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I know the active game roster is predicated on a number of things, injuries, scheme that week, who can play multiple positions, etc.

 

And I know Frank has the ultimate authority.  But I imagine that his D-Line coach Baker and Flus tell him who they think should play or sit.

 

I heard rumblings about his practices, I don't know if it's true.  He's saying all the right things, and they say the right things about him.  Still it comes down to how he does in practice.  He basically got beat out by a 6th round pick who was picked up off waivers.  That's not what you want for your second rounder.

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I just love to really root for some of these guys that have had a bad break or two. They just work and work and try for the 1% every day. You could tell listening to Tyquan that he thinks Ben Benogu has something on the ball. A guy like Parris Campbell (he looks really good) is hard not to pull for. I did particularly enjoy the Lewis interview in that he is a no nonsense kind of guy that just busts his hump every day.

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Doesn’t look good for him. DE is getting very crowded and this year will determine a lot for this position group. Loved the first two picks in the draft. Can’t have enough guys to rush the QB. Someone will step up and become the go to guy.  

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8 hours ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Someone will step up and become the go to guy.  

I believe this

 

Maybe its because I am a fan, but surely one of these guys will break out this year

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11 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:

I believe this

 

Maybe its because I am a fan, but surely one of these guys will break out this year

I would be ok with three DEs getting 8 sacks each.  That would be a solid rotation. 

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3 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

I know it cannot happen at this point but i wish he could be that strong side linebacker they were hoping he could be instead of a DE.

 

  Not sure what they were thinking with the LB possibility. No matter how he tested.
Trying to think positive while watching his college tape, he looked more stiff than athletically flexible, bendy.
 I would think that if he was Close to the athlete they thought they had, he should have been quite capable of playing 1st down strong side LB against a strong (Tenn. type) running team. Seems he flopped that and since struggled to compete as a DE.
 I am not sure how he becomes long term worthy of a 53 man spot without a considerable burst in his skills.
 And i am very concerned about Rock playing at a high enough level, if only based on his high end speed. 

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4 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

  Not sure what they were thinking with the LB possibility. No matter how he tested.
Trying to think positive while watching his college tape, he looked more stiff than athletically flexible, bendy.
 I would think that if he was Close to the athlete they thought they had, he should have been quite capable of playing 1st down strong side LB against a strong (Tenn. type) running team. Seems he flopped that and since struggled to compete as a DE.
 I am not sure how he becomes long term worthy of a 53 man spot without a considerable burst in his skills.
 And i am very concerned about Rock playing at a high enough level, if only based on his high end speed. 

Yup.  it definitely didn't pan out.  When they compared him to Jaimie Collins after the draft i got very excited.  Not so much now!

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2 hours ago, Fluke_33 said:

Yup.  it definitely didn't pan out.  When they compared him to Jaimie Collins after the draft i got very excited.  Not so much now!

I was certainly having visions of a Marcus Washington type role when they talked about that. 5 to 6 sacks a year and setting the edge versus the run.....

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On 5/26/2021 at 5:35 PM, Scott Pennock said:

I was certainly having visions of a Marcus Washington type role when they talked about that. 5 to 6 sacks a year and setting the edge versus the run.....

After going back and rewatching his college highlights it still occurs to me why they thought the SAM Backer spot may be a good fit for him. Most of all the behind the line of scrimmage activity he had either came as a stunt (from a 3 point stance) or standing up similar to a 3-4 outside rush backer.

 

I think he got into training camp that year and either showed one of two things:

1) He looked okay playing with his hand in the dirt

or

2) He looked absolutely lost in space on the outside zones/coverage

 

So they decided to ditch the SAM Backer spot and just line him up at DE.

 

Again, I was all aboard for that SAM role much like Marcus Washington played for us (and the Redskins) and while this is a pivotal year for him they should use him the way his abilities are set-up to use. He may not work out here and leave via free agency to a 3-4 team and they slot him out there and he blossoms like the other TCU fella we had.....Jerry Hughes. AKA square peg in round hole.

 

He has the athletic traits to play SAM thats for darn sure....

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I've replied on this topic before but when I was looking at the galleries from the OTAs it made me want to reply again. This D-line may well be a monster this year. I was looking at Kwity's get-off. He is planed forward like a freakin ski jumper with those massive legs driving to the contact point to deliver a good lick. D-Buck....well he's D-Buck. Grove has taken off the baby fat and is now a huge mountain of muscle. That old footwork skill from putting the shot makes the Grovenator unfun to block. Tyquan is busting it and constantly improving. Just listening to the crowd roar "DAYO" should be plenty of motivation for DO. Kemoko is getting healthy again. Ben had better hustle or he might get cut. From what I hear though, he's got some superlative skills. I'm just plainly not worried about the D-line.

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26 minutes ago, bleevit said:

I've replied on this topic before but when I was looking at the galleries from the OTAs it made me want to reply again. This D-line may well be a monster this year. I was looking at Kwity's get-off. He is planed forward like a freakin ski jumper with those massive legs driving to the contact point to deliver a good lick. D-Buck....well he's D-Buck. Grove has taken off the baby fat and is now a huge mountain of muscle. That old footwork skill from putting the shot makes the Grovenator unfun to block. Tyquan is busting it and constantly improving. Just listening to the crowd roar "DAYO" should be plenty of motivation for DO. Kemoko is getting healthy again. Ben had better hustle or he might get cut. From what I hear though, he's got some superlative skills. I'm just plainly not worried about the D-line.

I am sorry ... you are too positive :)

 

 

J/K

 

I am also excited with what this DL COULD be!

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On 6/1/2021 at 5:11 PM, MikeCurtis said:

I am sorry ... you are too positive :)

 

 

J/K

 

I am also excited with what this DL COULD be!

I agree with you, as anything we say this time of year is speculation. As I'm sure you know surprises good and bad, injuries, and any number of countless bad breaks can occur. As I said I agree 100% and I'm so excited for the season to get going that I often have a little fun with the "what ifs" this time of year. Appreciate your response.

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On 6/7/2021 at 7:28 PM, GoColts8818 said:

I am the point I’ll be more surprised if he makes the final roster than if doesn’t.  (Looks at AJ Brown).  Now I am sad :(

 

On 6/7/2021 at 7:32 PM, compuls1v3 said:

Could be. It happens.  Fortunately for the Colts, that percentage is in the minority.

Look around the league. Every team busts on a few high picks. No one is immune from that problem. Unfortunately, I agree with GoColts8818: I expect Banogu to get cut. He appears to be a very good athlete, but not a very good football player. He's a mistake that the Colts seem to have acknowledged when considering the position played by their top two choices in the draft. Ben B is standing on the very thinnest of ice, and the temperature is rising.

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We shall see. We were just talking in this same way about Lewis the last couple of seasons and he rose to the occasion. I liked Banogu when we drafted him.  Im trusting he will do the same as Lewis. Some of this same fan base wanted Nyheim Hynes cut after 1 really bad preseason game. People get trigger happy when they dont see things quick enough.

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When it comes to aging veterans. better to move on a year too soon, than a year too late. 

 

When it comes to Colts draft pics. better to move on a year too late, than a year too soon.

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4 hours ago, krunk said:

We shall see. We were just talking in this same way about Lewis the last couple of seasons and he rose to the occasion. I liked Banogu when we drafted him.  Im trusting he will do the same as Lewis. Some of this same fan base wanted Nyheim Hynes cut after 1 really bad preseason game. People get trigger happy when they dont see things quick enough.

Lewis wasn't a stud his first couple of seasons, but his rook season wasn't bad. And we've got plenty of rotational/depth usage out of him as a tweener the last 3 years. Banogu, not really anything in his first two years at all. Very different histories IMO. And if we're being honest, while Lewis did improve last year, it's not like he was a wrecking ball or anything. 

 

For me, Lewis had tweener value at DE/3T coming in, while Banogu was very limited coming in to situational pass rusher. Just very different expectations. And very different careers thus far.

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4 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Lewis wasn't a stud his first couple of seasons, but his rook season wasn't bad. And we've got plenty of rotational/depth usage out of him as a tweener the last 3 years. Banogu, not really anything in his first two years at all. Very different histories IMO. And if we're being honest, while Lewis did improve last year, it's not like he was a wrecking ball or anything. 

 

For me, Lewis had tweener value at DE/3T coming in, while Banogu was very limited coming in to situational pass rusher. Just very different expectations. And very different careers thus far.

We shall see. I think if he does anything close to what Lewis did last year he will stick. Lewis wasnt incredible but he did show the tools they thought he had when they drafted him. We need that same thing from Banogou this year or its probably curtains.

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5 hours ago, krunk said:

We shall see. I think if he does anything close to what Lewis did last year he will stick. Lewis wasnt incredible but he did show the tools they thought he had when they drafted him. We need that same thing from Banogou this year or its probably curtains.

I share that hope. But one thing I doubt we see is Banogu riding the pine 24/7. He either earns rotational minutes or he'll be sent packing. Being a healthy scratch every week is a luxury the team doesn't have. 

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21 hours ago, krunk said:

We shall see. I think if he does anything close to what Lewis did last year he will stick. Lewis wasnt incredible but he did show the tools they thought he had when they drafted him. We need that same thing from Banogou this year or its probably curtains.

It's different. Lewis was able to contribute as a tweener, as both 3T and DE in all 3 downs. Banogu was never really seen as much more than pass rush specialist (unless you count the SAM silliness). So just the snaps available in rotation gives Banogu less opportunity. IMO, he'll need to step up big time as 3rd down DE this year, and those snaps might be at a premium.

 

I truly hope you're right though.

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One of the key things I look for with GMs and coaches is that they need to let go of their initial impressions of players as they watch their progression. Draft picks and such are just a guess. It's definitely an educated guess and everyone wants to think they are accurate, but everyone misses sometimes. If there was an overall failure during the Grigson/Pagano era, it was an addiction to certain draft picks and a lack of player development. I don't see that with Ballard and Reich. With Banogu and maybe Ya-Sin, it may be time to cut bait and move on. 

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  I believe many are discounting the effect that Covid 19 had on player development.  While rookies certainly suffered, so did second year players.  Coach Dungy always preached that the second year was the biggest jump in a player's development.  Both suffered from the lack of OTA's, training camp, and a pre-season.  Let's hope this is the case with Ben?

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12 minutes ago, WentzinRome said:

  I believe many are discounting the effect that Covid 19 had on player development.  While rookies certainly suffered, so did second year players.  Coach Dungy always preached that the second year was the biggest jump in a player's development.  Both suffered from the lack of OTA's, training camp, and a pre-season.  Let's hope this is the case with Ben?

I’ve been saying this for a year in various threads.    Nobody was hurt by Covid restrictions more than Ben Banogu.   No one needed a ton of coaching more.   
 

But now, right or wrong, fair or unfair, he’s got to step up and show development.   No excuses.  BB has to make cutting him or even trading him a very difficult decision.   
 

Sink or swim.   The time is now.   Looking forward to seeing what happens. 

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