Should the Colts have contracted with Brady instead of Rivers?

[Horse Shoe Heaven 184]

No!! No Patriots in the building please!!

[Imgrandojji 1,260]

4 minutes ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

No!! No Patriots in the building please!!

[jvan1973 5,307]

58 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:

I did.  Irsay was apparently all for it for awhile.  It was after Brady came off the market that Irsay started making a full court press on Rivers.

I have a hard time believing Tom would want to come here after deflategate.   

[Imgrandojji 1,260]

I didn't say he did.  I said Irsay wanted it.   That said there was at least one rumor that Brady came here at Irsay's invitation before he signed with Tampa.  Probably just doing due dilligence but still, there it is.

 

That said, given the situation at the time the Colts were an above average landing place for Brady, and I hope people don't let their antipathy for the man blind them to the fact that he would have been an enormous asset for us

[Horse Shoe Heaven 184]

1 hour ago, Imgrandojji said:

LOL well I guess one

[jvan1973 5,307]

6 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:

I didn't say he did.  I said Irsay wanted it.   That said there was at least one rumor that Brady came here at Irsay's invitation before he signed with Tampa.  Probably just doing due dilligence but still, there it is.

 

That said, given the situation at the time the Colts were an above average landing place for Brady, and I hope people don't let their antipathy for the man blind them to the fact that he would have been an enormous asset for us

The OP said Brady had interest in coming here.   I just don't buy it

[CR91 6,358]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

The OP said Brady had interest in coming here.   I just don't buy it

 

Did you not read the article I sent you

[jvan1973 5,307]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

Did you not read the article I sent you

I did.   It's a rumor.   I don't buy it

[CR91 6,358]

40 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I did.   It's a rumor.   I don't buy it

 

To each his own then

[jvan1973 5,307]

31 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

To each his own then

After deflategate,  why in the world would he want to come here?    

[2006Coltsbestever 21,846]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

After deflategate,  why in the world would he want to come here?    

Don't worry, after Tom gets crushed this week by GB the same people that say they would rather have him over Rivers won't say a word  . Put us in the NFC and we would be in the final 4 with Rivers. The NFC is weak.

[Imgrandojji 1,260]

1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

The OP said Brady had interest in coming here.   I just don't buy it

Be as skeptical as you like.  I know what I read.  He came out once, at Irsay's invitation, he was at the Colts' practice facility, and then a couple weeks later he signed with TB.  That's the facts, the rest is a question of how you connect the dots.

 

Probably he was just maximizing his bargaining position with Tampa, but there's more juice to this one than most of the offseason rumors that filter around in a thread like this .

[CR91 6,358]

16 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

After deflategate,  why in the world would he want to come here?    

 

Get back at BB for always taking all the credit

[jvan1973 5,307]

25 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:

Be as skeptical as you like.  I know what I read.  He came out once, at Irsay's invitation, he was at the Colts' practice facility, and then a couple weeks later he signed with TB.  That's the facts, the rest is a question of how you connect the dots.

 

Probably he was just maximizing his bargaining position with Tampa, but there's more juice to this one than most of the offseason rumors that filter around in a thread like this .

I think the irsay meeting was also a rumor.  I can't find any article on it

[EastStreet 9,199]

Brady had much better O weapons that PR, a much better offensive play caller, and still rated worse than PR in a lot of areas. 

 

Just not sure there would have been much difference, if at all. 

[Tsarquise 443]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

After deflategate,  why in the world would he want to come here?    

Ryan Grigson is gone; he is the guy who alerted the NFL director of football operations, not Ballard, not Reich. Tis a whole new regime. 

 

And maybe because he thought he could win with the franchise, and maybe -- dont know if he feels this way --  stick it NE and/or BB. 

[Crunked 116]

I just couldn't do it....I mean, I respect his career and talent...but I just couldn't....... its like inviting Satan to the church fish fry, putting him in a suit and tie doesn't make him a better person, he is still the devil after all lol 

[Chrisaaron1023 1,908]

11 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Brady had much better O weapons that PR, a much better offensive play caller, and still rated worse than PR in a lot of areas. 

 

Just not sure there would have been much difference, if at all. 

Really?? 

 

This is the stuff you don't hear about.. "Tampa is in the NFC Title game because of Tom!" "He didn't have training camp to get used to his new role with new team-mates".. "All pro Antonio Brown coming in mid season threw the offense off"

[EastStreet 9,199]

4 minutes ago, Chrisaaron1023 said:

Really?? 

 

This is the stuff you don't hear about.. "Tampa is in the NFC Title game because of Tom!" "He didn't have training camp to get used to his new role with new team-mates".. "All pro Antonio Brown coming in mid season threw the offense off"

 

I know, right. Poor guy.... 

[ojsglove 322]

On 1/18/2021 at 5:55 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If you think Championship or bust every year you will be disappointed 99% of the time, we only won 1 with Peyton. Why some in here think it is easy to win a SB is mindboggling. Peyton and Luck's don't grow on tree's and Rivers was good this year in reality. You think some in here aren't happy with Rivers, try starting a rookie or Eason? That could be a nightmare. This season was fun, all being negative does is make a person miserable.

Never said winning a SB was easy, and actually was probably the first poster in here that suggested we sign him, and was dismissed by most of the self proclaimed elite members in here.   

[2006Coltsbestever 21,846]

2 minutes ago, ojsglove said:

Never said winning a SB was easy, and actually was probably the first poster in here that suggested we sign him, and was dismissed by most of the self proclaimed elite members in here.   

I wanted Rivers as well. I just quoted you but that quote was directed at mainly others. 

[ojsglove 322]

I say we go after Stafford.  I think he is are best option at this point to maximize our value on our oline.

[2006Coltsbestever 21,846]

1 minute ago, ojsglove said:

I say we go after Stafford.  I think he is are best option at this point to maximize our value on our oline.

I agree 100%, makes perfect sense.

[CR91 6,358]

3 minutes ago, ojsglove said:

I say we go after Stafford.  I think he is are best option at this point to maximize our value on our oline.

 

You're willing to give up our first round pick because I'm sure not especially for someone who's never won a playoff game.

[2006Coltsbestever 21,846]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

You're willing to give up our first round pick because I'm sure not especially for someone who's never won a playoff game.

Look who has played for all these years. He would win some playoff games here.

[CR91 6,358]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Look who has played for all these years. He would win some playoff games here.

 

He had Calvin Johnson for most of his career. Golladay, Tate, and Marvin Jones are not scrubs.

[jvan1973 5,307]

11 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

He had Calvin Johnson for most of his career. Golladay, Tate, and Marvin Jones are not scrubs.

Played for,  not with.     Caldwell was easily the best coach he has had

[CR91 6,358]

1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

Played for,  not with.     Caldwell was easily the best coach he has had

 

What are you talking about? We were referring to his weapons.

[Thebrashandthebold 45]

On 1/17/2021 at 8:17 PM, chad72 said:

If the Colts defense forced 4 turnovers in the playoff game or stopped playing Jekyll and Hyde throughout the year, we might have been just as good as the Bucs in terms of results. 

"IF"......

[Thebrashandthebold 45]

The Colts can sign Cam Newton to a reasonable contract and not lose any draft picks. Cam has been to a Super Bowl. He is hungry. He would look great behind that line and he still has a cannon for an arm. He was up and down in New England after being off but he is ready to play. I say sign him up and use the draft picks to get some better targets for him. He is just coming into his prime.

[2006Coltsbestever 21,846]

12 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

He had Calvin Johnson for most of his career. Golladay, Tate, and Marvin Jones are not scrubs.

He has had some decent weapons (of course Johnson was great) but their overall team has never been good with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 years. The team we have now in Indy can make a playoff run with Stafford, JMO. The Lions have never had a Line like we have, that makes a huge difference. Rivers isn't even mobile and rarely got sacked and had a good year.

[2006Coltsbestever 21,846]

3 minutes ago, Thebrashandthebold said:

The Colts can sign Cam Newton to a reasonable contract and not lose any draft picks. Cam has been to a Super Bowl. He is hungry. He would look great behind that line and he still has a cannon for an arm. He was up and down in New England after being off but he is ready to play. I say sign him up and use the draft picks to get some better targets for him. He is just coming into his prime.

Nah, I would pass. He hasn't been the same for years. After his great 2015 season but losing the SB and then being injured off and on, he looks done to me. 

[jvan1973 5,307]

25 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

What are you talking about? We were referring to his weapons.

You were referring to Weapons.     The post you replied to said,   "look who he has played for"

[Thebrashandthebold 45]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Nah, I would pass. He hasn't been the same for years. After his great 2015 season but losing the SB and then being injured off and on, he looks done to me. 

Did you watch his games this year? He looked strong, his arm was strong but he didn't have much in the way of weapons to play with. He would be a high ceiling and low risk selection. You get to keep all of the draft picks. He is certainly better than Phillip Rivers ever was and he has the accolades to prove it. I can see that running game being just about unstoppable with him at QB.

[jvan1973 5,307]

10 minutes ago, Thebrashandthebold said:

The Colts can sign Cam Newton to a reasonable contract and not lose any draft picks. Cam has been to a Super Bowl. He is hungry. He would look great behind that line and he still has a cannon for an arm. He was up and down in New England after being off but he is ready to play. I say sign him up and use the draft picks to get some better targets for him. He is just coming into his prime.

Newton is done

[Thebrashandthebold 45]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

Newton is done

I didn't see a washed up QB (that was Rivers). I saw one that needed work, joined the team at the last minute and had some truly great moments. But give up those draft picks for a high risk rookie if that is what you want. I could see using them to make the whole team better.

[2006Coltsbestever 21,846]

1 minute ago, Thebrashandthebold said:

Did you watch his games this year? He looked strong, his arm was strong but he didn't have much in the way of weapons to play with. He would be a high ceiling and low risk selection. You get to keep all of the draft picks. He is certainly better than Phillip Rivers ever was and he has the accolades to prove it. I can see that running game being just about unstoppable with him at QB.

I disagree that he would've been a better choice than Rivers. Cam isn't the same player he was earlier in his career.

[jvan1973 5,307]

Just now, Thebrashandthebold said:

I didn't see a washed up QB (that was Rivers). I saw one that needed work, joined the team at the last minute and had some truly great moments. But give up those draft picks for a high risk rookie if that is what you want. I could see using them to make the whole team better.

Rivers was far and away better than Newton this year.   It isn't close.   8 tds and 10 picks

[Thebrashandthebold 45]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I disagree that he would've been a better choice than Rivers. Cam isn't the same player he was earlier in his career.

Neither was Rivers. Cam is mobile. He set more running records this year. His arm is sound. 

[2006Coltsbestever 21,846]

1 minute ago, Thebrashandthebold said:

I didn't see a washed up QB (that was Rivers). I saw one that needed work, joined the team at the last minute and had some truly great moments. But give up those draft picks for a high risk rookie if that is what you want. I could see using them to make the whole team better.

Rivers washed up?? Did you watch the Colts this year? He put up good stats/played good and we went 11-5 and had Buffalo on the ropes. Your posts are starting to confuse me.