Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Recommended Posts

We have some players coming due that r going to require some big money. Would u use any of those assets to acquire a young qb in the draft or a qb  currently under contract?  I would also include a #1 wr or shut down man corner.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 109
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

If you're talking about Nelson, Leonard, and Smith, no I would not trade any of them.

If they trade those assists you’ll be the first person to blame Ballard for trading those players and creating a hole because they didn’t have a replacement.

Who would ever want to trade Nelson?  He singlehandedly transformed our OL and elevated the play of EVERYONE along the line.  He is the best player currently on our roster, and no one would compensate

18 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

We have some players coming due that r going to require some big money. Would u use any of those assets to acquire a young qb in the draft or a qb  currently under contract?  I would also include a #1 wr or shut down man corner.

Nuts

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, NannyMcafee said:

Buckner. 

 

We already locked him up for like the next 5 years with that big contract.  The way @Moosejawcolt worded his post, I assumed he was talking about guys whose rookie contract was almost up, and trading them before having to sign them to a big contract.

 

But even if Moose was including Buckner, I wouldn't trade him either.  Buckner and Leonard are necessary for our defense to work.  Nelson and Smith are necessary to have a great OLine and make the offense work.  These are foundational guys that we WANT on our team for the next 4 years.  We don't trade any of them away.

 

Also, any QB coming into Indy is gonna want those guys on his team.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

We already locked him up for like the next 5 years with that big contract.  The way @Moosejawcolt worded his post, I assumed he was talking about guys whose rookie contract was almost up, and trading them before having to sign them to a big contract.

 

But even if Moose was including Buckner, I wouldn't trade him either.  Buckner and Leonard are necessary for our defense to work.  Nelson and Smith are necessary to have a great OLine and make the offense work.  These are foundational guys that we WANT on our team for the next 4 years.  We don't trade any of them away.

 

Also, any QB coming into Indy is gonna want those guys on his team.

U r correct. Guys coming off their rookie deals; Nelson, Leonard and Smith

Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

If you're talking about Nelson, Leonard, and Smith, no I would not trade any of them.

I rather bring in a cheap QB like Fitz and free up space to let Ballard keep drafting young talent and signing our own. We need our oline and D core. We might not resign Houston, Walker, or Rhodes sadly we cant keep em all.

9 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

We already locked him up for like the next 5 years with that big contract.  The way @Moosejawcolt worded his post, I assumed he was talking about guys whose rookie contract was almost up, and trading them before having to sign them to a big contract.

 

But even if Moose was including Buckner, I wouldn't trade him either.  Buckner and Leonard are necessary for our defense to work.  Nelson and Smith are necessary to have a great OLine and make the offense work.  These are foundational guys that we WANT on our team for the next 4 years.  We don't trade any of them away.

 

Also, any QB coming into Indy is gonna want those guys on his team.

I wish we could get a shot at signing Prescott.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

The problem with that is that Nelson, Leonard, and Smith will all require sizable contracts, so the team is giving up picks and cap space. You're not likely to get the original investment back, and as mentioned, you would have to replace them. 

  • Confused 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, ColtV said:

The problem with that is that Nelson, Leonard, and Smith will all require sizable contracts, so the team is giving up picks and cap space. You're not likely to get the original investment back, and as mentioned, you would have to replace them. 

That being said, I bet the one with the most trade value is Smith

  • Like 1
  • Haha 2
  • Confused 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, ColtV said:

Because he plays tackle?

 

1 minute ago, ColtV said:

Because he plays tackle?

Yup. Nelson is a guard and 1st team all pro or not, I doubt a team would give up a lot. Some teams dont value the linebacker postion that high. They see it as interchangable ad do I. Leonard is undersized and built for this scheme.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

The sad thing is Nelson is probably the one that would be easiest to replace. Could we get another Leonard in the draft. He is to much of a vocal leader I think go get rid of him. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Moosejawcolt said:

 

Yup. Nelson is a guard and 1st team all pro or not, I doubt a team would give up a lot. Some teams dont value the linebacker postion that high. They see it as interchangable ad do I. Leonard is undersized and built for this scheme.

I could see it if the plan is to move up and get a qb, I just don't believe that Ballard would do it. The Buckner trade last year indicated that he wasn't interested in a long term rebuild. Not saying its the wrong move, I'm firmly in the camp that without a franchise qb you are always going to be behind the 8-ball, but I don't think he makes the move. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

That being said, I bet the one with the most trade value is Smith

 

I mean, if the point is to move up in the draft for that QB, I'd just use other draft picks to balance out the trade.  I wouldn't trade away one of the best players on the team, and especially a player that would be a huge asset for the new QB.

Link to post
Share on other sites

If you wait until the end of today, there’ll be 3 more fan bases willing to trade half their team and coaches because they also want to retool their playoff caliber team.

  • Haha 4
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

We have some players coming due that r going to require some big money. Would u use any of those assets to acquire a young qb in the draft or a qb  currently under contract?  I would also include a #1 wr or shut down man corner.

 

Absolutely. 

No position is nearly as important as a Franchise/or Elite QB. We seen that yesterday vs Allen. He impressed me.

The thing is you have to correctly identify your target. 

 

Good GM's don't fall in love with their players. They need to be looked at as assets. And if you have to move some of your assets to acquire a more important asset,like a franchise QB,  then you do so. 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

@Moosejawcolt

 

You want the Colts to trade their star RT Braden Smith who didn't allow a sack at all this year to fill a void in another spot?

 

That helps but then RT becomes a weakness 

I didnt say trade him. In fact out of Nelson and Leonard, he is probably the one I would not trade

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
43 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Absolutely. 

No position is nearly as important as a Franchise/or Elite QB. We seen that yesterday vs Allen. He impressed me.

The thing is you have to correctly identify your target. 

 

Good GM's don't fall in love with their players. They need to be looked at as assets. And if you have to move some of your assets to acquire a more important asset,like a franchise QB,  then you do so. 

Nobody on this roster is bringing us a franchise qb

  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, danlhart87 said:

Autry is FA

Damn we have so many FAs on D this season. Houston, Rhodes, Hooker, Walker, and apparently Autry. I'm sure there is more. We can use a one year option/extension on Leonard right?

5 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Nobody on this roster is bringing us a franchise qb

Not anyone that's worth giving up.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, TimetobringDfence! said:

Damn we have so many FAs on D this season. Houston, Rhodes, Hooker, Walker, and apparently Autry. I'm sure there is more. We can use a one year option/extension on Leonard right?

No, Leonard was a second round pick

1 minute ago, TimetobringDfence! said:

Damn we have so many FAs on D this season. Houston, Rhodes, Hooker, Walker, and apparently Autry. I'm sure there is more. We can use a one year option/extension on Leonard right?

Not anyone that's worth giving up.

No one player on this roster is bringing a franchise qb

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Shive changed the title to Assets for a trade

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.


  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I have no idea if this is 100% true, but I believe Ballards intent was to re-sign Autry and Muhammed, and let Houston go for a high compensatory pick. Think about it, we already re-signed Muhammed. Before that, we tried to get Autry back, and he went with the Titans. Autry is younger, and he signed for 3 years $21,500,000. Houston is older, and will probably sign for a bit more a year. That means we would of not only got a younger player at EDGE, but we would of got a higher compensatory pick in that scenario.   Now Ballard didn't get Autry, is probably going to get a 5th for him or something along those lines, and has to decide whether to re-sign Houston for more, who is older, and not get the higher pick for him. After the draft, I believe you don't give or receive compensatory picks for signing FA's or getting your own signed. So that comes into play as well. Ballard has a big decision here, and he knows better than us if Houston is getting interest elsewhere right now, or if it's worth it to sign him for another deal.    Heck, Ballard may be interested in an EDGE rusher on day 1. Never know. We'll see.  
    • Would be a good deal for the Pats, not the most unbelievable trade either.
    • You ask a lot of good questions.    Unfortunately, I don't think that I, or anyone else,  has a lot of good answers.   Here's what I think we know.   Over The Cap has the Colts with just over $26 Mill.   Spotrac shows less,  and after the Carrie signing, I think we're going to be at $22.4 or so.   I also think we'd like to find a way to thread the financial needle and sign both Houston and Ertz (as a FA).   Even if you allowed $12 Mil for that, (Houston $7 mill and Ertz $5m)  that would leave us with roughly 10-$12 mill, give or take.   Currently, with our 6 picks,  Spotrac shows that will take roughly $6.5 to sign them.   But we all know Ballard has never had a draft class with less than 8 picks,  so expect two more, and that will bring the money needed to sign them to roughly $8 Mill.   Suddenly, we'd be down to $2-4 Mill and change.   Now, this is the part, where I don't know if @w87r  will step in for more financial adjustments that will show that we will have a few more $ than my math shows.    He's a wiz that way!      But typically, teams want 5-10% in reserve for in-season transactions.   BUT....   can you afford to have that much in reserve when your cap has shrunk to $185?     Yes?    No?    I don't know?     Who knows?   So....    lots of questions that need answers....    and we just don't know?    Both Houston and Ertz look like situations that might not resolve themselves until May......    So, we're left hanging....  
    • I vaguely remembered something like this but misremembered that I saw it on Hard Knocks so figured it couldn't haven't been the Colts.   Now that you mention this though, I think you're right.
    • OK....    I thought what I was saying was pretty obvious, but perhaps not,  so I'll try again....   If Chris Ballard wants to blow up and destroy everything he's spent the last 4 years building, I can't think of anything that would do it better than what you suggest.   I'm NOT saying CB should give Q and Darius blank contracts and say "fill in with the numbers you want"....   but CB will re-sign them and they will be big and generous contracts done without a lot of public fighting (unless someone gets WAY out of line with what they're asking.   But I'm not expecting that.)   Ballard has built a franchise built on culture.   We talk about here.   The team talks about it non-stop.    It's buzzing all over the city of Indianapolis.   It's even now buzzing around the NFL.    To suddenly play hardball with your best players, or worse,  trade them because they don't play the right position,  would literally destroy what he's built.   Blow-up the locker room.  Undercut  the relationships Frank Reich has with his players.   The rest of the team would see how we treated Q and Darius and think....   "why should I play hard for this franchise?   F*** them!   I'll ask to be traded the first chance I get."   In case you haven't noticed,  players demanding to be traded has caught on in the NFL.   It's not just for basketball or baseball anymore.   Ballard would lose all credibility with everyone.   He'd have wasted his 4 years here.   Reich would be screwed.   The front office would be furious.   Irsay would likely want to fire him.   It would destroy this franchise.   Final thought....    since you love to throw around what Belichick does....    deal with this...   when the Patriots were winning Super Bowls and making deep playoff runs year after year...     do you know who some of the top players were, besides Brady?     Logan Mankins,  offensive guard.   Rob Gronkowski,  Tight End.    Vince Wilfork,  Nose Tackle.  Donte Hightower, Inside linebacker.    Four key players.    All paid very well.    All Belichick favorites.    None, with the possible exception of Gronk played a sexy, glamour position that you obsess about.       I expect to agree with NONE of this.    But as someone who covered the NFL for 30 years as a member of the media,  and has followed football as close as I could for 25 more years (55 in all)  this is my judgement what would happen if Ballard would do what you suggest.     Sorry.    Good luck.....  
  • Members

×
×
  • Create New...