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1 hour ago, OhioColt said:

Kerrigan was upset that he took a backup role with WFT and wanted to be an every down player.  Kerrigan would be a great addition to our Colts and seemed to be very comparable in terms with Houston if not better imo.  Yes Kerrigan is from Indiana and I have been hoping we signed Kerrigan in FA for a while now.  We clearly need proven depth at DE and Kerrigan will provide that.  Right now we have Paye and Muhammad as the clear starters and outside of a healthy Turay I can't trust Bangou and we all know Dayo will be a scratch most of the season.

Kerrigan could come to the Colts right now and probably start over Turay and Banagou.  Will we see that early 2019 Kemoko ever again?  I hope so but can’t count on it.  

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20 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

I’d rather have Houston but if Ballard isn’t going to bring him back then Kerrigan will be fine. He brings that veteran experience to a young group. He still can string a few sacks together. Can’t have enough pass rushers. 

 

17 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I would rather have Houston as well. He would be perfect for 1 more year until Dayo is 100%.

 

Here's what PFF says, and how they rank them in terms of FAs available.

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41. EDGE JUSTIN HOUSTON

 

The big question for Houston is what he has left at this point after 10 years in the league. He doesn’t have the same burst and power that made him the fifth-best pass-rushing edge defender in the NFL during the last decade, and he finished 2020 with the lowest pass-rush grade of his career.

 

Houston still flashes his ability, as he can get offensive tackles off-balanced with his length and good technique, but the days of accumulating 50-plus pressures in a season appear to be in the past. Even in the run game, Houston took a step back in 2020. On the other hand, Houston is just one year removed from an 87.1 overall grade while playing just over 40 plays per game, and he may have something to offer in a rotational role.

 

Contract Analysis: Houston could have an underwhelming 2021 free agency. The market for older players at expensive positions like edge rusher could disappear given the salary cap constraints ahead, and guys that fit this bill for 2020 — Everson Griffen and Vic Beasley, for example — didn’t exactly do Houston any favors.

 

Prediction: Two years, $18M ($9M APY). $10M total guaranteed, $7M fully guaranteed at signing.

 

 

96. EDGE RYAN KERRIGAN

A phenomenally productive player over his career, Kerrigan hits free agency at almost 33 years old after coming off the worst season of his career despite a reduced role that should have encouraged better production. Kerrigan generated 16 total pressures on 252 pass-rushing snaps in 2020, but he produced a mere 45.6 run-defense grade. He has been such a productive rusher for so long that some team might want to see if he can put together one last successful pass-rushing season in 2021, but it would be a gamble.

 

Contract Analysis: Some reports indicated Kerrigan was interested in getting moved at the trade deadline to make a playoff push with a contender, something he hasn’t gotten to do over the course of his 10-year career in Washington. With back-to-back first round picks in Montez Sweat and Chase Young now running the show at edge rusher, Kerrigan played the fewest snaps of his career by far in 2020. While he didn’t see a bump in per-snap productivity with a decrease in snaps, he could still have a year or two left in him.

 

Prediction: Kerrigan signs for one year, $5 million fully guaranteed.

 

 

In short, Houston had the worst pass rush graded year of his career, but still was top 10 in pass rush win rate. Kerrigan on the other had a career worst year all around, was really lousy vs the run, while many expected a bump up in production per snap due to the reduced role.

 

If Houston would take a one year deal, I'd rather give him 10M than give Kerrigan 5M.

 

17 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

He said that. Maybe true now but won’t be if Dayo takes longer than expected or we get a few injuries along the line during the season. 

 

Don't forget we lost 2 (Autry and Houston) and added 3 (Paye, Dayo, Rochell). So even if Dayo takes longer, we're still even net/net with the addition of Rochell. 

 

10 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

Kerrigan could come to the Colts right now and probably start over Turay and Banagou.  Will we see that early 2019 Kemoko ever again?  I hope so but can’t count on it.  

I agree he could start over Banogu. As long as Turay is deemed healthy enough to play, he'd be a better passing downs rusher than Kerrigan. Kerrigan wouldn't play on running downs at all for us. He'd be a rotational or depth pass rush specialist at best.

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Here may be the future issue complicating signing additional Free Agents to sem-big contracts is that we still have to sign Leonard, Smith, and Nelson to big contracts and will be in similar off-season situation again with available cap space.  Have to figure the Colts will want to resign MAC, Muhammad, Mack if he stay healthy and Hines.  Glowinski might be a wild card to resign at RG and so far haven't really found a solid RG replacement for next year if we do let him walk. 

 

The Colts would be wise to keep what we have now for defensive lineman and save the cap space with consideration of signing the Vikings RT Brian O'Neill next year.  According to early estimates the Vikings are going to be hurting for cap space next off-season and O'Neill might price himself out of Minnesota.  Now I was very high on O'Neill coming out of Pittsburgh college and regarded him as one of the better left tackles available at the time.  Like Smith he has proved himself at RT.  The Colts could acquire O'Neill with a few options of either letting Glowinski go and moving Smith back to his original college position of RG and letting O'Neill play RT.  The other option is keeping Glowinski at RG and Smith at RT while moving O'Neill to LT but estimates leaves us around $7 million in cap space without signing other big future FA names of Hilton, Rhodes, and Pascal.  Any ways have a feeling next year's FA is going to look a lot like this year with little additions due to limited cap space.

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5 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

In the Ballard years, during the regular season as we have a 53 man roster, CB wants a maximum of 10 defensive lineman.  It’s been 5 and 5 sometimes.  But it has also been 6 ends and 4 tackles.    But I don’t believe we’ve ever had more than 6 DE’s.  Not to my knowledge.  

He just said on Cowherd as well and I quote "You gotta have an 8 man rotation"

I think Dayo has the ability to be inside on 3rd downs as well.

Excited, talent wise this should be the most talented Colts front in a long time. Can't wait to see Stewart this year.

 

Any chance of Banogu as linebacker? :thinking:

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7 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

He also praised the oline class and didn't take one till the seventh round.

Yet added two in FA plus that area is far more solidified compared to the d line without question.  Adding depth was the big thing there. DE spot has depth plus youth which is what he wanted as well. 

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6 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

In the Ballard years, during the regular season as we have a 53 man roster, CB wants a maximum of 10 defensive lineman.  It’s been 5 and 5 sometimes.  But it has also been 6 ends and 4 tackles.    But I don’t believe we’ve ever had more than 6 DE’s.  Not to my knowledge.  

Aren't they expanding rosters because of 17th game? If so we can afford to carry a few extra guys for depth...

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5 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

 

Here's what PFF says, and how they rank them in terms of FAs available.

 

In short, Houston had the worst pass rush graded year of his career, but still was top 10 in pass rush win rate. Kerrigan on the other had a career worst year all around, was really lousy vs the run, while many expected a bump up in production per snap due to the reduced role.

 

If Houston would take a one year deal, I'd rather give him 10M than give Kerrigan 5M.

 

 

Don't forget we lost 2 (Autry and Houston) and added 3 (Paye, Dayo, Rochell). So even if Dayo takes longer, we're still even net/net with the addition of Rochell. 

 

I agree he could start over Banogu. As long as Turay is deemed healthy enough to play, he'd be a better passing downs rusher than Kerrigan. Kerrigan wouldn't play on running downs at all for us. He'd be a rotational or depth pass rush specialist at best.

Nice breakdown EastStreet! Shows why Houston would be the better vet option between the two. I also liked the leadership presence that Houston had in the locker room. He often gave the pregame speeches to fire everyone up. We will miss that…not always easy to replace the intangibles.

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17 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

Nice breakdown EastStreet! Shows why Houston would be the better vet option between the two. I also liked the leadership presence that Houston had in the locker room. He often gave the pregame speeches to fire everyone up. We will miss that…not always easy to replace the intangibles.

Yup. I would have loved to resign Houston, but reduced his snap counts. That's basically what they tried to do with Kerrigan last year, it just didn't help. I think it would absolutely help Houston.

 

I read this (below) article from Mock on Stampede Blue last night. It draws from Hicks and another guys. I thought it was pretty lazy lol.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/5/5/22420698/claims-the-indianapolis-colts-are-worse-than-a-season-ago-premature-overstated

 

It left out intangibles. It brought up that sacks were higher vs poorer teams, but that's the case for every DE or 3T. It also said both Autry and Houston benefited from Buckner's presence. IMO, there's only so much to eat, and adding Buckner means there's less to eat. It also didn't address the fact that we are the 2nd least blitzing team in the league, which doesn't help in the pressure category. And didn't mention that Buckner had arguably his best year ever despite having his lowest snap count ever. Might that have something to do with the DEs? lol.  Also ignores the fact Houston was still top 10 in pass rush win rate, which I believe is vid analytics driven instead of subjective eye grading. 

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I want my guy Houston back. His leadership is a plus out there with all those young boys. Find a way to meet in the middle on his price please!

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4 hours ago, OhioColt said:

The Colts would be wise to keep what we have now for defensive lineman and save the cap space with consideration of signing the Vikings RT Brian O'Neill next year.  According to early estimates the Vikings are going to be hurting for cap space next off-season and O'Neill might price himself out of Minnesota.  Now I was very high on O'Neill coming out of Pittsburgh college and regarded him as one of the better left tackles available at the time.  Like Smith he has proved himself at RT.  The Colts could acquire O'Neill with a few options of either letting Glowinski go and moving Smith back to his original college position of RG and letting O'Neill play RT.  The other option is keeping Glowinski at RG and Smith at RT while moving O'Neill to LT

That doesn't make sense at all. We have Braden Smith, who has been one of the top RT's in the league and needs a new contract. He's not taking a lesser contract to kick inside to RG and it wouldn't make sense to have a RG making RT money. With bringing in O'Neill, that would mean you have 2 high $$ RT's and playing one at RG. I think our replacement at RG is already on the roster (Pinter or Reed).

 

I don't see us making a move for O'Neill and despite salary cap concerns, I don't see them letting O'Neill get away, as he's far and away the best player on their OL. If he hits FA, he'll cost way more than we're wanting to pay.

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2 hours ago, Coltsman1788 said:

Nice breakdown EastStreet! Shows why Houston would be the better vet option between the two. I also liked the leadership presence that Houston had in the locker room. He often gave the pregame speeches to fire everyone up. We will miss that…not always easy to replace the intangibles.

Houston might be the better option but I think this all comes down to cost now.  I don't see how they can sign Fisher and Houston.  For me it's one or the other.  It could wind up Fisher/Kerrigan or Houston/Leno.  I think our decision on Fisher will give us an idea on the possible direction of an ER signing.

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13 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

I highly doubt this honestly. Ballard has talked about allowing the younger guys to get playing time and didn’t want to bring Houston back. Why would he go after another older guy? Makes zero sense. 

  

 CB will kick the tires on a lot of vets.
 The chance one of our DE's gets hurt before the start of the season is always there. Checking in with Kerrigan now might give you a slight advantage later if he waits to sign with someone.
Otherwise, signing him now on the cheap with little guaranteed is the only way he makes sense. 

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4 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

Yet added two in FA plus that area is far more solidified compared to the d line without question.  Adding depth was the big thing there. DE spot has depth plus youth which is what he wanted as well. 

 

I'm talking about the draft. Sometimes Ballard is misleading. I'm not pushing for Kerrigan, but I also think we need another starter on that line. I don't trust Lewis or Turay starting.

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4 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

I'm talking about the draft. Sometimes Ballard is misleading. I'm not pushing for Kerrigan, but I also think we need another starter on that line. I don't trust Lewis or Turay starting.

Ok I gotcha. I mean to each their own. I think Lewis will have a good year. I am pulling for Turay as well but I think Ballard is looking at a solid rotation more than one specific body. For this year anyways. 

23 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

  

 CB will kick the tires on a lot of vets.
 The chance one of our DE's gets hurt before the start of the season is always there. Checking in with Kerrigan now might give you a slight advantage later if he waits to sign with someone.
Otherwise, signing him now on the cheap with little guaranteed is the only way he makes sense. 

That is a good point. Kick the tires for a future possibility. I still doubt he signs him now. Maybe after cuts or during the season if need be. 

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7 hours ago, rayski said:

He just said on Cowherd as well and I quote "You gotta have an 8 man rotation"

I think Dayo has the ability to be inside on 3rd downs as well.

Excited, talent wise this should be the most talented Colts front in a long time. Can't wait to see Stewart this year.

 

Any chance of Banogu as linebacker? :thinking:

That’s 8 man rotation of defensive linemen, not defensive ends. 
 

And that’s on the 46-man game day active roster. 
 

On the 53 man roster we’ve never had more than 10 DL.  
 

Ballard is pretty consistent with his comments, but from time to time he will not speak on full complete sentences when he’s saying the same thing that he’s said for years.  

And he’s consistently said...  10 DL on the 53...    8 DL on the 46 man game day active roster. 

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5 hours ago, jshipp23 said:

Aren't they expanding rosters because of 17th game? If so we can afford to carry a few extra guys for depth...

I looked that up this week, and as of today, the NFL and the players have not agreed to expand rosters.    The two sides are fighting. 
 

The players do not want an off-season where they have to practice in any way when it’s not called “mandatory”.    The owners are said to be mad about that.  So, as of today, no expanded rosters.   That COULD change between now and roughly early Sept. 

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6 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I looked that up this week, and as of today, the NFL and the players have not agreed to expand rosters.    The two sides are fighting. 
 

The players do not want an off-season where they have to practice in any way when it’s not called “mandatory”.    The owners are said to be mad about that.  So, as of today, no expanded rosters.   That COULD change between now and roughly early Sept. 

what would they do with the cap in this situation if it’s pushed for this year? Just curious because you have teams riding the cap line now just to sign draft picks. Would they make any changes? I could see this being a factor next year with the cap jump estimated to be back around 200 million. 

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14 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

what would they do with the cap in this situation if it’s pushed for this year? Just curious because you have teams riding the cap line now just to sign draft picks. Would they make any changes? I could see this being a factor next year with the cap jump estimated to be back around 200 million. 

Honestly, I don’t know.

 

Im sure you saw the story about Denver Broncos RT Juwan James.   He blew up his Achilles working out, but he was working out off the Broncos facility.   He was working out on his own.   Denver is not going to pay James.  
 

And the NFL sent a memo to all 32 teams and the players and their union.   It says Denver doesn’t owe James money.   This is a big deal. 
 

Currently I think there are about 10 teams whose players do NOT plan to show up for any OTA that isn’t mandatory.   It’s legal, but clearly the NFL is extremely not happy.   The COLTS are not one of the 10.   They may still show up and workout.   But, they may also join the players from the 10 teams and NOT workout.    It’s up in the air. 

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On 5/5/2021 at 9:23 PM, Fluke_33 said:

Nancy?  What about her knee?  Don’t we have enough injured players?

Now if the Colts sign Tonya! She knows how to take out the competition!

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19 hours ago, Shive said:

That doesn't make sense at all. We have Braden Smith, who has been one of the top RT's in the league and needs a new contract. He's not taking a lesser contract to kick inside to RG and it wouldn't make sense to have a RG making RT money. With bringing in O'Neill, that would mean you have 2 high $$ RT's and playing one at RG. I think our replacement at RG is already on the roster (Pinter or Reed).

 

I don't see us making a move for O'Neill and despite salary cap concerns, I don't see them letting O'Neill get away, as he's far and away the best player on their OL. If he hits FA, he'll cost way more than we're wanting to pay.

Once we start resigning players next off-season we won't have much free cap space available to target FAs let alone feel comfortable signing rest of our own.

 

Right now my early estimates are 

 

LB Leonard 5/100m 60m guaranteed - 5 years $82.5 million 40m   guaranteed 

RT Smith 4/58m 30m guaranteed

LG Quenton Nelson 6yr/100m 

TE Mo Allie-Cox 3yr/33m

DE Al-Quadin Muhammad 2yr/4m

RB Marlon Mack 2yr/10m (5m APY) if remains  healthy

RB Nyheim Hines 3yr/19.5m (6.5m APY) Similar to A. Eckler

RG Glowinski 2yr/18m

 

With around 10m in cap space left over for 2022

 

So don't expect us to resign Hilton, Rhodes, or Pascal etc.  Wouldn't mind having O'Neill as our future LT but in all reality can't see it happening.

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11 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Honestly, I don’t know.

 

Im sure you saw the story about Denver Broncos RT Juwan James.   He blew up his Achilles working out, but he was working out off the Broncos facility.   He was working out on his own.   Denver is not going to pay James.  
 

And the NFL sent a memo to all 32 teams and the players and their union.   It says Denver doesn’t owe James money.   This is a big deal. 
 

Currently I think there are about 10 teams whose players do NOT plan to show up for any OTA that isn’t mandatory.   It’s legal, but clearly the NFL is extremely not happy.   The COLTS are not one of the 10.   They may still show up and workout.   But, they may also join the players from the 10 teams and NOT workout.    It’s up in the air. 

I did see the issue with the Broncos. So they have already said they will not pay his 20million? That is a bad stance to have for future FA’s for sure. Players can turn away from select and leave them as a lame duck. The NFL is a smart business but this might blow up in their face. Players will quit doing anything on their own and outside of a mandatory camp or practice these guys won’t be in great shape. That’s the NFL’s fault if this gets any worse. Learn to structure contracts better is what I would tell the NFLPA. 

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3 hours ago, OhioColt said:

Once we start resigning players next off-season we won't have much free cap space available to target FAs let alone feel comfortable signing rest of our own.

 

Right now my early estimates are 

 

LB Leonard 5/100m 60m guaranteed - 5 years $82.5 million 40m   guaranteed 

RT Smith 4/58m 30m guaranteed

LG Quenton Nelson 6yr/100m 

TE Mo Allie-Cox 3yr/33m

DE Al-Quadin Muhammad 2yr/4m

RB Marlon Mack 2yr/10m (5m APY) if remains  healthy

RB Nyheim Hines 3yr/19.5m (6.5m APY) Similar to A. Eckler

RG Glowinski 2yr/18m

 

With around 10m in cap space left over for 2022

 

So don't expect us to resign Hilton, Rhodes, or Pascal etc.  Wouldn't mind having O'Neill as our future LT but in all reality can't see it happening.

MAC is not getting $11m a season from us

Mack is not getting $5m a season from us

 

At this point Im not even sure if we bring Hines back. Irsay didn't seem to motivated to get an extension with him done unless the numbers make sense.

 

Glowinski will probably be gone to before we gave him $9m a season

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I don't know who Jason Spears is......Brittany's dad?

 

Regardless, this makes no sense.

 

Houston is younger, way more durable, is familiar w/ the team, great locker guy. Literally better in every way.  

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On 5/7/2021 at 4:45 AM, lollygagger8 said:

I don't know who Jason Spears is......Brittany's dad?

 

Regardless, this makes no sense.

 

Houston is younger, way more durable, is familiar w/ the team, great locker guy. Literally better in every way.  

At this point, it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

 

Clearly there is a much bigger gap in what Houston wants and what the Colts are willing to pay.   That’s the issue.   Dollars and cents,  not dollars and sense.  

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On 5/7/2021 at 4:43 AM, w87r said:

MAC is not getting $11m a season from us

Mack is not getting $5m a season from us

 

At this point Im not even sure if we bring Hines back. Irsay didn't seem to motivated to get an extension with him done unless the numbers make sense.

 

Glowinski will probably be gone to before we gave him $9m a season


I’m not sure there is an issue that the Colts community gets more wrong then money. 

People here either offer way, WAY too much, or way, WAY too little.   Rarely do you see posts that are close to being juuuust right. 
Been that way since the beginning....

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On 5/5/2021 at 8:24 PM, Wentzszn said:

If this is true Banogu is going to be gone lol. I have a hard time we would let Houston go and sign Kerrigan. Kerrigan might be cheaper I guess.

 

 

Kerrigan would be a significant upgrade to Houston IMO. These last few years in Washington, Kerrigan hasn't gotten much playing time because of how young and good their line is. He seems to have a lot left in the tank, certainly enough for a typical 1 year Ballard deal. 

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Saw that Kerrigan signed with the Eagles. A little bit of a surprise. I would rather have Houston over Kerrigan so here is hoping we can still sign Houston on a reasonable contract.

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34 minutes ago, BigO said:

Saw that Kerrigan signed with the Eagles. A little bit of a surprise. I would rather have Houston over Kerrigan so here is hoping we can still sign Houston on a reasonable contract.

I wouldn’t  say the chances to sign Houston are zero...   but they’re not much higher than that.   As Ballard himself said after the draft,  our DL room is now pretty full. 

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