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  I have been stating the same, as I expect this is his breakout year.  I see many sites having penciled in as a starter on the weak side and I don't see it?  Paye profiles better there with Turay coming in for situational pass rushing downs.  Lewis was solid in the rotation on the strong side with Autry as the starter last year, and I expect especially with the "walk year fever", for him to step up.  Thoughts????

 

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/07/indianapolis-colts-tyquan-lewis-breakout-star-2021/

 

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1 minute ago, MikeCurtis said:

I think (hope) that Turay AND Lewis will stay healthy AND kick it up a notch or two

 

I AM a fan though, so my rose colored glasses misjusdge stuff sometimes  :)

 

 

 

Mine too!  I was a big Mike Curtis fan btw!

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I think Lewis does have a big year. BUT many need to understand that having a big year might only equal 7 to 9 sacks at most. That’s not a bad number as he will be a great at setting the edge and stopping the run. Plus just collapsing the pocket and moving the pocket will be huge. I see him being a key piece though this year on that line. 
 

My prediction is he earns himself a second contract but it won’t be big money by any means. 

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1 hour ago, DaColts85 said:

I think Lewis does have a big year. BUT many need to understand that having a big year might only equal 7 to 9 sacks at most. That’s not a bad number as he will be a great at setting the edge and stopping the run. Plus just collapsing the pocket and moving the pocket will be huge. I see him being a key piece though this year on that line. 
 

My prediction is he earns himself a second contract but it won’t be big money by any means. 

If your position is on the strong side, that is what is expected, thank you!

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1 hour ago, WentzinRome said:

  I have been stating the same, as I expect this is his breakout year.  I see many sites having penciled in as a starter on the weak side and I don't see it?  Paye profiles better there with Turay coming in for situational pass rushing downs.  Lewis was solid in the rotation on the strong side with Autry as the starter last year, and I expect especially with the "walk year fever", for him to step up.  Thoughts????

 

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/07/indianapolis-colts-tyquan-lewis-breakout-star-2021/

 

Any website profiling Lewis on the right or weak side isn’t following the Colts very closely. 
 

Lewis is projected on the left or strong side.  Paye is projected to be the starter on the right or weak side. 
 

Don’t waste a minute worrying about it until the plan changes.   If/when that happens, then you can spend your energy on that.  But for now, no worries.  
 

And not for nothing, not only is Lewis focused on the left side, so is Dayo.  He projects as the starting LDE in 2022.   That makes Lewis’ future with the Colts a storyline to watch the next off-season.  

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2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Any website profiling Lewis on the right or weak side isn’t following the Colts very closely. 
 

Lewis is projected on the left or strong side.  Paye is projected to be the starter on the right or weak side. 
 

Don’t waste a minute worrying about it until the plan changes.   If/when that happens, then you can spend your energy on that.  But for now, no worries.  
 

And not for nothing, not only is Lewis focused on the left side, so is Dayo.  He projects as the starting LDE in 2022.   That makes Lewis’ future with the Colts a storyline to watch the next off-season.  

You read my mind!  Thanks for the reply!

 

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Just now, CR91 said:

Lewis is the defacto starter til Dayo can play. Unfortunately, Turay can't hold up in the run while Lewis is servicable at both

Turay is best used as a situational pass rusher imvho...

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21 minutes ago, CR91 said:

Lewis is the defacto starter til Dayo can play. Unfortunately, Turay can't hold up in the run while Lewis is servicable at both

I was listening to some podcast. I can’t remember which one. They mentioned how Turay was actually a really good run stopper in college. It was his pass moves that needed work.

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1 minute ago, Wentzszn said:

I was listening to some podcast. I can’t remember which one. They mentioned how Turay was actually a really good run stopper in college. It was his pass moves that needed work.

It was his strength in college, but so was his injury issues...his speed would be better utilized as a situational pass rusher, imvho, until he ultimately gets hurt again.  I hate to be negative, but he he has a lot to prove and Lewis an eventually Dayo set the edge better as of NOW.

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I’m always a fan of a player shedding the bust label and producing. Sophomore slump has some people hesitant but I like the overall progression towards filling the Sheard/Autry role.

 

Dayo seems to fit that “mold” as well and I’m not complaining as I see no redundancy because you need depth on the DL regardless. All the better for us if they both ball out. Lewis is either going to earn a second contract with us or play himself out of our price range and we’ll see the return in a draft pick.

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1 hour ago, MONEYdontLIE said:

I’m always a fan of a player shedding the bust label and producing. Sophomore slump has some people hesitant but I like the overall progression towards filling the Sheard/Autry role.

 

Dayo seems to fit that “mold” as well and I’m not complaining as I see no redundancy because you need depth on the DL regardless. All the better for us if they both ball out. Lewis is either going to earn a second contract with us or play himself out of our price range and we’ll see the return in a draft pick.

heckuva post!      :thmup:

 

Well said.     
 

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23 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Any website profiling Lewis on the right or weak side isn’t following the Colts very closely. 
 

Lewis is projected on the left or strong side.  Paye is projected to be the starter on the right or weak side. 
 

Don’t waste a minute worrying about it until the plan changes.   If/when that happens, then you can spend your energy on that.  But for now, no worries.  
 

And not for nothing, not only is Lewis focused on the left side, so is Dayo.  He projects as the starting LDE in 2022.   That makes Lewis’ future with the Colts a storyline to watch the next off-season.  

I have to agree.  The line on Lewis when he came out of Ohio State was that he was high on strength, high on effort, high on leadership, and high on character.  But they also said that he was a jack of all trades, master of none.  With an emphasis on master of none.  He certainly will start at LDE, for 6 full games, and possibly more, until Dayo is able to play, and challenge for the starting role.  His stats ought to go up.  The bottom line is, this is the last rookie year contract for his draft class.  And not everybody is going to get a second contract.  Not with the projected salary cap we're going to have.   And his position was drafted not once, but twice.  Those guys are expected to start.  It's possible that both he and Turay have good seasons and neither one gets signed.

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On 7/7/2021 at 7:33 PM, NewColtsFan said:

Any website profiling Lewis on the right or weak side isn’t following the Colts very closely. 
 

Lewis is projected on the left or strong side.  Paye is projected to be the starter on the right or weak side. 
 

Don’t waste a minute worrying about it until the plan changes.   If/when that happens, then you can spend your energy on that.  But for now, no worries.  
 

And not for nothing, not only is Lewis focused on the left side, so is Dayo.  He projects as the starting LDE in 2022.   That makes Lewis’ future with the Colts a storyline to watch the next off-season.  

 

On 7/7/2021 at 5:26 PM, WentzinRome said:

  I have been stating the same, as I expect this is his breakout year.  I see many sites having penciled in as a starter on the weak side and I don't see it?  Paye profiles better there with Turay coming in for situational pass rushing downs.  Lewis was solid in the rotation on the strong side with Autry as the starter last year, and I expect especially with the "walk year fever", for him to step up.  Thoughts????

 

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/07/indianapolis-colts-tyquan-lewis-breakout-star-2021/

 

 

If we all agree that the RDE=Weakside=rush DE and LDE=Strongside=power DE, then yes, I agree Paye should be the starting RDE out of the gate. But I'll just say this, I wouldn't be surprised to see them change things up as the year goes along. It's going to be interesting IMO for several reasons. It could be simply how the pieces fit, or more how the rotation fits.

 

Just looking at size, and expectations of LDE (bigger, best vs the run) / RDE (typically smaller, best rushing the passer)

 

DEs by weight

  • Rochell - 6-4 / 280
    • Played in a funky DL scheme in LAC, probably better suited for the Colts 4-3 as a tweener.
    • I saw a tweet or article a while back he was leaning up
    • contract year
  • Lewis - 6-3 / 269 (277)
    • Played RDE as rook, and more LDE last year. Expected to be a tweener. Not great vs the run.
    • Had one of the better sack/snap ratios on the team. How much of that was from 3T I don't know, but think most of his sacks were from the inside.
    • Differing weights depending on what site you look at, but assume he'd be leaning up a little if he intended to play more DE this year.
    • contract year
  • Odeyingbo - 6-6 / 276
    • Played both sides. IIRC, better pressure rate than Paye
    • Missed a lot of tackles, way too many for a LDE. 
  • Paye - 6-2.5 / 261
    • Played RDE at UM, but lined up all over the place including inside. Raw, and will likely need time.
    • Great motor on tape, but not a lot of stats (sacks). Good vs the run.
  • Banogu - 6-3 / 252
    • Not sure what to expect, but I think his ceiling for 2020 is situational pass rusher
  • AQM - 6-4 / 250
    • He's still an enigma to me given his college off the field issues, and not really playing his final two years.
    • Had 150+ more snaps than Lewis last year, but think most were early downs as RDE. Pretty decent vs the run. He looked decent at times too on pass downs.
    • contract year
  • Turay - 6-5 / 248
    • I just want him to at least be and effective pass down specialist (either side). Played RDE mostly as a rook, not sure about last season.
    • Contract year

Biggest questions for me....

  1. Who will fill the tweener role, shifting inside/3T on passing downs? Given Lewis might be needed on the outside more this year, Rochell may get the nod. The answer to this could have ripple effects. IMO, Lewis and Rochell are only guys able to shift inside. Not having a tweener that can shift, means we're using someone like Cline or Windsor, neither of which excites me in the pass rush area. Dayo might be able in time, but that's total projection.
  2. Who will be the best pure pass rusher? Might they get the nod at RDE on passing downs? Paye, Turay, Lewis? Paye's sack #s were never really great in college, and in general, it typically takes most rook pass rushers time to adjust entering the NFL. Turay has injury concerns. Is Lewis the best rush threat out of the gate? IDK... 
  3. 4 of 7 DEs on the roster are in contract years. And while Banogu still has another year, this may be in effect his last chance to show something. So really only our 2 rooks are long term at this point. That's a bit scary. At least this should drive competition.... 

Overall, I could see a lot of rotation, and a ton musical chairs during the year.

 

 

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3 hours ago, John Hammonds said:

I have to agree.  The line on Lewis when he came out of Ohio State was that he was high on strength, high on effort, high on leadership, and high on character.  But they also said that he was a jack of all trades, master of none.  With an emphasis on master of none.  He certainly will start at LDE, for 6 full games, and possibly more, until Dayo is able to play, and challenge for the starting role.  His stats ought to go up.  The bottom line is, this is the last rookie year contract for his draft class.  And not everybody is going to get a second contract.  Not with the projected salary cap we're going to have.   And his position was drafted not once, but twice.  Those guys are expected to start.  It's possible that both he and Turay have good seasons and neither one gets signed.

Some things to consider. 

 

As far as Lewis's college situation, he was moved around a ton (inside and out) due to several elite guys around him. 

In 2015-2017, along with Lewis, OSU had both Nick and Joey Bosa, Hubbard, and Chase Young. He led the team in sacks in 2015 and 2016, and was second in 2017 (1.5 behind Bosa). 

 

Not trying to say that Lewis was, is, or will be elite. What I am saying is he had good sack stats while competing directly with/against elite DEs around him. I'd say it's also possible that he was moved around a lot at OSU simply because he had the size, and others simply couldn't shift inside and maintain performance like he could.

 

He also had one of the better pressure/snap ratios on the team. 

Here's how they stacked last year.

 

DE / Pressures / Snaps / %

Turay / 5 / 95 / 5.2% - only played really on passing downs

Houston / 25 / 608 / 4.1% - more a less a two down DE (2nd and 3rd), was top 10 pass rush win rate (in the NFL)

Lewis / 16 / 415 / 3.9% - was used all over

Autry / 22 / 631 / 3.5% - shifted inside a lot on late downs

AQM / 14 / 579 / 2.4% - mostly early downs, so 2.4% isn't really all that bad given his lack of pass rush opportunity

Rochell / 9 / 437 / 2.1% - played in funky 3-4/4-3 hybrid, hard to judge

Banogu / 2 / 100 / 2% - 2% is pretty weak given most snaps were passing downs

 

For comparison's sake.... Buckner had 31 in 751 snaps, for 4.1%, and was in on roughly 73% of snaps. 

 

 

In short, I think Lewis, much like Autry, is a bit underappreciated. Both have position flexibility which ups their value. 

Is he, or can he be and elite pass rusher, probably not. Will he be better than Paye out of the gate this season, maybe. 

 

 

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On 7/7/2021 at 5:52 PM, DaColts85 said:

I think Lewis does have a big year. BUT many need to understand that having a big year might only equal 7 to 9 sacks at most. That’s not a bad number as he will be a great at setting the edge and stopping the run. Plus just collapsing the pocket and moving the pocket will be huge. I see him being a key piece though this year on that line. 
 

My prediction is he earns himself a second contract but it won’t be big money by any means. 

7-9 sacks would be a huge year from him....

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Lots of variables here for after 2021.   Does Dayo impress?   Did Lewis step it up?   

My guess is that Lewis has a pretty decent year (9-11 sacks) and is gone next season.  

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5 minutes ago, Myles said:

Lots of variables here for after 2021.   Does Dayo impress?   Did Lewis step it up?   

My guess is that Lewis has a pretty decent year (9-11 sacks) and is gone next season.  

If Tyquan Lewis gets 9-11 sacks and is gone next year, that would kill any credibility Ballard had in saying he would keep his own if they did well IMO. I don't care where you drafted Paye and Dayo, getting rid of a 9-11 sack guy would be terrible for a team with no EDGE rushers that are decent at this time. Right now, it's all potential.

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29 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If Tyquan Lewis gets 9-11 sacks and is gone next year, that would kill any credibility Ballard had in saying he would keep his own if they did well IMO. I don't care where you drafted Paye and Dayo, getting rid of a 9-11 sack guy would be terrible for a team with no EDGE rushers that are decent at this time. Right now, it's all potential.

Yep. Totally agree with this. But what happens if Turay also gets that. How do we afford Turay and Lewis. There are going to be some tough decisions this offseason. Ballard hadn’t had to let anyone go he wanted to 100% keep. This next off season is going to be one he will probably have to do that.

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52 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If Tyquan Lewis gets 9-11 sacks and is gone next year, that would kill any credibility Ballard had in saying he would keep his own if they did well IMO. I don't care where you drafted Paye and Dayo, getting rid of a 9-11 sack guy would be terrible for a team with no EDGE rushers that are decent at this time. Right now, it's all potential.

Did it ever occur to you that Lewis might not leave for better money?  But he might leave for a better opportunity.  You know, more playing time?   More snaps.    It might not be a case of Ballard “getting rid” of him.   Same with Turay.   
 

Let’s see what plays out before you pronounce the latest problem for the Colts long before it even happens. 
 

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7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Did it ever occur to you that Lewis might not leave for better money?  But he might leave for a better opportunity.  You know, more playing time?   More snaps.    It might not be a case of Ballard “getting rid” of him.   Same with Turay.   
 

Let’s see what plays out before you pronounce the latest problem for the Colts long before it even happens. 
 

If Lewis hypothetically got 9-11 sacks, and didn't get more playing time, then that would also be questionable. In that scenario, Lewis should be the starter over Paye or Dayo because he would have earned it this year. 

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37 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If Lewis hypothetically got 9-11 sacks, and didn't get more playing time, then that would also be questionable. In that scenario, Lewis should be the starter over Paye or Dayo because he would have earned it this year. 

Why don’t we wait until Lewis gets 9-11 sacks?    I’ll believe that when it happens. 

 

That would be a nice problem to have. 

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2 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If Tyquan Lewis gets 9-11 sacks and is gone next year, that would kill any credibility Ballard had in saying he would keep his own if they did well IMO. I don't care where you drafted Paye and Dayo, getting rid of a 9-11 sack guy would be terrible for a team with no EDGE rushers that are decent at this time. Right now, it's all potential.

I don't think Ballards comments mean he HAS to keep every drafted player who does well.   Of course he will try, but the Colts will be in a tough cap situation and if Lewis demand big dollars we will not be able to keep him.   Lot's of variables though.  If Kwitty and Dayo play well, you cannot justify signing Lewis to a big contract when you have Kwitty and Dayo on rookie contracts.   We'll see.  

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44 minutes ago, Myles said:

I don't think Ballards comments mean he HAS to keep every drafted player who does well.   Of course he will try, but the Colts will be in a tough cap situation and if Lewis demand big dollars we will not be able to keep him.   Lot's of variables though.  If Kwitty and Dayo play well, you cannot justify signing Lewis to a big contract when you have Kwitty and Dayo on rookie contracts.   We'll see.  

 

Exactly. Signing your own doesn't mean signing all of your own, every time, although that would be nice. If Lewis has a great season, we can talk about it.

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I know Lewis hit 4 sacks last year in limited snaps.   (400?).    I only wish it was as simple as saying if he plays 1,000 snaps he should get 10 sacks.   I know that math makes it seem like a reasonable assumption.  But I’d say while that happens sometimes, it typically doesn’t happen that often.  
 

More snaps means more film.   More success means more attention from opposing teams.  Teams that didn’t give much focus to Lewis before will give him great respect if he suddenly blows up.   I think if Lewis gets 6-8 sacks, that’s a win for everyone.   Anything more is gravy. 

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4 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If Tyquan Lewis gets 9-11 sacks and is gone next year, that would kill any credibility Ballard had in saying he would keep his own if they did well IMO. I don't care where you drafted Paye and Dayo, getting rid of a 9-11 sack guy would be terrible for a team with no EDGE rushers that are decent at this time. Right now, it's all potential.

 

 What if is such fun...
 Say we don't franchise tag Lewis and he gets a 4 yr $48M offer.
 You say Ballard will suck if he doesn't match it, and Lewis of course has to take it. Weeeee, what if!

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8 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If Tyquan Lewis gets 9-11 sacks and is gone next year, that would kill any credibility Ballard had in saying he would keep his own if they did well IMO. I don't care where you drafted Paye and Dayo, getting rid of a 9-11 sack guy would be terrible for a team with no EDGE rushers that are decent at this time. Right now, it's all potential.

I like to look at pressures, as much or more than sacks, but I could easily see Lewis getting in the 7-11 range. There's a lot of variables though. Which downs is he playing most, and where is he playing.

 

I personally think he'll play early down LDE and late down DT, and probably getting more total snaps than any other DE. But that's all subjective projection based on how I think he and others will come along. If Paye and/or Turay aren't getting home, he may be needed late downs on the outside, in which case his opportunity for pressures and sacks would increase. 

 

As far as Ballard keeping him, or letting him walk, it would also be dependent on a lot of factors. I think he sticks regardless simply because of his tweener value. That might decrease a little if for instance a guy like Rochell is effective inside on passing downs.

 

But I do agree in general, if he hits the 10 sack mark, and we let him walk, that goes against the grain. Some folks try to do mental gymnastics on the topic, but it's pretty simple. Draft a player, that players does well, then you resign him. If you don't resign him, your word (on the topic) is in question. Purely my opinion, but I think the whole "pay your own" is mostly coach speak. Teams will pay their own when it's good for business and in their interest, and not pay their own at their discretion. 

8 hours ago, Wentzszn said:

Yep. Totally agree with this. But what happens if Turay also gets that. How do we afford Turay and Lewis. There are going to be some tough decisions this offseason. Ballard hadn’t had to let anyone go he wanted to 100% keep. This next off season is going to be one he will probably have to do that.

Just my opinion, but if Lewis can prove effective inside and outside, and be useful on all 3 downs, his value might be higher than Turay's if Turay is on a passing downs specialist (assuming their sack/pressure %s are similar).

6 hours ago, Myles said:

I don't think Ballards comments mean he HAS to keep every drafted player who does well.   Of course he will try, but the Colts will be in a tough cap situation and if Lewis demand big dollars we will not be able to keep him.   Lot's of variables though.  If Kwitty and Dayo play well, you cannot justify signing Lewis to a big contract when you have Kwitty and Dayo on rookie contracts.   We'll see.  

Like I said above, really depends on how each are used, and what downs. Lewis to me projects inside and outside and has value all downs. Depends of course on what others do, but even if Paye and Dayo are good, not sure you can let a highly effective tweener walk. Both Paye and Dayo lined up inside and outside in college, but I don't see them having that ability early on. 

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It would be a shame if we finally get a really good pass rush and can’t keep it. 
 

Yeah I would say Lewis might be more valuable then Turay. Lewis seems to have lut everything together and is over the injury bug.

 

I think Paye is going to be really good right out of the gate. He has this vibe about him I just feel it in my gut he is going to be really good. Even as a rookie. 

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1 minute ago, Wentzszn said:

It would be a shame if we finally get a really good pass rush and can’t keep it. 
 

Yeah I would say Lewis might be more valuable then Turay. Lewis seems to have lut everything together and is over the injury bug.

 

I think Paye is going to be really good right out of the gate. He has this vibe about him I just feel it in my gut he is going to be really good. Even as a rookie. 

Just a hot take, but having a whole new starting outside (both DEs), even when you add a promising draft pick (or two), is not exactly a recipe for more sacks than last year. IMO, we're going to have a ton of rotation and musical chairs. But even if the rooks are good and the others are decent, our scheme is still pretty conservative and relies primarily on a 4 man rush. I'd love it if the DL all of sudden was lights out, but I just doubt there's much difference this year.

 

I love Paye, and the entire story around him, but I think he's a complete wildcard in year one. And I just don't expect much if anything from Dayo in year one. The backbone of the DL (talking DE) may likely be Lewis and Turay in 2021. 

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8 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

It would be a shame if we finally get a really good pass rush and can’t keep it. 
 

Yeah I would say Lewis might be more valuable then Turay. Lewis seems to have lut everything together and is over the injury bug.

 

I think Paye is going to be really good right out of the gate. He has this vibe about him I just feel it in my gut he is going to be really good. Even as a rookie. 

Lewis might be more valuable than Turay….   For now.  For right now.   But an NFL season is a marathon, not a sprint.   Things can and likely will change over the course of a season. 
 

We don’t know if Lewis can stay healthy for 17 games as a starter.  He did as a backup.   But his snap count is about to go way up.   
 

Look at how much better both Pittman and Taylor were in the second half of last season compared to the first half.   Look how much Blackmon fell off the last quarter of the season.   Things happen.   Stuff happens over the course of a long season.  
 

Lots of good young players have lots to prove this year.   Should make for an interesting season…. 
 

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55 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Lewis might be more valuable than Turay….   For now.  For right now.   But an NFL season is a marathon, not a sprint.   Things can and likely will change over the course of a season. 
 

We don’t know if Lewis can stay healthy for 17 games as a starter.  He did as a backup.   But his snap count is about to go way up.   
 

Look at how much better both Pittman and Taylor were in the second half of last season compared to the first half.   Look how much Blackmon fell off the last quarter of the season.   Things happen.   Stuff happens over the course of a long season.  
 

Lots of good young players have lots to prove this year.   Should make for an interesting season…. 
 

The thing  is yes Lewis will get more snaps but they do like rotating dline so it may not get exceptionally high. In  Lewis first 2 seasons we never heard from him in interviews or anything. It was weird. After a pretty good 3rd season we now are getting to learn so much more about him in interviews. Really impressed with him. He has grown so much.

 

For ms Turay just has to make sure that ankle is right and stay healthy. I don’t think there is any question on whether he can play or not. He looks great in his Instagram stories.  
 

After being mad at how bad the dline seemed to be after not getting anyone in FA I am even more excited now. We did great in the draft. Then hopefully Turay can stay healthy and Lewis keeps improving from last season we should be pretty good. I love the young talent on the dline. Ballard is going to look like a genius again if they can stay healthy.

 

I can’t believe we are only 2.5 weeks from camp. I am so pumped.

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7 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

The thing  is yes Lewis will get more snaps but they do like rotating dline so it may not get exceptionally high. In  Lewis first 2 seasons we never heard from him in interviews or anything. It was weird. After a pretty good 3rd season we now are getting to learn so much more about him in interviews. Really impressed with him. He has grown so much.

 

For ms Turay just has to make sure that ankle is right and stay healthy. I don’t think there is any question on whether he can play or not. He looks great in his Instagram stories.  
 

After being mad at how bad the dline seemed to be after not getting anyone in FA I am even more excited now. We did great in the draft. Then hopefully Turay can stay healthy and Lewis keeps improving from last season we should be pretty good. I love the young talent on the dline. Ballard is going to look like a genius again if they can stay healthy.

 

I can’t believe we are only 2.5 weeks from camp. I am so pumped.

Most forget, but keep in mind Lewis had a decent rook year after he got off IR (he began the season on IR due to a toe). He had 11 pressures and 2 sacks (and 4 KDs) on only 300ish snaps. Not great or elite, but OK for a guy that was thrust into starting 6 games as a rook tweener after missing some preseason and early games. Injury IIRC took it's toll in 2019, but his 2020 season (started 4 games) wasn't all that out of the blue compared to his rook year.

 

As far as Turay is concerned, he seemed to find his form late last year in limited use. His best game was the last game of the year (reg season). He had only 15 snaps, but had a sack, a TFL, and 3 QB hits. I was a little surprised we only saw him on 9 snaps vs the Bills. Overall, I'm pretty confident he'll be effective (if healthy) as a pass rush specialist. The big question for me is can he become more than specialist. 

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10 hours ago, Wentzszn said:

It would be a shame if we finally get a really good pass rush and can’t keep it. 
 

Yeah I would say Lewis might be more valuable then Turay. Lewis seems to have lut everything together and is over the injury bug.

 

I think Paye is going to be really good right out of the gate. He has this vibe about him I just feel it in my gut he is going to be really good. Even as a rookie. 

 I think we’re at a point where we’re going to lose some solid players to free agency. Not a bad place to be, as long as their replacements step up.
  It’s interesting to see guys like Lewis, Rhodes, Moore, Pascal, Cox and others become better players in Indy than they were elsewhere. It’s a sign of a good coaching staff.

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