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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I know you didn't and I like Lance as well, where we disagree is I would give up the 21st pick for Matt, you wouldn't. Fun debate.

 

Could be a moot point as we don't even know what the Lions are looking to get in return.

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Please for the love of god Ballard don't give up a first for a stat QB

Rivers had really good teams, he just failed. Stafford was given the worst of the worst teams and coaches. He's a "stat" guy because that's all he has, just win a shoot out. He's no injury prone at al

You’re nuts if you wouldn’t give up the 21st pick for Stafford.    Sign me up. Pull the trigger, Ballard

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Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I don't think Lance will be there at 21, that is another problem. 

 

Course not. We'd need to trade up. I've seen Lance go between 10-15

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Just now, CR91 said:

 

Good point, but I think it's worth the risk. 

 

A lot of teams are going to agree with you.    We just don't know if the Colts are one of them?

 

Here's the kids Wiki page.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trey_Lance

 

He played one season.    One.    16 starts.    And one unimpressive start this year.    That's it.    Big risk.    Great if it pays off.   But a disaster if it doesn't because we'll likely have to trade up to get him.    And as I always say,  trading up is expensive!   Very, very expensive!

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Just now, crazycolt1 said:

 

3 pages of "debate" and CR91 has had half the comments. 

That's not a debate, it's being argumentative. 

With that said no one has a clue of what Ballard's plans are. 

 

Oops :ninja:

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1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

Course not. We'd need to trade up. I've seen Lance go between 10-15

I have him going top 10. I think only Lawrence and Fields go before him and I like him better than Fields but Fields has the resume of playing against tougher comp.

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1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

Course not. We'd need to trade up. I've seen Lance go between 10-15

 

Remember....   by April of last year,  Jordon Love was supposed to go top-15 too.    I think he fell to 26?  28?   Not sure.  But he fell.    I'm just saying don't get locked into where he's going to go this early.    Things are very, very fluid right now.

 

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1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Remember....   by April of last year,  Jordon Love was supposed to go top-15 too.    I think he fell to 26?  28?   Not sure.  But he fell.    I'm just saying don't get locked into where he's going to go this early.    Things are very, very fluid right now.

 

He looks better than Love but great point, the draft is a crapshoot.

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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I have him going top 10. I think only Lawrence and Fields go before him and I like him better than Fields but Fields has the resume of playing against tougher comp.

 

Wilson and Jones have gone high

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3 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Oops :ninja:

I get it if you dislike Stafford so just come out and say it. 

Everyone don't feel the same but that don't make them anymore wrong that you think you are right. 

It's a very long off season already and it hasn't even got a good start yet. :hat:

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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

I get it if you dislike Stafford so just come out and say it. 

Everyone don't feel the same but that don't make them anymore wrong that you think you are right. 

It's a very long off season already and it hasn't even got a good start yet. :hat:

 

I don't. I think Stafford is a good QB. I just don't wanna spend a first. I'd rather trade up if we're gonna do that.

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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

I get it if you dislike Stafford so just come out and say it. 

Everyone don't feel the same but that don't make them anymore wrong that you think you are right. 

It's a very long off season already and it hasn't even got a good start yet. :hat:

Stafford was just unfortunate to get drafted by one of the worse franchises of all-time. He will win here and our state will treat he and his family like royalty. That is how we do things. We win here. He still despite everything has put up unreal numbers in several seasons.

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Stafford for our #1 easily (and more if need be). The Colts are ready to win NOW. Too many things can happen if we have to wait even a couple years for a rookie to develop. 

 

Besides, the way Ballard finds talent in day two and beyond, I have no problem without a number 1 pick. 

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1 minute ago, cbear said:

Stafford for our #1 easily (and more if need be). The Colts are ready to win NOW. Too many things can happen if we have to wait even a couple years for a rookie to develop. 

 

Besides, the way Ballard finds talent in day two and beyond, I have no problem without a number 1 pick. 

It will take our 21st and next years 2nd is my guess, I would still do it for him.

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None of us knows what grade Ballard has on Stafford or any other player for that matter. 

There is a lot of time between now and the draft and I trust Ballard has more of an idea what players are worth than I do. 

I have said all along I would like new blood. Is that player is available?  Hades, I don't know. :thinking:

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8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Stafford was just unfortunate to get drafted by one of the worse franchises of all-time. He will win here and our state will treat he and his family like royalty. That is how we do things. We win here. He still despite everything has put up unreal numbers in several seasons.

Yeah, just like we treated Rivers? Not too sure about that :dunno:

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1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

None of us knows what grade Ballard has on Stafford or any other player for that matter. 

There is a lot of time between now and the draft and I trust Ballard has more of an idea what players are worth than I do. 

I have said all along I would like new blood. Is that player is available?  Hades, I don't know. :thinking:

I hope is either Stafford or Lance out of the draft. Ballard knows best but if it is Wentz, Darnold, Dalton, or Trubisky I will be wondering what is going on. A big NO to all those guys, that is just me.

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1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

Yeah, just like we treated Rivers? Not too sure about that :dunno:

Most of the people here in the state treated Rivers well from what I have read on the news. Rivers even said he loves it here. There were people in here that didn't like him but I was talking just in general.

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51 minutes ago, DownHillRunner said:

Ballard is going to acquire Stafford. I don’t see any other choice. I just hope it’s not for the 21st overall pick because that pick could be used to draft someone like Trey Lance. 

 

Dak - The price tag will be too high and he’s not leaving Dallas anyway.


Wentz - I think the Eagles have repaired their relationship with him by hiring Nick. He stays in Philly. 

 

Watson - Pipe dream, Texans won’t trade him to us. 

Jameis - Don’t want him. 
 

 

 


 

 

 

There are some more options but nothing that’s going to get fans excited.

 

Fitzmagic, Alex Smith, Mitch from the bears or bringing Jacoby back.  
 

no one would like any of those moves.

 

Also I wouldn’t rule out seeing if the Falcons would part with Ryan (not realistic) or the Eagles with Hurts if they are going with Wentz.  
 

Stafford makes the most sense of the realistic available options if they don’t go with a rookie.

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11 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Most of the people here in the state treated Rivers well from what I have read on the news. Rivers even said he loves it here. There were people in here that didn't like him but I was talking just in general.

 

I think the poster was talking about how poorly he was treated by those on this website.

 

In a word:  badly.

 

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10 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I think the poster was talking about how poorly he was treated by those on this website.

 

In a word:  badly.

 

Yeah I agree and what is sad is he played good this year. Go figure. I enjoyed the 2020 season despite losing in the playoffs. We put out a good product and kept the fans entertained.

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36 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

I don't. I think Stafford is a good QB. I just don't wanna spend a first. I'd rather trade up if we're gonna do that.

 

I'm with you CR91. Investing a 1st round pick into a guy that maybe will be with this team for 3 years is not in the best interest of the franchise. I am under the belief that Ballard and company like Eason a lot and wanna see what he can do as their starter in a few years. 

 

With that said, I would much rather spend our 1st round pick on a longterm guy that will be a cornerstone young player at one of our needed key positions (LT, CB, DE, QB) 

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah I agree and what is sad is he played good this year. Go figure. I enjoyed the 2020 season despite losing in the playoffs. We put out a good product and kept the fans entertained.

 

100 percent!

 

Every year I say the same thing....    I wish this franchise had a much better fan base.

 

Oh well.....        :peek:

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Just now, NewColtsFan said:

 

100 percent!

 

Every year I say the same thing....    I wish this franchise had a much better fan base.

 

Oh well.....        :peek:

I think 80% of our fanbase is pretty good but the problem is, it is the 20% that make it look like puke lmao . 20% of people will find anything to complain about no matter how small it is. 

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2 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

You really think Watson wouldn't succeed no matter where he went? Well if he goes to the jets like he wants, we can see if you're theory holds water.

He just QB's the 4-12 Texans into the 3rd pick in the draft (for the dolphins)

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4 minutes ago, ColtJax said:

He just QB's the 4-12 Texans into the 3rd pick in the draft (for the dolphins)

 

Same QB that should have beaten us twice and the titans.

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7 minutes ago, Orioles22 said:

I think Stafford makes the most sense. Not sure why people seem to think he's "washed up" at 32. He could go another five years easily. We can't be giving away seasons with the roster we have. It's time to win now.

 

 

I agree

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Stafford is just a younger Rivers. As much as you guys want to scream he had no team for years, good QBs make the talent around them better. As CR91 mentioned, he’s never won anything. Throw in the back problems, and he ain’t worth a 1st.

 

Plus he’s 33. There is nothing to suggest he wants to play/ or can play at a high level for another 5 years. Not everyone plays till they’re 38-40 like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers.

 

Any team that pays a 1st for Stafford is crazy.

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1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

Same QB that should have beaten us twice and the titans.

Watson is very good if not great, nobody is denying that but 4-12 is 4-12. That is like me getting on here and saying, well we outplayed the Bills in the playoffs and should have won (which I have posted at least 5 times) but nobody seems to care. We lost and that is all people look at. Not saying it is right but that is football.

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1 hour ago, ar7 said:

Stafford is going to be the best option for the Colts this offseason but i'm not all about acquiring him at any cost. As talented as this team is they are not just a quarterback away. There are other holes on this team. As important as the QB situation is I don't think it would be a good move to give up a bunch of your assets for a QB that probably has another 5 good years left. 

 

Also, I think the 49ers and Broncos are the important ones in all of this given where they pick in the first round this year. They can easily beat out what the Colts  or Washington can offer. If either of those two teams want Stafford the Colts are going to be out of the running. 

Agree somewhat. I think Stafford will want some power in terms of what team he goes to. Detroit can pursue a trade to say Denver, but Stafford is not wanting to go to a dumpster fire. I think with what the Colts have achieved, Stafford would like Indy. Plus it is a dome team like Detroit.

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2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

You're going to hang 4-12 on DeShaun Watson?      Seriously?

 

Wow.....

 

It is definitely not on Watson but our loss to Buffalo wasn't on Rivers which some blame him for that. QB's get the glory when they win or get blamed when they lose by most.

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I don't get the logic of drafting a quarterback this year as a "project" when we drafted a quarterback last year as a "project."

i think they go with Eason as the backup to see if he will be ready to take over in two or three years. I don't think they draft another quarterback until they find out if Eason can play.

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3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Watson is very good if not great, nobody is denying that but 4-12 is 4-12. That is like me getting on here and saying, well we outplayed the Bills in the playoffs and should have won (which I have posted at least 5 times) but nobody seems to care. We lost and that is all people look at. Not saying it is right but that is football.

 

I'm just saying. You don't put that on Watson

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2 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

If the colts want to use their first round pick on a QB, then trade up and get Trey Lance. He's gonna be a star. He's a bigger Watson with just as big an arm and running ability.

I am not in favour of a raw qb who sat a year out of college. He needed all the football he could get

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