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This is what I've been saying all along. Griffin just has the type of personality IMO that will lead him to becoming an arrogant jerk with success. Like I said this is my opinion but if people really pay attention, I think it is quite obvious.

I could not disagree more. I just think he is much more outgoing than someone like Luck. Doubt very much that him celebrating a championship win is evidence of him becoming an arrogant jerk.

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Decent article on NFL.com talking about why RG3 turned down the workout.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8280ff92/article/rg3-grabs-control-of-destiny-by-declining-colts-workout-request?module=HP11_content_stream

But, we're not alone in questioning RG3's attitude and competitiveness:

Griffin's decision did raise the eyebrows of one high-ranking AFC talent evaluator who believes the move showed Griffin's ego. He wondered if Luck would have done everything he could to fight to be the No. 1 pick.

"Griffin knows that Luck is going first, but a competitor would take the workout and try to put himself in the mix for No. 1," said the personnel chief, who requested anonymity.

Luck did say on his pro day, after all, "Obviously you want to go No. 1. Who wouldn't want to go No. 1?" Apparently, Griffin doesn't mind. On the other hand, if Griffin knows it is a waste of his time, why appease the Colts just to be nice? It is a business.

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Fans who are upset at Irsay for not coming out and telling you who is going to be the selection...get over it. No owner has ever had to tell their fanbase who their selection is going to be in an upcoming draft. We may have been spoiled by the presence of one of the most consistent QB's in league history for over a decade, but Mr Irsay does not owe the fans anything regarding intent prior to the draft. It is his responsibility to the fans to provide the best product that he can. It is a smart business decision to keep that information in house, period. The reasons why have been discussed ad nauseum.

If he was to announce that he was taking Luck and sign him 2 weeks early,l I would be ticked and would consider him bereft of his faculties.

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Fans who are upset at Irsay for not coming out and telling you who is going to be the selection...get over it. No owner has ever had to tell their fanbase who their selection is going to be in an upcoming draft. We may have been spoiled by the presence of one of the most consistent QB's in league history for over a decade, but Mr Irsay does not owe the fans anything regarding intent prior to the draft. It is his responsibility to the fans to provide the best product that he can. It is a smart business decision to keep that information in house, period. The reasons why have been discussed ad nauseum.

If he was to announce that he was taking Luck and sign him 2 weeks early,l I would be ticked and would consider him bereft of his faculties.

Couldn't disagree with you more. They're in the entertainment business and I assure you if season ticket money was due May 1st instead of Mar 1st, they wouldn't be veiled in so much secrecy. I do agree you don't let your fan base decide key decisions for you but in this case, this team and it's fans have gone through a massive change. You don't insult them to the point that you play head games with them and not give them some public feedback. That was the Polian mentality. I thought Jim wanted to change that.

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Couldn't disagree with you more. They're in the entertainment business and I assure you if season ticket money was due May 1st instead of Mar 1st, they wouldn't be veiled in so much secrecy. I do agree you don't let your fan base decide key decisions for you but in this case, this team and it's fans have gone through a massive change. You don't insult them to the point that you play head games with them and not give them some public feedback. That was the Polian mentality. I thought Jim wanted to change that.

So are you a ticket holder who feels cheated because of the release of information in relation to ticket renewels? If so, that has absolutely nothing to do with the owner stating which selection he is taking in an upcoming draft. Fans pay for the right to attend games, IF they feel that the product is not worth the price of admission, they can stop paying. Season tickets can be sold, even if they were recently purchased. No fan of any team is owed anything in the future because of the expectations of the past. That would be similar to investing in IBM stock because it has been quality and stable and then pointing fingers if it doesn't perform. It is a risk investment, regardless if it is a commodity or it is entertainment. Last year fans were given a less than expected level of entertainment. However, for over ten years before that, they were given a much higher level of entertainment than the vast majority of fans around the league for what they paid. Colt fans have been very fortunate.

One more thing, the entertainment is on the field, not in offseason information. Why dont we give the new team a chance before we judge if they are entertaining or not.

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A few days before Peyton was released, Mike Chappell reported to ESPN or The NFL network(s) that one of the reason(s) Peyton Manning was being released was due to the Colts drafting Andrew Luck. Who are we to believe now? There is way toooo much drama being created around this draft and it is best just to ignore all of the hype until The Colts announce they are drafting, you guessed it, Mr. Luck!

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Couldn't disagree with you more. They're in the entertainment business and I assure you if season ticket money was due May 1st instead of Mar 1st, they wouldn't be veiled in so much secrecy. I do agree you don't let your fan base decide key decisions for you but in this case, this team and it's fans have gone through a massive change. You don't insult them to the point that you play head games with them and not give them some public feedback. That was the Polian mentality. I thought Jim wanted to change that.

I guess I dont understand the insulted angle to fan experience.

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I guess I dont understand the insulted angle to fan experience.

I agree. Nike did not ask if fans liked the uniforms before they put them out yesterday. They waited until the last minute and unveiled them. Some fans will like them and some will not. Jim Irsay will run his business the same way. He does not have to tell fans anything until the time he sees fit.

I would do the same if it was my business. He knows he will never please everyone and will do what he sees best for the Colts going forward. Why announce we are taking Luck 3 weeks before the draft and then sign him and God forbid something happens to Luck? Then we have no Luck and the first round pick is gone. I would wait until the last possible moment to announce it as well just in case IMO.

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Anybody who's been paying attention to the NFL knows who Irsay's boy is ..."Luck"... He never even showed any real interest publicly about Robert Griffgin 3rd. What's the point of putting on a song and dance for the Colts when you and the free world knows who Irsay wants? Just so Irsay can lie and say he gave both of them a fair look?.. Please. RG3's agent is looking for the best fit for him. Possibly injuring himself by tap dancing for a team that's rebuilding from ground zero.. and is already set on another guy is not in his best interest.

Will Luck or Griffin be bust or will one stand out?... We will all just have to wait and see. Both are very talented.

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Teams have negotiated with multiple players before to use each one against the other to give them some leverage to say hey if you do not want to take what we want we will take this other guy and you will miss out on first overall money. They are probably just using RG3 as a way to say Luck well you need to take the lowest you can or we will just take RG3. I just do not believe for one second that Irsay and them have not all ready made up their mind.

The money is set by the CBA. The only thing to really negotiate is the amount of guaranteed money, and that's been established with the signings of last year's draft picks. Everything is slotted now.

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I think your 100% wrong here. I met the guy at the Chantilly show and he was the most humble athlete I have ever met fame is not getting in his head at all. The whole thing about him turning you guys down has been completely fabricated. Irsay made it seem like he asked yesterday and was given a "NO" for an answer. When infact before his proday he told every team he was not doing private workouts at anytime. He wanted as many scouts at the proday as possible and he is keeping his word. I think this whole thing is Irsay getting over on you Colts fans he now has a built in excuse if Luck bombs and is a bust. If hes a bust Irsay can tell you guys hey we had to draft Luck because RG3 didnt want to play here. He is dooping you guys. RG3 is known for his good character it's always yes sir no sir he graduated from highschool and college early and with honors. And to insinuate he is like Ryan Leaf is insane. Ryan Leaf was an immature headcase there is no comparison that statement was actually pretty ignorant.

I feel where you're coming from, but I had this thought in my head even before this. I have nothing against RG3. Only reason why I even mentioned Ryan Leaf is to bring up how the fame affected both, and I clearly said "STARTING TO", not "IS". I have my thoughts about him because I have read his interviews, analyzed how he acts in public sometimes, etc. To me, he likes the spotlight even though he is humble. But like one person above me said, he is still a kid at heart. I am not saying these because "Irsay says so" or "I am a delusional Colts fan who will make stuff up in order to seem right". I am pretty sure he is a nice guy. Doesn't mean he won't have a cocky attitude. Maybe the Ryan Leaf reference rubbed you wrong.

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I hope Luck chooses not to follow Griffin onto Twitter, only bad things can come from that.

From some of the reports I have seen, Luck isn't into technology as much as others. The reports claims that his cell phone only costs $10, which leads me to believe it is on the low end of technology.

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I can't figure out why they are doing a private workout with Luck either. Everyone knows they are taking him. Is something really going to change their minds?

The contingency of coaches that traveled out to Palo Alto left me with the impression that there was more of a purpose than just an old fashioned workout, they were preparing him for the future! I do not believe 100% was finalized, but more was stepped up in the direction of Luck becoming the new Colts Quarterback.

I think they flirted with RGIII, but IMO, that was it!

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The contingency of coaches that traveled out to Palo Alto left me with the impression that there was more of a purpose than just an old fashioned workout, they were preparing him for the future! I do not believe 100% was finalized, but more was stepped up in the direction of Luck becoming the new Colts Quarterback.

I think they flirted with RGIII, but IMO, that was it!

I hope you are right. I hope that the contingency of coaches and FO personnel communicated to Luck that he will be their choice, even if they did not sign him.

I can only imagine what might be going on inside Luck's head if they did not communicate this, and still stuck with the mantra that they are still deciding when RG3 has refused to privately workout for the Colts (while agreeing to meet with Redskins' officials).

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If Luck has one ounce of telling the Colts not to draft him inside of him then move on to the next guy. The Colts owe it to themselves to be certain beyond a shadow of a doubt. If that isn't good enough for Luck's time frame then so be it.

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If Luck has one ounce of telling the Colts not to draft him inside of him then move on to the next guy. The Colts owe it to themselves to be certain beyond a shadow of a doubt. If that isn't good enough for Luck's time frame then so be it.

Hunh? Luck was the one who set up a privite workout for us. There have been no hints from Luck that he is going to tell the Colts not to draft him. In fact just last week he was on a radio show where he said he would like to be a Colt. So I don't get your last part.

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Kyle Shannahan is going to spend the next couple weeks visiting RG3 and going over the playbook.

Maybe the Colts are doing this w Luck as well.

So if we draft RG3 we can steal the Redskins plays...

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

I am kidding of course...

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RG3 wouldve came to learn from Peyton now Peytons gone and we just have a team who will drop him like he did Peyton

okay? Luck never said he wouldn't come here to learn from Peyton in fact when he was asked about it he said things like if you get a chance to learn from a guy like Peyton Manning you have to take advantage of it so I am not sure what that has to do with anything unless you are just trying to take some kinda un-needed shot at the Colts for letting Manning go.

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I can't figure out why they are doing a private workout with Luck either. Everyone knows they are taking him. Is something really going to change their minds?

You want to cross your t's and dot your i's. The Colts are doing their home work. It's not like they are risking anything to do a privite workout with Luck. There is nothing wrong with having as much information about someone as you can. In fact it's smart. It's easy for us to sit back and say oh this is a no brainer and everyone knows they should take Luck! It's another to be the person who is going to be held responable for making the pick and frankly whose lively hood is probably going to depend on how well that pick turns out.

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Hunh?  Luck was the one who set up a privite workout for us.  There have been no hints from Luck that he is going to tell the Colts not to draft him.  In fact just last week he was on a radio show where he said he would like to be a Colt.  So I don't get your last part.

It was in response to the conversation above about taking more time might increase Luck's willingness to pull an Elway. I know he's said that he wants to be a Colt, and Irsay has clearly been latched on for Luck for quite some time.It was just a comment addressing the previous discussions.

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It was in response to the conversation above about taking more time might increase Luck's willingness to pull an Elway. I know he's said that he wants to be a Colt, and Irsay has clearly been latched on for Luck for quite some time.It was just a comment addressing the previous discussions.

I think the chances of Luck pulling an Elway are about the same as Luck coming out and saying you know I've thought about it and I don't want to play football anymore. Yes it can happen but it's a pretty safe bet to say it wont. There have been zero signs to support that Luck is even thinking about pulling an Elway or Eli Manning.
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I think the chances of Luck pulling an Elway are about the same as Luck coming out and saying you know I've thought about it and I don't want to play football anymore.  Yes it can happen but it's a pretty safe bet to say it wont.  There have been zero signs to support that Luck is even thinking about pulling an Elway or Eli Manning.

Again, it wasn't my thought. I was commenting on others thoughts.

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okay? Luck never said he wouldn't come here to learn from Peyton in fact when he was asked about it he said things like if you get a chance to learn from a guy like Peyton Manning you have to take advantage of it so I am not sure what that has to do with anything unless you are just trying to take some kinda un-needed shot at the Colts for letting Manning go.

Why are you bring Luck into this? Did I ever mention him? What I ment with my post was maybe RG3 saw how the Peyton situation went down. If they booted Peyton an Indy legend heck probably share the same fate. Why would he want to come play here
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Why are you bring Luck into this? Did I ever mention him? What I ment with my post was maybe RG3 saw how the Peyton situation went down. If they booted Peyton an Indy legend heck probably share the same fate. Why would he want to come play here

RG3 wants to be the top over all pick (he's gone on the record saying that). We hold that pick. That would be part of the reason why he wants to come here. Also despite what some think rookie players aren't going to get scared away about coming to Indianapolis because they dumped Manning, especially if letting Manning go helped open the door for them to play which in the case of RG3 and Luck it did. All players WANT to play. just because RG3 or Luck were willing to back Manning up doesn't mean they wanted to do that. I am sure if you asked them both would tell you while they would have understood sitting behind Manning of course if given the choice they want to play. Most players are smart enough to look at the Manning situation and understand it was a business move, including Peyton himself. Players know that side of things exist every where in the NFL not just the Colts. The Colts are not the first and will not be the last team to let a fan favorite go because of the business side of things in the NFL.

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I don't think RGIII wants to play for a rebuilding team, honestly. He might have seen the Texans with David Carr or the Browns and Tim Couch. No matter how talented those guys were (and I still maintained they were), they could succeed in that situation. I think that might be his thinking, but I have no basis for this.

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Brown             Northern Iowa  OT          6'9''        321 149.           Nico Collins         Michigan              WR         6'4"        222 150.           Tommy Togiai    Ohio State           DL3T      6'2"        300 151.           JaCoby Stevens LSU        S              6'1''        228 152.           Jordan Smith      UAB       EDGE     6'7"        255 153.           Tyler Vaughns   USC        WR         6'2"        190 154.           Jack Anderson   Texas Tech          OG         6'5"        315 155.           Bobby Brown III Texas A&M         DL1T      6'3"        325 156.           Darren Hall          San Diego State CB           6'0"        190 157.           Donovan Stiner Florida  S              6'1"        203 158.           Wyatt Hubert    Kansas State       EDGE     6'3"        270 159.           Thomas Graham Jr.         Oregon CB           5'10"      193 160.           Shemar Jean-Charles      Appalachian State            CB           5'11"      190 161.           Malik Herring     Georgia DL5T      6'3"        283 162.           Daelin Hayes      Notre Dame       EDGE     6'4"        268 163.           Tommy Kraemer              Notre Dame       OG         6'6"        317 164.           Marco Wilson    Florida  CB           6'0"        190 165.           Trill Williams       Syracuse              CB           6'2'         198 166.           Shaka Toney       Penn State          EDGE     6'3"        243 167.           Jimmy Morrissey              Pitt         OC          6'3"        305 168.           Sam Ehlinger      Texas    QB          6'3"        225 169.           Sadarius Hutcherson      South Carolina   OG         6'4"        320 170.           D.J. Daniel           Georgia CB           6'0''        183 171.           Camryn Bynum Cal          CB           6'0''        198 172.           Jermar Jefferson              Oregon State     RBC        5'9"        215 173.           Jose Borregales Miami (FL)           PK           5'10"      205 174.           Alaric Jackson    Iowa      OT          6'6"        315 175.           Brennan Eagles Texas    WR         6'2"        225 176.           Tommy Doyle    Miami (OH)         OT          6'8''        326 177.           Jonathan Marshall           Arkansas              DL1T      6'3"        317 178.           Shane Buechele SMU      QB          6'1"        207 179.           Joshua Kaindoh Florida State       EDGE     6'7"        261 180.           James Hudson   Cincinnati            OT          6'5"        310 181.           Benjamin St-Juste            Minnesota          CB           6'3"        200 182.           Demetric Felton                UCLA     RBC        5'9"        189 183.           Victor Dimukeje Duke     EDGE     6'2"        265 184.           Xavier Kelly         Arkansas              DL3T      6'4"        305 185.           Kary Vincent Jr. LSU        CB           5'10"      182 186.           Noah Gray           Duke     TE           6'4"        240 187.           Adrian Ealy          Oklahoma           OT          6'6"        327 188.           Michal Menet   Penn State          OC          6'4''        305 189.           Pressley Harvin III            Georgia Tech      P             6'0"        255 190.           Amen Ogbongbemiga    Oklahoma State OLB        6'1"        231 191.           T.J. Vasher          Texas Tech          WR         6'6"        210 192.           Josh Imatorbhebhe         Illinois   WR         6'2"        215 193.           Matt Bushman  BYU        TE           6'5"        245 194.           Stevie Scott        Indiana RB           6'2"        231 195.           Brady Christensen           BYU        OT          6'6''        300 196.           Quintin Morris   Bowling Green  TE           6'4"        248 197.           Riley Patterson Memphis             PK           6'0"        190 198.           Malcolm Koonce              Buffalo EDGE     6'3"        250 199.           Robert Rochell   Central Arkansas              CB           6'0''        195 200.           Ben Mason         Michigan              FB           6'3"        254
    • Bender honey we love you SHUT UP BABY I KNOW IT
    • Trade 1: Miami offer picks No.3, No.18, No.50 and Tua Tagavailova to Texans for DeShaun Watson   Trade 2: WFT offers pick No.19 to NYJ for pick No.34 and Sam Darnold   Trade 3: Carolina offers pick No.8 and pick No.104 to Houston for Tua, pick No.18,  and pick No.113   Trade 4: Indianapolis Colts offer pick No.21 (1st) and pick No.118 (4th) to Las Vegas Raiders for Derek Carr   Trade 5: Tennessee Titans offer Pick No.22, Pick No.53 and Pick No.86 to Denver Broncos for Pick No.9   Trade 6: Las Vegas Raiders offer Pick No.21 and Pick No.145 for Carson Wentz and Pick No.37   Trade 7: Carolina Panthers offer Pick No.113 to Eagles for Zach Ertz   Trade 8: New England Patriots trade Patrick Surtain and a 4th rounder to the Los Angeles Chargers for Jaylen Waddle   Trade 9: Los Angeles Chargers trade Patrick Surtain to Carolina Panthers for pick No.18 and No.73   Trade 10: Cleveland Browns trade Jarvis Landry and Pick No.123 to Chicago Bears for their 3rd round pick No.84   Trade 11: Pittsburgh Steelers trade Pick No.55 (2nd), Pick No.88 (3rd) and Pick No.192 (6th) to Bucs for pick No.32   Trade 12: Houston Texans trade pick No.50, No.100 and No.104 to New Orleans Saints for Marshon Lattimore   Round 1   1.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson 2.  NY Jets (2-14) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State 3.  Houston from Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU 4.  Atlanta (4-12) - Penei Sowell, OT, Oregon 5.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - JaMarr Chase, WR, LSU 6.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State 7.  Detroit (5-11) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State 8.  Houston from Carolina (5-11) - DaVonta Smith, WR, Alabama 9.  Titans from Denver (5-11) - Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan 10.  Dallas (6-10) - Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern 11.  NY Giants (6-10) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida 12.  San Francisco (6-10) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech 13.  New England from LA Chargers (7-9) - Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama 14.  Minnesota (7-9) - Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami 15.  Carolina from LA Chargers from New England (7-9) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama 16.  Arizona (8-8) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina 17.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Jaelen Philips, EDGE, Miami 18.  Chargers from Carolina from Houston from Miami (10-6) - Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue 19.  NY Jets From WFT* (7-9) - Najee Harris RB Alabama 20.  Chicago* (8-8) - Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 21.  Philadelphia from Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota 22.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech 23.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Zaven Collins, OLB/DE, Tulsa 24.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Jalen Mayfield, OT, Michigan 25.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trevon Moehring, S, TCU 26.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame 27.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida 28.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh 29.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Terrance Marshall, WR, LSU 30.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State 31.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Wyatt Davis, OG/C, Ohio State 32.  Pittsburgh from Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama   Houston -> Miami: For Laremy Tunsil Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Carolina -> Houston: For Tua LA Rams -> Jacksonville: For Jalen Ramsey Seattle -> NY Jets: For Jamal Adams WFT -> NY Jets For Sam Darnold Indianapolis -> Las Vegas For Derek Carr Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Las Vegas -> Philadelphia for Carson Wentz New England -> Chargers for Jaylen Waddle Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 2   33.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Sam Cosmi, OT, Texas 34.  WFT From NY Jets (2-14) - Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama 35.  Atlanta (4-12) - Creed Humphrey, OG, Oklahoma 36.  Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson 37.  Las Vegas From Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State 38.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Christian Barmore, DL, Alabama 39.  Carolina (5-11) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame 40.  Denver (5-11) - Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State 41.  Detroit (5-11) - Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss 42.  NY Giants (6-10) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State 43.  San Francisco (6-10) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon 44.  Dallas (6-10) - Jay Tufele, DT, USC 45.  Jacksonville - from Minnesota (7-9) - Jackson Carmon, OT, Clemson 46.  New England (7-9) - Joseph Ossai, EDGE/OLB, Texas 47.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State 48.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri 49.  Arizona (8-8) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford 50.  New Orleans From Houston from Miami (10-6) - Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama 51.  WFT* (7-9) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State 52.  Chicago* (8-8) - Kyle Trask, QB, Florida 53.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Jabril Cox, LB, LSU 54.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington 55.  Tampa Bay  from Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest 56.  Seattle* (12-4) - Brady Christiansen, OT, BYU 57.  LA Rams* (10-6) - Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama 58.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia 59.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Richie Grant, Safety, UCF 60.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern 61.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Ronnie Perkins, EDGE, Oklahoma 62.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa 63.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Josh Myers, C, Ohio State 64.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia   Houston -> Miami: Laremy Tunsil Minnesota -> Jacksonville: Yannick Ngakoue NY Jets -> WFT in Sam Darnold trade Philadelphia -> Las Vegas in Carson Wentz trade Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Houston -> New Orleans For Marshon Lattimore Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 3   65.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Tyler Shelvin, DL, LSU 66.  NY Jets (2-14) - Marquez Stevenson, WR, Houston 67.  Houston (4-12) - Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State 68.  Atlanta (4-12) - Marvin Wilson, DL, FSU 69.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati 70.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse 71.  Denver (5-11) - Elijah Molden, CB, Washington 72.  Detroit (5-11) - Alim McNeil, DL, NC State 73.  Los Angeles Chargers From Carolina (5-11) - Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State 74.  WFT - from San Francisco (6-10) - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC 75.  Dallas (6-10) - Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida 76.  NY Giants (6-10) - Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford 77.  New England (7-9) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia 78.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Rashad Weaver, DE, Pittsburgh 79.  Minnesota (7-9) - Osa Odighizuwa, DT, UCLA 80.  Arizona (8-8) - Payton Turner, DE, Houston 81.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Hamsah Nasirldeen, S, FSU 82.  Miami (10-6) - Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State 83.  WFT* (7-9) - Deonte Brown, OG, Alabama 84.  Cleveland From Chicago* (8-8) - Joe Tryon, DE, Washington 85.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Jordan Smith, DE, UAB 86.  Denver From Tennessee* (11-5) - Ar'Darius Washington, S, TCU 87.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse 88.  Tampa Bay From Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Camerone McGrone, LB, Michigan 89.  Detroit - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trey Smith, OG, Tennessee 90.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State 91.  Minnesota - from Baltimore* (11-5) - Ben Cleveland, OG, Georgia 92.  Cleveland - from New Orleans* (12-4) - D’Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Michigan 93.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Chazz Surratt, OLB, North Carolina 94.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia 95.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas 96.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Israel Mukumanu, CB, South Carolina   Baltimore -> Minnesota: Yannick Ngakoue LA Rams -> Detroit: Matthew Stafford New England stripped of draft pick because of Spygate II New Orleans -> Cleveland: 2020 picks San Francisco -> Washington: Trent Williams Seattle -> NY Jets: Jamal Adams Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Chicago -> Cleveland in Jarvis Landry trade Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 4 97.   Jacksonville (1-15) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) - Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn 105.  Denver (5-11) - Quinn Meinerz, OG/OC , Wisconsin - Whitewater 106.  Dallas (6-10) - Jaylen Twyman DT, Pitt 107.  NY Giants (6-10) - Marlon Williams, WR, UCF 108.  San Francisco (6-10) - Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State 110.  Minnesota (7-9) 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) 114.  Miami (10-6) 115.  WFT* (7-9) 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) 120.  Seattle* (12-4) 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5)     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
    • IF MN doesn't pick till tomorrow.....   With 111, the Chargers will select   iOL/C Quinn Meinerz   or OG Kendrick Green, if Meinerez is gone.    
    • With the 109th pick,    Chargers select LB Justin Hilliard from OSU.   Surprised he wasn't up higher on the big board. PFF has him as a late 2nd.     Minnesota Vikings and @coltsfanmurf are on the clock.
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