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Day 6:Top Options and final team need wish list:

 

QB:

1) Nick Mullens, San Francisco 49ers
2) Brian Hoyer, New England Patriots
3) Alex Smith, Washington Football Team
4) Joe Flacco, New York Jets
5) Chase Daniel, Detroit Lions
6) Robert Griffin III, Baltimore Ravens
7) C.J. Beathard, San Francisco 49ers
8) Blaine Gabbert, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
9) Colt McCoy, New York Giants
10) Matt Barkley, Buffalo Bills

11) Nate Sudfeld, Philadelphia Eagles

 

RB:

1) James Conner, Pittsburgh Steelers
2) Leonard Fournette, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3) Mike Davis, Carolina Panthers
4) James White, New England Patriots
5) Le’Veon Bell, Kansas City Chiefs
6) Todd Gurley, Atlanta Falcons
7) Damien Williams, Kansas City Chiefs
8) Duke Johnson, Houston Texans
9) Wayne Gallman, New York Giants
10) Brian Hill, Atlanta Falcons

 

WR:

1) T.Y. Hilton, Indianapolis Colts
2) Antonio Brown, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3) Sammy Watkins, Kansas City Chiefs
4) Josh Reynolds, Los Angeles Rams
5) Adam Humphries, Tennessee Titans
6) Demarcus Robinson, Kansas City Chiefs
7) DeSean Jackson, Philadelphia Eagles
8) Marquise Goodwin, San Francisco 49ers
9) Golden Tate, New York Giants
10) Chris Conley, Jacksonville Jaguars

 

TE:

1) Trey Burton, Indianapolis Colts
2) Tyler Eifert, Jacksonville Jaguars
3) Jordan Reed, San Francisco 49ers
4) Jesse James, Detroit Lions
5) Richard Rodgers, Philadelphia Eagles
6) Marcedes Lewis, Green Bay Packers
7) MyCole Pruitt, Tennessee Titans
8) Darren Fells, Houston Texans

 

* Zach Ertz via trade/or cut

 

OL:

1) Russell Okung, Carolina Panthers
2) Alejandro Villanueva, Pittsburgh Steelers
3) Kelechi Osemele, Kansas City Chiefs
4) Eric Fisher, Kansas City Chiefs
5) Austin Blythe, Los Angeles Rams
6) Mitchell Schwartz, Kansas City Chiefs
7) Austin Reiter, Kansas City Chiefs
8) Dennis Kelly, Tennessee Titans
9) Trai Turner, Los Angeles Chargers
10) D.J. Fluker, Baltimore Ravens

 

* Mike McGlinchey via trade

 

Defensive Players:

1) Adoree Jackson, CB, Tennessee Titans
2) Darious Williams, CB, Los Angeles Rams (RFA) — received first-round RFA tender from the LA Rams.
3) J.C. Jackson, CB, New England Patriots (RFA) — received a second-round RFA tender from New England.
4) Geno Atkins, DT, Cincinnati Bengals
5) Jadeveon Clowney, EDGE, Tennessee Titans
6) Richard Sherman, CB, San Francisco 49ers
7) Brian Poole, CB, New York Jets
8) Olivier Vernon, EDGE, Cleveland Browns
9) K’Wuan Williams, CB, San Francisco 49ers
10) Melvin Ingram, EDGE, Los Angeles Chargers
11) Quinton Dunbar, CB, Seattle Seahawks
12) Bashaud Breeland, CB, Kansas City Chiefs
13) Mackensie Alexander, CB, Cincinnati Bengals
14) Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers
15) A.J. Bouye, CB, Denver Broncos

16) Justin Houston, EDGE, Indianapolis Colts

17) Al-Quadin Muhammed, EDGE, Indianapolis Colts

18) Tanoh Kpassagnon, EDGE, Kansas City Chiefs

 

 

Majority of list accumulated from:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/top-2021-nfl-free-agents-each-position/

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Offseason Summation:(To this point)   Our own guys: Pascal Cox Odum Mack Rhodes Stallworth Dulin   Covid returns: Tell III Milligan

Offseason Summation:(To this point)

 

Our own guys:

Pascal

Cox

Odum

Mack

Rhodes

Stallworth

Dulin

 

Covid returns:

Tell III

Milligan

Moore

 

Other team FAs:

Isaac Rochell(RFA doesn't count against comp pick formula)

Andrew Brown - waiver claim

 

Trades:

Carson Wentz(restructured roster bonus)

 

 

Comp picks:(subject to change)

Autry - 5th

Brissett - 6th

Walker - 6th

 

Hopefully bring TY and Houston back. 

Need to get Leonard and Smith extended

 

Remaining Cap Space:(estimate)

$36-$38m

 

Team Biggest Remaining Needs:

DE

LT

WR

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I’m going to float a name for consideration.  A name I never EVER would have come up with on my own.  I mention this name cause I read it somewhere recently.

 

Frank reportedly likes the Eagles former backup QB, Nate Sudfeld.   Thinks he’d be an acceptable backup to Wentz,  plus be very inexpensive.  
 

For what little it may be worth. 

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13 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I’m going to float a name for consideration.  A name I never EVER would have come up with on my own.  I mention this name cause I read it somewhere recently.

 

Frank reportedly likes the Eagles former backup QB, Nate Sudfeld.   Thinks he’d be an acceptable backup to Wentz,  plus be very inexpensive.  
 

For what little it may be worth. 

Any other names I should put on the list?

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A name that could fit well with our zone scheme is Kevin King. He wasn’t terrible for Green Bay but had a bad game in the NFC Championship. Still he has talent and is a long and tall guy with enough speed to work the zone scheme. 

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42 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I’m going to float a name for consideration.  A name I never EVER would have come up with on my own.  I mention this name cause I read it somewhere recently.

 

Frank reportedly likes the Eagles former backup QB, Nate Sudfeld.   Thinks he’d be an acceptable backup to Wentz,  plus be very inexpensive.  
 

For what little it may be worth. 

I believe the colts have inquired about Suds in the past....possibly the year of one of the JB debacles.

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1 hour ago, DaColts85 said:

A name that could fit well with our zone scheme is Kevin King. He wasn’t terrible for Green Bay but had a bad game in the NFC Championship. Still he has talent and is a long and tall guy with enough speed to work the zone scheme. 

King was absolutely abused in NFC Championship Game. Might of been the main reason GB missed out on SB.

 

 

Saying that. I don't see us bringing in anymore FA CBs. With Tell III coming back and Rhodes back in the fold, I think CB is down the list of needs. I could see a CB of the future drafted though.

 

57 minutes ago, BluesGirl said:

Kpassagnon.  only because we have heard mention of him to the Colts

Yeah I was going to add him. Was going to check on spelling of his name first. Haven't made it there yet.

 

57 minutes ago, Zoltan said:

I would love for the colts to sign Josh Reynolds but I think we will only see resigns until after the draft.

I agree, tough to see Ballard jeopardizing 3 potential comp picks.

 

Although if some players were cut, they could be brought in.

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Mike McGlinchey.  Nothing has happened yet of course but we apparently made a call.  They still have to make a 5th yr option decision.  Long way to go to the draft so to me he's a potential just like Ertz.  

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Just now, richard pallo said:

Mike McGlinchey.  Nothing has happened yet of course but we apparently made a call.  They still have to make a 5th yr option decision.  Long way to go to the draft so to me he's a potential just like Ertz.  

I wonder if this could be the signing that Keefer is referring to?   

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4 minutes ago, BluesGirl said:

I wonder if this could be the signing that Keefer is referring to?   

It would have to be a trade for him, so probably not.

 

I am curious to get this answer though

 

3 minutes ago, Indycrazy1287 said:

Saw on the NFL rumors twitter we have some interest in Mitchell Schwartz. Im not sure how that would affect our line cuz if im not mistaken hes a RT correct?

Lumping these 2 post together because Schwartz was rumored to be retiring because of back injuries.

 

Saying that, I believe Keefer said the hold uo on the OL was waiting for a physical, so it might has some connection.

 

 

Also, yeah I think Schwartz has mainly been a RT, maybe it means they are serious about moving Smith to LT?

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18 minutes ago, w87r said:

It would have to be a trade for him, so probably not.

 

I am curious to get this answer though

 

Lumping these 2 post together because Schwartz was rumored to be retiring because of back injuries.

 

Saying that, I believe Keefer said the hold uo on the OL was waiting for a physical, so it might has some connection.

 

 

Also, yeah I think Schwartz has mainly been a RT, maybe it means they are serious about moving Smith to LT?

Could also be Fisher???

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8 minutes ago, BluesGirl said:

Could also be Fisher???

I personally don't see Fisher as the option.

 

I don't think he will be ready till late October early November?

 

Could be though, I suppose? Would make sense on the physical holding it up,  because it would be a while before they knkw how recovery is going? 

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I would like to bring in swing OT Dennis Kelly from the Titans. He played really well starting at RT for them and also has LT experience. Wouldn’t cost much.

 

I also like edge rushers Clowney and Tanoh K if the cost is cheap. 
 

We need to bring back Hilton on a cheaper deal also. Having only Pittman and Pascal that you can depend on is not enough. 

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2 hours ago, BluesGirl said:

I wonder if this could be the signing that Keefer is referring to?   


I get the sense that the mystery OT signing is a significant move. Not just some depth piece. Otherwise I don’t understand the need to keep it a secret, other that the agent requests it

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QB:

1) Nick Mullens, San Francisco 49ers
2) Brian Hoyer, New England Patriots
3) Alex Smith, Washington Football Team
4) Joe Flacco, New York Jets
5) Chase Daniel, Detroit Lions
6) Robert Griffin III, Baltimore Ravens
7) C.J. Beathard, San Francisco 49ers- 2 years 6 million total
8) Blaine Gabbert, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
9) Colt McCoy, New York Giants
10) Matt Barkley, Buffalo Bills

11) Nate Sudfeld, Philadelphia Eagles

 

RB:  NONE

1) James Conner, Pittsburgh Steelers
2) Leonard Fournette, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3) Mike Davis, Carolina Panthers
4) James White, New England Patriots
5) Le’Veon Bell, Kansas City Chiefs
6) Todd Gurley, Atlanta Falcons
7) Damien Williams, Kansas City Chiefs
8) Duke Johnson, Houston Texans
9) Wayne Gallman, New York Giants
10) Brian Hill, Atlanta Falcons

 

WR:

1) T.Y. Hilton, Indianapolis Colts- #1 option. 1 year 7-8 million.
2) Antonio Brown, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3) Sammy Watkins, Kansas City Chiefs-#2 option. 1 year 6 million
4) Josh Reynolds, Los Angeles Rams
5) Adam Humphries, Tennessee Titans
6) Demarcus Robinson, Kansas City Chiefs
7) DeSean Jackson, Philadelphia Eagles- #3 option, 1 year 5 million
8) Marquise Goodwin, San Francisco 49ers
9) Golden Tate, New York Giants
10) Chris Conley, Jacksonville Jaguars

 

TE:

1) Trey Burton, Indianapolis Colts
2) Tyler Eifert, Jacksonville Jaguars
3) Jordan Reed, San Francisco 49ers
4) Jesse James, Detroit Lions
5) Richard Rodgers, Philadelphia Eagles
6) Marcedes Lewis, Green Bay Packers
7) MyCole Pruitt, Tennessee Titans
8) Darren Fells, Houston Texans

 

* Zach Ertz via trade/or cut- Best option if cut. 2 years 16 million.

 

OL:

1) Russell Okung, Carolina Panthers
2) Alejandro Villanueva, Pittsburgh Steelers
3) Kelechi Osemele, Kansas City Chiefs
4) Eric Fisher, Kansas City Chiefs
5) Austin Blythe, Los Angeles Rams
6) Mitchell Schwartz, Kansas City Chiefs
7) Austin Reiter, Kansas City Chiefs
8) Dennis Kelly, Tennessee Titans
9) Trai Turner, Los Angeles Chargers- Good back up option. 1 year 4 million
10) D.J. Fluker, Baltimore Ravens

 

* Mike McGlinchey via trade

 

Defensive Players:

1) Adoree Jackson, CB, Tennessee Titans- Good corner, better return man. 1 year 5-7 million
2) Darious Williams, CB, Los Angeles Rams (RFA) — received first-round RFA tender from the LA Rams.
3) J.C. Jackson, CB, New England Patriots (RFA) — received a second-round RFA tender from New England.-#1 option, give up the 2nd round pick. He can be very special. 4 years 30 million.
4) Geno Atkins, DT, Cincinnati Bengals
5) Jadeveon Clowney, EDGE, Tennessee Titans
6) Richard Sherman, CB, San Francisco 49ers
7) Brian Poole, CB, New York Jets
8) Olivier Vernon, EDGE, Cleveland Browns
9) K’Wuan Williams, CB, San Francisco 49ers
10) Melvin Ingram, EDGE, Los Angeles Chargers
11) Quinton Dunbar, CB, Seattle Seahawks
12) Bashaud Breeland, CB, Kansas City Chiefs
13) Mackensie Alexander, CB, Cincinnati Bengals
14) Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers
15) A.J. Bouye, CB, Denver Broncos

16) Justin Houston, EDGE, Indianapolis Colts- Out of this list, sign our own.. 1 year 8 million.

17) Al-Quadin Muhammed, EDGE, Indianapolis Colts

18) Tanoh Kpassagnon, EDGE, Kansas City Chiefs

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2 hours ago, BluesGirl said:

I wonder if this could be the signing that Keefer is referring to?   

I don’t think it is.   Keeper is saying we’ve signed a back up free agent OT.   McGlinchey is neither a free agent, nor a backup. 

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4 hours ago, w87r said:

Offseason Summation:(To this point)

 

Our own guys:

Pascal

Cox

Odum

Mack

Rhodes

Stallworth

Dulin

 

Covid returns:

Tell III

Milligan

Moore

 

Other team FAs:

Isaac Rochell(RFA doesn't count against comp pick formula)

Andrew Brown - waiver claim

 

Trades:

Carson Wentz(restructured roster bonus)

 

 

Comp picks:(subject to change)

Autry - 5th

Brissett - 6th

Walker - 6th

 

Hopefully bring TY and Houston back. 

Need to get Leonard and Smith extended

 

Remaining Cap Space:(estimate)

$36-$38m

 

Team Biggest Remaining Needs:

DE

LT

WR

A question for you about our 3 covid returns....   last year, their salaries were converted down to $150k.   Now they’re back up to about 650k each.   That’s $1.5m total. 
 

Any chance that’s involved in any math Discrepancies with OTC, Spotrac, or yourself?     Just thinking out loud... 

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2 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

We do need a backup LT so checking him out makes sense.   I still have a feeling a McGlinchey trade is on the table and makes a lot of sense for both teams.  From what I am reading they are very hesitant about paying the 5th year option.  So if they want to get max value this is the time to do it.  I also think they are interested in trading for Watson, whom I believe will be traded.  They could use our pick to help get Watson or they could also use it to move further up and draft a QB.  Now it might just come down to dollars and moving him before they have to exercise might be the smart thing to do.  In fact it is the smart thing to do IMO.  And here we sit with the need and the draft picks and the cap space.  For me he would be our 1st option and pair him up with Q again.  He is a far less riskier option than drafting and starting a rookie LT.  But it takes two to make a trade so we shall see.  In the meantime sign TY and Houston back please.  

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1 minute ago, craigerb said:

I would like Marcus Johnson to try out.

 

Didn't he sign with the titans?

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17 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

A question for you about our 3 covid returns....   last year, their salaries were converted down to $150k.   Now they’re back up to about 650k each.   That’s $1.5m total. 
 

Any chance that’s involved in any math Discrepancies with OTC, Spotrac, or yourself?     Just thinking out loud... 

 

No, both have their cap hits the same.

 

My take on this is, it really is inconsequential.

 

Not sure where your $1.5m comes from?

 

I think at most, currently it would be a difference of $300k as Milligan is below the top 51 cap hits and not reflective on current space.

 

Worst case scenario is $450k difference.

 

Might not be any at all, the $150k was salary advance so cap hit may stay in year it was advanced from?  Not 100% sure though to be honest. I think teams had choices on if they wanted the $150k to count against 2020 or 2021 cap. From what I see it didn't count against 2020 cap.?

 

What say you @Superman

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Didn't he sign with the titans?

Yes

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4 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

No, both have their cap hits the same.

 

My take on this is, it really is inconsequential.

 

Not sure where your $1.5m comes from?

 

I think at most, currently it would be a difference of $300k as Milligan is below the top 51 cap hits and not reflective on current space.

 

Worst case scenario is $450k difference.

 

Might not be any at all, the $150k was salary advance so cap hit may stay in year it was advanced from?  Not 100% sure though to be honest. I think teams had choices on if they wanted the $150k to count against 2020 or 2021 cap. From what I see it didn't count against 2020 cap.?

 

What say you @Superman

Yes

The $1.5 was 3 salaries that were $150k or $450k total and are now roughly $650k each or $1.95m.   The difference is $1.5m. 
 

But I always forget the top-51 rule.   I always trip over that one.   But, either way,  it sounds like no is the answer I’m getting. 

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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

The $1.5 was 3 salaries that were $150k or $450k total and are now roughly $650k each or $1.95m.

I just don't know what you are talking about here?

 

The players 2021 cap numbers are already figured into 2021 cap space right now.

 

 

If anything is different, it is the $450k number. There is no $1.5m or $650k per?

 

 

Tell III $862k

Moore $850k

Milligan $780k

 

So if they take the $150k out of each it would be

 

Tell III $712k

Moore $700k

Milligan $630k

 

That's either $2.492m

 

Or 

 

$2.042m

 

 

And again these are already taken into consideration in our current cap situation.

 

If there is any discrepancy it would be of $450k at most, but $300k against top 51.

 

 

As far as the discrepancy between spotrac and OtC? They are around $2.3m in difference.

 

OtC:$35.87

Spotrac:$38.14m

 

OtC has Glowinski making $7.55m

Spotrac has Glowinski making $6.65m

 

There is 900k

 

OTC has Moore II making $6.4m

Spotrac has Moore II making $5.65m

 

That is another $750k

 

Totaling $1.65m

 

OTC has Doyle making $5.85

Spotrac has Doyle Making $5,787,500

 

Another $62,500

 

Small difference on Leonard

 

For some reason Spotrac has Tremon Smith $1,025,000 on the cap(he plays for Texans)

 

OtC has Okereke making $32,000 more than Spotrac

 

OtC has Stallworth $920k listed, Spotrac doesn't have him at all right now.

 

OTC has Dulin $850k listed, Spotrac doesn't have him listed at all.

 

OtC has 73 players listed on roster

Spotrac has 72 players listed

 

But we have went through now and need to subtract 1 from Spotrac with Tremon Smith listed above. Gets them to 71 players add in Stallworth and Dulin and you get to the 73 players that OtC has listed.

 

That $750k difference + the smaller discrepancies in the thousand gets you back to the $2.3m(ish) difference between the 2 sites. 

 

Stallworth + Dulin($1.77m) - Tremon Smith ($1.025m) = $745k

 

+ $1.65m(Moore II/Glowinski differnce)

 

= $2.4m

 

Saying all that, I would go with the OtC number right now.

 

$35.87m cap space

 

No Rhodes deal listed (-$5.72m)

No Wentz restructure (+$5m)

 

 

So I would say we are sitting at $35m

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10 minutes ago, w87r said:

I just don't know what you are talking about here?

 

The players 2021 cap numbers are already figures into 2021 cap space right now.

 

 

If anything is different, it is the $450k number. There is no $1.5m or $650k per?

 

 

Tell III $862k

Moore $850k

Milligan $780k

 

So of they take the $150k out of each it would be

 

Tell III $712k

Moore $700k

Milligan $630k

 

That's either $2.492m

 

Or 

 

$2.042m

 

 

And again these are already taken into consideration in our current cap situation.

 

If there is any discrepancy it would be of $450k at most, but $300k against top 51.

 

 

As far as the discrepancy between spotrac and OtC? They are around $2.2m in difference.

 

OtC:$35.87

Spotrac:$38.14m

 

OtC has Glowinski making $7.55m

Spotrac has Glowinski making $6.65m

 

There is 900k

 

OTC has Moore II making $6.4m

Spotrac has Moore II making $5.65m

 

That is another $750k

 

Totaling $1.65m

 

OTC has Doyle making $5.85

Spotrac has Doyle Making $5,787,500

 

Another $62,500

 

Small difference on Leonard

 

For some reason Spotrac has Tremon Smith $1,025,000 on the cap(he plays for Texans)

 

OtC has Okereke making $32,000 more than Spotrac

 

OtC has Stallworth $920k listed, Spotrac doesn't have him at all right now.

 

OTC has Dulin $850k listed, Spotrac doesn't have him listed at all.

 

OtC has 73 players listed on roster

Spotrac has 72 players listed

 

But we have went through now and need to subtract 1 from Spotrac with Tremon Smith listed above. Gets them to 71 players add in Stallworth and Dulin and you get to the 73 players that OtC has listed.

 

 

Saying all that, I would go with the OtC number right now.

 

$35.87m cap space

 

No Rhodes deal listed (-$5.72m)

No Wentz restructure (+$5m)

 

 

So I would say we are setting at $35m


I guess I should have known you had already broken this down into such detail, but Holy Cow!    That was really something!   Hope you did that for your sake and not for my sake?! 
 

I am definitely NOT worthy!      :worthy:

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1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:


I guess I should have known you had already broken this down into such detail, but Holy Cow!    That was really something!   Hope you did that for your sake and not for my sake?! 
 

I am definitely NOT worthy!      :worthy:

Tbh, I literally just ran through them side by side right now and figured out the difference.

 

It had been bugging me anyway, as to why there was one in first place. I already stumbled across the Leonard, Smith and Hines differences earlier in offseason(which has been fixed already)

 

So I did it for you, but for myself as well, a little selfishly. 

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OtC has Glowinski making $7.55m

Spotrac has Glowinski making $6.65m

 

OTC has Doyle making $5.85

Spotrac has Doyle Making $5,787,500

 

Either way, that's WAY too much for either. We could have had Arnold for much less, and there's much better options at OG for the same or less..

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8 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

This makes sense...   a good fit as Rankins is  a 3-4 DL.   Love the player but I didn’t see the scheme fit with the Colts. 
 

Speaking of which...   I was a little surprised that Haason Riddick signed with Carolina.  (I get the connection with Matt Ruhle who coached him in college).   But I thought HR was a 3-4 OLB.   That’s what he did with Arizona.

 

But Carolina plays a 4-3, so I thought he might struggle with that scheme.  I’ll be keeping an eye on that as the 22 season plays out...

 

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25 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

This makes sense...   a good fit as Rankins is  a 3-4 DL.   Love the player but I didn’t see the scheme fit with the Colts. 
 

Speaking of which...   I was a little surprised that Haason Riddick signed with Carolina.  (I get the connection with Matt Ruhle who coached him in college).   But I thought HR was a 3-4 OLB.   That’s what he did with Arizona.

 

But Carolina plays a 4-3, so I thought he might struggle with that scheme.  I’ll be keeping an eye on that as the 22 season plays out...

 

Riddick seems to be in line to play OLB in Carolina 4-3 scheme

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/21/haason-reddick-embraces-the-chance-to-play-outside-linebacker/

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3 minutes ago, w87r said:

Yes...  I know.    I just didn’t think of him as a natural 4-3 OLB.   I thought he was more a 3-4 player.   Hey, props to him if he can do both.   More power to him.   I don’t think most LBers can play in both systems.  Good for him if he can. 

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10 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Yes...  I know.    I just didn’t think of him as a natural 4-3 OLB.   I thought he was more a 3-4 player.   Hey, props to him if he can do both.   More power to him.   I don’t think most LBers can play in both systems.  Good for him if he can. 

Was thinking you were thinking he was going to be lining up at DE.

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