Poll - QB Preference (now that PR has officially retired) (merge)

[w87r]

5 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

The problem is that I have a feeling that the Falcons would want more than my 10 acres

I think the key to a trade for Ryan would to have agreement in place for post June 1st trade. So would push compensation to 2022 and 2023, while saving them $23m in 2021 cap space. 

 

That us most beneficial to them although it would leave $26.5m in dead cap space for 2022.

 

 

This route, we would know our QB situation is handled and go about the offseason accordingly.

[The Fish]

How'd this go for 70 pages and I didn't notice this? 

 

19 folks say RE: Ballard finding the QB "Blind faith, I have a picture of him in my house that I worship daily"

 

lol

[PrincetonTiger]

5 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

 

I've had that feeling since about 8:30PM on August 24, 2019.

It was a lot later for me

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

How'd this go for 70 pages and I didn't notice this? 

 

19 folks say RE: Ballard finding the QB "Blind faith, I have a picture of him in my house that I worship daily"

 

lol

This is the second 70 page thread on the subject.

[DougDew]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

This is the second 70 page thread on the subject.

When to cut it off?  Looks like we might be rolling right through a Wentz thread and into a Ryan thread.......

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

When to cut it off?  Looks like we might be rolling right through a Wentz thread and into a Ryan thread.......

thread was never about Wentz or Ryan or even Stafford.  Its a "QB Preference" Thread, hence the title, right  @w87r

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

When to cut it off?  Looks like we might be rolling right through a Wentz thread and into a Ryan thread.......

Nope.

 

1st one cut off after Stafford

 

If we don't get Wentz

 

On to thread #3.

[danlhart87]

The first QB thread was started September 13 and ended January 30 had 71 pages

 

Thats about 4.5 months 

 

This one started January 20 and is at 70 already in nearly 3 weeks 

 

The next one we should hit 70 pages in 3 days 

[w87r]

Just now, csmopar said:

thread was never about Wentz or Ryan or even Stafford.  Its a "QB Preference" Thread, hence the title, right  @w87r

Yeah but once Stafford deal the other thread was locked up and this one took over for it.

[csmopar]

Just now, w87r said:

Yeah but once Stafford deal the other thread was locked up and this one took over for it.

until wentz, ryan or whoever becomes our next QB, another will just pop up in its place. I mean, the site is a place to discuss all things football, especially Colts.  That's what people are doing here. Why cut that off? Makes no sense as long as it is relevant, which it is.  The Stafford one become irrelevant once he was traded

[stitches]

2 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

The first QB thread was started September 13 and ended January 30 had 71 pages

 

Thats about 4.5 months 

 

This one started January 20 and is at 70 already in nearly 3 weeks 

 

The next one we should hit 70 pages in 3 days 

And the final one will be 70 pages in 3 hours after we trade up to top 10 to draft Mac Jones  

[PrincetonTiger]

@luv_pony_express

  The gut feeling for only about a Month ago with the PR announcement 

[danlhart87]

Just now, stitches said:

And the final one will be 70 pages in 3 hours after we trade up to top 10 to draft Mac Jones  

[buccolts]

3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

 

O.K., we all sense you're jonesing for Jones, but even if we spent the capitol to get into the top 10 to do so?

That move would be very Bears like.

[danlhart87]

2 minutes ago, buccolts said:

 

O.K., we all sense you're jonesing for Jones, but even if we spent the capitol to get into the top 10 to do so?

That move would be very Bears like.

Jones needs the Colts more than the Colts need him. 

 

I think we are one of the few teams that can accommodate his weaknesses and he would flourish in our system.

[buccolts]

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

Jones needs the Colts more than the Colts need him. 

 

I think we are one of the few teams that can accommodate his weaknesses and he would flourish in our system.

I can agree with that. I just couldn't justify spending a couple of #1s + to get there.

Especially, when it's likely you don't need to get into the top 10 to get him.

[danlhart87]

Just now, buccolts said:

I can agree with that. I just couldn't justify spending a couple of #1s + to get there.

Colts most likely wouldn't have to trade too far to get him. 

 

If you believe in someone enough the picks you lose are worth losing 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

31 minutes ago, w87r said:

I think the key to a trade for Ryan would to have agreement in place for post June 1st trade. So would push compensation to 2022 and 2023, while saving them $23m in 2021 cap space. 

 

That us most beneficial to them although it would leave $26.5m in dead cap space for 2022.

 

 

This route, we would know our QB situation is handled and go about the offseason accordingly.

But what happens with OTA’s  even if they are virtual again. You can’t wait to June to get him involved.

[w87r]

5 minutes ago, csmopar said:

until wentz, ryan or whoever becomes our next QB, another will just pop up in its place. I mean, the site is a place to discuss all things football, especially Colts.  That's what people are doing here. Why cut that off? Makes no sense as long as it is relevant, which it is.  The Stafford one become irrelevant once he was traded

The Stafford one wasn't just about Stafford. It was about QB options. It turned into mostly Stafford talk later when those rumors cam about. Was a super merge

 

 

Anyway, it was discussed amongst mods that it had became to big so it was time to lock it up.

 

That time is approaching here as well.

[danlhart87]

Just now, Chloe6124 said:

But what happens with OTA’s  even if they are virtual again. You can’t wait to June to get him involved.

How exciting June 1st is my birthday lol

[poilucelt]

52 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

So Jason on For the Colture has a new podcast up. He says he is being told the colts have made a offer for Wentz and it’s Ballsrds final offer. 

it also sounded (at least on that podcast) like Ballard 1) likes Wilson and Fields but 2) has little, if any, interest in either Lance or Darnold

[w87r]

1 minute ago, Chloe6124 said:

But what happens with OTA’s  even if they are virtual again. You can’t wait to June to get him involved.

That is a tough situation but he is a vet amd should be fine.

 

Would drastically make compensation lower on our end I think. It is more to help ATL, I would go ahead and make the deal, if that is what we decide. Just think that ATL would ask for less or maybe give us comp for allowing them to save that much cap space this year.

 

Ryan isn't going to miss to much if we waited till after June 1st.

[PrincetonTiger]

4 minutes ago, poilucelt said:

it also sounded (at least on that podcast) like Ballard 1) likes Wilson and Fields but 2) has little, if any, interest in either Lance or Darnold

Wilson and Fields are not attainable for the Colts

[poilucelt]

4 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Wilson and Fields are not attainable for the Colts

I didn't say they were; to me the more important (if accurate) info was Ballard's lack of interest in Lance and Darnold

[PrincetonTiger]

13 minutes ago, w87r said:

That is a tough situation but he is a vet amd should be fine.

 

Would drastically make compensation lower on our end I think. It is more to help ATL, I would go ahead and make the deal, if that is what we decide. Just think that ATL would ask for less or maybe give us comp for allowing them to save that much cap space this year.

 

Ryan isn't going to miss to much if we waited till after June 1st.

The problem is that it took PR half a season to make connections with certain players and he already knew the basics of the Reich Offense   

 

  For all we know it could take even longer for MR and that is without adding in the fact that he would adapt to the O or that the O would have to adapt to him

[PrincetonTiger]

2 minutes ago, poilucelt said:

I didn't say they were; to me the more important (if accurate) info was Ballard's lack of interest in Lance and Darnold

He can’t really show public interest in Darnold since it could get him and the Colts in trouble

[w87r]

1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

The problem is that it took PR have a season to make connections with certain players and he already knew the basics of the Reich Offense   

 

  For all we know it could take even longer for MR and that is without adding in the fact that he could adapt to the O or that the O could adapt to him

Do you think those 10 days(even more so if virtual) ate going to make a huge difference?

 

Im good with doing the deal now(if that is who the Colts pursue), just feel as ATL might not be and would like to save money this year than lose more.

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

Do you think those 10 days(even more so if virtual) ate going to make a huge difference?

 

Im good with doing the deal now(if that is who the Colts pursue), just feel as ATL might not be and would like to save money this year than lose more.

It does away with the first week of school experience that new signees/draftees must go through

[w87r]

3 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

It does away with the first week of school experience that new signees/draftees must go through

Im driving now, but I will post a hypothetical when I get home in 20 minutes or so.

[PrincetonTiger]

Let me put my coach hat on

 

  Offseason workouts and Preseason camp are the most important time for a football staff and team

[DougDew]

18 minutes ago, poilucelt said:

it also sounded (at least on that podcast) like Ballard 1) likes Wilson and Fields but 2) has little, if any, interest in either Lance or Darnold

Saying anything glowing about Top 10 prospects is really not revealing anything.  The other guys he needs to be honest about because they might be available to him. 

 

To the extent that a GM is not blowing smoke about everything.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

22 minutes ago, w87r said:

That is a tough situation but he is a vet amd should be fine.

 

Would drastically make compensation lower on our end I think. It is more to help ATL, I would go ahead and make the deal, if that is what we decide. Just think that ATL would ask for less or maybe give us comp for allowing them to save that much cap space this year.

 

Ryan isn't going to miss to much if we waited till after June 1st.

I suppose the NFL wouldn’t be down with letting him participate with the colts before it’s official? 

[poilucelt]

14 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

He can’t really show public interest in Darnold since it could get him and the Colts in trouble

but apparently he showed enough disinterest in private to lead Spears to feel he's not crazy about either one of them

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

27 minutes ago, poilucelt said:

it also sounded (at least on that podcast) like Ballard 1) likes Wilson and Fields but 2) has little, if any, interest in either Lance or Darnold

I think like Love Ballard doesn’t really like the lack of college games with Lance.

[luv_pony_express]

8 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

It was a lot later for me

 

Not me.  When my son raced upstairs to tell me that Luck had retired, my first reaction was shock and disbelief.  But that soon gave way to the sinking realization that, very likely, the Colts were going to struggle for years to come to get that elusive QB that all football teams covet, but only few are fortunate enough to acquire.

 

We'd been fortunate enough to have two in the previous 20 or so years.  And there was a pretty good chance that we were going to have to wander the desert for a while until we got the next one.

 

A pessimistic view.  But very common in the NFL.

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, Chloe6124 said:

I think like Love Ballard doesn’t really like the lack of college games with Lance.

Same thing with Love last year 

[shasta519]

59 minutes ago, The Fish said:

How'd this go for 70 pages and I didn't notice this? 

 

19 folks say RE: Ballard finding the QB "Blind faith, I have a picture of him in my house that I worship daily"

 

lol

 

At least half of the "pretty confident" have the same blind faith...they just don't have the photo up because their SO gets jealous.

[FalconsFan]

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

i guess not as bad as a i thought, 4th in yards, 1st in attempts, 23rd in Percentage Completed, 16th in QBR (Rivers was 18th), 21st in Passer Rating (Rivers was 13th).

 

 

That said, all those were higher than all the QBs we've looked at in trades thus far.  

 

 

 

 

[IinD]

Sooooo... Still nothing . Lol

[PrincetonTiger]

5 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

 

Not me.  When my son raced upstairs to tell me that Luck had retired, my first reaction was shock and disbelief.  But that soon gave way to the sinking realization that, very likely, the Colts were going to struggle for years to come to get that elusive QB that all football teams covet, but only few are fortunate enough to acquire.

 

We'd been fortunate enough to have two in the previous 20 or so years.  And there was a pretty good chance that we were going to have to wander the desert for a while until we got the next one.

 

A pessimistic view.  But very common in the NFL.

I have Never been allowed to be that way 

  For the first 25 years of my life I was personally involved with multiple athletic programs and coaches

2 minutes ago, IinD said:

Sooooo... Still nothing . Lol