Week 4 score prediction

[bsteves]

Can you imagine Jacoby getting the mid to deep ball game going against us? #PAIN

[2006Coltsbestever]

If JB plays a really good game and they beat us this forum will - I can't recall a player in here other than Trent that got bashed as much as JB did and at least JB played good at times, Trent did stink.

[CanuckColt]

The Colts get their 1st win...24-21.

[WoolMagnet]

JB gonna light it up.

On a serious note, i’d advise avoiding the forum for a while if he does.

Can you say KABOOM?

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I was just hearing dolphins oline isn’t very good and they give up a lot of sacks. Anyone know where I can find these stats. Colts have to be up there too.

[WoolMagnet]

32 minutes ago, bsteves said:

Can you imagine Jacoby getting the mid to deep ball game going against us? #PAIN

Yea, crazy thing is, part of me REALLY would like to see it.

[WoolMagnet]

On 9/27/2021 at 12:07 PM, IinD said:

Homer pick 24-17

Bad injury report pick 17-14 Colts

Terrible injury report pick 27-10 Fins

 

We’ve been in the terrible injury level since kickoff game 1.

lol

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Something to think about id Jacoby knows this defense just as much as we know him.

[bsteves]

9 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

Something to think about id Jacoby knows this defense just as much as we know him.

 

Yup. Soft in the middle and over the top. We can easily make Jacoby look like an all pro and have the talking heads slam us for ever letting him go

[2006Coltsbestever]

55 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

JB gonna light it up.

On a serious note, i’d advise avoiding the forum for a while if he does.

Can you say KABOOM?

 

Actually I will be right here because the hate this guy got in here wasn't deserved, and it was about 75% of the forum. He was never going to be a franchise QB but yet many took a step further and just bashed the guy over and over saying he sucked. For one - he didn't suck, he was average and became below average towards the end of the season. Two - he was a great backup. Obviously I hope we win but if we lose to JB and he has a good game, the reactions in here will be so priceless. 

[EastStreet]

I can easily imagine JB shredding our soft zone like Minshew.... or burning us deep.

Torching Willis, Moore, or Blackmon on a vert, or either of our LBs on slants.

 

Waddle can kill you on all 3 levels, and make mediocre QBs look good. Parker is well rounded. And then of course you have deep ball specialist Will Fuller.... 

 

The funnier thing is, the JB fans will see this as some type of validation, instead of confirmation that our D sucks.

[chickenMan]

I’m seeing a lot of people on here suggesting that we run the ball as a strategy to beat the Dolphins, but no one suggesting a strategy as to how to get that idea into Frank Reich’s head. We’re only halfway there folks, we need to get creative here

[chickenMan]

38 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Actually I will be right here because the hate this guy got in here wasn't deserved, and it was about 75% of the forum. He was never going to be a franchise QB but yet many took a step further and just bashed the guy over and over saying he sucked. For one - he didn't suck, he was average and became below average towards the end of the season. Two - he was a great backup. Obviously I hope we win but if we lose to JB and he has a good game, the reactions in here will be so priceless. 

If JB beats us, so be it. He’s a good dude, and I still like him. He even gave us a couple of awesome wins. Maybe we also deserve it after the way some of our fans treated him. Who knows.

[MPStack]

27 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

The funnier thing is, the JB fans will see this as some type of validation, instead of confirmation that our D sucks.

I

 

I can’t wait. 
 

[2006Coltsbestever]

28 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

I can easily imagine JB shredding our soft zone like Minshew.... or burning us deep.

Torching Willis, Moore, or Blackmon on a vert, or either of our LBs on slants.

 

Waddle can kill you on all 3 levels, and make mediocre QBs look good. Parker is well rounded. And then of course you have deep ball specialist Will Fuller.... 

 

The funnier thing is, the JB fans will see this as some type of validation, instead of confirmation that our D sucks.

Yeah but doesn't JB suck? According to 75% of the forum he did here. I am being nice by saying only 75%. If JB sucks we should win easily by that narrative. What is funny is, you said JB fans, when it was just a small portion of the forum that said he could be good, I can't recall 1 person saying he would ever be a franchise QB, if they did I missed it. At one time I had him at above average but that was through the 1st 7 games when we were 5-2 and in 1st place. I defended him against the people saying he sucked like a few others did. 

 

Also you know our defense is capable of playing good, it was good last year so if we lose to the so called 'sucky' OB there is no excuse.

[WoolMagnet]

46 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Actually I will be right here because the hate this guy got in here wasn't deserved, and it was about 75% of the forum. He was never going to be a franchise QB but yet many took a step further and just bashed the guy over and over saying he sucked. For one - he didn't suck, he was average and became below average towards the end of the season. Two - he was a great backup. Obviously I hope we win but if we lose to JB and he has a good game, the reactions in here will be so priceless. 

I liked JB too.  He wasnt the long term answer, but that wasnt his fault.  He was thrown into a losing situation and made the best of it with the tools he had.  Got paid pretty darn well too.

[chickenMan]

1 hour ago, Wentzszn said:

I was just hearing dolphins oline isn’t very good and they give up a lot of sacks. Anyone know where I can find these stats. Colts have to be up there too.

Don’t worry, ours isn’t much better 

[2006Coltsbestever]

14 minutes ago, chickenMan said:

If JB beats us, so be it. He’s a good dude, and I still like him. He even gave us a couple of awesome wins. Maybe we also deserve it after the way some of our fans treated him. Who knows.

I hope we win and make him look bad. We need a win in the worst way and to save our season. I was just pointing out it would be crazy if we lost to JB and his team.

[chickenMan]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I hope we win and make him look bad. We need a win in the worst way and to save our season. I was just pointing out it would be crazy if we lost to JB and his team.

I don’t want to make him look bad, he’s a good guy. But I sure as hell do want a win, and I’ll take it however we can get it.

[EastStreet]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah but doesn't JB suck? According to 75% of the forum he did here. I am being nice by saying only 75%. If JB sucks we should win easily by that narrative. What is funny is, you said JB fans, when it was just a small portion of the forum that said he could be good, I can't recall 1 person saying he would ever be a franchise QB, if they did I missed it. At one time I had him at above average but that was through the 1st 7 games when we were 5-2 and in 1st place. I defended him against the people saying he sucked like a few others did. 

 

Also you know our defense is capable of playing good, it was good last year so if we lose to the so called 'sucky' OB there is no excuse.

You have a selective memory.

 

Most said he's not a starter, but a very good backup. That was pretty much validated when the Colts moved on, and nobody signed him as a starter. 

 

There were several that carried his water though. It wasn't just one. No need to call out the individuals. 

 

He may have looked above average vs bad pass Ds... However he had plenty of sub 50 QBR games before he got hurt. That's not above average.

 

 

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

You have a selective memory.

 

Most said he's not a starter, but a very good backup. That was pretty much validated when the Colts moved on, and nobody signed him as a starter. 

 

There were several that carried his water though. It wasn't just one. No need to call out the individuals. 

 

He may have looked above average vs bad pass Ds... However he had plenty of sub 50 QBR games before he got hurt. That's not above average.

 

 

 

Fair enough and I won't name anyone but right off hand I can remember at least 7 user names that said he flat out sucked and did it all season  non-stop to the point it got to this level - you say carry his water, was there even 1 person that said he was great or a franchise QB? I am being serious if there was 1, I can't remember.

[MPStack]

6 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

You have a selective memory.

 

Most said he's not a starter, but a very good backup. That was pretty much validated when the Colts moved on, and nobody signed him as a starter. 

 

There were several that carried his water though. It wasn't just one. No need to call out the individuals. 

 

He may have looked above average vs bad pass Ds... However he had plenty of sub 50 QBR games before he got hurt. That's not above average.

I would say it was closer to 75% said JB was a great or soon to be great Qb, until the 2nd half of 2019. 
 

Definitely not a topic I would want to get in arguments again. 
 

Never got the source the for the supposed 1st Rd pick being floated for JB, because it didn’t exist. Lol

 

Whatever

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, MPStack said:

I would say it was closer to 75% said JB was a great or soon to be great Qb, until the 2nd half of 2019. 
 

Definitely not a topic I would want to get in arguments again. 
 

Never got the source the for the supposed 1st Rd pick being floated for JB, because it didn’t exist. Lol

 

Whatever

If 75% of people said JB is great in here I must be getting dementia  . I missed that one. Oh well, not worth even talking about it at this point. I just hope we win.

[EastStreet]

7 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Fair enough and I won't name anyone but right off hand I can remember at least 7 user names that said he flat out sucked and did it all season  non-stop to the point it got to this level you say carry his water, was there even 1 person that said he was great or a franchise QB? I am being serious if there was 1, I can't remember.

 

There was a group, that would pipe up whenever there was any criticism at all. 

 

And there was plenty of debate if he was a franchise level QB or not. You were part of those conversations, so surprised you don't remember.

 

[EastStreet]

4 minutes ago, MPStack said:

I would say it was closer to 75% said JB was a great or soon to be great Qb, until the 2nd half of 2019. 
 

Definitely not a topic I would want to get in arguments again. 
 

Never got the source the for the supposed 1st Rd pick being floated for JB, because it didn’t exist. Lol

 

Whatever

I wouldn't go that far (75% pro JB), but the voices that did sunshine pump, were loud and very active.

If we won despite his bad performance, he got credit.

If we lost, it was the WRs and TEs not getting open (even though all22 was quite clear we had plenty of open guys).

Then everyone said he was only bad after injury, despite sub 40 and 50 QBR performances pre-injury, and with a phenomenal OL.

 

Twilight Zone stuff

[MPStack]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If 75% of people said JB is great in here I must be getting dementia  . I missed that one. Oh well, not worth even talking about it at this point. I just hope we win.

C’mon man, you remember all the “trade JB for a 1st” mumbo jumbo” back in 2018 when Luck returned. That was over half the Forum spouting that, thinking JB was the next Jimmy G. 
 

Anyways, like I said, wished I never got in so many battles with folks over that. But never got the source for the supposed 1st be offered either. Never! Lol

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

There was a group, that would pipe up whenever there was any criticism at all. 

 

And there was plenty of debate if he was a franchise level QB or not. You were part of those conversations, so surprised you don't remember.

 

I remember some of those discussions whether or not JB could be a long term starter but I can't recall anyone saying he was a franchise QB like top 5ish. 

[EastStreet]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I remember some of those discussions whether or not JB could be a long term starter but I can't recall anyone saying he was a franchise QB like top 5ish. 

Franchise does not mean top 5

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, MPStack said:

C’mon man, you remember all the “trade JB for a 1st” mumbo jumbo” back in 2018 when Luck returned. That was over half the Forum spouting that, thinking JB was the next Jimmy G. 
 

Anyways, like I said, wished I never got in so many battles with folks over that. But never got the source for the supposed 1st be offered either. Never! Lol

I do remember that but when JB was playing in 2019 I recall a lot of people saying he sucked. No big deal at this point really. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Franchise does not mean top 5

I actually never seen anyone say top 10 either. I posted top 15 when we were 5-2.

[EastStreet]

7 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I actually never seen anyone say top 10 either. I posted top 15 when we were 5-2.

Franchise simply means a team is willing to hitch their wagon to a guy. 

Top 5 or top 10 are great to elite guys. Top 15-20 would be more in line with "franchise".

And I've said often, if a team doesn't have a top 20 guy, they're looking to upgrade.

I did not view him as top 15-20 even early. IMO he was a product of dink/dunk, and bad passing Os. And he wasn't all that good before he got hurt. If you have sub 40 and 50 QBRs, you're just not that good.

 

Anyway, not wanting to go further down the 2019 rabbit hole any more. I was very clear back then. The above is a summary of what I've said then. 

[MPStack]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I do remember that but when JB was playing in 2019 I recall a lot of people saying he sucked. No big deal at this point really. 

Some claimed he wasn’t the same because of his knee injury. He missed half a game, if you remember. A lot of the JB fan club, abandoned him once the Colts missed the playoffs. 
 

Yep, no big deal, 30M and 2 years too late. 
 

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Franchise simply means a team is willing to hitch their wagon to a guy. 

Top 5 or top 10 are great to elite guys. Top 15-20 would be more in line with "franchise".

And I've said often, if a team doesn't have a top 20 guy, they're looking to upgrade.

I did not view him as top 15-20 even early. IMO he was a product of dink/dunk, and bad passing Os. And he wasn't all that good before he got hurt. If you have sub 40 and 50 QBRs, you're just not that good.

 

Anyway, not wanting to go further down the 2019 rabbit hole any more. I was very clear back then. The above is a summary of what I've said then. 

Regarding being a franchise QB, I think top 10 is the cut off there, Being Great is Top 5 to me. So we disagree there. To me if you have a QB that is 15th in the league, he could be considered good but really above average in reality, that is middle of the pack. If you have a QB that is 20th that is average but barely. 

[EastStreet]

2 minutes ago, MPStack said:

Some claimed he wasn’t the same because of his knee injury. He missed half a game, if you remember. A lot of the JB fan club, abandoned him once the Colts missed the playoffs. 
 

Yep, no big deal, 30M and 2 years too late. 

 

Yup. lol.. and it wasn't like he was a mobile QB, or was a roll out type guy. He had an elite OL to keep him safe, so the whole injury caused his decline thing is head scratching. Dude never could read Ds, get through progressions, or throw with with touch or anticipation. His knee had nothing to do with those limitations.

 

That doesn't mean he can't light our awful D up. After all, Minshew had a career best against us.

 

[MPStack]

5 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Yup. lol.. and it wasn't like he was a mobile QB, or was a roll out type guy. He had an elite OL to keep him safe, so the whole injury caused his decline thing is head scratching. Dude never could read Ds, get through progressions, or throw with with touch or anticipation. His knee had nothing to do with those limitations.

 

That doesn't mean he can't light our awful D up. After all, Minshew had a career best against us.

 

Like you said, a rabbit hole I will not get into again. The excuses with JB we’re just plain

[EastStreet]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Regarding being a franchise QB, I think top 10 is the cut off there, Being Great is Top 5 to me. So we disagree there. To me if you have a QB that is 15th in the league, he could be considered good but really above average in reality, that is middle of the pack. If you have a QB that is 20th that is average but barely. 

Top 10 is not the definition. If it is, Rodgers is not a franchise guy right now. Jackson, Ryan, Tannehill, or Allen either.... 

 

There are several guys in the current top 10 you would not say are Franchise guys. Carr is #1. 

 

I can name 15-20 guys right now that are easily considered franchise guys, and many are outside of the top 10

 

 

 

[EastStreet]

1 minute ago, MPStack said:

Like you said, a rabbit hole I will not get into again. The excuses with JB we’re just plain

 

It's a sickness with some lol. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

28 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Top 10 is not the definition. If it is, Rodgers is not a franchise guy right now. Jackson, Ryan, Tannehill, or Allen either.... 

 

There are several guys in the current top 10 you would not say are Franchise guys. Carr is #1. 

 

I can name 15-20 guys right now that are easily considered franchise guys, and many are outside of the top 10

 

 

 

I am saying for their career's they need to be 10ish, Carr for his career hasn't been top 10ish overall. Carr to me is great this year (it has been 3 games). Rodgers has been top 3ish for his whole career and is great and is a Hall of Famer. You are twisting things now and going by 3 games this season  . Josh Allen was easily top 7 last year if not top 5. He will end up there again, Lamar Jackson has won an MVP and he is top 10 no matter what statistical thing you throw at me. Tannehill to me isn't a franchise QB - he is above average, sometimes good. We just differ in opinions. This will go nowhere so I am through talking about it because you only base everything on stats, not the eye test and history of a player. No biggy. 

 

Rodgers is top 10 easily right now and you know it, you must be basing it on stats. I will take Rodgers and give you Carr all day.

[2006Coltsbestever]

One last thing if you watched the game for 40+ years you can tell when someone is a franchise QB just by the eye test. Andrew Luck was a franchise QB but statistically it doesn't always show it for his career. If a QB has been in the top 10 ranked by his peers/media for most of his career and has carried his teams to a lot of wins, that is a franchise QB.

[EastStreet]

18 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am saying for their career's they need to be 10ish, Carr for his career hasn't been top 10ish overall. Carr to me is great this year (it has been 3 games). Rodgers has been top 3ish for his whole career and is great and is a Hall of Famer. You are twisting things now and going by 3 games this season  . Josh Allen was easily top 7 last year if not top 5. He will end up there again, Lamar Jackson has won an MVP and he is top 10 no matter what statistical thing you throw at me. Tannehill to me isn't a franchise QB - he is above average, sometimes good. We just differ in opinions. This will go nowhere so I am through talking about it because you only base everything on stats, not the eye test and history of a player. No biggy. 

 

Rodgers is top 10 easily right now and you know it, you must be basing it on stats. I will take Rodgers and give you Carr all day.

 

Dude, you keep changing your definition... Define franchise for me. Define top 10 for me. What metrics. How long do they have to be top 10. How long do they have to be out of the top 10 before they aren't franchise anymore.... Are guys drafted high that a team commits to build around like Lawrence a franchise guy? He's absolutely considered a franchise guy, just like Luck was before he was even picked.

 

pick a metric... any metric. Total yards, Passer Rating, QBR, PFF, and go see how your franchise guys are doing. Teams want guys who can perform now. 

 

Rodgers is definitely a franchise guy, but he's only been top 10 QBR one of the past 3 years. Tannehill has been top 10 in QBR the past two seasons. He's top 3 PFF this year, only behind Brady IIRC. Carr has been consistently in the top 10 in most stats the last several years.

 

You seem to want to eye test all these guys to fit a narrative. Pick a definition, and live with it lol..

 

Bed time for me. CC in 5 hours.