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Doyle has always been a mixed bag of success to this team and it all comes down to QB play and if he can stay healthy.  With Luck, he just couldn't stay healthy and with JB/PR he just never got the chemistry together which is probably why he didn't end up on IR.  I totally got why they resigned him as our offense was dismal without him but without a dynamic QB lining up under center, Jack Doyle is a waisted asset just like TY.  In comes Wentz, a product of hitting the TE but will Jack Doyle be able to hold up to the work load or will he revert back to the days when he couldn't handle being the every day target?  History has the answers unfortunately.  

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30 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

I've been wanting a dynamic TE for a couple of years now. Doyle is good, but aging...and Mac isn't quick twitch enough. 

Very few true TEs are "quick twitch"

MAC had pretty good separation stats all year.

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19 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Very few true TEs are "quick twitch"

MAC had pretty good separation stats all year.

Said he wasn't quick twitch enough, and that is for my likes. I am referring to his ability change direction with his torso and arms to haul in challenging throws. Dallas Clark was outstanding at that. For me, it's more important than separation. He's too stiff most of the time. I love the guy, but he is not dynamic enough to be the main TE. 

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4 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Said he wasn't quick twitch enough, and that is for my likes. I am referring to his ability change direction with his torso and arms to haul in challenging throws. Dallas Clark was outstanding at that. For me, it's more important than separation. He's too stiff most of the time. I love the guy, but he is not dynamic enough to be the main TE. 

 

Clark wasn't really a true TE to me. Guys like Clark at 6-3, or Burton, etc., are more HB/slot guys than TEs.

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42 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Hoping they get Tremble

Reich was seen talking to the TE coach at the ND pro day. We need that third round pick back.

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2 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

Reich was seen talking to the TE coach at the ND pro day. We need that third round pick back.

Glad the staff finally learned from there mistakes as I said last draft that Chase Claypool and Cole Kmet would be stellar choices but what the hell do I know.  No need to talk to the TE coach but whatever floats there boat.

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1 minute ago, BornHoosier said:

Glad the staff finally learned from there mistakes as I said last draft that Chase Claypool and Cole Kmet would be stellar choices but what the hell do I know.  No need to talk to the TE coach but whatever floats there boat.

I'm happy to wait till next year, and draft Michael Mayer.

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5 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

I fortunately, this isn’t a great class of tight ends.   Not sure what we will find if we wait until Day 3?


Very true.  Even day two.  After Pitts the drop off is significant.  There will be FAs with experience that would be just as good or better.  

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I am really expecting Ertz to find his way on the team.  If not then Burton will be back I think.  We know he can play.  If they have their eyes on Tremble it will probably require a trade up to get him I believe.  We moved up for Taylor so it could happen sometime during the draft.  So many ways to go.  

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I think it’s cool Doyle will be able to retire a colt. It’s a cool story to play for your home team your entire career. He is always reliable. If they needed ten yards he would get you eleven.  He had the one year with the hip and kidney thing but other then that he has been a very reliable colt. Every team needs a Doyle.

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13 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Very few true TEs are "quick twitch"

MAC had pretty good separation stats all year.

I'll never know why we didn't give him more snaps running routes.  At least in the red zone.  It was like Trey Burton got healthy and MAC got dog housed or something.  Burton missed the first month and still had 20 more snaps running routes. Which was weird since he was like, the highest rated TE by PFF standards at one point.  By the end of the season he was still ranked in the top 5, 

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MAC can take over for Doyle as the traditional blocking/possession TE.  He's not the kind of dynamic TE Irsay was talking about a while back.

 

If we don't acquire Ertz for 1 or 2 years, Tremble, McKitty, or Brevin Jordan from UMiami would fit that profile.

 

Since we're a little thin/unstable at the receiver position, acquiring that move TE this year will help Wentz get comfortable.

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2 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

I'll never know why we didn't give him more snaps running routes.  At least in the red zone.  It was like Trey Burton got healthy and MAC got dog housed or something.  Burton missed the first month and still had 20 more snaps running routes. Which was weird since he was like, the highest rated TE by PFF standards at one point.  By the end of the season he was still ranked in the top 5, 

He had a knee injury most of the year. Might of been part of the reason. I thought I read it could be a thing that could effect him the the rest of his career. Sounded like something genetic.

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1 hour ago, Mr.NotSoCreative said:

Kid is a stud. Really need him to stay another year so he and Buchner can get us a Natty.

If he has another good year, IMO he'll be a top 2 TE. I think he'll be a go too this coming season.  I'd love him to stay too, but just can't see it.

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3 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

I'll never know why we didn't give him more snaps running routes.  At least in the red zone.  It was like Trey Burton got healthy and MAC got dog housed or something.  Burton missed the first month and still had 20 more snaps running routes. Which was weird since he was like, the highest rated TE by PFF standards at one point.  By the end of the season he was still ranked in the top 5, 

IMO, Reich used him another slot since Campbell was out. 

I expect him to get a lot more targets this year.  The guy simply did well at everything, and caught just about everything thrown to him. Only that one bad drop (bounced off his chest). Aside from that, he was a stud. 

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23 hours ago, Wentzszn said:

Reich was seen talking to the TE coach at the ND pro day. We need that third round pick back.

We will get it as Ballard trades out of 1st round. He picks up LT Jenkins and  and Tremble in the 2nd round with their 1st 2 picks. Could u imagine that Oline and run blocking?? Nasty....nasty and then nasty. I could live with that haul.  Wouldn't have to address the Dend position as out time of possession would be 40 mins a game lol.  Their running game would be scary and old school. Would love it.  

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Tight Ends tend to come from a number of different sources. I would like to see the Colts have a couple of developmental guys this year who are just great athletes and can learn. If they draft one, it needs to be someone who falls for some reason, but is a great value. I doubt if this will be a first or second round pick. 

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On 4/20/2021 at 9:24 AM, Wentzszn said:

I wonder if maybe Cox can have a better season with Wentz as the QB. We will see. He needs to get Cox those 50/50 balls.

MAC was extremely productive whenever called on. IMO Reich used Burton too much. Probably because we were lacking a traditional slot when Campbell went down.

 

I loved MAC's usage and productivity on intermediate routes. That MN game was phenomenal. Not sure why Reich never went back to those routes. 

 

I think he'll be crazy good on 50/50.

 

So in short, I think it's all up to Reich.... Hoping nonetheless he and Wentz develop some great chemistry.

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On 4/20/2021 at 12:48 AM, BornHoosier said:

Wentz is a TE qb, do we want to waste another year waiting for all the pieces to fall in place?

In the NFL all the pieces will never fall in place.  All teams have holes.  

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On 4/20/2021 at 12:38 AM, BornHoosier said:

Glad the staff finally learned from there mistakes as I said last draft that Chase Claypool and Cole Kmet would be stellar choices but what the hell do I know.  No need to talk to the TE coach but whatever floats there boat.

You know who else were good picks?  Pittman and Taylor.  The guys they used their seconds on.  You’d have to give them up.  
 

I liked claypool and kmet coming out of school too but I am not exactly disappointed with the guys the Colts did draft instead and wouldn’t call drafting them mistakes.  

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On 4/19/2021 at 11:48 PM, BornHoosier said:

Wentz is a TE qb, do we want to waste another year waiting for all the pieces to fall in place?

Historically, you can find TEs in the mid to lower rounds. The hype on Pitts may be warranted but I remember how people talked about OJ Howard like he'd come into the league and be the next Gronk or Calvin J. Today, the top 3 TEs in the league are:

1]Travis Kelce. Drafted before him in 2013? Eifert, Ertz, Escobar, Vance Mac. Kelce was a 3rd rounder. 

2] Darren Waller. He was drafted as a WR by the Ravens. 14 TEs went before him including the Irish dynamos O'Shaugnessy and O'Leary. Waller was picked in the 6th round.

3] George Kittle. 8 guys picked before him inc. the supposed future HoF OJ Howard. Kittle was a 6th rounder.

 

 

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On 4/19/2021 at 11:08 PM, Wentzszn said:

Ballard will talk to the media Friday.

 

Stephen Holder said he heard Doyle is going to retire after this year. We really need a younger TE.

Check out my "Final April Mock" in the Draft section.  I have us taking Baby Gronk Friermuth at 54.

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4 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

Historically, you can find TEs in the mid to lower rounds. The hype on Pitts may be warranted but I remember how people talked about OJ Howard like he'd come into the league and be the next Gronk or Calvin J. Today, the top 3 TEs in the league are:

1]Travis Kelce. Drafted before him in 2013? Eifert, Ertz, Escobar, Vance Mac. Kelce was a 3rd rounder. 

2] Darren Waller. He was drafted as a WR by the Ravens. 14 TEs went before him including the Irish dynamos O'Shaugnessy and O'Leary. Waller was picked in the 6th round.

3] George Kittle. 8 guys picked before him inc. the supposed future HoF OJ Howard. Kittle was a 6th rounder.

 

 

Howard has been good, just a lot of injuries. 

 

Kelce likely dropped a bit due to the drug suspension in Cinci.

 

Waller was a WR in college, and came from wishbone O, so it's understandable he wasn't taken early. It also took a "journey" to find the spot he's currently in.

 

Kittle had low production in college.

 

As far as Pitts though, he'll be very good. He's more jumbo WR than TE. He needs to be used the right way though.

 

I do agree TEs can be found later in the draft. Small school underrated guys, jumbo WR conversions, guys from schools that simply don't use TEs a lot in the passing game, TEs who simply had bad QBs and suffered, etc.. TE use across the board varies a lot in college. It's one reason the position is a bit devalued along with so many guys coming from later rounds or even UDFAs. Heck, both our starters are UDFAs.

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On 4/19/2021 at 9:40 PM, BornHoosier said:

Doyle has always been a mixed bag of success to this team and it all comes down to QB play and if he can stay healthy.  With Luck, he just couldn't stay healthy and with JB/PR he just never got the chemistry together which is probably why he didn't end up on IR.  I totally got why they resigned him as our offense was dismal without him but without a dynamic QB lining up under center, Jack Doyle is a waisted asset just like TY.  In comes Wentz, a product of hitting the TE but will Jack Doyle be able to hold up to the work load or will he revert back to the days when he couldn't handle being the every day target?  History has the answers unfortunately.  

Wouldn't surprise if they went OT and TE with 1st 2 picks

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12 hours ago, Wentzszn said:

We need to give Patmon a shot at TE.

Nah. The bag on Patmon is that he doesn't play to his 6-4 size when playing WR. You can't have that TE.

Here's his NFL prospect profile. It's pretty consistent across the other grades. His coach even echoed the sentiment about not playing to his size.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dezmon-patmon/32005041-5416-2967-3c9d-d58aabb33560

 

Maybe if he gets a nastiness transfusion from Q, and picks up 20 lbs. 

 

In short, if he's stuck behind Pittman at X (and he is), I'd love to see him and Pittman on the field at the same time as X and big slot. Or maybe even give Patmon a shot at situational big-Z given his build up speed of 4.48. Reich has tried to turn speed/Z guys into possession guys, maybe he'll try to turn a possession guy into a speed/z guy this time lol. 

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