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1 hour ago, John Hammonds said:

Yup.  True, that.  And totally agree.

 

I do find it amusing that the moment anyone invokes the 2017 draft, there are immediate assumptions that they're saying Ballard is bad at drafting, or that Hooker was a bust.

 

I think my statement still stands.  Simple rules of expectation say that you would think your first pick in your draft will be the best player.

And in 2017?

Hooker had an injury that he never truly recovered from.

Wilson grew frustrated with our soft zone approach, was sent to the Jets, where he wasn't successful there either.

Basham couldn't fully tap his potential here, and also went to the Jets, where at least he played a lot.

Banner truly did bust out, but it's not often you call a 3rd round pick a bust.

Which makes my other statement true, too.  If your first pick isn't the best player, then something went horribly wrong.  It did go wrong.  Hooker had a bad injury that he never recovered from.

 

Sorry, NCF, normally I don't write the back-and-forth messages getting all defensive and stuff.  Maybe I'm just poopy after a long day.  :) 

FWIW Banner did not bust out.  He just took a little longer.  He actually made our 53 but was cut after we claimed another player.  He was quickly claimed and wound up playing for a few teams before ending up with the Steelers in 2019.  In 2020 he signed a one year contract and was their starting RT opening day.  He was injured the 1st game and lost for the season.  He just signed a two year contract with the Steelers March 2021.  Hopefully he is better and ready to go this year.

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9 hours ago, Hoose said:

Paye. Not just because of his 1st rounder status. But because I think his work ethic, character and history brings a player who will give it 110% every day to learn and improve. Here is Robert Mathis’ dream come true: great talent; great athlete; with lots of room to grow. My bet is Mathis adopts him. The Colts got a gem here and I predict big things for this young man.  

I hope you're right, but I'm getting tired of waiting on Mathis to create another Mathis after all the talk about Turay. It's time to produce. Every great player isn't a great coach.

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1 hour ago, John Hammonds said:

Yup.  True, that.  And totally agree.

 

I do find it amusing that the moment anyone invokes the 2017 draft, there are immediate assumptions that they're saying Ballard is bad at drafting, or that Hooker was a bust.

 

I think my statement still stands.  Simple rules of expectation say that you would think your first pick in your draft will be the best player.

And in 2017?

Hooker had an injury that he never truly recovered from.

Wilson grew frustrated with our soft zone approach, was sent to the Jets, where he wasn't successful there either.

Basham couldn't fully tap his potential here, and also went to the Jets, where at least he played a lot.

Banner truly did bust out, but it's not often you call a 3rd round pick a bust.

Which makes my other statement true, too.  If your first pick isn't the best player, then something went horribly wrong.  It did go wrong.  Hooker had a bad injury that he never recovered from.

 

Sorry, NCF, normally I don't write the back-and-forth messages getting all defensive and stuff.  Maybe I'm just poopy after a long day.  :) 

You don’t sound defensive at all.   No worries. 
 

Just to be clear, Banner was a 4th round draft pick and a late 4 at that.   But at least he’s finally figured it out and may be the Steelers starting tackle this season. 
 

Hooker:  injured 

Wilson;  too immature.  Wasn’t successful with the Jets and now I think he’s with the Giants. 
Basham:  for all the bragging that one poster likes to do about him, he was with the Jets, had some modest improvement, and what did the Jets do?   They let him go and now he’ll be a depth guy in Dallas.  
 

I don’t think Ballard has much to apologize for with his first class.  A unique set of circumstances.   We got good mileage out of Stewart, Mack and Walker.   Life moves on.

 

But few seem happy today.  So it’s best to keep your head down and live to debate another day.   
 

Hope you’re well. 

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3 hours ago, Matabix said:

Not to put a damper on the Paye pick. Our 7th round pick Fries held him in check all game. 

Watching Shawn Davis reminds me of another small safety we had. Watching tape on Davis brought back alot of warm fuzzy feelings of Sanders.

So Fries is our best pick!  Hallelujah!!  (ha ha)

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10 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Luck is involved in everything,  but only a part of it.  A 5th round draft pick working his but off and being willing to be coached isn't luck

You're absolutely right. Luck is involved in everything. and it's just not good luck. Bad luck plays a large part. It has played a large part with Turay and Campbell with their injuries. A certain party in this discussion has called Ballard the worst GM for drafting Edge rushers and brings up Turays' name in his argument but turns around and agrees that luck plays a big part but only if a player works out better than expected and then that is due to blind luck on the part of the GM.

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Using the aformentioned event of acquiring our QB with a pick...then this is my order....

 

(1) Wentz

(2) Dayo (Would have went higher than Kwity without the injury)

(3) Kwity

(4) Granson

(5) Strachen

(6) Davis

(7) Ehlinger

(8) Fries

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16 hours ago, John Hammonds said:

Yup.  And more power to him.

 

But when your 4th round RB and your 5th round DT are the best players in the 2017 draft, something went wrong.  Something went badly wrong.  You first round pick, by expectation, ought to be the best player in your draft.

Tell that to Tom Brady, or Terrell Davis, or Mathis for that matter. Obviously I agree with you that it ought to be, but I should have been POTUS based on what people said about me in high school. Guess what, it didn't happen. LOL. Honestly I'm glad it didn't either. Just do the best u can with what u got and everything will work out. Life is too absurd and unpredictable to try to boil it all down to some math equation.

 

Also, Draft picks are like porn, kinda hard to describe why you like this or that, but you just know it when you see it.

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20 hours ago, John Hammonds said:

Yup.  And more power to him.

 

But when your 4th round RB and your 5th round DT are the best players in the 2017 draft, something went wrong.  Something went badly wrong.  You first round pick, by expectation, ought to be the best player in your draft.

Yeah, I don't agree with that sentiment. Everyone develops differently, has different set of circumstances they're faced with. Your late rounders are typically picked based on traits, they have some missing thing(s) but if they can put it all together, they can be great. Guys like Brackett and Mathis and countless players Indy has picked over the years. 

 

It sounds cheesy but once the draft is done, it's a fresh start. Sure the early rounder gets a little bit more rope because yeah, they're expected to contribute more RIGHT AWAY but on the long run, it doesn't mean diddly. I was reading Richard Sherman's blog post the other evening. Classic story of how a 5th rounder dives in, gets a shot at the job, and makes it his own. I don't expect the first rounder to be the best over his career, i expect him to be the best in the first year, after that, it's fair game.

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