Saints 2021 Cap Situation (Must See) **Eagles on page 2 ***Steelers/Falcons on page 3

[w87r 5,015]

Figured I would delve into what the Saints will need to do to field a team next year. Will go with reports Brees is done and base off of $176m cap floor.(Saint really need this to go up).

 

2021 Cap Space: -$99.8m(negative)

46 active players

Drew Brees retire - $13.5m savings

Kwon Alexander release - $13.4m savings

Emmanuel Sanders release - $6.4m savings

Nick Eason release - $6m savings

Janoris Jenkins release -$7m savings

Will Lutz release - $1.55 savings

Thomas Moorstead release - $2.5 savings

Josh Hill release - $2.65m savings

Malcom Brown release - $5m savings

 

Total savings: $58m

 

Cap Space: -$41.8m(negative)(savings are estimates)

37 active players

Cameron Hayward restructure - $7.6m savings

Micheal Thomas restructure - $9m savings

Andrus Peat restructure - $6m savings

Daniel Onyemata restructure - $3m savings

 

Total Savings: $25.6m

 

Cap Space: -$16.2m

37 active players

Terron Armstead release/trade - $6.6m savings

Latavius Murray release - $2.5m savings

Marcus Lattimore release/trade - $10.24 savings

Patrick Robinson release - $2.6m savings

Ryan Ramczyk release/trade - $11.06 savings

Taysom Hill release - $5m savings

 

Total Savings: $38.6m

 

Cap Space: $22.4m

31 active players

 

Need to sign 22 players plus PS

 

 

That was harder than I thought it was going to be. It will be a full rebuild for NO. They really put themselves in a bad spot. I guess they have this last year(this year) to compete for Championship.

 

 

 Other potential options:

Trade Hayward -$9.6m savings

 

 

Just an ugly scene. 

[danlhart87 7,380]

They are in terrible shape

Better hope they win it all

[w87r 5,015]

4 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

They are in terrible shape

Better hope they win it all

Beyond terrible.

 

If they lose tonight or anytime the rest of the year it was all for naught.

 

They desperately need the cap to come in higher than $176m. Even if so still got to blow it up.

[w87r 5,015]

Im sure they will look into trading all players that I have released above to save as much money(not much more if any that I have on releaee)as possible and get draft picks.

 

 

Would love Lattimore at $10m for Colts though. Maybe a few of those guys.?

[danlhart87 7,380]

13 minutes ago, w87r said:

Im sure they will look into trading all players that I have released above to save as much money(not much more if any that I have on releaee)as possible and get draft picks.

 

 

Would love Lattimore at $10m for Colts though. Maybe a few of those guys.?

What would it take to get Lattimore 

[life long 185]

Ouch

[w87r 5,015]

8 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

What would it take to get Lattimore 

Probably our #1? Maybe we could trade a #2 and RYS or something. Give them a young low cap guy?

 

 

I think he would be my #1 trade target if Rivers is back, if Rivers is gone probably would be Stafford.

[w87r 5,015]

4 minutes ago, life long said:

Ouch

It's pretty crazy. They might end up keeping Hill, but imo almost everything I have listed here would need to happen if cap stays at $176m.

[danlhart87 7,380]

5 minutes ago, w87r said:

Probably our #1? Maybe we could trade a #2 and RYS or something. Give them a young low cap guy?

 

 

I think he would be my #1 trade target if Rivers is back, if Rivers is gone probably would be Stafford.

I'm still in favor of trying to get Watson even for multiple 1s

[Chloe6124 9,805]

Joel Erickson used to cover the saints. He said they have a terrible cap specialist. Apparently they keep adding voidable years on to contacts and what happens is that all comes due at the same time.

[w87r 5,015]

5 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Joel Erickson used to cover the saints. He said they have a terrible cap specialist. Apparently they keep adding voidable years on to contacts and what happens is that all comes due at the same time.

Yeah they have multiple guys next year that have dead voided cap space.

 

Rankins

Davis

Cook

$8.3m

 

A few other guys dead cap space on there as well though too. Think Brees has 2 years.

 

They just have way to many high priced guys with a ton of dead cap.

 

 

Would love to get Lattimore here.

 

 

If for some reason Flus leaves for Houston, that would make Aaron Glenn that more attractive to me, hopes we could bring Lattimore with him.

[SR711 200]

Time for Ballard to go shopping...

 

Lot of quality talent may be available

[life long 185]

2 minutes ago, SR711 said:

Time for Ballard to go shopping...

 

Lot of quality talent may be available

Colts need a LT and corner. Dont the saints have all pro types at those positions? Still i doubt we make any huge signings besides our own.

[w87r 5,015]

2 minutes ago, SR711 said:

Time for Ballard to go shopping...

 

Lot of quality talent may be available

Id be interested in 2-3 of those guys.

 

1. Lattimore - $10m cap hit, likely sign to long term extension, cost a 1st or 2nd+.

2. Armstead - $11.7m cap hit

3. Ramczyk - $11m cap hit

 

 

Maybe we could trade our 1st and 2nd/or 3rd for Lattimore and Armstead?

 

Would be if Rivers was returning most likely.

 

So that would be maybe $36m out of our $68m if we could get Rivers to take around $15m.

2 minutes ago, life long said:

Colts need a LT and corner. Dont the saints have all pro types at those positions? Still i doubt we make any huge signings besides our own.

See above

[PrincetonTiger 8,219]

They are  in trouble

[w87r 5,015]

Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

There in trouble

[SR711 200]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

Id be interested in 2-3 of those guys.

 

1. Lattimore - $10m cap hit, likely sign to long term extension, cost a 1st or 2nd+.

2. Armstead - $11.7m cap hit

3. Ramczyk - $11m cap hit

 

 

Maybe we could trade our 1st and 2nd/or 3rd for Lattimore and Armstead?

 

Would be if Rivers was returning most likely.

 

So that would be maybe $36m out of our $68m if we could get Rivers to take around $15m.

See above

 

Those guys would be nice gets in areas of need.  I do agree that if Rivers is brought back, the Colts need to load up more on win now types of moves.  Taking advantage of teams in cap hell is a nice way to do that. 

[w87r 5,015]

6 minutes ago, SR711 said:

 

Those guys would be nice gets in areas of need.  I do agree that if Rivers is brought back, the Colts need to load up more on win now types of moves.  Taking advantage of teams in cap hell is a nice way to do that. 

It's really almost a perfect match if we can put a deal together.

 

With all those moves they still have pretty much no money to spend($1m a player to fill team).

 

Lattimore

Armstead

 

For 

 

1st

2nd

RYS

Maybe conditional 2022 pick?

 

Would give them 3 players toward their 21 needs and all pretty cheap and young. Draft picks and young players will be what they are searching for in any deal.

 

 

Would give us a #1 CB and a LT to replace AC.

[RollerColt 2,495]

Wow... talk about adding salt to the wounds. 

[w87r 5,015]

4 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Wow... talk about adding salt to the wounds. 

Went all in for Brees last year. Now the must tear it down.

 

 

I feel bad for some of those vets, they will likely be one of the worst teams in the league next year.

[RollerColt 2,495]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

Went all in for Brees last year. Now the must tear it down.

 

 

I feel bad for some of those vets, they will likely be one of the worst teams in the league next year.

Creates an interesting question: is it better to try and go all in with an aging and beloved vet, or try to bridge the gap between the old and new era? 

[danlhart87 7,380]

Just now, RollerColt said:

Creates an interesting question: is it better to try and go all in with an aging and beloved vet, or try to bridge the gap between the old and new era? 

whatever Ballard is doing has us trending in right direction 

[PrincetonTiger 8,219]

5 minutes ago, w87r said:

Went all in for Brees last year. Now the must tear it down.

 

 

I feel bad for some of those vets, they will likely be one of the worst teams in the league next year.

The Marlins of the NFL

[RollerColt 2,495]

Just now, danlhart87 said:

whatever Ballard is doing has us trending in right direction 

Exactly my thought on this. Ballard is essentially trying to do the opposite of what the Saints have done. We could have easily gone nuts a year ago and brought in all these free agents with Rivers.

[PrincetonTiger 8,219]

1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

Exactly my thought on this. Ballard is essentially trying to do the opposite of what the Saints have done. We could have easily gone nuts a year ago and brought in all these free agents with Rivers.

It will happen to TB soon

[w87r 5,015]

1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

Creates an interesting question: is it better to try and go all in with an aging and beloved vet, or try to bridge the gap between the old and new era? 

I think there is a happy medium, I think unfortunately for them, they mismanaged the cap extremely bad and are about to feel the effects for the next few years.

 

The Covid cap ramifications really hurt them bad as well. They wouldn't of been in nearly as bad of shape if the cap would of been around $220-$230 like it was projected to be before Covid took it's toll.

2 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

The Marlins of the NFL

Except not as competitive.

[w87r 5,015]

1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

It will happen to TB soon

Happened to Jaguars to. Couple years back they had all that cal space, spent it on a bunch of guys, did make AFC Championship game, but them had to burn it down.

[PrincetonTiger 8,219]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

Except not as competitive.

1 minute ago, w87r said:

Happened to Jaguars to. Couple years back they had all that cal space, spent it on a bunch of guys, did make AFC Championship game, but them had to burn it down.

I feel sorry for K. Cole

[danlhart87 7,380]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

Happened to Jaguars to. Couple years back they had all that cal space, spent it on a bunch of guys, did make AFC Championship game, but them had to burn it down.

Don't they have more cap space than Colts 

[w87r 5,015]

2 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Don't they have more cap space than Colts 

Yeah this year they do. I was talking about 3-5yrs ago.

 

See if they manage it better this time around.

[PrincetonTiger 8,219]

Just now, w87r said:

Yeah this year they do.

 

See if they manage it better this time around.

They will find a way to bungle it

[richard pallo 2,572]

Keeping fingers crossed they release Ramczyk. 

[w87r 5,015]

Just now, richard pallo said:

Keeping fingers crossed they release Ramczyk. 

Probably wont release.him, bit will most likely trade him.

 

Do you want him for RT or LT? Think he can switch over to the left side?

 

They dont have an option, unless cap comes in significantly higher than $176m.

 

Literally all that(OP) would likely have to happen.

[richard pallo 2,572]

5 minutes ago, w87r said:

Probably wont release.him, bit will most likely trade him.

 

Do you want him for RT or LT? Think he can switch over to the left side?

 

They dont have an option, unless cap comes in significantly higher than $176m.

 

Literally all that(OP) would likely have to happen.

LT.  I think he can switch.  Trading makes the most sense and it shouldn't be hard to get a nice pick.  I'm saving my 1st for Stafford though.  But if that falls through.....well....

[w87r 5,015]

2 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

LT.  I think he can switch.  Trading makes the most sense and it shouldn't be hard to get a nice pick.  I'm saving my 1st for Stafford though.  But if that falls through.....well....

Yeah they will be trying to acquire as many picks and young guys as possible this offseason.

 

I like Stafford as well if Rivers retires, if he's(Rivers) back though, these could be great moves for the organization.

[w87r 5,015]

8 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

Joel Erickson used to cover the saints. He said they have a terrible cap specialist. Apparently they keep adding voidable years on to contacts and what happens is that all comes due at the same time.

Im going to go over the Eagles cap situation later. They seem to be in the same boat as the Saints in this regard. A lot of voided money in future years.

 

Sure am glad Ballard knows what hw is doing.

[csmopar 7,188]

12 hours ago, w87r said:

Figured I would delve into what the Saints will need to do to field a team next year. Will go with reports Brees is done and base off of $176m cap floor.(Saint really need this to go up).

 

2021 Cap Space: -$99.8m(negative)

46 active players

Drew Brees retire - $13.5m savings

Kwon Alexander release - $13.4m savings

Emmanuel Sanders release - $6.4m savings

Nick Eason release - $6m savings

Janoris Jenkins release -$7m savings

Will Lutz release - $1.55 savings

Thomas Moorstead release - $2.5 savings

Josh Hill release - $2.65m savings

Malcom Brown release - $5m savings

 

Total savings: $58m

 

Cap Space: -$41.8m(negative)(savings are estimates)

37 active players

Cameron Hayward restructure - $7.6m savings

Micheal Thomas restructure - $9m savings

Andrus Peat restructure - $6m savings

Daniel Onyemata restructure - $3m savings

 

Total Savings: $25.6m

 

Cap Space: -$16.2m

37 active players

Terron Armstead release/trade - $6.6m savings

Latavius Murray release - $2.5m savings

Marcus Lattimore release/trade - $10.24 savings

Patrick Robinson release - $2.6m savings

Ryan Ramczyk release/trade - $11.06 savings

Taysom Hill release - $5m savings

 

Total Savings: $38.6m

 

Cap Space: $22.4m

31 active players

 

Need to sign 22 players plus PS

 

 

That was harder than I thought it was going to be. It will be a full rebuild for NO. They really put themselves in a bad spot. I guess they have this last year(this year) to compete for Championship.

 

 

 Other potential options:

Trade Hayward -$9.6m savings

 

 

Just an ugly scene. 

Yeah it is. Said that in the cap thread in the Colts section, I don’t see how they can manage that 

[csmopar 7,188]

2 hours ago, w87r said:

Im going to go over the Eagles cap situation later. They seem to be in the same boat as the Saints in this regard. A lot of voided money in future years.

 

Sure am glad Ballard knows what hw is doing.

For as much flack as he gets, he does seem to do a decent job with the cap. And it pays dividends in a year like this. If the fans got their way the last two off seasons, we’d be sitting in the exact same boat as both the eagles and Saints or worse

[csmopar 7,188]

The Saints situation reminds me a lot of the Colts the year we cut Peyton. Only worse

[tweezy32 354]

Bet they move MT to save money and try to get some good picks for him