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55 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

The more I think about it.  Why would Fisher agree to a visit unless he and his doctor’s and agent were confident that he could pass a physical and the scrutiny of our team of doctor’s and staff.  Otherwise why bother.  They know we are in the market for a tackle right now.  If he should fail we are moving on to Leno or someone else.  It sure feels to me like he’s going to be our new LT.  

It's more about his current progress than passing a physical, and he likely needs to sell his willingness to rehab the right way.

 

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13 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

It's more about his current progress than passing a physical, and he likely needs to sell his willingness to rehab the right way.

 

How do you pass a physical ?

 

Its not healed yet

 

He cant run or jump....

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10 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

How do you pass a physical ?

 

Its not healed yet

 

He cant run or jump....

That's my point lol... All they can do is look at scans, see if his flex or other KPIs are good, and get a feel for his eagerness and commitment to rehab. 

 

He's not running any 3 cone.

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6 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

And how does that alter things?

 

 

If the extent isn't bad, it could be healed non surgically via a lengthy convalescent period. Surgical repair increases potential for full recovery though.

 

Santa Rosa Orthopaedics foot and ankle specialist Dr. Mark Schakel puts it this way-

 

“Surgically, Achilles tendon tears are comparatively easy to repair. A small incision is made over the back of the ankle, making it possible for the torn tendon ends to be sutured back together,” Schakel explains. “The greater issue for highly athletic patients is the recovery period that follows surgery. These types of injuries require physical therapy for up to a year or more, so the leg can recover enough for competition.” A period of immobilization is required to regain ankle range of motion and leg strength via physical therapy. Many athletes must undergo physical therapy for a year or more before the leg recovers enough to compete. Although the healing rates for surgery are high, it is still very difficult for athletes to fully recover their explosive power which is a real problem for professional basketball players."  I'd add football players as well.

 

People can read this article, from last July (2020) by Dane Wukich, M.D. Orthopaedic Surgery -

 

Achilles tendon injuries: Why do they take so long to heal?

 

 

 

 

You don’t think there have been medical advances in the last two decades?    Seriously?

 

Has there been any area of medicine that hadn’t improved in the last 19 years?   

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The Fisher or Leno issue should be resolved soon.  
 

NFL.com now reporting that Leno has scheduled a trip to meet with the WFT next week. 
 

Decisions will have to be made soon enough. 

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7 hours ago, EastStreet said:

I'd love a one year deal. I think it's very dangerous for him though. If he has a meh year, his value will tank and career likely over.

I think that's more likely post-draft with the market being what it is at this point. Colts could bring him in on incentives with an option if he works out.

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27 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

The Fisher or Leno issue should be resolved soon.  
 

NFL.com now reporting that Leno has scheduled a trip to meet with the WFT next week. 
 

Decisions will have to be made soon enough. 

Seems he would be reluctant to take second place to Fisher. Not cool.

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13 minutes ago, CoachLite said:

Seems he would be reluctant to take second place to Fisher. Not cool.

Im not sure what the “not cool” part is?   Seems everyone is just doing their due diligence.   Nobody wants a mistake.   Not the team.   Not the player. 

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1 hour ago, MikeCurtis said:

How do you pass a physical ?

 

Its not healed yet

 

He cant run or jump....

This far into rehab they can access if he is on track. Behind or ahead of schedule. Talk to him about how he has been rehabbing it. He tore if 3 months ago. They should be able to tell if he is on track with his rehab.

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Initially I wanted Fisher, but the more I have thought about it give me Leno. We arent expecting Dayo to come in and produce until mid season but we are wanting a guy 10 years older with the same injury to come back and be a day 1 starter. Lets pay Leno and just solidify the position for the next couple years.

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3 hours ago, JoeThornburg said:

I think that's more likely post-draft with the market being what it is at this point. Colts could bring him in on incentives with an option if he works out.

There are more teams in the hunt than just Indy though. 

IMO, he'll go to the highest pure guarantees and longest term.

If Ballard is playing hard ball and drawing a line, not so sure it works out.

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4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

You don’t think there have been medical advances in the last two decades?    Seriously?

 

Absolutely there has been, who said I didn't?  In addition, I'll add I've been intricately involved in some of it (maybe a minute portion) as well... before I finally retired.

 

 

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Has there been any area of medicine that hadn’t improved in the last 19 years?   

 

Some (Many?) way more than others... However-

 

Pro basketball players can 'dunk' the ball. Have been for awhile. Who's doing it now so much better now than Dr. J did back in 1976? (45 years ago)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRw-mN-fiAk

 

Once you can do something well, improvements on it are incrementally small.

 

38 minutes ago, twfish said:

Initially I wanted Fisher, but the more I have thought about it give me Leno. We arent expecting Dayo to come in and produce until mid season but we are wanting a guy 10 years older with the same injury to come back and be a day 1 starter.

 

OK, evidence of someone putting the some of grey matter to use?  :)

 

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Lets pay Leno and just solidify the position for the next couple years.

 I'll trust CB, Colts docs on their final decision.

 

:)

 

 

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27 minutes ago, twfish said:

Initially I wanted Fisher, but the more I have thought about it give me Leno. We arent expecting Dayo to come in and produce until mid season but we are wanting a guy 10 years older with the same injury to come back and be a day 1 starter. Lets pay Leno and just solidify the position for the next couple years.

 

Actually, I read Fisher could be back by mid-august

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Dayo and Fisher are two different situations.

 

Dayo was picked, in a draft willingly, knowing all the risks. At worst, he'll be a cheap rook waste of draft pick.

 

Fisher is a bigger investment, at a position of immediate need. And it really depends on how long the Colts envision the partnership lasting. If it's one year, not a ton of sense. Waiting till November for what you think might be a 2-3 year fix may not be near as big as issue compared to a desired 1-2 year fix.

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11 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Absolutely there has been, who said I didn't?  In addition, I'll add I've been intricately involved in some of it as well... before I finally retired.

 

 

 

Some (Many?) way more than others... However-

 

Pro basketball players can 'dunk' the ball. Have been for awhile. Who's doing it now so much better now than Dr. J did back in 1976? (45 years ago)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRw-mN-fiAk

 

Once you can do something well, improvements on it are incrementally small.

 

 

OK, evidence of someone putting the some of grey matter to use?  :)

 

 I'll trust CB, Colts docs on their final decision.

 

:)

 

 

I was simply responding to your question — which I clearly didn’t understand — “how does that alter things?”   It was your question.  It was the first thing you wrote.   And I didn’t understand why unless you’re implying there’s been nothing new in the treatment of a torn Achilles for nearly two decades.  
 

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10 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I was simply responding to your question — which I clearly didn’t understand — “how does that alter things?”   It was your question.  

 

Yes, the question was (now expanded) if things are altered, explain how these altered things are 'so much better' these days than it was 19-20 years ago...

 

Feel free to answer...

 

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It was the first thing you wrote.   And I didn’t understand why unless you’re implying there’s been nothing new in the treatment of a torn Achilles for nearly two decades. 

 

 My implication is  anything that was/is new over the years (I've reported some AT repair procedures I'm aware of) is fairly minuscule in comparison to the patients biology and their desire to recover to full strength by consistent strenuous rehab, which determines the bulk of recovery time and capacity.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Actually, I read Fisher could be back by mid-august

 

 By a coach or team front office guy? 


And just before said #1 overall pick and 8 year vet was cut from their team?

 

" It was on the internet... it has to be true. "

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5 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Yes, the question was (now expanded) if things are altered, explain how these altered things are 'so much better' these days than it was 19-20 years ago...

 

Feel free to answer...

 

 

 My implication is  anything that was/ is new over the years (I've reported some procedure I'm aware of) is minuscule in terms of the patients biology and their desire to recover to full strength by consistent strenuous rehab, which determines the bulk of recovery time and capacity.

 

 

No need to respond.   I remain as confused as I was when I read your first post.   I’m sure it’s a “me” thing.   We can let this go.   It doesn’t appear to be going anywhere.   Thanks anyway. 

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13 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

 By a coach or team front office guy? 


And just before said #1 overall pick and 8 year vet was cut from their team?

 

" It was on the internet... it has to be true. "

 

 

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8 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

 

I'd like to know his source. I know what was said in March by the Chiefs GM-

 

"Mitch just recently had his disc worked on, and we’re hopeful for him to return to training camp, and the same thing with Fish," Veach said just 10 days before Fisher and Schwartz were released. "So, we’re hopeful both these guys can complete the rehab and be available for training camp and start the 2021 season. I would probably say Pat is ahead of them just because of that type of injury and probably a quicker recovery, but hopefully we’ll have all three ready to go by training camp."

 

Chiefs not long after cut both of those tackles.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/news/kansas-city-chiefs-release-tackles-eric-fisher-and-mitchell-schwartz

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

I'd like to know his source. I know what was said in March by the Chiefs GM-

 

"Mitch just recently had his disc worked on, and we’re hopeful for him to return to training camp, and the same thing with Fish," Veach said just 10 days before Fisher and Schwartz were released. "So, we’re hopeful both these guys can complete the rehab and be available for training camp and start the 2021 season. I would probably say Pat is ahead of them just because of that type of injury and probably a quicker recovery, but hopefully we’ll have all three ready to go by training camp."

 

Chiefs not long after cut both of those tackles.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/news/kansas-city-chiefs-release-tackles-eric-fisher-and-mitchell-schwartz

 

 

 

 

 

I'm just sharing news.

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34 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

I'm just sharing news.

 

No problem.

 

Then again, I'm countering the information is out of date, or just plain wrong. The medical evaluation he gets on his visit here trumps everything 'reported' beforehand.

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1 minute ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

No problem.

 

Then again, I'm countering the information is out of date, or just plain wrong. The medical evaluation he gets on his visit here trumps everything 'reported' beforehand.

 

Agreed

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2 hours ago, EastStreet said:

There are more teams in the hunt than just Indy though. 

IMO, he'll go to the highest pure guarantees and longest term.

If Ballard is playing hard ball and drawing a line, not so sure it works out.

Right man. I get that. How many of these teams though are gonna pitch him RT money? Villanueva just got RT money and is all butthurt about it now. Not that I don't blame him but he's talking smack about the wrong people.

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7 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am not so sure that Leno wouldn't be the better fit? He is solid average and 100% healthy and only 29. If we sign Fisher though, I will be happy. I am good either way.

Doesn’t Leno play right tackle ? It’s not the same could be a rough transition. Fisher when healthy is better and a left tackle . They are only a year difference in age . Fisher should be back mid August . Medical advances have shorten the injury to 4 to 6 months  he could be totally healed before training camp . 

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3 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

Doesn’t Leno play right tackle ? It’s not the same could be a rough transition. Fisher when healthy is better and a left tackle . They are only a year difference in age . Fisher should be back mid August . Medical advances have shorten the injury to 4 to 6 months  he could be totally healed before training camp . 

He played LT for some time with the Bears last season.

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We have tevi who is a high level backup even if he has to play the first two games give me fisher . Playoff time fisher will shut down elite pass rushers and we can sign him to a three year deal and would have time to draft a tackle and let him sit and learn .

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2 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

Doesn’t Leno play right tackle ? It’s not the same could be a rough transition. Fisher when healthy is better and a left tackle . They are only a year difference in age . Fisher should be back mid August . Medical advances have shorten the injury to 4 to 6 months  he could be totally healed before training camp . 

No Leno plays LT but I am good with either. 

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

No Leno plays LT but I am good with either. 

That changes everything is he just as good as fisher ? Fisher is a pro bowl level guy . If he is just as good as fisher I agree take the healthy guy but he will cost a lot more 

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5 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

That changes everything is he just as good as fisher ? Fisher is a pro bowl level guy . If he is just as good as fisher I agree take the healthy guy but he will cost a lot more 

He isn't as good as Fisher but healthy. Leno is average to above average which is good enough because he has Nelson by his side. Fisher is great but an Achilles injury is bad.

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He isn't as good as Fisher but healthy. Leno is average to above average which is good enough because he has Nelson by his side. Fisher is great but an Achilles injury is bad.

But if fisher is healthy by august like the reports say I’ll take him . In the playoffs a elite tackle vs a slightly above average guy will show up .

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1 minute ago, coming on strong said:

But if fisher is healthy by august like the reports say I’ll take him . In the playoffs a elite tackle vs a slightly above average guy will show up .

If Fisher is healthy than it is a no brainer no doubt I agree. I do like Leno though for a 2nd option if we don't get Fish.

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Leno is small for a LT and can get pushed back too easily.  I assume that's one of the reasons why the Bears are going with Jenkins.  And no, playing next to Q won't help very much from Leno from getting pushed back. 

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