Week 5 football

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Lmao

 

 

[RollerColt]

Missed the Bengals game @NFLfan (had to drive from Chicago to Southeast Indiana today), but I’m happy to hear Burrow was at least able to go toe to toe with Rodgers. That kid has a bright future with his buddy Chase on the team. 
 

Some really good games today. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

It was fun watching all the games today with no stress  but it just delays the grief until tomorrow.

[NFLfan]

1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

 I think he's very capable of being decent if the team protects him, and allows him to be what he is, which is a pocket passer. He reminds me of Mac Jones kinda. He's just not a mobile kid. He was the #1 kid coming out of HS back in 2017ish. Going to Stanford kinda killed his stock IMO. Had he stayed in the SE and went to football factory, he'd likely be a big name.

 

If it was my child, I would want him to attend Stanford, Vandy, Notre Dame, Northwestern, UVA, and the like. If they don't make it in football, they have a good chance of making something of themselves in some other field.

 

Mills is clearly a smart kid.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Kansas City has not looked great this year. Teams are starting to play them different. Their defense is so bad.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

lol 

 

 

[EastStreet]

52 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

If it was my child, I would want him to attend Stanford, Vandy, Notre Dame, Northwestern, UVA, and the like. If they don't make it in football, they have a good chance of making something of themselves in some other field.

 

Mills is clearly a smart kid.

 

I'm a big fan of ND, so I share a lot of your opinions. If my son was the #1 QB prospect in the nation (like Arch Manning in 2023) though, I'd likely send him to ND or a football factory and ensure he got into one of their better degree programs. He can always get a good degree from other schools, but if he's an elite FB talent, he won't always get the same FB education and support. And he can always go back and get an advanced degree from a better school if he fails to make it to the NFL. 

 

 

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Yup, pretty darn crazy. I've got 2 TVs running and turned down one, and turned up RZ to see if they say what the record is lol.

Historically yes. The last 10 years though is full of questionable stuff and they've went down hill except for a decent 2016 (I think it was 2016, could be wrong), and the last 5ish years they've totally shot themselves in the foot. 

I think he's very capable of being decent if the team protects him, and allows him to be what he is, which is a pocket passer. He reminds me of Mac Jones kinda. He's just not a mobile kid. He was the #1 kid coming out of HS back in 2017ish. Going to Stanford kinda killed his stock IMO. Had he stayed in the SE and went to football factory, he'd likely be a big name.

Ahhhh….    The laughter never ends!  
 

Now it’s Davis Mills who was slowed by going to Stanford?!   Just like Stanford screwed up that Andrew Luck guy.   Maybe if Luck had gone to Notre Dame he’d have been picked higher in the draft than he was?!   The most pro ready quarterback since Manning.  That’s what Stanford did for Luck. 
 

For the record,  Mills suffered his first knee injury in high school in Atlanta.   You know Atlanta, it’s a few miles from your home! 
 

Then Mills suffered two more knee injuries while at Stanford.   His injuries are the only thing that held him back.  Even the scouts said so.  Just check his draft profile on NFL.com.   You could even argue that Stanford, and their NFL level playbook that they run, are the reason he was picked at the top of the third round despite only starting 12 games in his college career. 
 

But by all means….   Keep spreading misinformation.   It’s your specialty!    I always appreciate the laughs!     
 

 

[EastStreet]

Just now, NewColtsFan said:

Ahhhh….    The laughter never ends!  
 

Now it’s Davis Mills who was slowed by going to Stanford?!   Just like Stanford screwed up that Andrew Luck guy.   Maybe if Luck had gone to Notre Dame he’d have been picked higher in the draft than he was?!   The most pro ready quarterback since Manning.  That’s what Stanford did for Luck. 
 

For the record,  Mills suffered his first knee injury in high school in Atlanta.   You know Atlanta, it’s a few miles from your home! 
 

Then Mills suffered two more knee injuries while at Stanford.   His injuries are the only thing that held him back.  Even the scouts said so.  Just check his draft profile on NFL.com.   You could even argue that Stanford, and their NFL level playbook that they run, are the reason he was picked at the top of the third round despite only starting 12 games in his college career. 
 

But by all means….   Keep spreading misinformation.   It’s your specialty!    I always appreciate the laughs!     

 

Sorry to trigger you. Like normal, you jump into a conversation that you are not involved in. I was asked my opinion, and gave it. Please feel free though to counter the below facts, with facts.  

 

I'm aware of Mill's history, and followed his recruiting. He was an early UGA lean, rumor is he was concerned that Eason signed with UGA for 2016. If you're not aware, Eason was a 5 star top 3 type of QB like Mills.... UGA then had two QBs commit for 2017 before Mills committed to Stanford. After Fromm committed to UGA, Mills committed to Stanford right after.

 

The simple fact is, Stanford has not been very good the last 5 years. They haven't won 10 games (in a season) in the last 4-5 years, and haven't gone to a bowl in 2 years. Recruiting has stagnated a bit since 2017, which was skewed due to getting Mills. And to put it simply, Stanford just didn't have the same talent around Mills that they had around Luck.

[NFLfan]

18 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

I'm a big fan of ND, so I share a lot of your opinions. If my son was the #1 QB prospect in the nation (like Arch Manning in 2023) though, I'd likely send him to ND or a football factory and ensure he got into one of their better degree programs. He can always get a good degree from other schools, but if he's an elite FB talent, he won't always get the same FB education and support. And he can always go back and get an advanced degree from a better school if he fails to make it to the NFL. 

 

I would want my child to go to Stanford. Great school, lots of resources, great location, supportive coaches. I don't like the football factories.

 

My nephew attended one of the best high schools in the country (Philip Exeter Academy). Most of the students attend top colleges. I encouraged him to attend Stanford, but he got a full academic scholarship to another school and went there. I wish I had been as smart as him. 

 

Btw, is Nelson playing tomorrow? I saw the list of guys who are out. He was not one of them. 

[NFLfan]

5 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

The simple fact is, Stanford has not been very good the last 5 years. They haven't won 10 games (in a season) in the last 4-5 years, and haven't gone to a bowl in 2 years. Recruiting has stagnated a bit since 2017, which was skewed due to getting Mills. And to put it simply, Stanford just didn't have the same talent around Mills that they had around Luck.

 

Stanford is on another level. Recruiting at Stanford will never be what it is at Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas etc. Most of those students would not be accepted into Stanford. 

 

I have to sign out to go get ready for work tomorrow. If you reply, I will read it tomorrow.

 

Good night. 

[EastStreet]

14 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

I would want my child to go to Stanford. Great school, lots of resources, great location, supportive coaches. I don't like the football factories.

 

My nephew attended one of the best high schools in the country (Philip Exeter Academy). Most of the students attend top colleges. I encouraged him to attend Stanford, but he got a full academic scholarship to another school and went there. I wish I had been as smart as him. 

 

Btw, is Nelson playing tomorrow? I saw the list of guys who are out. He was not one of them. 

In general, I'd prefer kids to go to schools like ND, Stanford, Vandy, etc., but when your a top 10 national recruit, that changes the equation a bit. I went to parochials until college, and then went to a top 10 school for my degree. 

 

Q is on IR, so is out at least 3 weeks :-( 

5 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Stanford is on another level. Recruiting at Stanford will never be what it is at Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas etc. Most of those students would not be accepted into Stanford. 

 

I have to sign out to go get ready for work tomorrow. If you reply, I will read it tomorrow.

 

Good night. 

I'm well aware of the limitations that schools like Stanford and ND have when it comes to recruiting. I know that only about 50% of the top 100 national recruits meet admissions standards for ND, and they have similar requirements to Stanford. Stanford's recruiting lately however has not been as good as it used to be. For a long time they were at minimum in the top 25, but they've fallen outside a bit lately. They've missed some positional areas lately that they normally hit pretty well on. I also think some of it just because the PAC has been down lately.

[2006Coltsbestever]

What is wrong with KC? Patrick 'Manning' about to go 1-3. Bills 31-13.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

What is wrong with KC? Patrick 'Manning' about to go 1-3. Bills 31-13.

2-3. Teams are playing them different.

[King Colt]

9 hours ago, ColtsGermany said:

Wth is goin on with the Texans??? 

They came close to beating the Pats today and looked good on both sides. They have a QB that just might work out for them.

[King Colt]

The Packers FG kicker missed three straight FG attempts today and Cincy missed one to lose the game.

[2006Coltsbestever]

12 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

2-3. Teams are playing them different.

Thanks, yeah I meant 2-3 which is still bad for them. Bills just picked him off again 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Mahomes and Reid look like they don’t know how to beat a zone defense.

[King Colt]

Watching the Texans game the broadcasters said Lovie Smith's high school team from 1973 through 1975 allowed just 15 points for the entire year and had eleven shut outs. I looked it up and it is true.

[NewColtsFan]

58 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Sorry to trigger you. Like normal, you jump into a conversation that you are not involved in. I was asked my opinion, and gave it. Please feel free though to counter the below facts, with facts.  

 

I'm aware of Mill's history, and followed his recruiting. He was an early UGA lean, rumor is he was concerned that Eason signed with UGA for 2016. If you're not aware, Eason was a 5 star top 3 type of QB like Mills.... UGA then had two QBs commit for 2017 before Mills committed to Stanford. After Fromm committed to UGA, Mills committed to Stanford right after.

 

The simple fact is, Stanford has not been very good the last 5 years. They haven't won 10 games (in a season) in the last 4-5 years, and haven't gone to a bowl in 2 years. Recruiting has stagnated a bit since 2017, which was skewed due to getting Mills. And to put it simply, Stanford just didn't have the same talent around Mills that they had around Luck.

 

Again.....    you skipped over the most important facts about Mills.    It was his three injuries that held him back.   If he had gone to an SEC school,  he likely would've been recruited over with the next 5-star recruit.

 

There's no doubt Stanford doesn't recruit SEC level kids.    That's never been disputed.    But the top level kids we get tend to do well.      See Andrew Luck.     See Christian McCaffrey.     And, as I said,  and you typically ignored,  the only thing that held him back were his injuries, which were serious.    That Mills was drafted as high as he was is a tribute to Stanford,  not a knock.

 

As to him being a Georgia lean....     maybe,  maybe not    He and his family were telling Stanford they were the front runner all along.   Stanford doesn't lose that many kids to the SEC.     Because Stanford level kids value academics in a way that SEC football programs tend not to.    Mills was a top academic kid as well as a top QB.

 

As per usual,  you slant the facts that support your case,  and avoid the facts that under-cut you    I've only been pointing that out since the day you arrived here.     So, you keep being you.

 

Finally,. as to the triggered part....    imagine me telling you about what's going on at Notre Dame.    Something I've never done with you.    Yet you have several times explained what's going on at Stanford, as if you know better.    I know you think your opinion is the first, last and only one that matters,   but the football world doesn't revolve around you, hard as that is for you to believe.    You didn't even know Mills had been hurt in High School.     So much for your knowledge of him.

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Looks like ball game, Allen looked great tonight! Bills 38-20.

[Zoltan]

8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

As to him being a Georgia lean....     maybe,  maybe not    He and his family were telling Stanford they were the front runner all along.   Stanford doesn't lose that many kids to the SEC.     Because Stanford level kids value academics in a way that SEC football programs tend not to.    Mills was a top academic kid as well as a top QB.

 

This reminds me of something from the Alabama vs A & M game. They had a highlight of the teams scholar athletes and showed their GPAs. The A&Ms scholar was a linebacker or something and had a 3.78 GPA, the Alabama scholar athlete was their kicker and he had a 3.18 GPA which just made me laugh. 

[Zoltan]

Mahomes has thrown alot of passes at his receivers feet today

[chad72]

38 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

Mahomes and Reid look like they don’t know how to beat a zone defense.

Problem is they valued speed over route running and once you scheme for Kelce and Hill like in the SB, there’s no one that runs excellent routes to sit inside zones.

[EastStreet]

13 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Again.....    you skipped over the most important facts about Mills.    It was his three injuries that held him back.   If he had gone to an SEC school,  he likely would've been recruited over with the next 5-star recruit.

 

There's no doubt Stanford doesn't recruit SEC level kids.    That's never been disputed.    But the top level kids we get tend to do well.      See Andrew Luck.     See Christian McCaffrey.     And, as I said,  and you typically ignored,  the only thing that held him back were his injuries, which were serious.    That Mills was drafted as high as he was is a tribute to Stanford,  not a knock.

 

As to him being a Georgia lean....     maybe,  maybe not    He and his family were telling Stanford they were the front runner all along.   Stanford doesn't lose that many kids to the SEC.     Because Stanford level kids value academics in a way that SEC football programs tend not to.    Mills was a top academic kid as well as a top QB.

 

As per usual,  you slant the facts that support your case,  and avoid the facts that under-cut you    I've only been pointing that out since the day you arrived here.     So, you keep being you.

 

Finally,. as to the triggered part....    imagine me telling you about what's going on at Notre Dame.    Something I've never done with you.    Yet you have several times explained what's going on at Stanford, as if you know better.    I know you think your opinion is the first, last and only one that matters,   but the football world doesn't revolve around you, hard as that is for you to believe.    You didn't even know Mills had been hurt in High School.     So much for your knowledge of him.

 

 

Dude, you're just absolutely looking for an argument. Nothing I said was incorrect, or even edgy. 

 

Injuries didn't hold him back, KJ Costello was set to be the starting in 18 and 19 regardless. It took injuries to KJ in 2019 to push Davis into the starting line up. 

 

It's very simple. the talent surrounding him at Stanford was far less than he would have had at a SE powerhouse.

 

And "Stanford" doesn't loose that many battles to the SEC? LMAO.. OK... 

 

[chad72]

Bills are going to the SB, IMO.

 

They can match points with anyone and have the defense to make plays.

 

KC might be a wild card, who knows???  

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Zoltan said:

Mahomes has thrown alot of passes at his receivers feet today

This goes to show everyone how hard is to win a SB even with a top tier franchise QB. When Mahomes won it all 2 years ago, a lot of people were saying he was the GOAT and would win 3 or 4 SB's with ease. It doesn't work like that. Chiefs will be lucky to win their division this year the way LA is playing. We had Peyton and only won 1. Tom and BB made it look so easy for years that a lot of people think it is a given a team should just win 3 or 4 SB's when they have a talent like Mahomes. Look at Rodgers, he has won a lot of games but only 1 SB win.

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

This goes to show everyone how hard is to win a SB even with a top tier franchise QB. When Mahomes won it all 2 years ago, a lot of people were saying he was the GOAT and would win 3 or 4 SB's with ease. It doesn't work like that. Chiefs will be lucky to win their division this year the way LA is playing. We had Peyton and only won 1. Tom and BB made it look so easy for years that a lot of people think it is a given a team should just win 3 or 4 SB's when they have a talent like Mahomes. Look at Rodgers, he has won a lot of games but only 1 SB win.

To follow this up, there is a reason why only 12 QB's have won 2 or more SB's as a starter in 55 SB plays. I am glad Peyton is one of them.

[Stephen]

10 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Bills are going to the SB, IMO.

 

They can match points with anyone and have the defense to make plays.

 

KC might be a wild card, who knows???  

Them or chargers

[coltsfan_canada]

13 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

This goes to show everyone how hard is to win a SB even with a top tier franchise QB. When Mahomes won it all 2 years ago, a lot of people were saying he was the GOAT and would win 3 or 4 SB's with ease. It doesn't work like that. Chiefs will be lucky to win their division this year the way LA is playing. We had Peyton and only won 1. Tom and BB made it look so easy for years that a lot of people think it is a given a team should just win 3 or 4 SB's when they have a talent like Mahomes. Look at Rodgers, he has won a lot of games but only 1 SB win.

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Them or chargers

My SB pick before the season started which I posted in here was Packers over Bills. Bills look great right now, them and the Packers both are 4-1. Rams and Bucs are both very good though. I think the Chargers are still a year or 2 away, winning in the playoffs is whole different ball game, Herbert will experience a loss or 2 IMO before they go. As of now I do think winning the division for the Chargers is very doable. Something is wrong with KC.

1 minute ago, coltsfan_canada said:

 

[NewColtsFan]

29 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Dude, you're just absolutely looking for an argument. Nothing I said was incorrect, or even edgy. 

 

Injuries didn't hold him back, KJ Costello was set to be the starting in 18 and 19 regardless. It took injuries to KJ in 2019 to push Davis into the starting line up. 

 

It's very simple. the talent surrounding him at Stanford was far less than he would have had at a SE powerhouse.

 

And "Stanford" doesn't loose that many battles to the SEC? LMAO.. OK... 

 

Dude….   One of us cares about facts, the other pretends to.   Why do you think Costello transferred out?   Because Mills was healthy and was going to take his job.   Costello started those two years because Mills was hurt.    Hello?!?    Here you are AGAIN telling me about Stanford as if you know better?!? 
 

Talk about LOL!?!  
 

As to the SEC….     We don’t recruit the same kids.   SEC kids are football factory kids, trying to make the NFL.   Stanford kids, for the most part,  are not.   Nothing I said was incorrect or even edgy.   You just think your view is the only view that really matters.   We’re all entitled to your opinion.   Lol!! 
 

You’re a funny guy.  Just unintentionally so. 

[EastStreet]

34 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Bills are going to the SB, IMO.

 

They can match points with anyone and have the defense to make plays.

 

KC might be a wild card, who knows???  

 

Helps a lot though when KC has like what, 4 turnovers?

 

I agree though, Buffalo is easily a top 4 team. But they also have beat up some chumps. This is good win, but I wouldn't count KC out. They've had some good wins and tough losses, all with tough schedule and dealing with injuries.

 

Looking forward to Buffalo at TN next week.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Cards being 5-0 is surprising, still not sold they are for real as in when the playoffs roll around but they have a nice team. Murray is the real deal, having Hopkins helps.

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Helps a lot though when KC has like what, 4 turnovers?

 

I agree though, Buffalo is easily a top 4 team. But they also have beat up some chumps. This is good win, but I wouldn't count KC out. They've had some good wins and tough losses, all with tough schedule and dealing with injuries.

 

Looking forward to Buffalo at TN next week.

Tennessee is a weird team, they are the type of team that will lose to the Jets but beat the Bills  . I do think the Bills will beat them but it is not a givin. 

[EastStreet]

4 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Dude….   One of us cares about facts, the other pretends to.   Why do you think Costello transferred out?   Because Mills was healthy and was going to take his job.   Costello started those two years because Mills was hurt.    Hello?!?    Here you are AGAIN telling me about Stanford as if you know better?!? 
 

Talk about LOL!?!  
 

As to the SEC….     We don’t recruit the same kids.   SEC kids are football factory kids, trying to make the NFL.   Stanford kids, for the most part,  are not.   Nothing I said was incorrect or even edgy.   You just think your view is the only view that really matters.   We’re all entitled to your opinion.   Lol!! 
 

You’re a funny guy.  Just unintentionally so. 

Costello was the CHOSEN starter in 2019. He went down and Mills came in. They both played intermittently that season when KJ got injured. The facts are easy to find. He was considered and up and comer after 2018. KJ was also a team captain in 18 and 19.

 

Stanford does recruit a lot of the same kids. You can see all the offers they put out on 247, and the overlap with SEC schools. Just just don't win many of the top 100 battles. They do historically have good luck with OL and TE, much like ND. They also get the occasional RB from the SEC states.

10 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Tennessee is a weird team, they are the type of team that will lose to the Jets but beat the Bills  . I do think the Bills will beat them but it is not a givin. 

They are hammered with injury right now. I think they are built to beat Buffalo if they heal up.

[NewColtsFan]

46 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Costello was the CHOSEN starter in 2019. He went down and Mills came in. They both played intermittently that season when KJ got injured. The facts are easy to find. He was considered and up and comer after 2018. KJ was also a team captain in 18 and 19.

 

Stanford does recruit a lot of the same kids. You can see all the offers they put out on 247, and the overlap with SEC schools. Just just don't win many of the top 100 battles. They do historically have good luck with OL and TE, much like ND. They also get the occasional RB from the SEC states.

They are hammered with injury right now. I think they are built to beat Buffalo if they heal up.

 

Mills was not healthy in the camp leading up to the start of 2019.     It's the difference between trying to find something online,   and being connected to the school and knowing what was going on.

 

As to being the Captain,  it's because Costello was the starting Qiuarterback.   Again, a byproduct of Mills not being healthy leading up to the season.

 

For three posts in a row,  you THINK you know more than me about my school.   And that's just today.   This isn't the first time.    You just play down, or dismiss anything that disagrees with your chosen narrative.     You're wrong.    You just won't admit it.   Never have.    Never will.     You're the only poster to do this.    It's your signature go-to move. 

 

 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

2 hours ago, Wentzszn said:

Mahomes and Reid look like they don’t know how to beat a zone defense.

 

Yep....after multiple decades of being a HC and a top offensive mind Reid is stumped when seeing a zone/cover 2 defense. Lol

The things we have to hear come out of chris collingsworth mouth. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Cards being 5-0 is surprising, still not sold they are for real as in when the playoffs roll around but they have a nice team. Murray is the real deal, having Hopkins helps.

 

Yep....I would think the Networks, advertisers, media, etc... will prefer seeing Brady, Rogers, or Dallas over the cards. 

Dak has really improved and throwing the ball great.

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Yep....I would think the Networks, advertisers, media, etc... will prefer seeing Brady, Rogers, or Dallas over the cards. 

Dak has really improved and throwing the ball great.

Yeah Dallas looks good right now too. Several teams have a chance even the Cards. Top 5 teams to me right now look like:

 

1. Bills eventhough they have 1 loss

 

2. Pack - mainly because of the Rodgers factor, that stinker they had vs the Saints was on opening day and Rodgers just looked off. Since then he has played lights out by winning 4 straight.

 

3. Cards - they are 5-0 and beat the Rams

 

4. Rams - they beat the Bucs pretty convincingly

 

5. Bucs - here, they have Tom but their D doesn't look as good as last year

 

-I have 4 teams from the NFC in my top 5 but I believe the Bills by going to the AFC Title Game last year is just getting better. Allen is ready to take that next step. I think Rodgers wants that 2nd SB win badly so I have them at #2 to join that group of 12 that have won 2 or more. He is a lot older Mahomes so his time is getting shorter.