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I know he is only a 4th round pick, but 3 receptions for 22 yards on the season is a bit underwhelming. You cant even really say he has contributed much as a blocker because that isnt his game.

I know we are feeding MAC and Doyle is getting in on the action where he can, but Granson was arguably why we let Trey Burton go, who had the familiarity with the system, wasnt THAT old and made a few big plays last year. 

I wasn't expecting him to come in and light it up or anything, but he has been invisible this season thus far, except for a few plays in his direction.

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8 minutes ago, Chucklez said:

I know he is only a 4th round pick, but 3 receptions for 22 yards on the season is a bit underwhelming. You cant even really say he has contributed much as a blocker because that isnt his game.

I know we are feeding MAC and Doyle is getting in on the action where he can, but Granson was arguably why we let Trey Burton go, who had the familiarity with the system, wasnt THAT old and made a few big plays last year. 

I wasn't expecting him to come in and light it up or anything, but he has been invisible this season thus far, except for a few plays in his direction.

I'm more disappointed with his usage. How can any player progress or regress if they aren't getting any playing time?

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It's hard to gauge why he isn't producing more. Is it Reich and the use of the TE position? Is it him learning the playbook? Is it blocking? There is a multitude of a reasons. If I had to guess it's the blocking and speed of the game. He wasn't the fastest to begin with and could have trouble separating. MAC has stepped up big time and has forced Reich's hand with utilization. Cuz prior too we had been begging for more TE usage.

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There are two good TEs ahead of him on the depth chart.  Very few 4th round picks contribute immediately.  This is one of those instances where delayed gratification is true.  I don’t expect we will see much of him this year unless there is an injury.  Next year and the following year will be when we can expect production. 

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Give it some time.  He's a Frank player and the players Frank has lobbied for have been pretty good.  Wentz and Rivers have both been successes.  Pittman is a success.  Campbell can play, he just can't stay healthy.  

 

Maybe Ballard should let Frank pick a pass rusher.

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As a general thought, I don't like players who are specialists.  It kind of telegraphs what they are going to do when they are in the game.  I get that if its a game planning thing, where we are going up against slow-ish LBers and Ss, Granson is a player on the roster who we start at TE and feed the ball to.  Outside of that, I like players who are versatile enough to stay in all three downs.  No expectations of tendencies based upon personnel packages.

 

Specialties is also a reason I'm biased against Hines.  Or deep-ball hawk only Safeties.

 

Honestly, I don't know where these offensive specialists fit in if we are going to have three versatile WRs in TY, PC, and Pitt, and blocking and receiving TE in Doyle/Mo, and a versatile running/pass catching RB in JT.  

 

Their snaps and contribution seem inherently limited, unless we go up against a defense that has a glaring weakness.

 

That applies to pass rushing specialists too.

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15 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:


Lets not forget….

 

At this point last year, people were disappointed in Michael Pittman.   “He’s not a #1 Receiver”

 

And people were disappointed in Jonathan Taylor.  “He’s just another running back from Wisconsin.  Very good in college, disappointing in the NFL.

 

And that was just one year ago. 
 

Patience can really be a virtue….

Yep there was 1 poster in here that was convinced that JT stunk and was sort of like Trent. Some have 0 patience. Granson is just a rookie and Mo is just simply better.

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21 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:


Lets not forget….

 

At this point last year, people were disappointed in Michael Pittman.   “He’s not a #1 Receiver”

 

And people were disappointed in Jonathan Taylor.  “He’s just another running back from Wisconsin.  Very good in college, disappointing in the NFL.

 

And that was just one year ago. 
 

Patience can really be a virtue….

But... but... but...

I wanted to bring up my "we should have drafted Freiermuth" thing again.

No?

Ok, I'll go over here and sit in a corner.

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Granson will be fine. He’s just going to have to wait his turn. Unfortunately, it will most likely be an injury to Mo or Doyle that opens the door. That’s how things are on this team when it comes to the TE position; it’s not a critical part of the passing game. And remember that Granson’s weakness coming to the NFL was his blocking. Both Doyle and Mo are solid blockers, which is what the Colts most value in a TE. 
 

The Colts are very aware of how thin they are at TE on the 53 man squad. They have THREE Of them on the practice squad at the moment. I have little doubt that they can all block. So while Granson’s opportunity is coming, he’ll still need to improve his blocking skills to see the playing field more than on occasional third downs. 

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Do you like Mo Cox? Signed as an UDFA in 2017

 

Here are his numbers in 2018....

7 rec for 133 yards.

11 rec for 93 yards year 2

It wasn't till year 3 that he broke out

 

Will Granson get there? Don't know. My suggestion is....chillax. 

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I didn't like it when the Colts selected him.   I can't give a great reason why but something I didn't like.   Maybe it was his inability to block well.   Anyway, I'm not really disappointed because I didn't expect much.

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1 hour ago, Myles said:

I didn't like it when the Colts selected him.   I can't give a great reason why but something I didn't like.   Maybe it was his inability to block well.   Anyway, I'm not really disappointed because I didn't expect much.

 

I loved the pick but i also understand how long it takes for rookies at every position to get moving. TE might be the position on offense that takes the most time to get going. He'll be good, we need to give it time.

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3 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

I think anyone disappointed in Granson hasn't got a clue how long it takes for rookie TEs to hit their stride in this league.

 

I'm not expecting him to become a major contributor till year 3.

 

3 hours ago, TheNextGM said:

fourth round pick in week 8 and we talking about being frustrated with him?
 

think schitts creek GIF by CBC

 

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4 hours ago, Wentzszn said:

If he was getting more snaps that would be less of Mo. I don’t think anyone wants that. Wentz did just miss Granson on what would of been a really big play Sunday. It was just a bad throw. 

Wentz is going to get criticized no matter what he does because we had Peyton then Luck. I do the same thing. He had Pittman wide open against the Texans running down the middle and didn't see him early in the game. I posted that but nobody is perfect, Peyton threw an INT in the SB that sealed the win for NO, even GOATS make mistakes. Luck had several odd INT's but because we were going 11-5 every year nobody cared. I am about winning and Peyton and Luck did that is about 70% of the time combined. Rivers went 11-5 as well. Wentz has that potential, he just needs to stay healthy.

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13 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Wentz is going to get criticized no matter what he does because we had Peyton then Luck. I do the same thing. He had Pittman wide open against the Texans running down the middle and didn't see him early in the game. I posted that but nobody is perfect, Peyton threw an INT in the SB that sealed the win for NO, even GOATS make mistakes. Luck had several odd INT's but because we were going 11-5 every year nobody cared. I am about winning and Peyton and Luck did that is about 70% of the time combined. Rivers went 11-5 as well. Wentz has that potential, he just needs to stay healthy.

I am not criticizing Wentz for missing the throw. Just making a note he did have him on a play Sunday. Every QB is going to miss some throws during the game.

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4 hours ago, CR91 said:

This whole draft was meh from the start. You can only hope Paye and Dayo develop.

 

Seriously?, we are in week 8 and y'all are already writing off this years draft. 

 

I'd say this draft has been solid so far:

1st Kwity is the top ranked rookie DL according to pff

2nd Dayo is an unknown

4th Granson is in one of the hardest positions to transition to the NFL but can develop behind MAC and Doyle

5th Davis is Meh

6th Coaches seem to like Ehlinger as a future backup

7th Strachan may end up being a solid player/depth player which is a find in the 7th round

7th Fries we will see

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35 minutes ago, Zoltan said:

 

Seriously?, we are in week 8 and y'all are already writing off this years draft. 

 

I'd say this draft has been solid so far:

1st Kwity is the top ranked rookie DL according to pff

2nd Dayo is an unknown

4th Granson is in one of the hardest positions to transition to the NFL but can develop behind MAC and Doyle

5th Davis is Meh

6th Coaches seem to like Ehlinger as a future backup

7th Strachan may end up being a solid player/depth player which is a find in the 7th round

7th Fries we will see

 

Not writing it off, but not exactly star-studded. Only ones I expect anything from are Paye and Dayo.

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10 hours ago, Chucklez said:

I know he is only a 4th round pick, but 3 receptions for 22 yards on the season is a bit underwhelming. You cant even really say he has contributed much as a blocker because that isnt his game.

I know we are feeding MAC and Doyle is getting in on the action where he can, but Granson was arguably why we let Trey Burton go, who had the familiarity with the system, wasnt THAT old and made a few big plays last year. 

I wasn't expecting him to come in and light it up or anything, but he has been invisible this season thus far, except for a few plays in his direction.


How can we be disappointed with a rookie who isn’t really seeing the field? He doesn’t have a large enough sample size of snaps to even give him a fair grade.

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Wouldn't say "disappointed" for two reasons.

 

  1. he's a rook, so simply too early to tell
  2. I really didn't like the pick to begin with 

 

Why didn't I like the pick?

  1. I thought he was a bad fit for what I though Reich would try to do with him. He was used mostly as a vertical weapon in college, and I figured he would try to change him into Burton 2.0 and be more or less the HB/slot guy who was mostly running shallow routes... So far that is what has happened. And I don't think he has the speed or height to be used vertically...
  2. I never liked Burton's use either to begin with. I thought we forced too much 1st read play calls to him last year, and thought we had better options for that field zone. And those forced plays took away from true slot playmaker plays, and also took away from prototypical TE use.... 
  3. He had drop issues, which I though might get worse with the way Reich would use him (as HB, slot, etc)

 

Anyway, I hope he develops. I just don't expect much though. It would be nice though to have a rabid bully slot type if he did develop. 

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time. his time will come.

 

but even when he does get better, he probably isn't a possesion TE. I can already imagine in my non-psychic mind that we will drop a lot of contested catches. But will also be a mismatch most of the time. Mixed bag i guess. Let's see which one will outweigh the other. I think we definitely need to chill and wait though. Like someone else said, Reich has done pretty good with the talented drafted on the offensive side of the ball. 

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Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I know, but I was just pointing out everyone makes mistakes. No biggy Chloe.

Yeah no QB Is ever perfect every game. Not even elite ones. I do they are trying to get Granson more involved. Carson will need to gain more trust in him and that comes in practice.

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