Pascal gets second round tender

[BlueShoe]

Pascal will get 3.38 million for 2021 from the Colts, if no other team signs him (which rarely if ever happens). 
 

Pascal is not the speediest receiver, but he is an elite route runner. Glad to have him back. He is a piece of the puzzle that we need. 
 

If another team signs Pascal then we will receive a second round pick. 

[GoColts8818]

Vastly underrated player the Colts.  All he does is make two or three plays a game.  

[BlueShoe]

3 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Vastly underrated player the Colts.  All he does is make two or three plays a game.  

I agree completely. Often times (we) fans can be so focused on the standout players that the important role players are overlooked. Pascal is a big time role player for us. 

[holeymoley99]

No one is signing him for a 2nd rounder so he is back, agree with what is aid solid piece. Think T.Y. may be gone now.

[Dogg63]

Glad we tendered him, hope he stays!

Enjoy some Best of ZP 2020 plays

 

[coming on strong]

1 hour ago, BlueShoe said:

Pascal will get 3.38 million for 2021 from the Colts, if no other team signs him (which rarely if ever happens). 
 

Pascal is not the speediest receiver, but he is an elite route runner. Glad to have him back. He is a piece of the puzzle that we need. 
 

If another team signs Pascal then we will receive a second round pick. 

i like pascal as a good depth player 4th on the depth chart .   i rather get a second rounder for him and draft a wr

[EastStreet]

Great blocker and great route runner. Not elite size or speed, but a great 4-6 WR. 

Can't ask for a better depth WR who can back up X and play big slot. 

 

If someone poaches him and we get a 2nd, that's OK too. Hope he stays though.

[superrep1967]

2 hours ago, holeymoley99 said:

No one is signing him for a 2nd rounder so he is back, agree with what is aid solid piece. Think T.Y. may be gone now.

Yes, TY all though not officially yet but he's gone. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 hours ago, coming on strong said:

i like pascal as a good depth player 4th on the depth chart .   i rather get a second rounder for him and draft a wr

I would take a proven WR then a unproven second round pick. Pascal has averaged over 600 yards the last two seasons.

[AKB]

that block at the end. love it

1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:

I would take a proven WR then a unproven second round pick. Pascal has averaged over 600 yards the last two seasons.

nah.

[Btown_Colt]

2 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

I would take a proven WR then a unproven second round pick. Pascal has averaged over 600 yards the last two seasons.

I’d trade you Pascal every year for a 2nd round pick.

[EastStreet]

2 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

I would take a proven WR then a unproven second round pick. Pascal has averaged over 600 yards the last two seasons.

Pascal is a great role player, he's just not a dynamic guy you need to be at the #1 or #2 WR spot. He's had to be a #2 the past couple years out of necessity. And since we now have Pittman at X, Pascal's production will likely shift to situational big slot duty. He was integral to the team when we didn't have a true X, but now we do. 

 

At this point, a 2nd round slot or Z (the draft is deep with them) is one of the bigger needs for us. And second round WRs (actually 2nd through 4th) have an average AV that is not all that much lower than 1st round WRs. 1R WRs typically are skewed by the top 10 guys, so remove them, and it gets even closer in AV.

 

So in short, Pascal is more or less demoted anyway by the rise of Pittman, and will be further shelved if Campbell stays healthy at slot. The need for a productive Z/slot is now greater than the need for a #4 WR. 

[holeymoley99]

10 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

I would take a proven WR then a unproven second round pick. Pascal has averaged over 600 yards the last two seasons.

Those are NOT very good 2nd round draft pick numbers so hard NO.

[Myles]

I'm happy we are keeping him.   No one will give us a 2nd round pick for him.  I would take a 2nd for him but not by as wide of a margin as some in here sound like they are saying.  I was looking at 2nd round receivers taken in recent drafts and some are better but many are not.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

10 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Pascal is a great role player, he's just not a dynamic guy you need to be at the #1 or #2 WR spot. He's had to be a #2 the past couple years out of necessity. And since we now have Pittman at X, Pascal's production will likely shift to situational big slot duty. He was integral to the team when we didn't have a true X, but now we do. 

 

At this point, a 2nd round slot or Z (the draft is deep with them) is one of the bigger needs for us. And second round WRs (actually 2nd through 4th) have an average AV that is not all that much lower than 1st round WRs. 1R WRs typically are skewed by the top 10 guys, so remove them, and it gets even closer in AV.

 

So in short, Pascal is more or less demoted anyway by the rise of Pittman, and will be further shelved if Campbell stays healthy at slot. The need for a productive Z/slot is now greater than the need for a #4 WR. 

There is no guarantee Ballard is taking a WR with that pick. We could get another Banagu, Rock or Wilson. I will stick with the proven guy.

[Mackrel829]

21 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

Pascal will get 3.38 million for 2021 from the Colts, if no other team signs him (which rarely if ever happens). 
 

Pascal is not the speediest receiver, but he is an elite route runner. Glad to have him back. He is a piece of the puzzle that we need. 
 

If another team signs Pascal then we will receive a second round pick. 

 

Elite is probably a bit much lol. He's super solid at basically everything and I'm glad he's back though!

[BlueShoe]

2 hours ago, Mackrel829 said:

 

Elite is probably a bit much lol. He's super solid at basically everything and I'm glad he's back though!

There is no doubt that Pascal is an ELITE route runner. 

[EastStreet]

8 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

There is no guarantee Ballard is taking a WR with that pick. We could get another Banagu, Rock or Wilson. I will stick with the proven guy.

Nobody is saying is saying we'll use that pick. The topic is comparable value. 

[Mackrel829]

10 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

There is no doubt that Pascal is an ELITE route runner. 

 

I'm not really here to argue and be negative but elite means top 5-6 in the league. Pascal isn't one of the best route runners in the league. If TY comes back, he's not even the best route runners on the team.

 

As I said, he's solid at basically everything, and I'm very glad he's back. Not every player has to be elite.

[BlueShoe]

3 hours ago, Mackrel829 said:

 

I'm not really here to argue and be negative but elite means top 5-6 in the league. Pascal isn't one of the best route runners in the league. If TY comes back, he's not even the best route runners on the team.

 

As I said, he's solid at basically everything, and I'm very glad he's back. Not every player has to be elite.

We don’t need to argue a comprehension issue. 
 

I didn’t say that Pascal was an ELITE receiver. I said his route running is ELITE. Overall he is a very good role playing receiver. He is not a quick or fast receiver. He has above average hands, he is above average getting 50/50 balls, and a really good blocker. Overall he is a good receiver. His route running is undeniably ELITE. 

[Mackrel829]

2 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

We don’t need to argue a comprehension issue. 
 

I didn’t say that Pascal was an ELITE receiver. I said his route running is ELITE. Overall he is a very good role playing receiver. He is not a quick or fast receiver. He has above average hands, he is above average getting 50/50 balls, and a really good blocker. Overall he is a good receiver. His route running is undeniably ELITE. 

 

If there's a comprehension issue at hand, it's entirely on your part. I referred explicitly to his route running.

 

To say that Pascal is an elite route runner is to say that he is one of the 5-6 best route runners in the entire NFL. That statement is not even close to being 'undeniable'.

 

Just off the top of my head:

 

- Stefon Diggs

- Antonio Brown

- Michael Thomas

- Keenan Allen

- DeAndre Hopkins

- Odell Beckam

 

Pascal is already out of the top 5-6.

 

- Adam Thielen

- Amari Cooper

- TY Hilton

- Jarvis Landry

 

He doesn't even make the top 10.

[BlueShoe]

3 hours ago, Mackrel829 said:

 

If there's a comprehension issue at hand, it's entirely on your part. I referred explicitly to his route running.

 

To say that Pascal is an elite route runner is to say that he is one of the 5-6 best route runners in the entire NFL. That statement is not even close to being 'undeniable'.

 

Just off the top of my head:

 

- Stefon Diggs

- Antonio Brown

- Michael Thomas

- Keenan Allen

- DeAndre Hopkins

- Odell Beckam

 

Pascal is already out of the top 5-6.

 

- Adam Thielen

- Amari Cooper

- TY Hilton

- Jarvis Landry

 

He doesn't even make the top 10.

 

Just going to drop this for you...

 

This is me dropping the mic and walking away. You can keep talking all you want about it though.

 

 

[JediXMan]

Zach Pascal has grown on me the past few seasons. He’s a good route runner and and has great hands. He isn’t the fastest or has high verticals but that’s not his game. Solid possession WR.

[Mackrel829]

37 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Just going to drop this for you...

 

This is me dropping the mic and walking away. You can keep talking all you want about it though.

 

 

 

Haha so because HIS OWN COACH said he ran a perfect route on ONE PLAY, it's 'undeniable' that's he's a top 5 route runner in the league? 

 

This has been a bizarre conversation from start to finish. Cool highlight though. Cheers!

[BlueShoe]

4 hours ago, Mackrel829 said:

 

Haha so because HIS OWN COACH said he ran a perfect route on ONE PLAY, it's 'undeniable' that's he's a top 5 route runner in the league? 

 

This has been a bizarre conversation from start to finish. Cool highlight though. Cheers!

Its obvious that you haven’t paid attention, and you don’t have an eye for these things. I’ve watched a lot of tape on Pascal, and I am convinced he is the best route runner the Colts have rostered since Reggie Wayne. Yes that means I am saying that Pascal is a better route runner than TY. It’s not just me who praises Pascal for his route running either. His route running has been featured in many reviews (including Baldy), and the announcers have also praised his route running several times. PFF even calls him an underrated receiver who is overlooked. But I am not going to do the work for you. It’s not worth my time. Have a good day and Go Colts!!!