Julio on the block?!

[r a y s k i]

It's a long shot for us even to dream about it, but imagine if a team like the Chiefs get him or the Patriots 

[MPStack]

Translation: He’s going to get cut.

[r a y s k i]

23 minutes ago, MPStack said:

Translation: He’s going to get cut.

If that happens, we need to at least call, what a stud, not just as a wide receiver but the sort of mentality he'd bring as well, true pro

[chad72]

41 minutes ago, rayski said:

It's a long shot for us even to dream about it, but imagine if a team like the Chiefs get him or the Patriots 

[Shadow_Creek]

if the falcons are trading juilo jones then sadly that means they'll definitely be taking Waddle 

[chad72]

3 minutes ago, Shadow_Creek said:

if the falcons are trading juilo jones then sadly that means they'll definitely be taking Waddle 

 

WR depth is deep enough that they can take Pitts and use him multiple ways, that is more likely to happen, IMO. Or Devonta Smith should be there at No. 4 if they indeed want to go the WR route.

[r a y s k i]

14 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

WR depth is deep enough that they can take Pitts and use him multiple ways, that is more likely to happen, IMO. Or Devonta Smith should be there at No. 4 if they indeed want to go the WR route.

 

17 minutes ago, Shadow_Creek said:

if the falcons are trading juilo jones then sadly that means they'll definitely be taking Waddle 

It's Chase or Pitts or trade imo

[w87r]

1 hour ago, MPStack said:

Translation: He’s going to get cut.

That's not the translation at all.

 

 

If they release him they have $40.5m dead cap hit. Would be spread over 2 years post June 1st, but not happening.

 

If they trade him post June 1st they only have $23.25m dead cap hit over 2 years.

 

They are not paying him $17m more to release him.

[DougDew]

As good of a player Julio is, and he's very good, its really hard to live up to the level of capital ATL invested in him, both contractually and when he was drafted.  Not really his fault.  Any team that invests that much into a position player is setting themselves up for a bad return on investment.

[Jackie Daytona]

2 hours ago, rayski said:

It's a long shot for us even to dream about it, but imagine if a team like the Chiefs get him or the Patriots 

So, why is it not just as a long shot for the chiefs or patriots? Granted, we aren't known for trading for huge contracts/players even after DeFo and Carson.... Or for paying WR big money.... We might be less likely, but why are they specifically more likely?

 

 

 

[MPStack]

2 hours ago, rayski said:

45 minutes ago, w87r said:

If they trade him post June 1st they only have $23.25m dead cap hit over 2 years.

You think someone’s going to trade for him at 32, injury concerns and huge contract.

 

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They are not paying him $17m more to release him.

They aren’t paying him. Yes, it’s a huge hit with the CAP for a team with a aging QB and still heading south. It’s happened before and could very well happen. Unfortunately, the NFL is a business. 
 

https://overthecap.com/the-biggest-dead-

money-cap-charges-of-all-time/amp/

 

Just a full examples and mind you some are quite a few years back, also with some involving trades. 

[richard pallo]

41 minutes ago, w87r said:

That's not the translation at all.

 

 

If they release him they have $40.5m dead cap hit. Would be spread over 2 years post June 1st, but not happening.

 

If they trade him post June 1st they only have $23.25m dead cap hit over 2 years.

 

They are not paying him $17m more to release him.

FWIW Florio predicted on his program yesterday that they would release him.  He gave his reasoning and referenced the dead cap hit.  I don’t remember his exact explanation unfortunately. 

[w87r]

39 minutes ago, MPStack said:

You think someone’s going to trade for him at 32, injury concerns and huge contract.

 

They aren’t paying him. Yes, it’s a huge hit with the CAP for a team with a aging QB and still heading south. It’s happened before and could very well happen. Unfortunately, the NFL is a business. 
 

https://overthecap.com/the-biggest-dead-

money-cap-charges-of-all-time/amp/

 

Just a full examples and mind you some are quite a few years back, also with some involving trades. 

 

37 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

FWIW Florio predicted on his program yesterday that they would release him.  He gave his reasoning and referenced the dead cap hit.  I don’t remember his exact explanation unfortunately. 

It cost the Falcons $23.05m(cap space)to keep him this year.

 

It cost the Falcons $40.55m(cap space) to release him pre June 1st 

 

It cost the Falcons $25.05m(cap space) in 2021 and $15.5m(cap space) in 2022 to release him post June 1st.

 

 

The Falcons don't save any money by releasing him pre or post June 1st this year, in fact cost them more.

 

Why would they pay him $2m more (against the cap)to release him this year than it cost to keep him? They don't even have the cap space to make up that extra right now.

 

Straight up its not gonna happen.

 

 

FWIW, Florio is way off base.

 

 

Now on the other hand Julio would only cost the team he is traded to the following amount:

2021:$15.3m(guaranteed)

2022:$11.5m($2m guaranteed)

2023:$11.5m(not guaranteed)

 

 

Why would teams not make that deal.

 

 

I will wait for a good answer on both.

 

Why a team wouldn't trade for him at those minimal guaranteed amounts?

Why the Falcons would take a bigger cap hot to release him than to keep him this year, when the point is to save money?

 

 

Falcons save $15m on post June 1st trade, so even if they had to attach a pick to him it would make sense financially to do so. They wont have to though.

[chad72]

20 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

It cost the Falcons $23.05m(cap space)to keep him this year.

 

It cost the Falcons $40.55m(cap space) to release him pre June 1st 

 

It cost the Falcons $25.05m(cap space) in 2021 and $15.5m(cap space) in 2022 to release him post June 1st.

 

 

The Falcons don't save any money by releasing him pre or post June 1st this year, in fact cost them more.

 

Why would they pay him $2m more (against the cap)to release him this year than it cost to keep him? They don't even have the cap space to make up that extra right now.

 

Straight up its not gonna happen.

 

 

FWIW, Florio is way off base.

 

 

Now on the other hand Julio would only cost the team he is traded to the following amount:

2021:$15.3m(guaranteed)

2022:$11.5m($2m guaranteed)

2023:$11.5m(not guaranteed)

 

 

Why would teams not make that deal.

 

 

I will wait for a good answer on both.

 

Why a team wouldn't trade for him at those minimal guaranteed amounts?

Why the Falcons would take a bigger cap hot to release him than to keep him this year, when the point is to save money?

 

 

Falcons save $15m on post June 1st trade, so even if they had to attach a pick to him it would make sense financially to do so. They wont have to though.

 

If they trade him, to say the Ravens (who have 2 first rounders now) or the Dolphins for a mid first round pick, in all likelihood, his contract would have to be re-worked so that the Falcons do not continue to pay a huge price, IMO.

[w87r]

19 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

If they trade him, to say the Ravens (who have 2 first rounders now) for a first round pick, in all likelihood, his contract would have to be re-worked so that the Falcons do not continue to pay a huge price, IMO.

The Falcons are on the hook for $23.25m against the cap regardless, when/if they trade him because it has already been paid out with the SB and Option Bonus. They can get off the hook for the guaranteed portions of base salary though by trading him. 

 

Falcons would be on the hook for the guaranteed base salaries if they release him though.

 

$15.3m in 2021 and the $2m of 2022 base that is guaranteed(injury)

 

Reworked deal would only effect thr new team.

 

[DougDew]

39 minutes ago, w87r said:

The Falcons are on the hook for $23.25m against the cap regardless, when/if they trade him because it has already been paid out with the SB and Option Bonus. They can get off the hook for the guaranteed portions of base salary though by trading him. 

 

Falcons would be on the hook for the guaranteed base salaries if they release him though.

 

$15.3m in 2021 and the $2m of 2022 base that is guaranteed(injury)

 

Reworked deal would only effect thr new team.

 

Yes.  Julio is not that expensive to the team he is traded to.  Its about the size of a good FA contract, and he is still a good player.  I can't see the falcons receiving much of a draft pick in return.  It could be one of those deals where they send him AND a late round pick to get him off the books.  Especially if they draft Pitts at 4.

[BlueShoe]

I personally don’t want him. He is always hurt and he would cost too much. 
 

Julio 5 years or so ago... We’re having a different conversation. 

[shasta519]

3 hours ago, w87r said:

That's not the translation at all.

 

 

If they release him they have $40.5m dead cap hit. Would be spread over 2 years post June 1st, but not happening.

 

If they trade him post June 1st they only have $23.25m dead cap hit over 2 years.

 

They are not paying him $17m more to release him.

 

Yeah...they can trade his base salary...which actually isn't that bad for team looking to add a player like Jones. I actually think this trade might happen. BAL seems like a very obvious spot. 

[shasta519]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

 

It cost the Falcons $23.05m(cap space)to keep him this year.

 

It cost the Falcons $40.55m(cap space) to release him pre June 1st 

 

It cost the Falcons $25.05m(cap space) in 2021 and $15.5m(cap space) in 2022 to release him post June 1st.

 

 

The Falcons don't save any money by releasing him pre or post June 1st this year, in fact cost them more.

 

Why would they pay him $2m more (against the cap)to release him this year than it cost to keep him? They don't even have the cap space to make up that extra right now.

 

Straight up its not gonna happen.

 

 

FWIW, Florio is way off base.

 

 

Now on the other hand Julio would only cost the team he is traded to the following amount:

2021:$15.3m(guaranteed)

2022:$11.5m($2m guaranteed)

2023:$11.5m(not guaranteed)

 

 

Why would teams not make that deal.

 

 

I will wait for a good answer on both.

 

Why a team wouldn't trade for him at those minimal guaranteed amounts?

Why the Falcons would take a bigger cap hot to release him than to keep him this year, when the point is to save money?

 

 

Falcons save $15m on post June 1st trade, so even if they had to attach a pick to him it would make sense financially to do so. They wont have to though.

 

Florio was way off base. But he retracted that statement in a recent article.

 

"(I threw a dart suggesting he’d potentially be cut during PFT Live without checking the duration of the guarantees.)"