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On 5/14/2021 at 3:19 PM, NewColtsFan said:

Actually, we don’t have the cap space for Julio Jones unless he redoes his contract which he’s not likely to do. 
 

He’s got a $23 mill cap hit and a dead cap number if over $40 mill.   And the numbers only get modestly better next year.   Plus he’s now 32 years old.   And in top of all that, Atlanta would want draft picks?   Not happening for the Colts.
 

Jones is the right guy but at the wrong time and place.   

Julio's contract, if traded, isn't bad at all.

 

Only cost new team

2021 - $15.3m

2022 - $11.5m

2023 - $11.5m

 

 

Still most likely not to happen here unless we send some money back out.

 

 

Money way to close this year, although Im sure it could be restructured if we made the deal.

 

Possible restructure:

2021 - $1.2m base $4.7m SB = $5.9m cap hit

2022 - $11.5m base $4.7m SB = $16.2m cap hit

2023 - $11.5m base, $4.7m SB = $16.2m cap hit($4.7m dead cap)

 

It could be done, but you're probably right. Wrong place and time.

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3 hours ago, w87r said:

Julio's contract, if traded, isn't bad at all.

 

Only cost new team

2021 - $15.3m

2022 - $11.5m

2023 - $11.5m

 

 

Still most likely not to happen here unless we send some money back out.

 

 

Money way to close this year, although Im sure it could be restructured if we made the deal.

 

Possible restructure:

2021 - $1.2m base $4.7m SB = $5.9m cap hit

2022 - $11.5m base $4.7m SB = $16.2m cap hit

2023 - $11.5m base, $4.7m SB = $16.2m cap hit($4.7m dead cap)

 

It could be done, but you're probably right. Wrong place and time.

 

What do you medan by "we send some money back out ?" 

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50 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

What do you medan by "we send some money back out ?" 

I believe he means we trade a player who has some kind of salary that would lower the financial impact.   For example, if we traded back Doyle.   That would help financially.   
 

Obviously, that’s not happening, but wanted a clear example. 

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9 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I believe he means we trade a player who has some kind of salary that would lower the financial impact.   For example, if we traded back Doyle.   That would help financially.   
 

Obviously, that’s not happening, but wanted a clear example. 

 

Thanks for the explanation as I'm sure you are correct . So Atlanta will take around a 20 million cap hit and (probably ) the least useful of our higher priced players ? 

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1 minute ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

I wouldn't lose any sleep over this. It's not happening.

Why would I lose sleep. I think it is hillarious people seem to think Ballard might do it. That’s why I asked where is it coming from because Ballard would never do this. We don’t have cap space or draft capital.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Ill tell you where it's coming from...........from a need to have something...........anything to talk about in the NFL offseason.

This probably true lol. Just think we have nothing in June or July after OTA. Going to be a long summer.

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It's not like the talking heads don't connect every team with available cap to every big name guy on the trading block or in FA.

 

Someone will likely get a bargain though with Julio. Falcons are still negative 6.7M, so they will have to trade or cut someone.

 

Colts only have like 13ish left depending on how Fisher's contract is set up, so I don't see them making many moves. Extensions will eat that up quickly.

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I can't believe this guy would even reply with this proposal. Ballard loves Parris, so he's not ready to give up on him for a 32 year old WR, who has a $15 million cap hit, and who only played 9 games last season. There is a reason the Falcons want to get rid of him. I look around the league and I'm not sure who would be a match. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Wentzszn said:

Why would I lose sleep. I think it is hillarious people seem to think Ballard might do it. That’s why I asked where is it coming from because Ballard would never do this. We don’t have cap space or draft capital.

 

 

 

  Gee, yet we did have the cap space when the original piece came out.

 And the Only reason we and a few others were included as possible destination spots.

It is a shame Irsay caved on getting rid of TY. 

 Julio would have been a game changer for our O  if the deal was reasonable.

 Not that cb was likely.

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14 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Someone will likely get a bargain though with Julio. Falcons are still negative 6.7M, so they will have to trade or cut someone.

I wouldn't say a team that trades for Julio would be getting a bargain with that huge contract of his, $23M cap hit this season and $19M the 2 years after that. If you get prime Julio for those years, it could be worth it, but the jury is still out if last season was a fluke injury-plagued season or a sign of things to come. Hopefully a fluke, but that contract is hard to get over.

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12 hours ago, DownHillRunner said:

I can't believe this guy would even reply with this proposal. Ballard loves Parris, so he's not ready to give up on him for a 32 year old WR, who has a $15 million cap hit, and who only played 9 games last season. There is a reason the Falcons want to get rid of him. I look around the league and I'm not sure who would be a match. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wow that would be a terrible trade for Atlanta

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This would never happen. I couldn't even come up with a trade Ballard would even conjure up. Best I can come up with is a 2022 third round pick, 2023 second round pick, and Wilkins and Benogu just to make the numbers work. 

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So many seem to be shrugging this off trade as something Ballard would never do but I am not so sure.  One thing I have learned is Ballard is a very patient man and has surprised us on more than one occasion.  Who saw the Buckner trade or the signing of a 31 year old LT for 9.4m coming off a major injury to be our eventual LT this year.  This signing happened quite along time ago now and still no details.  Seems odd there are no details yet.  Why is that?   Both moves being another attempt to win now.  Atlanta is a desperate team and needs cap space.  They really don't have a huge amount of leverage.  So if a trade does happen I don't see expensive draft picks being given up.  If the teams that are mentioned to be interested wait it out they might just release him which would really give us a legitimate opportunity.  We have players I think they would be interested in; Eason, Pascal, Banogu, Wilkens to name a few plus others.  If we needed cap space we could always restructure a few contracts.  Buckner is going to be with us long term so his would be pretty easy.  We just signed a kicker to compete with Rigo.  If we cut Rigo we save 2m against the cap.  Cutting Banogu saves another 1.6m. We don't have to extend Leonard and Smith this year.  We could extend Leonard and wait on Smith.  See how the season plays out.  I am not saying we are going to make the trade but I don't think we can just dismiss it entirely.  We are in a win now mode.  Getting a bonafide WR1 for Wentz would seem like a Ballard like move if he could find a way to make the numbers work.  JMO

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5 hours ago, richard pallo said:

So many seem to be shrugging this off trade as something Ballard would never do but I am not so sure.  One thing I have learned is Ballard is a very patient man and has surprised us on more than one occasion.  Who saw the Buckner trade or the signing of a 31 year old LT for 9.4m coming off a major injury to be our eventual LT this year.  This signing happened quite along time ago now and still no details.  Seems odd there are no details yet.  Why is that?   Both moves being another attempt to win now.  Atlanta is a desperate team and needs cap space.  They really don't have a huge amount of leverage.  So if a trade does happen I don't see expensive draft picks being given up.  If the teams that are mentioned to be interested wait it out they might just release him which would really give us a legitimate opportunity.  We have players I think they would be interested in; Eason, Pascal, Banogu, Wilkens to name a few plus others.  If we needed cap space we could always restructure a few contracts.  Buckner is going to be with us long term so his would be pretty easy.  We just signed a kicker to compete with Rigo.  If we cut Rigo we save 2m against the cap.  Cutting Banogu saves another 1.6m. We don't have to extend Leonard and Smith this year.  We could extend Leonard and wait on Smith.  See how the season plays out.  I am not saying we are going to make the trade but I don't think we can just dismiss it entirely.  We are in a win now mode.  Getting a bonafide WR1 for Wentz would seem like a Ballard like move if he could find a way to make the numbers work.  JMO

I don't discount he could make the move, but I don't believe those players you mentioned would generate any real interest from the Falcons. Coupled with the fact that the Colts 1st and 2nd round picks are tied to Wentz' playing time, you would have to start dipping into 2023 picks. I think the Falcons could find a better deal if they were motivated to move Julio...and I'm still not sold they are motivated to move him.

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On 5/21/2021 at 10:05 AM, Shive said:

I wouldn't say a team that trades for Julio would be getting a bargain with that huge contract of his, $23M cap hit this season and $19M the 2 years after that. If you get prime Julio for those years, it could be worth it, but the jury is still out if last season was a fluke injury-plagued season or a sign of things to come. Hopefully a fluke, but that contract is hard to get over.

I could be wrong but thought I saw something that said the receiving team (in a trade would only be on the hook for 16ishM this year and even less next year. I agree though it's a risk at his age. He still has great size and speed though for that age. I'm sure his speed has suffered a bit like TYs, but unlike TY, he still has great size to fall back on. Like you said though, the health is the biggest concern.

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13 hours ago, ColtV said:

I don't discount he could make the move, but I don't believe those players you mentioned would generate any real interest from the Falcons. Coupled with the fact that the Colts 1st and 2nd round picks are tied to Wentz' playing time, you would have to start dipping into 2023 picks. I think the Falcons could find a better deal if they were motivated to move Julio...and I'm still not sold they are motivated to move him.

I don't see any team giving up a high draft pick for Jones knowing the Falcons are desperate for cap space.  The suitors for Jones have the leverage.  There are reports that teams are looking to the Falcons to pay some of his salary as part of any trade.  By all reports the Falcons are clearly motivated to trade him.  Any players given up in a trade would not be star players but players with upside in positions of need for them.  They can not take on additional material cap space.  They need to find some.  That's the reason to move him.  The team taking on his contract is only responsible for 15.3m this year.  That is not a deal breaker IMO for the Colts.  Ballard took a risk on TY and Fisher I could see him doing it again with Julio.  Both aging WR's with injury history but who get you over the top if they stay relatively healthy.  What an offense we would have with Julio on board with TY, Pittman, Campbell etc at the wideouts.  Again not saying it's going to happen but there is a good chance we could be players for Julio. 

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42 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I don't see any team giving up a high draft pick for Jones knowing the Falcons are desperate for cap space.  The suitors for Jones have the leverage.  There are reports that teams are looking to the Falcons to pay some of his salary as part of any trade.  By all reports the Falcons are clearly motivated to trade him.  Any players given up in a trade would not be star players but players with upside in positions of need for them.  They can not take on additional material cap space.  They need to find some.  That's the reason to move him.  The team taking on his contract is only responsible for 15.3m this year.  That is not a deal breaker IMO for the Colts.  Ballard took a risk on TY and Fisher I could see him doing it again with Julio.  Both aging WR's with injury history but who get you over the top if they stay relatively healthy.  What an offense we would have with Julio on board with TY, Pittman, Campbell etc at the wideouts.  Again not saying it's going to happen but there is a good chance we could be players for Julio. 

I’ve read that Julio has three years left on his contract, and ALL of it is guaranteed.  So I don’t understand how a new team would only be responsible for one year — whatever the number is?   
 

EDIT:   My post is false.   3 years are NOT guaranteed.   But, as best as I can tell, two years are.   The “out” on the contract would come AFTER the 2022 season.  
 

ALSO...   I’ve read that while Atlanta would likely want a first, NFL execs think the likely price for Julio would be a 2 and a 4.    Anyone here think Chris Ballard is giving up that price for JJ?   Anyone?   I sure don’t see that happening.... 

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On 5/21/2021 at 10:05 AM, Shive said:

I wouldn't say a team that trades for Julio would be getting a bargain with that huge contract of his, $23M cap hit this season and $19M the 2 years after that. If you get prime Julio for those years, it could be worth it, but the jury is still out if last season was a fluke injury-plagued season or a sign of things to come. Hopefully a fluke, but that contract is hard to get over.

Thats not what it is for the team he is traded to.

 

New teams cap hits:(If traded)

2021 - $15.3m

2022 - $11.5m

2023 - $11.5m

 

 

All bargains for Julio, Falcons are on the hook for all that other money.

 

And could restructure his deal once here as well and save another $9m on 2021 cap if they needed or wanted to.

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4 hours ago, w87r said:

Thats not what it is for the team he is traded to.

 

New teams cap hits:(If traded)

2021 - $15.3m

2022 - $11.5m

2023 - $11.5m

 

 

All bargains for Julio, Falcons are on the hook for all that other money.

 

And could restructure his deal once here as well and save another $9m on 2021 cap if they needed or wanted to.

And that's why these numbers and the potential for the Colts to restructure his current deal if they wanted to keeps us in the mix to trade for him if Ballard wants to be.  I would bet we are having internal discussions about it.  I am sure any team viewing themselves as contenders would be as well.  The fact that it would not take high picks to acquire him is also a plus for any team that is interested.  Atlanta is in no position to hold out for much longer.  We will see what happens soon enough.  But it sure is fun to think of the possibilities with him in our lineup though. 

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If Julio Jones does get traded out of Atlanta, the betting odds suggest that there are two clear favorites for his destination.

© Provided by The Spun A closeup of Atlanta Falcons WR Julio Jones with his helmet off.

The former Alabama Crimson Tide wide receiver has spent his entire career – so far, anyway – with the Falcons. However, that could change ahead of the 2021 regular season.

Jones is rumored to have interest in a trade away from Atlanta. The Falcons have reportedly been discussing potential trades.

During an episode of NBC Sports’ Boston Sports Tonight, Michael Holley reported that Jones would like to play with one particular quarterback.

“You know who he [Jones] really wants to play with? You won’t believe this. I heard this today and I was like ‘Are you kidding me?’ He wants to play with Cam Newton. He likes Cam,” Holley said. “That’s the other thing: He thinks Matt Ryan has lost a little zing on his deep ball.”

The Patriots are not listed among the favorites to land Jones, though. The two favorites, outside of the Falcons, are the Colts and the Chargers. Both Indianapolis and Los Angeles have the same odds to land Jones. Here are the full odds, from DraftKings Sportsbook.

Atlanta Falcons -150

Indianapolis Colts +500

Los Angeles Chargers +500

Baltimore Ravens +700

New England Patriots +700

San Francisco 49ers +800

Tennessee Titans +800

Green Bay Packers +1000

New Orleans Saints +2500

The Patriots are not too far behind at +700, though.

2 Teams Named The Favorites For Julio Jones

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we have young talented cheap wrs who will be amazing this year .  with ty hilton , pascal , parris , pittman .  plus players who have so much talent and will be good such as patmon , harris , strachan , and vaugn .  we are set at wr lets develop our own young guys instead of being like grigson picking up old past their prime veterans and giving them big money .

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Just now, SC-Coltsfan said:

I was listing to NFL on Sirius XM earlier today and they San Fran is the favorite. Colts and Bolts are a close second

ballard does not get free agents that cost that much .  it will never happen we need to resign our home grown talent .

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This is ridiculous. This is no way a Ballard move. We can’t afford it and we don’t have the draft capital after the Wentz trade next year. Vegas doesn’t know Ballard. Ballard probably laughs when he hears things like this.

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