Poll - QB Preference (now that PR has officially retired) (merge)

[luv_pony_express]

10 minutes ago, DougDew said:

The reason Wentz is commanding some capital is because he is 28.  A team that likes him is expecting/hoping to have their QB for a while.  Stafford and Goff were also relatively young.

 

Ryan should be less expensive because he's 36.  

Goff was closer to being throw-in.  And Wentz is more analogous to Goff than Stafford.  Stafford was the guy another team came after.  Goff is the guy his new team was willing to accept (alongside much else, of course).

 

Age is a factor, I agree.  But less of one than (recent) performance.

 

Also, Stafford is only 3 years younger than Ryan.

[Jeremy Waldon]

2 minutes ago, stitches said:

I don't want us to pay premium for bridge QBs and Matt Ryan will cost premium. 

Would you rather have fitz, in hopes Eason will be the future guy? Or maybe make a move for Dak since he is not happy in Dallas

[luv_pony_express]

Just now, Jeremy Waldon said:

Would you rather have fitz, in hopes Eason will be the future guy? Or maybe make a move for Dak since he is not happy in Dallas

I’d be very wary of Dak right now.  No telling how close to 100% he’ll get, let alone when.

[John Waylon]

2 hours ago, zibby43 said:

The following is not Vin Fosh-certified, but as long as we’re at it:

 

 

 

Do we have to?
 

1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:

Jeff McLain the eagles reporter is on the radio. Good thread here. He said he does believe Wentz wants to come to the colts and will be interesting if him and his agent can make it happen.

 

 

Ive said it in this thread before already, but Howie Roseman is someone who is getting pointed to more and more all the time as an undesirable in that organization. 

[John Waylon]

10 minutes ago, stitches said:

I don't want us to pay premium for bridge QBs and Matt Ryan will cost premium. 

Bingo. If the Falcons do something wild like cut him outright and just give him to us then fine. I don’t mind spending the money to sign him for a year. It’s not like we can’t afford it. 
 

But trade for him?

 

Absolutely not. 

[PrincetonTiger]

4 minutes ago, John Waylon said:

 

Do we have to?
 

Ive said it in this thread before already, but Howie Roseman is someone who is getting pointed to more and more all the time as an undesirable in that organization. 

HR seems to be at the center of every malfunction that comes out the Philadelphia organization 

[stitches]

9 minutes ago, Jeremy Waldon said:

Would you rather have fitz, in hopes Eason will be the future guy? Or maybe make a move for Dak since he is not happy in Dallas

Yes, Fitz is one of my favorite bridge QBs. I'd sign him whether we go QB in the draft or not. He'd be good bridge for any young QB, whether it's Eason or another young QB we draft. I'd trade for Dak too, but I'm not sure about the price. The minimum there starts at 2 firsts. 

1 minute ago, John Waylon said:

Bingo. If the Falcons do something wild like cut him outright and just give him to us then fine. I don’t mind spending the money to sign him for a year. It’s not like we can’t afford it. 
 

But trade for him?

 

Absolutely not. 

Yeah, I don't think they would cut him, when there is obviously a strong market for good QBs and even though he's getting old he's still pretty good. 

[w87r]

23 minutes ago, FalconsFan said:

Remember that the Falcons assume most of the contract in a trade.  You’ll probably only be on the hook for 15 mill or less which is a great deal

Matt Ryan cap hits if traded:(team traded to)

2021 - $23m

2022 - $23.75m

2023 - $28m

 

 

So not bad at all

 

 

Edit: had to change 2023 cap hit.

[FalconsFan]

3 minutes ago, w87r said:

Matt Ryan cap hits if traded:(team traded to)

2021 - $23m

2022 - $23.75m

2023 - $28m

 

 

So not bad at all

 

thanks...I was just making a guess

[w87r]

I wouldn't pay a 1st, 2nd and player for Ryan but I think he could be a pretty decent add, no doubt 

1 minute ago, FalconsFan said:

thanks...I was just making a guess

You were pretty close in your $15m number. Just posting for everyone else to see.

[PrincetonTiger]

3 minutes ago, w87r said:

Matt Ryan cap hits if traded:(team traded to)

2021 - $23m

2022 - $23.75m

2023 - $28m

 

 

So not bad at all

 

Does he have 3 years of high caliber play left 

[krunk]

Most of Atlanta wants Ryan gone. Hes on the decline. Dont buy it

[csmopar]

Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

Does he have 3 years of high caliber play left 

when was the last time he had high caliber play? 

[PrincetonTiger]

@w87r

     Here is my feeling on MR

       at 33 or Younger- Yes

       at 33+ No, No, No

[w87r]

1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Does he have 3 years of high caliber play left 

Idk? Without looking to hard though, I believe only $5.5m of all that is guaranteed. Nothing past 2021.

 

Definitely wouldn't sell the farm on him, but a 2021 3rd and 2022 conditional 3rd. Might be worth a look at?

[PrincetonTiger]

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

when was the last time he had high caliber play? 

[danlhart87]

23 minutes ago, csmopar said:

was gone a couple hours, saw there were like 120 new replies, thought something major had broken

Imagine being gone last 2 weeks then coming back to 70 pages

[krunk]

I got a family full of Falcons fans

[w87r]

3 minutes ago, csmopar said:

when was the last time he had high caliber play? 

You act like he was garbage last year.

 

4581yds 26tds 11ints 93.3 rating

[NewColtsFan]

I certainly hope those posters here who are saying Matt Ryan is too old aren't also in the other thread claiming the Colts should’ve signed Tom Brady instead of Phillip Rivers. 
 

At least let’s be consistent. 

 

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

i guess not as bad as a i thought, 4th in yards, 1st in attempts, 23rd in Percentage Completed, 16th in QBR (Rivers was 18th), 21st in Passer Rating (Rivers was 13th).

 

 

That said, all those were higher than all the QBs we've looked at in trades thus far.  

[w87r]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

I certainly hope those posters here who are saying Matt Ryan is too old aren't also in the other thread claiming the Colts should’ve signed Tom Brady instead of Phillip Rivers. 
 

At least let’s be consistent. 

 

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

I certainly hope those posters here who are saying Matt Ryan is too old aren't also in the other thread claiming the Colts should’ve signed Tom Brady instead of Phillip Rivers. 
 

At least let’s be consistent. 

 

For the record, I didn't want Rivers, Brady or Ryan.... last year or this year

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

I certainly hope those posters here who are saying Matt Ryan is too old aren't also in the other thread claiming the Colts should’ve signed Tom Brady instead of Phillip Rivers. 
 

At least let’s be consistent. 

 

 

Don’t put me in that camp

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

So Jason on For the Colture has a new podcast up. He says he is being told the colts have made a offer for Wentz and it’s Ballsrds final offer. 

[GoColts8818]

I might be the only one but I like Ryan and would be fine if the Colts got him.

[DougDew]

33 minutes ago, w87r said:

Matt Ryan cap hits if traded:(team traded to)

2021 - $23m

2022 - $23.75m

2023 - $28m

 

 

So not bad at all

 

 

Edit: had to change 2023 cap hit.

And I think that a team could rework the deal to give him more cash in those years than he will be getting now, (as incentive to restructure and lower the cap hits) but would probably have to push a $10m hit into 2024.

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said:

I might be the only one but I like Ryan and would be fine if the Colts got him.

My fear is that come this time next year we will be in the same boat as we are now

[luv_pony_express]

4 minutes ago, w87r said:

You act like he was garbage last year.

 

4581yds 26tds 11ints 93.3 rating

No kidding.  He had a year comparable to what Rivers did - at least on paper.

 

I agree with you.  I’d take Ryan, so long as it didn’t cost a bunch of draft capital or key players we can’t easily replace.

[PrincetonTiger]

5 minutes ago, w87r said:

[csmopar]

Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

My fear is that come this time next year we will be in the same boat as we are now

i have the bad feeling that we're gonna be in this mess for the next few years

[chad72]

6 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

I might be the only one but I like Ryan and would be fine if the Colts got him.

 

Any existing QB, the opposing team is asking for an arm and a leg, maybe just an arm for Darnold.  

 

Matt Ryan, they will ask for at least 2 first rounders, IMO, and might end up with a 1st and a 2nd. They will say Stafford has never been league MVP but Matt Ryan has been and won playoff games and been to a SB, that will be their basis. 

 

The reality should set in for the Colts - a drafted QB or Darnold or Trubisky is in our future.

[w87r]

4 minutes ago, DougDew said:

And I think that a team could rework the deal to give him more cash in those years than he will be getting now, (as incentive to restructure) but would probably have to push a $10m hit into 2024.

No need to really. $23m is manageable I think. Would be tight though.

 

Maybe restructure dropping base by $9m, saving $6m this year. 

 

We could still get out with only $3m dead cap in 2023 if need be.

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

My fear is that come this time next year we will be in the same boat as we are now

If so, we would at least have more info on Eason. I think Ryan would want to play his contract out though if we would let him.

[jvan1973]

17 minutes ago, w87r said:

Matt Ryan cap hits if traded:(team traded to)

2021 - $23m

2022 - $23.75m

2023 - $28m

 

 

So not bad at all

 

 

Edit: had to change 2023 cap hit.

What's the dead cap for the Falcons before June 1st?

[w87r]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

What's the dead cap for the Falcons before June 1st?

$4m (ish) more than if they just keep him.

 

Like $44m range

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

$4m (ish) more than if they just keep him.

 

Like $44m range

I thought it was 9 million over the 40.

[PrincetonTiger]

21 minutes ago, w87r said:

Idk? Without looking to hard though, I believe only $5.5m of all that is guaranteed. Nothing past 2021.

 

Definitely wouldn't sell the farm on him, but a 2021 3rd and 2022 conditional 3rd. Might be worth a look at?

The problem is that I have a feeling that the Falcons would want more than my 10 acres

 

[w87r]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I thought it was 9 million over the 40.

Thats if they cut him. Pre June 1st(not happening)

 

He has $5.5m of 2021 base salary that is guaranteed. That moves to new team if traded though.

[luv_pony_express]

12 minutes ago, csmopar said:

i have the bad feeling that we're gonna be in this mess for the next few years

 

I've had that feeling since about 8:30PM on August 24, 2019.