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  1. 1. What do want to do about LT for 2021?

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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

There are just so many possibilities. Not sure if we need a super stud LT with a super stud Nelson at LG. IMO, he made AC's job much much easier. I also think Smith would do more than fine next to Nelson. If that worked, then you could take a 2nd or 3rd rounder for RT.

Exactly there’s a lot of ways they can go right now

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IMO, don’t move Smith or Nelson.  Seems to me, that compounds the issue.  

I'm in the camp of don't move anyone, but I also believe both Nelson and Smith could do it successfully... And I really want to use the #1 and #2 picks on something else.   I'm so confused.

Uhhhhhhhmmmm, what did every team miss?   How can you be scooped up ASAP as a tackle, when you are the first OL taken in the draft. Did you forget he was taken 6th overall, No OL anything wa

Presuming the Colts extend Smith and eventually Nelson (after a 5th year option), they will have 3 very highly paid pieces on the OL.  It will be difficult to have a highly paid LT on the line with those three once they are extended.  That's why I think the draft is the way to go.  Have the LT on a rookie contract for 4 (or 5 years).  By then, maybe Kelly (or Smith) peels off and the a highly paid LT new fits in as the new 3rd highly paid piece on the OL.

 

Given the importance of the position the pick should be 1st or 2nd round depending on the value on the board at the time.  I could also see another OT pick still in the 3rd-5th round in the draft for depth and competition. Colts are very thin at OT.

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Im not knowledgeable on the best college players, but I think you need pass rusher in the 1st and an OT in the second. You couldn't want a better player next to you than Nelson. 

 

All this really hinges on who the QB of 2021 is. 

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5 hours ago, DiogoSales said:

Trent Willians by FA

I like TW, but he's going to get a massive deal from the 49ers, and Ballard won't get in that bidding war. I know SF doesn't have a ton of cap, but they'll find a way. 

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2 minutes ago, HectorRoberts said:

I think Villanueva would be a good fit here

I'd take him on a 2 year deal, so long as it's not crazy. He's not a top 10 OT. IMO, neither is/was AC this year. He'd fit in though fine next to Nelson. Only question is, how much does he want. Indy has to attractive to guys like him. Dome team, and playing next to an All Pro that makes any LT's job a ton easier.

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12 hours ago, richard pallo said:

Move Q to LT sign Thuney in FA to replace him. 

 

I'm very much against moving Nelson to LT. I think he's capable of playing there, but his athleticism is a bug part of what makes him such a great guard. His mobility and agility is a massive plus at guard, but he'd be a fairly average athlete at tackle. The way I see it, we can have an average tackle and an average guard, or an average tackle and superstar guard.

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5 hours ago, EastStreet said:

I like TW, but he's going to get a massive deal from the 49ers, and Ballard won't get in that bidding war. I know SF doesn't have a ton of cap, but they'll find a way. 

Niners do not have space and like us they draft well and have a ton of picks to be paid 1-3 years from nos, I think TW slides.

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29 minutes ago, yankeeclipper said:

Draft Tackle in Round 2 - hopefully get a QB in round 1 or shutdown CB or EDGE rusher. I would also sign FA tackle - for depth and perhaps to hold the LT spot while a drafted tackle learns the system.

I hope Rivers comes back, Eason is the backup, we draft a LT in Round 1, Pass Rusher in Round 2, I would go CB in Round 3. I would also re-sign TY Hilton to a nice/big 1 year deal and see how it pans out. We went 11-5  and played Buffalo even at Buffalo, so I wouldn't fix what isn't broken too much.

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You move Nelson to LT where he was All American as a high schooler, he can play either spot at a high level and you have to pay him at either spot. Makes much more sense to spend it on LT than LG because if not you have to spend a lot on Free Agent if you dont want growing pains (Smith cant play LT ).   You than try and get Veldheer to return and back up both Tackle spots, he wont cost much and he wont have the weekly grind which saves his body (Thats why he only plays late in seasons the last 2 years).  

 

You insert Danny Pinter at LG where his still lack of upper body power doesnt hurt nearly as bad. The kid is a starter and keeper he will grow with Q by his side.

 

Draft some able replacements, make sure Clark and Green never get close to the field again. Hope O'Donnell develops enough to add something down the road.  Keep Joey Hunt.

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1 minute ago, holeymoley99 said:

You move Nelson to LT where he was All American as a high schooler, he can play either spot at a high level and you have to pay him at either spot. Makes much more sense to spend it on LT than LG because if not you have to spend a lot on Free Agent if you dont want growing pains (Smith cant play LT ).   You than try and get Veldheer to return and back up both Tackle spots, he wont cost much and he wont have the weekly grind which saves his body (Thats why he only plays late in seasons the last 2 years).  

 

You insert Danny Pinter at LG where his still lack of upper body power doesnt hurt nearly as bad. The kid is a starter and keeper he will grow with Q by his side.

 

Draft some able replacements, make sure Clark and Green never get close to the field again. Hope O'Donnell develops enough to add something down the road.  Keep Joey Hunt.

If you do what is suggested which is reasonable, then I am taking a Pass Rusher in Round 1.

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22 hours ago, EastStreet said:

I'd take him on a 2 year deal, so long as it's not crazy. He's not a top 10 OT. IMO, neither is/was AC this year. He'd fit in though fine next to Nelson. Only question is, how much does he want. Indy has to attractive to guys like him. Dome team, and playing next to an All Pro that makes any LT's job a ton easier.

is the FA left tackle from Jacksonville Cam Robinson worth a look? Former 2nd round guy, 25 yrs old, maybe not insanely expensive

 

I could probably get on board with Villanueva on a 1- or 2-yr deal as well

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On 1/14/2021 at 7:51 AM, holeymoley99 said:

You move Nelson to LT where he was All American as a high schooler, he can play either spot at a high level and you have to pay him at either spot. Makes much more sense to spend it on LT than LG because if not you have to spend a lot on Free Agent if you dont want growing pains (Smith cant play LT ).   You than try and get Veldheer to return and back up both Tackle spots, he wont cost much and he wont have the weekly grind which saves his body (Thats why he only plays late in seasons the last 2 years).  

 

You insert Danny Pinter at LG where his still lack of upper body power doesnt hurt nearly as bad. The kid is a starter and keeper he will grow with Q by his side.

 

Draft some able replacements, make sure Clark and Green never get close to the field again. Hope O'Donnell develops enough to add something down the road.  Keep Joey Hunt.

I agree, moving out would allow us to sign a cheap serviceable linemen to fill the gaps this year. We need to sign CB Mike Hilton and Xavier Rhodes.

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Way too early to know.  
 

 I mean I could say I want a free agent but we don’t know whose going to be available or what the price tag would be.  With the draft they haven’t had to the combine or whatever the Combine will be this year to really give you an idea of where guys will be drafted.  
 

just too many variables.  
 

what I do know is that Ballard will address it.  So for now that’s good enough for me.

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On 1/14/2021 at 5:57 AM, DiogoSales said:

Niners do not have space and like us they draft well and have a ton of picks to be paid 1-3 years from nos, I think TW slides.

Yeah, IDK. All the predictions I've seen the last week or so has him coming back.

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On 1/14/2021 at 10:47 PM, poilucelt said:

is the FA left tackle from Jacksonville Cam Robinson worth a look? Former 2nd round guy, 25 yrs old, maybe not insanely expensive

 

I could probably get on board with Villanueva on a 1- or 2-yr deal as well

Robinson is interesting. Not great, but not horrible PFF grades. Still young. Not sure of the jag's blocking screen, but I'd bet his PFF grades would take an instance 5pt increase just playing next to Q. He's also a guy they could try at RT if they are considering moving Smith to LT.

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16 minutes ago, DiogoSales said:

Villanueva would be my second option, but TW is better, hope it happens.

Given some of the FAs we'll have to pay for in the next couple years, and the holes right now, I'm just not sure they go big in FA. With QB, CB1, and both DEs also an open question (not just this year), we have a lot to cover along with LT. Personally, I'd try to re-sign PR to the same contract, re-sign Houston and Autry (they won't be expensive), and give Rhodes a 2-3 year deal (it will be a raise). If they can do that, then I think they go early (1st or 2nd R) in the draft instead of FA for a LT. I just hope we can bring back some of those guys I mentioned as we basically have holes at our most expensive positions. Regardless, they need to use at least one of the first two picks, if not both, on the more expensive positions. And if they go DE, I just hope they use a 1st. We have enough of the 2R DE experiments. 2R tackles are mush less of a dice roll. CB too.

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12 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

I still lean towards Liam Eichenberg.  Even though peeps like @NewColtsFan are warning me off of him.  And rightly so!  Been watching video of him.  Nothing really bad to see, but nothing amazing either.  I'll keep naming him until the Colts choose someone else.  :D 

Actually, I don’t mean to warn you off him.  Honestly.   I just think it’s too early in the process to know just how good the kid is. 
 

Is Eichenberg a first round quality kid?  2nd round?  3rd round?  I don’t know. 

 

Is he a left tackle or right tackle?    I don’t know.    
 

I think it’s too early to know...   appreciate the shoutout!   :thmup:

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I don’t understand why you wouldn’t give Q first shot at the job. He’s incredibly talented; he’s going to be paid like a LT anyway, and if it works, you don’t have to waste a top pick or pay a top FA. And if I read AC’s outgoing comments correctly, he thinks Q is up to the job. I’m not suggesting you don’t continue to add talent to the Oline. Just suggesting the new LT is already on the team. 

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45 minutes ago, Hoose said:

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t give Q first shot at the job. He’s incredibly talented; he’s going to be paid like a LT anyway, and if it works, you don’t have to waste a top pick or pay a top FA. And if I read AC’s outgoing comments correctly, he thinks Q is up to the job. I’m not suggesting you don’t continue to add talent to the Oline. Just suggesting the new LT is already on the team. 

 

It's going to be interesting. So many options. I think Q or Smith might be able to make the move. Regardless, would still need to plug a hole, and still need to work on depth. 

 

Like I said in another post, we have a lot of holes all over on both sides of the ball, so I'm sure all options are being explored. 

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Do I need to point this out? We all know how valuable LT's are in the draft. If Quentin Freaking Nelson was LT quality, he would have not been paid a # ton of money to be a guard. He would have been scooped up ASAP as a TACKLE.

 

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What....like every team missed this and suddenly he can be just as awesome as a tackle? 

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Vasher          Texas Tech          WR         6'6"        210 192.           Josh Imatorbhebhe         Illinois   WR         6'2"        215 193.           Matt Bushman  BYU        TE           6'5"        245 194.           Stevie Scott        Indiana RB           6'2"        231 195.           Brady Christensen           BYU        OT          6'6''        300 196.           Quintin Morris   Bowling Green  TE           6'4"        248 197.           Riley Patterson Memphis             PK           6'0"        190 198.           Malcolm Koonce              Buffalo EDGE     6'3"        250 199.           Robert Rochell   Central Arkansas              CB           6'0''        195 200.           Ben Mason         Michigan              FB           6'3"        254
    • It's kind of like comparing what I did in the bathroom to what you did in the bathroom, but Collins played worse than Painter in 2011, on the same team, with the same staff. I didn't say Painter played better, because that word doesn't seem appropriate here. But I thought Collins was clearly worse, and a bad fit for our offense at the time.   It was always weird to bring Collins in as the starter the way they did. I get signing him. Making him the starter wasn't a good idea. Of course, the alternative was Curtis Painter, so it probably wouldn't have mattered.
    • Round 4 97.   Jacksonville (1-15) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) 105.  Denver (5-11) 106.  Dallas (6-10) 107.  NY Giants (6-10) 108.  San Francisco (6-10) 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) 110.  Minnesota (7-9) 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) 114.  Miami (10-6) 115.  WFT* (7-9) 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) 120.  Seattle* (12-4) 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5)     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
    • Since the Manning era started...I think so. At least his stats as a starting QB for the Colts would seem to indicate that. But overall, Painter and Tolzien were worse QBs.    
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