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41 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Great stats. However, don't u think 78.1% completion rate is pretty high for a linebacker in this system? He's 215 pounds and should he not be a lot better in coverage?

 

Not really if the goal is to keep things in front of you and gang tackle if you are primarily playing zone coverage, which we employ a lot. The true depth behind the completion percentage would be how many of those completions went for first downs and how many resulted in stopping short of a first down and resulted in punts. 

 

Devin White has a high completion rate in what could be perceived as a primarily man coverage system with Todd Bowles sending blitzers and letting him be 1-on-1 with receiving TEs, but then when the pass rush got to the QB as the season went on, Devin White was good at taking away those first read throws but if he had to stick around the TE longer, he gave up a LOT of completions. That explains why he was stellar in the SB, because the pass rush was getting to the QB faster resulting in a lot of check downs and first read throws. Plus the fact the Bucs made it a point to double team Kelce and Tyreek Hill ALL the time, gave the help of Lavonte David for Kelce too for Devin White thus resulting in one of those guys breaking things up consistently because none of the other pass catchers beat their 1-on-1s for the Chiefs. 

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smith should of been a probowler the las two seasons . he gave up zero sacks starting 15 games , that is amazing he is a shut down tackle and elite run blocker

What I originally typed was: "Slight update on the DL and (Braden Smith's initials) contract negotiations."   But spell check changed it to: "Slight update on the DL and nonsense c

A good point about outliers. Trying to tie this back together, I think the main contention from those opposed to paying Q/Leonard is not that they're not good, or even great players. More that by the

On 5/16/2021 at 2:53 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Losing Hines would be terrible, he is so versatile and fast. I hope we get a deal with him. He could be a player we use the franchise tag on if need be? I put a % on players being re-signed and I had Big Q and Leonard at 100%. I had Smith at 80%, but had Hines at 60% - that may even be 50/50.

Hines fits Reichs west coast offense like a glove. You need fast pass catching RBs to make that offense work.

 

As previous posters have stated, you could use Ecklers contract as a template. 

 

Austin Ekeler signed a 4 year, $24,500,000 contract with the Los Angeles Chargers, including a $6,000,000 signing bonus, $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $6,125,000.

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12 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Hines fits Reichs west coast offense like a glove. You need fast pass catching RBs to make that offense work.

 

As previous posters have stated, you could use Ecklers contract as a template. 

 

Austin Ekeler signed a 4 year, $24,500,000 contract with the Los Angeles Chargers, including a $6,000,000 signing bonus, $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $6,125,000.

I'm a huge fan of Hines. That said, Ekeler IMO is a step above, and much better running the ball.

 

Indy's OL has been easily top 10 while LAC's has been bottom 10, yet Ekeler has significantly better rush AVG (and better Y/R avg). Ekeler IMO is capable of being a feature back with a better OL, while Hines is more limited to the APB role.

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29 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Hines fits Reichs west coast offense like a glove. You need fast pass catching RBs to make that offense work.

 

As previous posters have stated, you could use Ecklers contract as a template. 

 

Austin Ekeler signed a 4 year, $24,500,000 contract with the Los Angeles Chargers, including a $6,000,000 signing bonus, $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $6,125,000.

 

There is another back also drafted in the 2018 class. His name is Boston Scott, slightly bigger than Hines and catches very well out of the back field too. He will fit Reich's offense just as well if Hines asks for too much money.

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10 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

What is the update on the DL?   You wrote about it, but I don’t see any mention.. 

What I originally typed was:

"Slight update on the DL and (Braden Smith's initials) contract negotiations."

 

But spell check changed it to:

"Slight update on the DL and nonsense contract negotiations."

 

Apparently the filter won't allow the two letters that comprise Braden Smith's initials (B and S) to be used next to each other.

 

So I reported the post and asked a Mod to change 'nonsense' back to '(Braden Smith's initials)' but instead it appears they just deleted the word 'nonsense' from the post, resulting in a rather mangled sentence.

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Yeah, I was discussing the Colts cap & contract situation with a specialist the other day.

 

He expects Leonard and Smith before the season, and Nelson to get his most likely near the end (Even though he has his 5th year activated)

 

He also said since the Colts actual cap and APY are so close to each other, there should be no issues finding the cap space to do it. And it won't hamstring them in signing future players.

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Have any of the Board's cap experts done a recent analysis of how the Colts can work through the Leonard and Smith contracts, Q's contract, Hines' likely extension, and any other key contracts and still avoid a critical cap situation? Just wondering now that the apparent or rumored cap numbers for next year have been floated. I'd like to see a simulated cap for the Colts going forward in the next few years carrying these new, major deals ( obviously with assumptions as to what those contracts will look like). If a player has to be let go to keep the team's head above water salary-wise, such as Doyle, I'd like to see those projections as well. Because as everyone knows, as the team's talent matures, they can't keep everyone, and some tough "no-sign/get a comp pick" decisions will have to be made. 

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I really don’t get concerned with the big 3 causing cap problems.  For me the concern comes what if Turay and Lewis have big years. Can we pay then too. I do think we will find a way to get Hines done. He said he wants to be a colt for life. Then you have Fisher too. What if Hilton has a big year. He needs to stay a colt if he does. 22 might be the first year where some hard decisions will need to be made. So far we haven’t had to let anyone go we really wanted to keep it fans love.

 

It would help if Doyle did decide to retire on his own after the season. Seeing his media presser during OTA though it doesn’t sound like that will happrn. He will finish his contract then retire. He says he loves football and is having so much fun.

 

We do have a lot of expiring one year contracts which will help.

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On 5/27/2021 at 10:41 AM, chad72 said:

 

Not really if the goal is to keep things in front of you and gang tackle if you are primarily playing zone coverage, which we employ a lot. The true depth behind the completion percentage would be how many of those completions went for first downs and how many resulted in stopping short of a first down and resulted in punts. 

 

Devin White has a high completion rate in what could be perceived as a primarily man coverage system with Todd Bowles sending blitzers and letting him be 1-on-1 with receiving TEs, but then when the pass rush got to the QB as the season went on, Devin White was good at taking away those first read throws but if he had to stick around the TE longer, he gave up a LOT of completions. That explains why he was stellar in the SB, because the pass rush was getting to the QB faster resulting in a lot of check downs and first read throws. Plus the fact the Bucs made it a point to double team Kelce and Tyreek Hill ALL the time, gave the help of Lavonte David for Kelce too for Devin White thus resulting in one of those guys breaking things up consistently because none of the other pass catchers beat their 1-on-1s for the Chiefs. 

 

 A lot of good insight to your post.
 I will add a little. We play 2 linebackers a lot which leaves them with heavy run stop duties. Leonard is focused first on going forward as a wiser voice than mine suggested. That leaves him vulnerable protecting the flats.
 Walker could not cover the flats, he was an easy guy to game plan for to get 7-8 yards when they needed it. Leonard was slightly better.
 We need really high quality play from our front four. Better than what we got last year.
 And it would be silly to Expect that from day 1 this season. Just the way it is.
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 The point is that hopefully with better play up front our 2 LB set can play faster to the flats. 

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41 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

I really don’t get concerned with the big 3 causing cap problems.  For me the concern comes what if Turay and Lewis have big years. Can we pay then too. I do think we will find a way to get Hines done. He said he wants to be a colt for life. Then you have Fisher too. What if Hilton has a big year. He needs to stay a colt if he does. 22 might be the first year where some hard decisions will need to be made. So far we haven’t had to let anyone go we really wanted to keep it fans love.

 

It would help if Doyle did decide to retire on his own after the season. Seeing his media presser during OTA though it doesn’t sound like that will happrn. He will finish his contract then retire. He says he loves football and is having so much fun.

 

We do have a lot of expiring one year contracts which will help.

 

  Tell us how much we would save if Doyle retires?
  It would have to be a rookie mid-lower rd contract 1st to make much difference.
  With that we would have about $3.7 more. I mean that is fine. He is very effective but replaceable.
 What if we gave him another year and converted his 22 salary to a signing bonus and spread it over two years? He would cost about 2.7m next year.
 You probably know if he retires he still counts 750,000 against our cap.

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37 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

  Tell us how much we would save if Doyle retires?
  It would have to be a rookie mid-lower rd contract 1st to make much difference.
  With that we would have about $3.7 more. I mean that is fine. He is very effective but replaceable.
 What if we gave him another year and converted his 22 salary to a signing bonus and spread it over two years? He would cost about 2.7m next year.
 You probably know if he retires he still counts 750,000 against our cap.

I am not sure how much of cap hit his salary is taking. Isn’t he making like 9 million or something a year. I doubt he retires. He will probably finish his contact then retire.

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On 5/16/2021 at 6:42 AM, Mackrel829 said:

 

You really don't need to feel bad for him. He'll get paid what he deserves. Whether that's with the Colts or not is another matter. If he really wants to remain a Colt, he'll probably have to take a little less than he would elsewhere but that's his decision to make.

 

He's a young man in the the physical prime of his life getting paid millions of dollars to play football and can stop at any point if he chooses. There's really not much to feel bad about lol.

You just described every untagged player in the league when their contract expires.

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Will Ryan Ramczyk's highest right tackle contract come back to bite Ballard with getting Smith's extension done? I am suddenly thinking $17 mil. range will be the demand instead of the $14-15 mil. per year I thought it would be.

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