tall), 185#.  Runs a 4.3 40.  Gets downfield in a hurry.  Very slippery after the catch.  Breaks tackles well for a small guy.  Good guy to watch on New Years Day bowl game.

Ranked 96th on DraftTek; 69th on Tankathon.

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Watching the national championship game. Lewis Cine has been tremendous. Flying around the field, making plays around the line of scrimmage, in the run game, in the pass game, deflecting passes, delivering devastating blows to ballcarriers. I LOVE what I am seeing of him. I wouldn't mind it if we ended up with him in the draft. But I feel like he won't last to 50. 

 

Also, Pickens has a lot of talent. From what I remember there are some injury and off-field concerns with him, but if he starts falling he's a good flyer to take on day 3 IMO. Hell if the off-field stuff checks out you can probably draft him on day 2 too.

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On 12/26/2021 at 9:34 AM, John Hammonds said:

Adding a new guy to my Watch List:

Wan'Dale Robinson, WR, Kentucky

Transfer from Nebraska.  5-11 (if he stands up tall), 185#.  Runs a 4.3 40.  Gets downfield in a hurry.  Very slippery after the catch.  Breaks tackles well for a small guy.  Good guy to watch on New Years Day bowl game.

Ranked 96th on DraftTek; 69th on Tankathon.

He will probably be there at our pick in round 2......  IMHO a perfect fit

 

If you havent watched his tape, do so

 

I think he is similar to TY

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