Poll - QB Preference (now that PR has officially retired) (merge)

[Superman]

11 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

I said earlier I wanted Mailata but if the Colts can keep their one OT can be solved in the draft

 

I wouldn't expect them to add in a player of his status in that deal. Same for Dillard.

[w87r]

27 minutes ago, stitches said:

I don't devalue future picks. 3d is a 3d. There is no good reason for future picks to be valued less than current year picks. In fact, if teams indeed work like that in the league, this should be one of the easiest ways to take advantage of GMs with old-fashioned attitudes towards assets. Pretty much every time I get such an offer I would take - this year's 3d for next year 2nd? DEAL! Over the long run you this type of deals should bring you SO MUCH value. 

The standard is there.

 

Not going to delve to deep into it.

 

Colts example:

Tony Ugoh

 

The Colts traded their 2008 first round pick to acquire Ugoh in the second round of the 2007 NFL Draft

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2011/4/13/2108459/indianapolis-colts-top-10-draft-busts-and-successes-in-franchise

 

 

Last years draft example:

Seahawks, Jaguars make another deal

Seahawks receive:
» 2019 seventh-round (No. 236; select WR John Ursua)

Jaguars receive:
» 2020 sixth-round pick

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2019-nfl-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves-0ap3000001027756

 

2018 Draft examples:

In a total surprise, New England makes another trade (sarcasm)

Patriots receive:
» 2019 third-round pick

Lions receive:
» 2018 fourth-round pick (No. 114) -- Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2018-nfl-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves-0ap3000000928057

 

Not going back any further.

 

So while you don't devalue future picks, the precedent is there.

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

Texas weather this week is nuts 

Earlier this week it was 75 later it will be 15

Here in the Pocket

  The last time it was above 32 was Sunday the next will be Saturday the 20

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

I wouldn't expect them to add in a player of his status in that deal. Same for Dillard.

I agree mentioned him yesterday when the asking price as 2 1s

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

The standard is there.

 

Not going to delve to deep into it.

 

Colts example:

Tony Ugoh

 

The Colts traded their 2008 first round pick to acquire Ugoh in the second round of the 2007 NFL Draft

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2011/4/13/2108459/indianapolis-colts-top-10-draft-busts-and-successes-in-franchise

 

 

Last years draft example:

Seahawks, Jaguars make another deal

Seahawks receive:
» 2019 seventh-round (No. 236; select WR John Ursua)

Jaguars receive:
» 2020 sixth-round pick

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2019-nfl-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves-0ap3000001027756

 

2018 Draft examples:

In a total surprise, New England makes another trade (sarcasm)

Patriots receive:
» 2019 third-round pick

Lions receive:
» 2018 fourth-round pick (No. 114) -- Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2018-nfl-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves-0ap3000000928057

 

Not going back any further.

 

So while you don't devalue future picks, the precedent is there.

[stitches]

7 minutes ago, w87r said:

The standard is there.

 

Not going to delve to deep into it.

 

Colts example:

Tony Ugoh

 

The Colts traded their 2008 first round pick to acquire Ugoh in the second round of the 2007 NFL Draft

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2011/4/13/2108459/indianapolis-colts-top-10-draft-busts-and-successes-in-franchise

 

 

Last years draft example:

Seahawks, Jaguars make another deal

Seahawks receive:
» 2019 seventh-round (No. 236; select WR John Ursua)

Jaguars receive:
» 2020 sixth-round pick

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2019-nfl-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves-0ap3000001027756

 

2018 Draft examples:

In a total surprise, New England makes another trade (sarcasm)

Patriots receive:
» 2019 third-round pick

Lions receive:
» 2018 fourth-round pick (No. 114) -- Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2018-nfl-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves-0ap3000000928057

 

Not going back any further.

 

So while you don't devalue future picks, the precedent is there.

Oh I know... I just hope Ballard is not one of those GMs that subscribes to that one. In fact I would be hoping he's one of those that takes advantage of other GMs who do. 

[CRASH]

Two Seconds and later rounder offered. 

 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2931062-carson-wentz-trade-rumors-colts-have-offered-eagles-at-least-2-2nd-round-picks.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

[krunk]

14 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Texas weather this week is nuts 

Earlier this week it was 75 later it will be 15

 

Troy is Eagles GM

Ballard is Abed

Yeah im in Texas too. Cold as hell right now

[danlhart87]

4 minutes ago, krunk said:

Yeah im in Texas too. Cold as hell right now

Isn't it crazy weird

Our annual 1 week of winter 

[richard pallo]

28 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Took a 2 hour nap woke up to nothing new 

Yes there is.  The Bears now know the offer they have to beat.  If they want him they should be able to do it in short order.  

[danlhart87]

Just now, richard pallo said:

Yes there is.  The Bears now know the offer they have to beat.  If they want him they should be able to do it in short order.  

What was the offer

Friendly Reminder 

Please sign up for Gavin Mock Draft 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Some truth to this.

 

 

[poilucelt]

1 hour ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Agreed unless his OT/DE is there at 21 and might not be there later

Interesting 

think there will still be some promising OTs in Round Two (Cosmi? Little etc) BUT I suspect nearly all of the Edge guys worth picking may go in Round One, unless maybe it's one of the guys from Pitt (not sure if CB likes them anyway, post-Senior Bowl)

[richard pallo]

3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

What was the offer

Friendly Reminder 

Please sign up for Gavin Mock Draft 

The offer Jaws reported.  I consider him reputable.  He is very well connected to the Eagles.  I think this was done intentionally by the Eagles to get the Bears to beat it and get this over with quickly.  

[danlhart87]

3 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Some truth to this.

 

 

What was Colts offer

[w87r]

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

What was Colts offer

You mean to tell me you are skipping pages upon waking up from your nap?

 

 

[Fluke_33]

21 minutes ago, krunk said:

36 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Texas weather this week is nuts 

Earlier this week it was 75 later it will be 15

 

Troy is Eagles GM

Ballard is Abed

Expand  

Yeah im in Texas too. Cold as

I feel so sorry for you guys.   Not.  It’s -4 here 

[HectorRoberts]

4 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

I feel so sorry for you guys.   Not.  It’s -4 here 

-20 here in Helena MT

[poilucelt]

1 hour ago, krunk said:

I keep saying the colts offer is the highest one. Chicago isnt in position to be throwing away a bunch of capital in my opinion

unless their GM figures "what do I care? I'll probably be gone in a year anyway"

[NewColtsFan]

The Colts offer says Ron Jaworski is....

 

— Two 2’s and perhaps another pick, a 3 or a 4.    The other pick sounds contingent on certain markers. 
 

No players named or hinted at.   Just picks. 

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, HectorRoberts said:

-20 here in Helena MT

Just now, NewColtsFan said:

The Colts offer says Ron Jaworski is....

 

— Two 2’s and perhaps another pick, a 3 or a 4.    The other pick sounds contingent on certain markers. 
 

No players named or hinted at.   Just picks. 

Thanks

I could get on board with that 

I don't wanna lose pick 21 at all

[danlhart87]

if that happened you know Ballard would just trade back to get 2 back

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

if that happened you know Ballard would just trade back to get 2 back

Unless there is a guy he really loves at 21.   It gives him options though

[PrincetonTiger]

2 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

if that happened you know Ballard would just trade back to get 2 back

Boy have you been out of it because that has been discussed too

 

 

 

[jvan1973]

On 1/20/2021 at 6:48 PM, AwesomeAustin said:

If we can trade our 1st for Tua that is a no brainer.  

[danlhart87]

[poilucelt]

3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

if that happened you know Ballard would just trade back to get 2 back

I'm already checking to see which teams have early-to-middle 2nd round picks--NYJ, Mia, Atl, etc

 

would be interesting if CB swung a trade down from #21 that included a 2nd round pick higher than Philly's....oh, the irony

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, danlhart87 said:

Parts of The Pocket and Tri State has received 4+ inches of snow and ice this week and we are expecting an additional snow next week

[waterdog]

13 minutes ago, HectorRoberts said:

-20 here in Helena MT

21 celsius(think 70 fahrenheit) in New Zealand, but 18 knot SW sea breeze...can't read all these GIF animated posts, but hoping Wentz goes to North Dakota or somewhere else, soon.

 

 

[danlhart87]

8 minutes ago, poilucelt said:

I'm already checking to see which teams have early-to-middle 2nd round picks--NYJ, Mia, Atl, etc

 

would be interesting if CB swung a trade down from #21 that included a 2nd round pick higher than Philly's....oh, the irony

Ballard at his finest

[poilucelt]

Just now, danlhart87 said:

Ballard at his finest

maybe he'd top it off by also getting back a 3rd/4th that's higher than the one he sends to Philly

[coming on strong]

i heard the colts offered two 2nd rounders for wentz i dont know how true it is

[Fluke_33]

21 minutes ago, HectorRoberts said:

-20 here in Helena MT

Sorry I bragged about my warmth!  Lol

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, coming on strong said:

i heard the colts offered two 2nd rounders for wentz i dont know how true it is

It was Jaws so probably pretty accurate 

[danlhart87]

3 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

i heard the colts offered two 2nd rounders for wentz i dont know how true it is

ya I'm late to the party too

[zibby43]

Correct, here are the details, as a refresher for those who may have missed it (which is understandable because this thread grows faster than Gremlins after you feed them after midnight):

 

 

[poilucelt]

Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

It was Jaws so probably pretty accurate 

gotta think that Radunz, Little and maybe even Cosmi would still be there early in the 2nd round if CB did trade down from #21

 

if Darrisaw or maybe Jenkins dropped to #21 in Round One, maybe Ballard would go ahead and make the pick instead of trading down?

[PrincetonTiger]

@Fluke_33 @HectorRoberts

   It is 25 here in the Pocket but feels like 15 and we have 4+ inches of snow and ice on the ground

 

     Monday was the only day school was in session this week

3 minutes ago, poilucelt said:

gotta think that Radunz, Little and maybe even Cosmi would still be there early in the 2nd round if CB did trade down from #21

 

if Darrisaw or maybe Jenkins dropped to #21 in Round One, maybe Ballard would go ahead and make the pick instead of trading down?

I agree 

[jvan1973]

Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

@Fluke_33 @HectorRoberts

   It is 25 here in the Pocket but feels like 15 and we have 4+ inches of snow and ice

 

     Monday was the only day school was in session this week

They canceled school for 4 inches of snow?

[csmopar]

4 minutes ago, zibby43 said:

Correct, here are the details, as a refresher for those who may have missed it (which is understandable because this thread grows faster than Gremlins after you feed them after midnight):

 

 

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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

They canceled school for 4 inches of snow?

They canceled here for a dusting last week

[jvan1973]

Just now, csmopar said:

I

They canceled here for a dusting last week

Where do you live?