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I know a lot of us that follow the draft were following the tea leaves on big, athletic, fast wide receivers and a lot of focus was on Terrance Marshall in the 1st or 2nd and Nico Collins in the 3rd or 4th.

 

Instead they went with the athletic freak in Strachan at 6'5" & 226 lbs with 4.42 speed - aka similar to DK Metcalf (whom we all wanted a couple years ago). Plus picked up two really solid options as UDFA's in Vaughn and Black.

 

Let's face it, this is likely the last year for Hilton (retire) and Pascal (long term deal elsewhere). Which brings me to these questions/scenarios.

 

What if, and I mean what if this Michael guy has a similar impact as Pierre Garcon versus Ashton Dulin (great special teamer, marginal receiver) - using the Division II background.

 

Then you're looking at Pittman at 6'4" (8.24 RAS), Patmon at 6'4" (8.44 RAS), Strachan at 6'5" (9.22 RAS) and presumably the 6'0" Campbell (9.76 RAS) in the slot all testing as elite athletes. This group would make Wentz (and vice versa) look really good. 4000+ yards and 30+ TD's annually good.

 

In theory Wentz isn't a pinpoint passer and big bodied receivers with wide wingspans who box out and high point balls are most successful with him. 

 

I look at Campbell to be Hilton's replacement in 2022.

 

I look at the 6'2" Vaughns (from USC) as a potential replacement for Pascal in 2022, serving as the third down move the chains route runner type. Basically replacing ODU's all-time leader with USC's 2nd leading all-time receiver (behind Robert Woods)

 

Tarik Black at 6'3" & 213 lbs is another big bodied athletic type that suffered thru two broken feet and poor QB play at Michigan before his transfer to TX. I see him as the 6th WR and possibly as a Jordan Matthews/Nelson Agohlar bully slot WR in 2022 as Ashton Dulins replacement in 2022.

 

I know I'm being overly optimistic, but, as my cohort @krunk stated, Vaughn's and Black are both very talented and could be used in 2021 moreso than the potential red-shirt year for Strachan. 

 

This isn't even counting having these guys in the mix:

DeMichael Harris

Quartney Davis

Gary Jennings

J.J. Nelson

 

Wide receiver will be THE BATTLE to watch this off-season/pre-season!!!!

 

 

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Anybody else see Michael STRAHAN and get confused For a split-second EVERY TIME they see this name?

I know a lot of us that follow the draft were following the tea leaves on big, athletic, fast wide receivers and a lot of focus was on Terrance Marshall in the 1st or 2nd and Nico Collins in the 3rd o

Me too,  I’m with you!   And for the record, I’ve read Strachan’s name is pronounced Strawn.    But while we’re talking about your mind doing a double take every time you read somethi

3 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Anybody else see Michael STRAHAN and get confused For a split-second EVERY TIME they see this name?

Yes. Glad it’s not just me. 

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A lot of these guys have great measurables, in fact first round measurables. Obviously they have major flaws to fall into the very low rounds or the UDFA route. Remember, Deion Cain was the best there ever was, until he wasn't. That said, we sure have some nice clay to mold with..

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12 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

I know a lot of us that follow the draft were following the tea leaves on big, athletic, fast wide receivers and a lot of focus was on Terrance Marshall in the 1st or 2nd and Nico Collins in the 3rd or 4th.

 

Instead they went with the athletic freak in Strachan at 6'5" & 226 lbs with 4.42 speed - aka similar to DK Metcalf (whom we all wanted a couple years ago). Plus picked up two really solid options as UDFA's in Vaughn and Black.

 

Let's face it, this is likely the last year for Hilton (retire) and Pascal (long term deal elsewhere). Which brings me to these questions/scenarios.

 

What if, and I mean what if this Michael guy has a similar impact as Pierre Garcon versus Ashton Dulin (great special teamer, marginal receiver) - using the Division II background.

 

Then you're looking at Pittman at 6'4" (8.24 RAS), Patmon at 6'4" (8.44 RAS), Strachan at 6'5" (9.22 RAS) and presumably the 6'0" Campbell (9.76 RAS) in the slot all testing as elite athletes. This group would make Wentz (and vice versa) look really good. 4000+ yards and 30+ TD's annually good.

 

In theory Wentz isn't a pinpoint passer and big bodied receivers with wide wingspans who box out and high point balls are most successful with him. 

 

I look at Campbell to be Hilton's replacement in 2022.

 

I look at the 6'2" Vaughns (from USC) as a potential replacement for Pascal in 2022, serving as the third down move the chains route runner type. Basically replacing ODU's all-time leader with USC's 2nd leading all-time receiver (behind Robert Woods)

 

Tarik Black at 6'3" & 213 lbs is another big bodied athletic type that suffered thru two broken feet and poor QB play at Michigan before his transfer to TX. I see him as the 6th WR and possibly as a Jordan Matthews/Nelson Agohlar bully slot WR in 2022 as Ashton Dulins replacement in 2022.

 

I know I'm being overly optimistic, but, as my cohort @krunk stated, Vaughn's and Black are both very talented and could be used in 2021 moreso than the potential red-shirt year for Strachan. 

 

This isn't even counting having these guys in the mix:

DeMichael Harris

Quartney Davis

Gary Jennings

J.J. Nelson

 

Wide receiver will be THE BATTLE to watch this off-season/pre-season!!!!

 

 

Why not be optimistic?  Its not as big a stretch as one would think.  Certainly Ballard and co didnt bring them in expecting failure.  
  Make your best choices, push them to be great, expect results, and have a back-up plan incase it doesnt go as planned.   
 I see Ballard doing this at all positions..... its the competition aspect to it.  The creme should rise.

  

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I think at least one of those big guys may turn into a nice weapon for Wentz. It looks to me that Strachan got the same number as A. Jeffrey. Would be cool if we could get something out of both Strachan and Patmon to be honest.

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22 minutes ago, ColtJax said:

A lot of these guys have great measurables, in fact first round measurables. Obviously they have major flaws to fall into the very low rounds or the UDFA route. Remember, Deion Cain was the best there ever was, until he wasn't. That said, we sure have some nice clay to mold with..

True statement. Although I thought Cain was a one trick pony and was more enamored with Fountain - too bad about his injuries.

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21 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

I know a lot of us that follow the draft were following the tea leaves on big, athletic, fast wide receivers and a lot of focus was on Terrance Marshall in the 1st or 2nd and Nico Collins in the 3rd or 4th.

 

Instead they went with the athletic freak in Strachan at 6'5" & 226 lbs with 4.42 speed - aka similar to DK Metcalf (whom we all wanted a couple years ago). Plus picked up two really solid options as UDFA's in Vaughn and Black.

 

Let's face it, this is likely the last year for Hilton (retire) and Pascal (long term deal elsewhere). Which brings me to these questions/scenarios.

 

What if, and I mean what if this Michael guy has a similar impact as Pierre Garcon versus Ashton Dulin (great special teamer, marginal receiver) - using the Division II background.

 

Then you're looking at Pittman at 6'4" (8.24 RAS), Patmon at 6'4" (8.44 RAS), Strachan at 6'5" (9.22 RAS) and presumably the 6'0" Campbell (9.76 RAS) in the slot all testing as elite athletes. This group would make Wentz (and vice versa) look really good. 4000+ yards and 30+ TD's annually good.

 

In theory Wentz isn't a pinpoint passer and big bodied receivers with wide wingspans who box out and high point balls are most successful with him. 

 

I look at Campbell to be Hilton's replacement in 2022.

 

I look at the 6'2" Vaughns (from USC) as a potential replacement for Pascal in 2022, serving as the third down move the chains route runner type. Basically replacing ODU's all-time leader with USC's 2nd leading all-time receiver (behind Robert Woods)

 

Tarik Black at 6'3" & 213 lbs is another big bodied athletic type that suffered thru two broken feet and poor QB play at Michigan before his transfer to TX. I see him as the 6th WR and possibly as a Jordan Matthews/Nelson Agohlar bully slot WR in 2022 as Ashton Dulins replacement in 2022.

 

I know I'm being overly optimistic, but, as my cohort @krunk stated, Vaughn's and Black are both very talented and could be used in 2021 moreso than the potential red-shirt year for Strachan. 

 

This isn't even counting having these guys in the mix:

DeMichael Harris

Quartney Davis

Gary Jennings

J.J. Nelson

 

Wide receiver will be THE BATTLE to watch this off-season/pre-season!!!!

 

 

 

I just posted the same in the WR thread, but really doubt we would keep basically 4 X type WRs, and only 2 z/traditional slot top guys. I think it's Patmon OR Stracham, assuming Pittman and Pascal are no brainers.

 

Vaughns and Black really have limitations. Vaughns got passed by Pittman and St Brown. Steady guy, but lacked ceiling and was always the #3 guy. Just not explosive. Black was expected to play better after transferring to TX, but did next to nothing. He kinda looks awkward too. 

 

5 minutes ago, ColtJax said:

A lot of these guys have great measurables, in fact first round measurables. Obviously they have major flaws to fall into the very low rounds or the UDFA route. Remember, Deion Cain was the best there ever was, until he wasn't. That said, we sure have some nice clay to mold with..

Not saying Cain is or was great, but we certainly did him no favors. By all reports had great chemistry with Luck and looked great on the long ball (he was known as a long ball specialist) before injury. Then JB enters the picture when Cain returns from injury, and Reich moves him to X and tries to make a possession WR out of him (which he's never been that guy). 

 

I understand he was probably moved to X when we had injury (Funchess) and Pascal had to start at X and we needed depth, but still. Had we had Luck, or a QB that could throw a decent long ball, I think things might have been different for Cain. Not saying he would have been a stud, but he would have looked better (not that he got a ton of targets anyway).

 

Agreed, most have holes/flaws. For the small speedy guys, hope they've worked on their route tree. Would love to see Harris get a shot at slot depth.

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6 minutes ago, krunk said:

I think at least one of those big guys may turn into a nice weapon for Wentz. It looks to me that Strahan got the same number as A. Jeffrey.

I saw that too......and he LOVED throwing it up to number 17! 

 

I like this kids attitude and how he talks to the media as if he's a pro already. Maybe the tutelage of Michael Irvin will pay dividends this year?

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Get all those big bodies out there along with the top 5 to 10 running game and the play action passing and we should light it up.

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39 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Anybody else see Michael STRAHAN and get confused For a split-second EVERY TIME they see this name?

Me too,  I’m with you!

 

And for the record, I’ve read Strachan’s name is pronounced Strawn. 
 

But while we’re talking about your mind doing a double take every time you read something......    every time I read WFT that’s definitely NOT what my brain reads!   (If you know what I mean?!).       :peek:

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3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

I just posted the same in the WR thread, but really doubt we would keep basically 4 X type WRs, and only 2 z/traditional slot top guys. I think it's Patmon OR Stracham, assuming Pittman and Pascal are no brainers.

 

Vaughns and Black really have limitations. Vaughns got passed by Pittman and St Brown. Steady guy, but lacked ceiling and was always the #3 guy. Just not explosive. Black was expected to play better after transferring to TX, but did next to nothing. He kinda looks awkward too. 

 

Not saying Cain is or was great, but we certainly did him no favors. By all reports had great chemistry with Luck and looked great on the long ball (he was known as a long ball specialist) before injury. Then JB enters the picture when Cain returns from injury, and Reich moves him to X and tries to make a possession WR out of him (which he's never been that guy). 

 

I understand he was probably moved to X when we had injury (Funchess) and Pascal had to start at X and we needed depth, but still. Had we had Luck, or a QB that could throw a decent long ball, I think things might have been different for Cain. Not saying he would have been a stud, but he would have looked better (not that he got a ton of targets anyway).

 

Agreed, most have holes/flaws. For the small speedy guys, hope they've worked on their route tree. Would love to see Harris get a shot at slot depth.

I did like the idea of Cain stretching the field with Fountain running underneath with Luck at QB.....JB just wasn't mentally strong enough to pull the trigger on deep balls.

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36 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Anybody else see Michael STRAHAN and get confused For a split-second EVERY TIME they see this name?

Yes, my brain keeps reading it as STRAHAN. LOL

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4 minutes ago, krunk said:

Get all those big bodies out there along with the top 5 to 10 running game and the play action passing and we should light it up.

Patmon and Strachan running deep with Pittman and Campbell (and their run after abilities) will be fun to watch in that scenario!

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Honestly I think they are looking for 1 guy from those big bodies to emerge from Patmon, Strahan, and Vaughn to play along with Pittman.

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1 minute ago, Scott Pennock said:

I did like the idea of Cain stretching the field with Fountain running underneath with Luck at QB.....JB just wasn't mentally strong enough to pull the trigger on deep balls.

IMO it had more to do with Reich's play calling than JB fearing anything. Not saying JB was good or accurate deep, but I think he was capable of making Arians or Reid type deep tosses (throw to a spot more so that a WR).

 

We rarely stretched the field in 2019. Or 2020.... Just not sure the 9 route is in Reich's playbook.

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27 minutes ago, ColtJax said:

A lot of these guys have great measurables, in fact first round measurables. Obviously they have major flaws to fall into the very low rounds or the UDFA route. Remember, Deion Cain was the best there ever was, until he wasn't. That said, we sure have some nice clay to mold with..

Yes, I see this post and raise my glass to those that believe in the hidden gems or undervalued underdog that just need a shot to make their case.  We all fall in love with the Deion Cains or Desmond Patmon's of the world and don't quite understand when they never seem to make it to stardom but this Strachan fellow just seems different.  He seems to have the WANT factor and the bigger fight inside the dog that the others may not have had to be successful.  I'm intrigued by his tape and interviews and hope he at least gets his chance to become great.

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4 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

Patmon and Strachan running deep with Pittman and Campbell (and their run after abilities) will be fun to watch in that scenario!

Not happening lol.... Reich totally forgot the Kgun O he came from... 

2 minutes ago, krunk said:

Honestly I think they are looking for 1 guy from those big bodies to emerge from Patmon, Strahan, and Vaughn to play along with Pittman.

Yup. It's Patmon or Strachan competing for backup X. 

 

Vaughns though I could see getting a look at for slot if they are trying to move Campbell outside. I think we have better slot options than Vaughns though.

 

Last year they had Dulin at X too, which IMO he should have been working a traditional slot or Z. Harris has insane speed and twitch, and hoping he gets a look at Z/slot. He's the perfect jet sweep guy too. 

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4 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

Patmon and Strachan running deep with Pittman and Campbell (and their run after abilities) will be fun to watch in that scenario!

I think Pittman is more of the sure handed possession style guy than he is the deep stretch the field guy. You can go deep with him at times. Im interested to see what Patmon adds. Strahan I could see being a deep threat although sometimes I felt he didn't seem that fast on film. I just hope he's not actually actually more close to being Chris Carter's son.

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6 minutes ago, krunk said:

I think Pittman is more of the sure handed possession style guy than he is the deep stretch the field guy. You can go deep with him at times. Im interested to see what Patmon adds. Strahan I could see being a deep threat although sometimes I felt he didn't seem that fast on film. I just hope he's not actually actually more close to being Chris Carter's son.

Strachan's highlights were good, but notice it's vs a bunch of undersized DBs. And given he's a small school guy, he'll be making a big step up. NFL DBs are a lot bigger, and a lot faster. 

 

IMO, I like Strachan more than Patmon. His ball tracking skills are better, and he plays bigger and stronger than Patmon. Still, Patmon played against much better competition, so IDK... 

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17 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Strachan's highlights were good, but notice it's vs a bunch of undersized DBs. And given he's a small school guy, he'll be making a big step up. NFL DBs are a lot bigger, and a lot faster. 

 

IMO, I like Strachan more than Patmon. His ball tracking skills are better, and he plays bigger and stronger than Patmon. Still, Patmon played against much better competition, so IDK... 

Everybody is different but in my head I'm thinking Patmon should come out on top just bc of the year experience. It took him a year to even be ready and he played better comp so I imagine it may take that or more for Strahan who played against poor competition.But again I certainly could be wrong.

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20 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Strachan's highlights were good, but notice it's vs a bunch of undersized DBs. And given he's a small school guy, he'll be making a big step up. NFL DBs are a lot bigger, and a lot faster. 

 

IMO, I like Strachan more than Patmon. His ball tracking skills are better, and he plays bigger and stronger than Patmon. Still, Patmon played against much better competition, so IDK... 

I like Patmon.

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53 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Me too,  I’m with you!

 

And for the record, I’ve read Strachan’s name is pronounced Strawn. 
 

But while we’re talking about your mind doing a double take every time you read something......    every time I read WFT that’s definitely NOT what my brain reads!   (If you know what I mean?!).       :peek:

Gee thanks...... now i’m reversing the F and T in my mind.

Funny how that works.  

The power of suggestion.

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12 minutes ago, krunk said:

Everybody is different but in my head I'm thinking Patron should come out on top just bc of the year experience. It took him a year to even be ready and he played better comp so I imagine it may take that or more for Strahan who played against poor competition.But again I certainly could be wrong.

Yup. Will be interesting. I just compared their NFL.com draft profiles and watched a bit of film on both.

 

Since I won't believe we'll have many deep attempts until I see it, I'd have to go with the guy who I think we'll be the best possession guy. And that's Strachan. Patmon just doesn't play to his size, or at least he didn't in college. Hoping he's improved in that area. Deep wise, Strachan tracks the ball better and plays bigger, but Patmon is a bit faster. I just don't know lol. 

6 minutes ago, AustinnKaine said:

I like Patmon.

Have you watched film on both?

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9 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Yup. Will be interesting. I just compared their NFL.com draft profiles and watched a bit of film on both.

 

Since I won't believe we'll have many deep attempts until I see it, I'd have to go with the guy who I think we'll be the best possession guy. And that's Strachan. Patmon just doesn't play to his size, or at least he didn't in college. Hoping he's improved in that area. Deep wise, Strachan tracks the ball better and plays bigger, but Patmon is a bit faster. I just don't know lol. 

Have you watched film on both?

I dont have the stats but it sure seemed like when Frank and Carson were together in Philly they dialed up the deep passing game a decent amt of the time. I know you probably have the numbers. I do realize Pederson was the play caller though.

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Most of our deep passes will be on broken plays and followed by the occasional play action deep ball. 

 

We do have a lot of options at WR and the coaching staff is going to have a tough time deciding on their 6 on the 53 and 2-3 on the practice squad.

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11 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

Most of our deep passes will be on broken plays and followed by the occasional play action deep ball. 

 

We do have a lot of options at WR and the coaching staff is going to have a tough time deciding on their 6 on the 53 and 2-3 on the practice squad.

I think Wentz legs will open things up more to go deep. Just like with Luck.

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3 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

I just posted the same in the WR thread, but really doubt we would keep basically 4 X type WRs, and only 2 z/traditional slot top guys. I think it's Patmon OR Stracham, assuming Pittman and Pascal are no brainers.

 

Vaughns and Black really have limitations. Vaughns got passed by Pittman and St Brown. Steady guy, but lacked ceiling and was always the #3 guy. Just not explosive. Black was expected to play better after transferring to TX, but did next to nothing. He kinda looks awkward too. 

 

Not saying Cain is or was great, but we certainly did him no favors. By all reports had great chemistry with Luck and looked great on the long ball (he was known as a long ball specialist) before injury. Then JB enters the picture when Cain returns from injury, and Reich moves him to X and tries to make a possession WR out of him (which he's never been that guy). 

 

I understand he was probably moved to X when we had injury (Funchess) and Pascal had to start at X and we needed depth, but still. Had we had Luck, or a QB that could throw a decent long ball, I think things might have been different for Cain. Not saying he would have been a stud, but he would have looked better (not that he got a ton of targets anyway).

 

Agreed, most have holes/flaws. For the small speedy guys, hope they've worked on their route tree. Would love to see Harris get a shot at slot depth.

I'm interested to see Harris develop in this 2nd year.  I just recall lightning speed from that guy flashing on the screen. 

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2 hours ago, BornHoosier said:

Yes, I see this post and raise my glass to those that believe in the hidden gems or undervalued underdog that just need a shot to make their case.  We all fall in love with the Deion Cains or Desmond Patmon's of the world and don't quite understand when they never seem to make it to stardom but this Strachan fellow just seems different.  He seems to have the WANT factor and the bigger fight inside the dog that the others may not have had to be successful.  I'm intrigued by his tape and interviews and hope he at least gets his chance to become great.

He seems to have the Alpha confidence which you want in a player.   Let's hope it keeps up when going against NFL DBs.

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13 minutes ago, krunk said:

I dont have the stats but it sure seemed like when Frank and Carson were together in Philly they dialed up the deep passing game a decent amt of the time. I know you probably have the numbers. I do realize Pederson was the play caller though.

I just don't put any weight in what happened in Philly in terms of scheme of play calling. In Reich's years in Indy, with 3 different QBs, I've seen variance, but not a lot of similarities to the Eagles O under Pederson.

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7 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

I'm interested to see Harris develop in this 2nd year.  I just recall lightning speed from that guy flashing on the screen. 

He's lightning in a bottle. Just not sure his size will translate beyond gimmick stuff. I'd love it if he did. All about the route running for him I think.

 

Most people so far in the recent threads feel we'll have like 4 bigs running around, and bigs going deep lol. Could be wrong but don't see that happening. I'd be happy with 1 big at X, and 2 fast guys at slot and Z. I'd love to see more deep. Not that I want an air raid scheme, I just want more creativity, and more vertical attempts to keep Ds honest.

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11 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

He seems to have the Alpha confidence which you want in a player.   Let's hope it keeps up when going against NFL DBs.

Yes, what intrigues me is how he maintains that alpha confidence while NFL caliber cb"s give him trouble!  We can all talk the talk but were judged when we walk the walk.  That's the biggest question with Strachan is does his talk = the walk?

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3 minutes ago, BornHoosier said:

Yes, what intrigues me is how he maintains that alpha confidence while NFL caliber cb"s give him trouble!  We can all talk the talk but were judged when we walk the walk.  That's the biggest question with Strachan is does his talk = the walk?

Watching film, even though Strachan is going up against inferior comp, he plays bigger than Patmon. Just more willing to "impose".

 

But you never know.

 

As far as talk the talk, walk the walk....

 

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2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Watching film, even though Strachan is going up against inferior comp, he plays bigger than Patmon. Just more willing to "impose".

 

But you never know.

 

As far as talk the talk, walk the walk....

 

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Yes and his character is even bigger that has me excited!!!  The interview with Patrick Peterson has me intrigued

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13 minutes ago, BornHoosier said:

Yes and his character is even bigger that has me excited!!!  The interview with Patrick Peterson has me intrigued

If you haven't watched his film, take a look. A few easy googles on youtube. Good ball tracking and highpointing. Looks much more "it's my ball dang it" than Patmon. Patmon glides well, but doesn't look imposing.

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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

I just don't put any weight in what happened in Philly in terms of scheme of play calling. In Reich's years in Indy, with 3 different QBs, I've seen variance, but not a lot of similarities to the Eagles O under Pederson.

I don't think in any of these years have we had A QB like Wentz other than when we had Luck. With Rivers due to his age we were more focused on managing the game and limiting his attempts unless we were down too much and had to throw our way back in the game. Once again you're bigger and more knowledgeable on the stats than me so I could be off base but it seemed like Reich attacked down field more with  Luck as well as utilizing most of the RPO stuff from Philly. I'm more optimistic he will get back to some of that with Wentz who he's done that before with and who has similar tools to Andrew. Plus I think we have more guys to attack defenses deep than previous years. It may start off conservative while they are establishing chemistry but as the year progresses I expect more focus on attacking deep

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28 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

If you haven't watched his film, take a look. A few easy googles on youtube. Good ball tracking and highpointing. Looks much more "it's my ball dang it" than Patmon. Patmon glides well, but doesn't look imposing.

I've watched plenty of film to know that this guy has what the Patmon's dont have and that is HEART!  I'm hoping this heart carries over to the next level but let's see first.

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17 minutes ago, krunk said:

I don't think in any of these years have we had A QB like Wentz other than when we had Luck. With Rivers due to his age we were more focused on managing the game and limiting his attempts unless we were down too much and had to throw our way back in the game. Once again you're bigger and more knowledgeable on the stats than me so I could be off base but it seemed like Reich attacked down field more with  Luck as well as utilizing most of the RPO stuff from Philly. I'm more optimistic he will get back to some of that with Wentz who he's done that before with and who has similar tools to Andrew. Plus I think we have more guys to attack defenses deep than previous years. It may start off conservative while they are establishing chemistry but as the year progresses I expect more focus on attacking deep

We had Luck, and I didn't see much difference. Folks use the "well Luck was rusty" or "well Luck was coming back from injury" excuse..... I'm sorry, but you can't ignore some of the early Luck games where he played out of his mind. He had to play hero ball because we were down, and was good when unleashed. And it was early... So I just don't buy it. Reich was just conservative.

 

Rivers was top 10 in deep ball accuracy. But bottom 10 in deep ball attempts. You don't want to be in those same two extremes. Logic says test your luck more. Again, conservative.

 

JB wasn't good reading or getting the ball out quick, in a quick pass O. He did have a big arm. Could have let him throw to a spot more like a Reid or Arians O. Again, just conservative.

 

All I'm saying is I'll believe it when I see it. With the Chargers, he was short pass happy and ignored the run, but was playing in another HC's O system. In Philly, Pederson called the plays. In Indy, we've seen all 3 QBs throttled. Now we have a QB that is coming off a horrible year, who many say needs mechanical rebuilding. I just foresee more of the same conservative approach.

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18 minutes ago, BornHoosier said:

I've watched plenty of film to know that this guy has what the Patmon's dont have and that is HEART!  I'm hoping this heart carries over to the next level but let's see first.

Hoping Patmon has upped his game, and Pittman, Patmon, and Strachan all push each other. There's only room for 2 of the 3 IMO, if Pascal is a given, and maybe not even that depending on how the other side (Z/slot) is doing.

 

Personally, I loved Patmon last year when we grabbed him. But his own coach said he needed to play bigger. I'm hoping he worked on that all off season. It's rare to be 6-4 and sub 4.5s. He has the natural gifts for sure. Need to find the dog in himself. Strachan seems to have the dog. Not sure if he has all the other stuff. I love the thought of both guys, and Pittman pushing each other.

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9 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

We had Luck, and I didn't see much difference. Folks use the "well Luck was rusty" or "well Luck was coming back from injury" excuse..... I'm sorry, but you can't ignore some of the early Luck games where he played out of his mind. He had to play hero ball because we were down, and was good when unleashed. And it was early... So I just don't buy it. Reich was just conservative.

 

Rivers was top 10 in deep ball accuracy. But bottom 10 in deep ball attempts. You don't want to be in those same two extremes. Logic says test your luck more. Again, conservative.

 

JB wasn't good reading or getting the ball out quick, in a quick pass O. He did have a big arm. Could have let him throw to a spot more like a Reid or Arians O. Again, just conservative.

 

All I'm saying is I'll believe it when I see it. With the Chargers, he was short pass happy and ignored the run, but was playing in another HC's O system. In Philly, Pederson called the plays. In Indy, we've seen all 3 QBs throttled. Now we have a QB that is coming off a horrible year, who many say needs mechanical rebuilding. I just foresee more of the same conservative approach.

NCF... always looking for a thoughtful, factual, or statistical reply... lol. Never happens.

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