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Hail fellow, well met.   I'm glad we had Rivers in 2020. I'm very glad he had a good season, and so did the team. I'm disappointed we couldn't get him to the SB, and I'm kind of disappointed

Much respect to Rivers He came and played very well for us last season. Exceeded most expectations.     Wish nothing but the best for him and his family. Look forward to the day he gets

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Just now, Chloe6124 said:

If all the options fail having Jacoby and Eason competing might not be a bad thing. Eason wins and you have a vet behind him if things go south.

I'd like to see Eason get a shot, backed up by a solid veteran no matter who it is. I'd like to think he learned something valuable in his year with Philip, Jacoby & Reich.

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2 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

If all the options fail having Jacoby and Eason competing might not be a bad thing. Eason wins and you have a vet behind him if things go south.

You might as well quit in 21 season if that happens 

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14 minutes ago, stitches said:

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I land on this being the best option. 

 

Trade a package of future picks + players (perhaps a change of scenery guy like Banogu)...and move up to draft Wilson. 

 

Prior to that, get the extensions in place for Nelson/Smith/Leonard, sign ARob, sign Williams/Okung/Beachum to a short-term deal, re-sign Rhodes and Houston to 1-2 year deals, sign some EDGE depth, draft an LT in the 2nd round to develop, draft a TE in the 3rd round. 

 

Not even sure if they could swing that...so it's going to be incredibly difficult to address needs on this team with a QB making $30M+.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Sam Darnold could join the long list of players that never got to develop under Adam Gase but smartened up and did better elsewhere. From Ryan Tannehill to Minkah Fitzpatrick to Kenyan Drake to even LeVeon Bell, players underwhelming under Adam Gase played better elsewhere and even a star player like Bell was underutilized. 

 

Sam Darnold is an extreme low risk high reward move with a 3rd rounder if we cannot get a vet like Stafford or Carr, IMO. At worst, he would be fighting for a starting position with Eason, and at best he would outplay him and shine well with our OL and his ability to extend plays and throw on the run with better coaching. 

 

I am not down on Darnold as some here are, to be honest. I saw enough potential and I saw the results of the games when he did not turn the ball over when his team did well vs the Rams and Browns towards the end of the season.

 

I am not either. I think Darnold is very talented and makes perfect sense from an age and contract standpoint. Either he breaks out and you have your young QB (but you will have to pay him)...OR he continues to bust and you have to go all in on the draft the following year. But at least you will be in better position to do so.

 

I don't really see a downside...given the alternatives. But preferably, I would just bite the bullet and move up in the draft and get it over with.

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Number 17 played 17 seasons.  Damn good career.  Nothing to be ashamed about at all.  I definitely think he gets in the Hall of Fame.  We were supposed to be giving him the perfect walk off with a win over Rodgers and the Packers in the Super Bowl this season.  Despite not accomplishing that ultimate goal in the NFL, I think he’s going to do big things in coaching.  

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42 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Sam Darnold could join the long list of players that never got to develop under Adam Gase but smartened up and did better elsewhere. From Ryan Tannehill to Minkah Fitzpatrick to Kenyan Drake to even LeVeon Bell, players underwhelming under Adam Gase played better elsewhere and even a star player like Bell was underutilized. 

 

Sam Darnold is an extreme low risk high reward move with a 3rd rounder if we cannot get a vet like Stafford or Carr, IMO. At worst, he would be fighting for a starting position with Eason, and at best he would outplay him and shine well with our OL and his ability to extend plays and throw on the run with better coaching. 

 

I am not down on Darnold as some here are, to be honest. I saw enough potential and I saw the results of the games when he did not turn the ball over when his team did well vs the Rams and Browns towards the end of the season.

You think the Jets are giving up Sam Darnold for as little as a single third round draft pick?  

I think the ask will be higher and I think they’ll get it. 

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4 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

Number 17 played 17 seasons.  Damn good career.  Nothing to be ashamed about at all.  I definitely think he gets in the Hall of Fame.  We were supposed to be giving him the perfect walk off with a win over Rodgers and the Packers in the Super Bowl this season.  Despite not accomplishing that ultimate goal in the NFL, I think he’s going to do big things in coaching.  

I'd take him as a play caller right now... lol

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The Colts CANNOT go with Eason or Brissett next year.. it’d be a waste of prime years of Buckner, Nelson, Leonard etc.. 

 

The roster is too good and too close to go with a late round rookie QB.

 

Look at the final four teams left.. all have elite QBs. Even Brady. 

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7 minutes ago, Colt.45 said:

I think he was pretty clear on that though. The kid could be the QB but there's no info. If you were Mr Ballard, would you name this kid your future when you've never seen him in front of live bullets?

Throwing a pretty ball, or shining in covid practice isnt the same thing.

My point exactly, as we are as a team right now, it makes no since to waste having a rookie more or less to  go through the growing pains of development. Even as highly regarded as Tua, was for Miami, they are already looking for someone else. If  a future quarterback means someone who will be with the team for 15 years or more , we will be waiting a long time.  

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22 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

Trade a package of future picks + players (perhaps a change of scenery guy like Banogu)...and move up to draft Wilson. 

 

Prior to that, get the extensions in place for Nelson/Smith/Leonard, sign ARob, sign Williams/Okung/Beachum to a short-term deal, re-sign Rhodes and Houston to 1-2 year deals, sign some EDGE depth, draft an LT in the 2nd round to develop, draft a TE in the 3rd round. 

 

Not even sure if they could swing that...so it's going to be incredibly difficult to address needs on this team with a QB making $30M+.

 

 

The cost to move into the range of 5-10 would be approx our 1 & 3 this year and likely our 1 & 3 next year as well.   And that assumes you can find a team picking that high that is willing to trade down to pick 21.

 

Still interested? 

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1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

The cost to move into the range of 5-10 would be approx our 1 & 3 this year and likely our 1 & 3 next year as well.   And that I assumes you can find a team picking that high that is willing to trade down to pick 21.

 

Still interested? 

Depends who they trade up for 

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8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

You think the Jets are giving up Sam Darnold for as little as a single third round draft pick?  

I think the ask will be higher and I think they’ll get it. 

Then he won't be a Colt

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6 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

The cost to move into the range of 5-10 would be approx our 1 & 3 this year and likely our 1 & 3 next year as well.   And that I assumes you can find a team picking that high that is willing to trade down to pick 21.

 

Still interested? 

from a capital calculator perspective, 2x 21st picks gets you a 6th

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13 minutes ago, Beardog said:

Love the Colts but they will not be in the playoffs next year!  For all the Rivers sucks crowd, neither Wenz, Stafford, Darnold or Brissett take this team to the playoffs 

Stafford could

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1 hour ago, shasta519 said:

 

My sources are telling me that Ballard already has a trade in place to move up. 

 

Not really...but it's definitely within the range of outcomes now...as is trading for someone like Wentz and Darnold.

 

But given the other needs on this team...it makes a lot of sense to do what is necessary to get a cheap young QB and then use those cap savings ($40M or so) in FA to supplement LT/WR/EDGE/CB. Fling open the SB competitive window.

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Zack Keefer mentioned that he has heard around the league how QB want to play here. They want to play for Reich and know how good the oline is. We will see if Ballard can pull some magic out of his hat.

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9 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

Trade a package of future picks + players (perhaps a change of scenery guy like Banogu)...and move up to draft Wilson. 

 

Prior to that, get the extensions in place for Nelson/Smith/Leonard, sign ARob, sign Williams/Okung/Beachum to a short-term deal, re-sign Rhodes and Houston to 1-2 year deals, sign some EDGE depth, draft an LT in the 2nd round to develop, draft a TE in the 3rd round. 

 

Not even sure if they could swing that...so it's going to be incredibly difficult to address needs on this team with a QB making $30M+.

 

 

That would be the ideal but Wilson is a bit of a pipe dream at this point. It's possible he goes no.2. Or if not 2, very possible top 5. We probably would need to do a 2 time jump in the draft to get to that spot if we even find a trade partner there. Your plan sounds good until you start apportioning the money. Lets say we have about 70M of capspace. 10-12M are for rookie contracts. That's 60

Nelson 15, Braden 15, Leonard 15. Those are conservative. In reality all those might require more. So we are at 15M left. You can probably get only one of your desired FAs for that money. 

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Just now, stitches said:

That would be the ideal but Wilson is a bit of a pipe dream at this point. It's possible he goes no.2. Or if not 2, very possible top 5. We probably would need to do a 2 time jump in the draft to get to that spot if we even find a trade partner there. Your plan sounds good until you start apportioning the money. Lets say we have about 70M of capspace. 10-12M are for rookie contracts. That's 60

Nelson 15, Braden 15, Leonard 15. Those are conservative. In reality all those might require more. So we are at 15M left. You can probably get only one of your desired FAs for that money. 

He would like to play for 49ers and Panthers 

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2 minutes ago, krunk said:

Jets might not even let Darnold go

So far everything that is coming out is the new coach likes him a lot. The sad thing is most teams aren’t going to want to trade from the 2nd to 21st pick. That would also cost a ton of draft capital to move up that far. 

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20 minutes ago, TheNextGM said:

The Colts CANNOT go with Eason or Brissett next year.. it’d be a waste of prime years of Buckner, Nelson, Leonard etc.. 

 

The roster is too good and too close to go with a late round rookie QB.

 

Look at the final four teams left.. all have elite QBs. Even Brady. 

What elite qb do you suggest?

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Stafford’s a good QB but I how many playoff wins does he have?  Exactly.  Most here have under estimated Rivers and what he brought.

 

 I do think right now the trend is younger.  Hopefully the Colts get someone and rebound but don’t think it’s so easy 

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Just now, Beardog said:

Stafford’s a good QB but I how many playoff wins does he have?  Exactly.  Most here have under estimated Rivers and what he brought.

 

 I do think right now the trend is younger.  Hopefully the Colts get someone and rebound but don’t think it’s so easy 

Stafford hasn't had much help.   He can easily take this team to the playoffs

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Stafford might be able to get for our 21st pick. Wentz possibly if they decide to move on. 

 

My I don’t think we are going to have many answers until the draft.

 

Is there a date teams can start trading players? Can it start anytime.

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2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

from a capital calculator perspective, 2x 21st picks gets you a 6th

I appreciate that.   But trade ups for a QB are always expensive.
 

Two firsts only would mean the team moving down a half a round, 15 spots, has to wait a full year to get the payoff of the other first. 
 

Later today we can explore what KC paid to move up for Mahomes, what Houston paid to move up for Watson, what the Jets paid to move up to get Sanchez, as well as other trades. 

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24 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

You think the Jets are giving up Sam Darnold for as little as a single third round draft pick?  

I think the ask will be higher and I think they’ll get it. 

 

I think we should do a conditional one. A 3rd rounder, that would get up to a 2nd rounder if he starts 12 games or something like that. If Josh Rosen went for a 2nd, I realize they will take a 2nd. Maybe they would be willing to wait for a 2nd next year than this year counting on the fact we might have a setback year or something. I would however do it conditional and I do think the ball is not in their court as much as they might think it is.

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58 minutes ago, eaglerockdude said:

I was hoping for one more year.  Not to be. 

 

To the Rivers "noodle arm" crowd...next year when you are 4-6....maybe eat some crow.

 

Are you saying the NFL season will be shortened to 10 games? :) 

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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

What elite qb do you suggest?


1. Stafford - He’d be elite behind this line, with this running game.

 

2. Watson - Texans would never trade him in the division but one can dream.

 

3. Carr - Don’t laugh - he had a better QBR than Rivers and Stafford.

 

4. Prescott - I think the Cowboys keep him but if he hits the market look out.

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9 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Zack Keefer mentioned that he has heard around the league how QB want to play here. They want to play for Reich and know how good the oline is. We will see if Ballard can pull some magic out of his hat.

 

The asking price is what it will come down to. No more than our 1st rounder for Stafford, no more than our 2nd rounder for Darnold, IMO. 

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