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2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Unless they test every player daily, it could be worse.   Unvaccinated can get and transmit covid.   If they aren't being tested daily they could spread to more than an unvaxed player that is tested everyday

Daily testing would definitely change things and I think it's warranted. Honestly, I think the delta variant threw a wrench in some of the current protocols, making them a a bit dated, since one of the prevailing thoughts at that time was that vaccinated people were highly resistant to covid and weren't able to spread it. Delta changed that and I think daily testing again will be the best thing they can do at this time to help mitigate spread within the organization.

 

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

Let’s hope Wentz, Leonard and Kelly were among those who finally took the step.

Based on their most recent pressers, I highly doubt it.

 

9 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Does it matter if staffers aren't vaccinated?

I want to say that there were rules around certain "tiers" of staff having to be vaccinated and a few teams let assistants go that refused to get vaccinated. It may have not been a mandate, but it could have been that the rules for unvaccinated staff made it that much more difficult to operate in a way that even resembles "normal".

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3 minutes ago, Shive said:

Daily testing would definitely change things and I think it's warranted. Honestly, I think the delta variant threw a wrench in some of the current protocols, making them a a bit dated, since one of the prevailing thoughts at that time was that vaccinated people were highly resistant to covid and weren't able to spread it. Delta changed that and I think daily testing again will be the best thing they can do at this time to help mitigate spread within the organization.

 

Based on their most recent pressers, I highly doubt it.

 

I want to say that there were rules around certain "tiers" of staff having to be vaccinated and a few teams let assistants go that refused to get vaccinated. It may have not been a mandate, but it could have been that the rules for unvaccinated staff made it that much more difficult to operate in a way that even resembles "normal".

I believe unvaccinated staff could not have access to players. So I think it’s safe to assume any staff around the players is vaccinated.

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I wonder how the new OSHA Covid mandate will affect NFL teams.

 

All the franchises have over 100 employees.  But, as far as OSHA regs are concerned, are players considered employees or independent contractors?

 

The new rule does allow for weekly testing in lieu of vaccination.  And I know that NFL players are getting regularly tested already.  So, maybe this won't impact teams all that much.  I was hoping this might have been the impetus for our holdouts to finally go ahead and take the plunge.

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5 hours ago, luv_pony_express said:

I wonder how the new OSHA Covid mandate will affect NFL teams.

 

All the franchises have over 100 employees.  But, as far as OSHA regs are concerned, are players considered employees or independent contractors?

 

The new rule does allow for weekly testing in lieu of vaccination.  And I know that NFL players are getting regularly tested already.  So, maybe this won't impact teams all that much.  I was hoping this might have been the impetus for our holdouts to finally go ahead and take the plunge.

 

I'd guess employees. They get health care for themselves and their families.

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Just as I expected players aren’t following protocols anymore. He is still wearing a mask in his presses so I am sure he isn’t vaccinated. Pascal has been posting a lot of stuff unmasked also when rules say he should be wearing a mask. He hasn’t done a presser so he might of got it. Same with Eric Fisher. Unmasked in the locker room. Unless he had covid while also being vaccinated. He wouldn’t be fully vaxed because you have to wait so long after testing positive.

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6 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

Just as I expected players aren’t following protocols anymore. He is still wearing a mask in his presses so I am sure he isn’t vaccinated. Pascal has been posting a lot of stuff unmasked also when rules say he should be wearing a mask. He hasn’t done a presser so he might of got it. Same with Eric Fisher. Unmasked in the locker room. Unless he had covid while also being vaccinated. He wouldn’t be fully vaxed because you have to wait so long after testing positive.

With Hardknocks crews around, I would hope they wouldn't be openly flouting the protocols, but who knows. This may blow up enough that a media member asks about it in a press conference. It'll be interesting to say the least.

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20 hours ago, Wentzszn said:

Just as I expected players aren’t following protocols anymore. He is still wearing a mask in his presses so I am sure he isn’t vaccinated. Pascal has been posting a lot of stuff unmasked also when rules say he should be wearing a mask. He hasn’t done a presser so he might of got it. Same with Eric Fisher. Unmasked in the locker room. Unless he had covid while also being vaccinated. He wouldn’t be fully vaxed because you have to wait so long after testing positive.

 

That's a false conclusion to draw... plenty of vaccinated people still wear masks. 

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Lamar Jackson probably falls in the same boat as Aaron Rodgers too, for the unvaccinated kind. It is harder when you are a QB and have to interact with so many aspects from RBs, WRs, TEs and OL to keep them in the same page like an OC on the field. It is relatively easier if you are just a skill position player like Beasley to reduce points of exposure, IMO.

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Here is a USA Today piece that talks about how Aaron Rogers told the media back in August that he was "immunized", but the reality is that he hasn't been vaccinated.  Also, he held press conferences without a mask, which are held in the building, against NFL protocol that non-vaccinated players must wear masks at all times within the team facilities.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2021/11/04/aaron-rodgers-positive-covid-19-what-we-know-packers-qb/6276964001/

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Per the ESPN story:

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Rodgers, 37, had an alternate treatment prior to the start of training camp, sources told ESPN, and he then petitioned the NFL for that treatment to allow him to be considered the same as someone who received one of the approved vaccinations. After a lengthy back-and-forth, the league, the players union and an infectious disease consultant approved by both parties heard Rodgers' case for an exemption and ruled that he would not get the same consideration and would be considered unvaccinated.

So the league and NFLPA were aware that he was not vaccinated.

 

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Sources said Rodgers follows masking protocols while interacting with players and coaches inside the team's headquarters at Lambeau Field. However, Rodgers does not wear a mask while in the media auditorium during his weekly and postgame news conferences. The Packers have put other unvaccinated players on Zoom instead of at in-person media sessions.

 

The NFL on Wednesday said there were "aware of the current situation in Green Bay" and would be reviewing the matter with the Packers.

 

"The primary responsibility for enforcement of the COVID protocols within club facilities rests with each club," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said in a statement. "Failure to properly enforce the protocols has resulted in discipline being assessed against individual clubs in the past."

I don't see how if both the league and the NFLPA both knew that he wasn't vaccinated, the Packers were not aware as well. I could see some fines and/or draft pick forfeit coming GB's way.

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I don't see Rodgers being a Packer next year, just a gut feeling. Packers are caught in this "appease Rodgers or not" purgatory extending to the management and Matt LaFleur w.r.t roster decisions, play calling (very likely that the HC and QB butt heads there) and now this. At some point, they are going to say it is not worth the trouble and might as well get great value for him when they can with a trade in the off season. That would mean the Texans would be left holding the bag if the Eagles decided to roll with Rodgers for their 3 first rounders over Watson due to the uncertainty of his legal issues (would make a great off season story though :))

 

It would be like Brett Favre 2.0, except that it wouldn't hinge around the star QB waxing and waning about retirement. For their sake, it might give them a glimpse of what the future would look like, especially if Jordan Love has to go 2 weeks in a row since Rodgers would not have more than a day of practice to go vs the Seahawks on November 14th.

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There is an NFL issue here and that is, what's going to be the consequence?

So, I'm leaving this open instead of merging it into the existing covid thread.

Please stay focused and don't devolve into the standard arguments on this subject

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I read an article in which Rodgers seemed very defiant. I was like

 

Excuse Me Reaction GIF by Mashable

 

The NFL has protocols for  when one is not "vaccinated". He not only did not follow those protocols but he seemed to deliberately defy them. I think that calls for a punishment just as any other NFL violation would.  Players get punished for not tucking their shirts inside their pants, wearing the wrong sneakers, promoting companies not endorsed by the NFL, etc. I don't see that this is any different.

 

One consequence is that he cannot play for his team today, which if it results in a loss, may impact his team's chances in playoff standings. 

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I don't know if Rodgers followed protocol or not. Many say he didn't. I read that Rodgers is furious that reporters announced his unvaccinated status since he wanted that to be private. Being such a high profile player, how could Rodgers keep something like this private? The media followed him around when he sat out the pre season, so he should have figured that this situation would be advertised. Especially when Green Bay in first place with playoff implications. 

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Set the time machine back to June/July of this year.

Imagine what if Aaron Rodgers said at that time, "No, I am not vaccinated.  I took Hydrochoroquin and Ivermectin.  My personal doctor says that as long as I take such and such a precaution, I do not need to wear a mask at the facility, and can travel on the team charter flights.  I have no intention whatsoever of following the NFL rules in this matter."

 

All at the same time that we were all wondering if he was going to rejoin the team at all, or retire because of being ticked off at the team for personnel moves.

 

Yeah, it would have been explosive.  The NFL would have leaned heavily on the team, and they would have had no choice but to make an ultimatum to Rodgers, risk his retirement For Real, or suffer league-sanctioned consequences.

 

Instead, "Yeah, I've been immunized" was good enough.  It calmed the flames, allowed their HOF quarterback to return to the team to make another run for the superbowl.  Everybody just pipe down.  He said words.  It'll be ok.  Don't rock the boat.  Don't draw attention.

 

Fast-forward to October 25.  What?  He tested positive?  What, he's not vaccinated?  What, he's not been masked?  What?  What?  What?

 

And now, both the NFL and the Packers have to do something.  Or be called hypocrites.

 

What are the odds that Rodgers does not return to the team after these next two games?

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