Six Questions (for you) on the Initial 53 Man Roster (read OP)

[EastStreet]

Six Questions (feel free to copy/paste into your reply)

1. Name the 2 roster cuts you are most surprised about (all cuts below)
2. Name the 2 roster keeps you are most surprised about (roster below)
3. Name two general/misc things (unit size, health recovery, etc,) that you are surprised about
4. Name two cut players you hope make it to the PS
5. What are you most happy about?
6. What are you most unhappy about?

 

Cuts

Waived (must go through Waiver Claim Process)

Tarik BlackWR

Curtis BoltonLB

Andrew BrownDT

Anthony ChesleyCB

Kameron ClineDT

Shawn DavisS

Jake EldrenkampG

Farrod GreenTE

DeMichael HarrisWR

Holton HillCB

Deon JacksonRB

Malik JeffersonLB

Isaiah KaufusiLB

Benny LeMayRB

Carter O'DonnellT

Tyler VaughnsWR

Kahale WarringTE

 

Released (are immediately FAs and eligible right now to sign with teams)

Ibraheim CampbellS

Sean DavisS

Will HoldenT

Brett HundleyQB

Joey HuntC

 

Waived-Injured (likely through settlement process)

Jordan ThomasTE

Andrew VollertTE

 

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Dayo OdeyingboDE

 

 

Roster

Quarterbacks

Jacob Eason

Sam Ehlinger

Carson Wentz*

 

Running backs

Nyheim Hines

Marlon Mack

Jonathan Taylor

Jordan Wilkins

 

Wide receivers

Parris Campbell

Ashton Dulin

T.Y. Hilton

Dezmon Patmon

Zach Pascal*

Michael Pittman Jr.

Mike Strachan

 

Tight ends

Mo Alie-Cox

Jack Doyle

Kylen Granson

 

Offensive line

Julién Davenport

Eric Fisher*

Will Fries

Mark Glowinski

Ryan Kelly*

Quenton Nelson

Danny Pinter

Matt Pryor

Chris Reed

Braden Smith

 

Defensive line

Ben Banogu

DeForest Buckner

Tyquan Lewis

Al-Quadin Muhammed

Kwity Paye

Isaac Rochell

Taylor Stallworth

Grover Stewart

Kemoko Turay

Chris Williams

Antwaun Woods

 

Linebackers

Matthew Adams

Zaire Franklin

Jordan Glasgow

Darius Leonard

Bobby Okereke

E.J. Speed

 

Defensive backs

Julian Blackmon

T.J. Carrie

Andre Chachere

Kenny Moore II

Xavier Rhodes

Isaiah Rodgers

Marvell Tell III

Rock Ya-Sin

Khari Willis

 

Specialists

Rodrigo Blankenship

Luke Rhodes

Rigoberto Sanchez

*Denotes Reserve/COVID-19 list

[buccolts]

<insert sophomoric Beavis & Butthead joke here>

[EastStreet]

Name the 2 roster cuts you are most surprised about (all cuts below)

1. Shawn Davis - surprised we let one of draft picks go, especially after injuries slowed his opportunity
2. Kaufusi - had a ton of Ts in the preseason

Name the 2 roster keeps you are most surprised about (roster below)

1. Stallworth - overloaded at NT (kept 4)
2. Tell - kept a bunch of CBs

Name two general/misc things (unit size, health recovery, etc,) that you are surprised about

• Keeping 11 DL
• Only keeping 3.5 SAFs, and a bunch of CBs

Name two cut players you hope make it to the PS

• Vaughns
• Davis
• Kaufusi - ok, I added an extra lol

What are you most happy about?

• Strachan making the roster, and looking like the real deal, not just our normal late round WR fan favorite.

What are you most unhappy about?

• LT situation...

[coltsfan1965]

Name the 2 roster cuts you are most surprised about (all cuts below)

- Probably Shawn Davis and maybe Andrew Brown. Hard to argue about DL since they kept so many. Guessing Shawn Davis will       end up on the PS. 

Name the 2 roster keeps you are most surprised about (roster below)

 - Maybe Patmon and Rochell just because of the numbers at those positions

Name two general/misc things (unit size, health recovery, etc,) that you are surprised about

- Number of DL and WR kept.

- How thin the secondary still looks.

Name two cut players you hope make it to the PS

- Tyler Vaughns - he just looks like a Zach Pascal type. Nothing spectacular except his consistency.

- Deon Jackson - I think he just needs more work. There is some talent there.

What are you most happy about?

- There is nothing really surprisingly stupid. The whole process seems to be unspectacular and improves the team.

What are you most unhappy about?

- Again, how thin the corner group is. Maybe they will look better with a full pass rush and playing to scheme, but beyond Rhodes   and Moore, it does not look good.

[EastStreet]

4 minutes ago, coltsfan1965 said:

Name the 2 roster cuts you are most surprised about (all cuts below)

- Probably Shawn Davis and maybe Andrew Brown. Hard to argue about DL since they kept so many. Guessing Shawn Davis will       end up on the PS. 

Name the 2 roster keeps you are most surprised about (roster below)

 - Maybe Patmon and Rochell just because of the numbers at those positions

Name two general/misc things (unit size, health recovery, etc,) that you are surprised about

- Number of DL and WR kept.

- How thin the secondary still looks.

Name two cut players you hope make it to the PS

- Tyler Vaughns - he just looks like a Zach Pascal type. Nothing spectacular except his consistency.

- Deon Jackson - I think he just needs more work. There is some talent there.

What are you most happy about?

- There is nothing really surprisingly stupid. The whole process seems to be unspectacular and improves the team.

What are you most unhappy about?

- Again, how thin the corner group is. Maybe they will look better with a full pass rush and playing to scheme, but beyond Rhodes   and Moore, it does not look good.

 

DB is one of my biggest concerns, it's not solely focused on CB. 

I'm happy with NB and CB1. Concerned about CB2 and FS.

We don't ask much of SS, and Willis is doing more than fine.

[coltsfan1965]

1 minute ago, EastStreet said:

 

DB is one of my biggest concerns, it's not solely focused on CB. 

I'm happy with NB and CB1. Concerned about CB2 and FS.

We don't ask much of SS, and Willis is doing more than fine.

I think Blackmon is good at FS. My concern is what happens if and when one of them gets hurt. 

Same with CB. If Rhodes or Moore goes down, the air raid sirens are going off.

[Smonroe]

This is kind of hard to answer until we see the real roster.  That should be later today, right?

 

The only mild surprise to me was Chachere, who deserved to make it.  We still don't know if he, Fries, or Williams/Woods will still be on the 53 after today though.

[TimetobringDfence!]

1.Chachere showed an strong nose for the ball. Very good tackler as well, thought he out played Odum. Kaufusi shows promise, Glasgow just played well enough to keep his spot.

2. Stallworth never impressed me, I liked Brown better. When Dayo comes back I bet Stallworth goes. Tell was a surprising keep to me, but he didn't play much to judge him. I have a feeling we will see him at safety more this year.

3. I'm impressed with the level of competition at WR. Stachan and Patmon are very solid. Vaughns and Black werent slouches. If TY misses significant time he may not start in INDY ever again. 

Speed of the Defense, our defense will be a lot faster in the front seven this year.

4. I want to see Chachere and Dion Jackson on the practice squad.

5. I'm very happy about Paye being very humble and veteran like. 

6. I'm most unhappy about this Vax rule poisoning chemistry and practice time league wide.

 

 

 

[TimetobringDfence!]

11 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

This is kind of hard to answer until we see the real roster.  That should be later today, right?

 

The only mild surprise to me was Chachere, who deserved to make it.  We still don't know if he, Fries, or Williams/Woods will still be on the 53 after today though.

Williams>Woods if one has to go

[EastStreet]

1 minute ago, coltsfan1965 said:

I think Blackmon is good at FS. My concern is what happens if and when one of them gets hurt. 

Same with CB. If Rhodes or Moore goes down, the air raid sirens are going off.

Blackmon had some pretty big struggles the second half of the year in coverage once teams started testing him. He's no doubt a monster hitter when things are in front of him, but he's got room to grow on the back end. Hoping he took some steps forward in the off season. If he can improve in that area, the sky is the limit for him, and we could be talking Pro Bowls. If not, he could end up getting burnt a lot this year.

 

NB is good, and deep. Moore is of course fantastic, and Carrie is one of the better depth NBs out there. That said, Carrie is also in the mix at CB2. Chachere though looks the part for NB depth too, and also at FS.

 

IMO, our only issue at corner is starting CB2..... 

 

Overall, depth is depth for a reason. You can't have starter grade guys as #2s at all positions. CB2 starter is shaky, RYS or Carrie is actually decent depth. We just need someone to step up there as starter, and play like a starter.

 

Just now, Smonroe said:

This is kind of hard to answer until we see the real roster.  That should be later today, right?

 

The only mild surprise to me was Chachere, who deserved to make it.  We still don't know if he, Fries, or Williams/Woods will still be on the 53 after today though.

Not sure there's going to be a bunch of change. 

 

Ehlinger likely goes to IR (min 3 weeks) at 4pm, opening up a spot. 

TY could go to IR too, opening up another spot. They said he'll miss at least a couple games, so three isn't much of a stretch.

FIsher could also go IR. He's not been cleared to return from PUP, but assume he can flip to IR some how when off Covid.

Pinter and Woods may also be short term IR candidates.

 

So, might have 3 slots for Wentz, Pascal, and Kelly open up. If not, we might see one of the fringe guys get bumped.

[Rolls Royce Garage]

Six Questions (feel free to copy/paste into your reply)

Name the 2 roster cuts you are most surprised about (all cuts below)

Kaufasi - at a minimum his energy could be used on ST? I know that they have high hopes for Glasgow and thats why he wasnt playing in the preseason games but Kaufasi has the energy and apparently the IT factor.  It surprised me.

Davis - as you noted the draft spot, the injury slowed him. Maybe he is going to PS and learn there as a scout team member. and be there if there is an injury??? I hope.

 

Name the 2 roster keeps you are most surprised about (roster below)

I know but I dont know on Brett Hundley.  I just dont have a comfortable feeling with Jacob Eason as QB2.  tell me I am wrong.  He is Jeff George lite.  He has a cannon but not much touch.  while ehlinger and hundley dont have the arm strength of Eason. they have the IT factor and the touch. Call me stupid.

 

The revolving door for Holding Spot at LT for Eric Fisher 

So many going in and out the door and then releasing them.  It cannot be that difficult. s

 

Name two general/misc things (unit size, health recovery, etc,) that you are surprised about

I am surprised at the way Wentz and Nelson have recovered from Foot surgery.  As a former baseball player in college I know my injuries took longer to heal.  as a referee (football ref - Not NFL) thats been harder as I age.  No jokes please. LOL

 

I am surprised at SO many DL/DE/NT depth.  are we going to use a revolving unit or rotate for run/pass situations with different schemes/players.

 

Name two cut players you hope make it to the PS

1. Davis -S 

2. Kaufasi-LB

What are you most happy about?

Ballard is one of the best GM.  Like most there will be mistakes but he is frugal and prudent.

 

What are you most unhappy about?

WR.  Lots of athleticism but I am not sure about the football IQ (IT factor).

[EastStreet]

12 minutes ago, TimetobringDfence! said:

1.Chachere showed an strong nose for the ball. Very good tackler as well, thought he out played Odum. Kaufusi shows promise, Glasgow just played well enough to keep his spot.

2. Stallworth never impressed me, I liked Brown better. When Dayo comes back I bet Stallworth goes. Tell was a surprising keep to me, but he didn't play much to judge him. I have a feeling we will see him at safety more this year.

3. I'm impressed with the level of competition at WR. Stachan and Patmon are very solid. Vaughns and Black werent slouches. If TY misses significant time he may not start in INDY ever again. 

Speed of the Defense, our defense will be a lot faster in the front seven this year.

4. I want to see Chachere and Dion Jackson on the practice squad.

5. I'm very happy about Paye being very humble and veteran like. 

6. I'm most unhappy about this Vax rule poisoning chemistry and practice time league wide.

 

 

 

I'd like to see Chachere to stick to the 53. He's intriguing to me as FS/S/NB depth after how good he looked.

I think the team will handle the vax stuff just fine.

8 minutes ago, TimetobringDfence! said:

Williams>Woods if one has to go

 

To both posts, I think Stallworth is the odd man out if we have to bump a NT. Just didn't impress at all to me.

[throwing BBZ]

40 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Blackmon had some pretty big struggles the second half of the year in coverage once teams started testing him. He's no doubt a monster hitter when things are in front of him, but he's got room to grow on the back end. Hoping he took some steps forward in the off season. If he can improve in that area, the sky is the limit for him, and we could be talking Pro Bowls. If not, he could end up getting burnt a lot this year.

 

NB is good, and deep. Moore is of course fantastic, and Carrie is one of the better depth NBs out there. That said, Carrie is also in the mix at CB2. Chachere though looks the part for NB depth too, and also at FS.

 

IMO, our only issue at corner is starting CB2..... 

 

Overall, depth is depth for a reason. You can't have starter grade guys as #2s at all positions. CB2 starter is shaky, RYS or Carrie is actually decent depth. We just need someone to step up there as starter, and play like a starter.

 

Not sure there's going to be a bunch of change. 

 

Ehlinger likely goes to IR (min 3 weeks) at 4pm, opening up a spot. 

TY could go to IR too, opening up another spot. They said he'll miss at least a couple games, so three isn't much of a stretch.

FIsher could also go IR. He's not been cleared to return from PUP, but assume he can flip to IR some how when off Covid.

Pinter and Woods may also be short term IR candidates.

 

So, might have 3 slots for Wentz, Pascal, and Kelly open up. If not, we might see one of the fringe guys get bumped.

 

 Blackmon testified that because of last years injury he lost considerable training time. As the season went on he lost his legs.
 He and Willis will be better as a unit. I am not concerned.
 Tell is an athlete trying to figure out how to be a corner. I'm not at all optomistic he will ever think fast enough to be a cover man.
 We have two good linebackers and a hope with the other 4. A big move would really help.
4-5 really good prospects got released yesterday. I hope we get them back.

[EastStreet]

24 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Blackmon testified that because of last years injury he lost considerable training time. As the season went on he lost his legs.
 He and Willis will be better as a unit. I am not concerned.
 Tell is an athlete trying to figure out how to be a corner. I'm not at all optomistic he will ever think fast enough to be a cover man.
 We have two good linebackers and a hope with the other 4. A big move would really help.
4-5 really good prospects got released yesterday. I hope we get them back.

Blackmon's coverage struggles go well beyond last year.

 

Not ready to say 2 good LBs yet. Oke has to prove he can do well against the run. Even limited to passing downs last year, he still struggled at time in both phases. 

 

I have zero clue what to expect from Tell. Between position change, opt out, and injuries, just doesn't seem to get traction. 

[coltsfan1965]

25 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Blackmon testified that because of last years injury he lost considerable training time. As the season went on he lost his legs.
 He and Willis will be better as a unit. I am not concerned.
 Tell is an athlete trying to figure out how to be a corner. I'm not at all optomistic he will ever think fast enough to be a cover man.
 We have two good linebackers and a hope with the other 4. A big move would really help.
4-5 really good prospects got released yesterday. I hope we get them back.

As far as the linebackers, I really liked how Speed was playing before he got hurt. Adams and Franklin are solid.

Tell doesn't have to be great. He just has to be better than RYS. I've lost faith that RYS is ever going to live up to what they want.

[TimetobringDfence!]

2 hours ago, TimetobringDfence! said:

1.Chachere showed an strong nose for the ball. Very good tackler as well, thought he out played Odum. Kaufusi shows promise, Glasgow just played well enough to keep his spot.

2. Stallworth never impressed me, I liked Brown better. When Dayo comes back I bet Stallworth goes. Tell was a surprising keep to me, but he didn't play much to judge him. I have a feeling we will see him at safety more this year.

3. I'm impressed with the level of competition at WR. Stachan and Patmon are very solid. Vaughns and Black werent slouches. If TY misses significant time he may not start in INDY ever again. 

Speed of the Defense, our defense will be a lot faster in the front seven this year.

4. I want to see Chachere and Dion Jackson on the practice squad.

5. I'm very happy about Paye being very humble and veteran like. 

6. I'm most unhappy about this Vax rule poisoning chemistry and practice time league wide.

 

 

 

Wow I can't believe I didn't see Chachere made the team. I over looked that.

[chad72]

3 hours ago, EastStreet said:

most surprised about (roster below)

1. Stallworth - overloaded at NT (kept 4)
2. Tell - kept a bunch of CBs

 

Could this be because Henry ran over us when both Buckner and Autry missed the game at home due to Covid?

[EastStreet]

10 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Could this be because Henry ran over us when both Buckner and Autry missed the game at home due to Covid?

 

Welp Autry/Buckner aren't NTs though. They both slide over on late and obvious passing downs, at least Buckner does, and we expect Lewis to do the same like Autry (or at least I do). We already rotated Grover pretty good. 

 

Keeping Rochelle for DE/3T depth fits that reasoning though.

 

Here's the snap counts from last year for NT.

Stewart 56%

Stallworth 25%

 

So about 80ish%. Maybe they are trying to get Stewart down a bit lower.

 

Here's the guys in the NT stack currently.

Stewart 6-4 / 315

Woods 6-1 / 310

Stallworth 6-2 / 305

Williams 6-2 / 302

 

That's not to say we can't play two of the 4 above at the same time, or none of them can play 3T, it's just we don't see it much. Not even sure we saw it on goal line or xx down and inches. 

 

Just a little surprised we kept 4 of the guys with NT size (300+), and not other prototypical 3T (Buckner for instance is 6-7 / 295).

 

Maybe one of those guys are the next Grady Jarret type (6-0 / 305) beast. I've met him several times, and he doesn't look 305 though. 

 

[Thunderbolt]

1. Name the 2 roster cuts you are most surprised about (all cuts below)

   Deon Jackson 

   Andrew Brown

2. Name the 2 roster keeps you are most surprised about (roster below)

   Jordan Wilkins

   Jack Doyle

3. Name two general/misc things (unit size, health recovery, etc,) that you are surprised about

   Surprised Wentz is not vaccinated yet and thought Eason could managed the game a little better in the preseason, especially didn't throw a touchdown.

4. Name two cut players you hope make it to the PS

 Andrew Brown and Sean Davis

5. What are you most happy about?

No serious injuries to the #1 running back

6.What are you most unhappy about?

Wentz not starting(mayibe), not getting enough practice time and showing the stuff he was traded for.

[Jackie Daytona]

4 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

DB is one of my biggest concerns, it's not solely focused on CB. 

I'm happy with NB and CB1. Concerned about CB2 and FS.

We don't ask much of SS, and Willis is doing more than fine.

I'd you think willis at SS is more than fine, I'm not seeing the concern at FS?

[Jackie Daytona]

4 hours ago, TimetobringDfence! said:

 

6. I'm most unhappy about this Vax rule poisoning chemistry and practice time league wide.

 

 

 

Mostly only an issue in Indy, MN, TN and Buffalo....lol.

[EastStreet]

17 minutes ago, SchlicterSZN said:

I'd you think willis at SS is more than fine, I'm not seeing the concern at FS?

Pretty simple. We don't ask much of SS. It's more or less a coverage LB for us staying close to LOS and in the flat. Willis does a good job of what he's asked to do.

 

Blackmon is asked to do a lot more in both our C3 and quarters/C6, and he struggles in coverage.