Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Without a Franchise QB - The window is Closing for the Colts


Recommended Posts

39 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You probably misunderstood my post because I want Rivers back but I just would like to see Eason play just to see if he has anything. It is a mystery, hopefully we have a pre-season this upcoming year.

Gotcha, I think Rivers coming back is the smartest and safest move. Ideally Eason could be the #2 and get preseason/junk time snaps. This team needs a WR threat, it did not come close to having one last season. I think Pittman was solid, but he wasn’t a game changer by any stretch of the imagination. If Eason comes along getting #2 snaps then he should be given the chance to start the following year.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 320
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Sarcasm on:   Too bad we don't have a young, mobile, dynamic QB like Lamar Jackson. I mean his stats against the Bills were.......   14/24 for 162 yds, 0 TD's and 1 INT  

With the first pick, the Jacksonville Jaguars select - Trevor Lawrence... we all know that, and what he's supposed to bring to that team. We also know that Deshaun Watson will stay put in Houston

Rivers gets the blame when he doesn’t complete a comeback with zero timeouts, but he never gets credit for keeping the team in the game to begin with. It’s because of him that we even had a chance at

On 1/15/2021 at 4:19 PM, jvan1973 said:

Eason isn't winning a superbowl next year

would you rather get him started faster or waste another year ?   If i thought we had a legit super bowl chance with a veteran i would take it , but if not you start the young QB.   Sitting has its benefits but he still needs to play , he is gonna need at least 2 or 3 years starting to be great if he is gonna be great.  i would rather get started right away so by the time he is great our core of leonard nelson smith and others are still here and in their prime . they have 5 years left of prime sitting eason next year and then needing him to play another 2 or 3 years is pushing it and will require another small rebuild to be champs .   

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Four2itus said:

Sarcasm on:

 

Too bad we don't have a young, mobile, dynamic QB like Lamar Jackson. I mean his stats against the Bills were.......

 

14/24 for 162 yds, 0 TD's and 1 INT

 

Old man Rivers stats against the Bills were........

 

27/46 for 309 yds, 2 TD's and 0 INT

 

Sarcasm off:

I'll take the classic pocket QB all the time.  It's just a matter of time when these mobile running QB's get hurt.  Allen won't last long either.  I'll take the Rivers, Brady's, Brees , Rogers QB's all the time every day of the week.  

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I'll take the classic pocket QB all the time.  It's just a matter of time when these mobile running QB's get hurt.  Allen won't last long either.  I'll take the Rivers, Brady's, Brees , Rogers QB's all the time every day of the week.  

To be fair, Rogers is pretty mobile for a pocket passer.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Still a pocket passer.  Forgot Peyton. 

Jackson  isn't  a good passer.

Just now, Stephen said:

Jackson  isn't  a good passer.

If he could pass better with his mobility  he'd be  untouchable 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Super Elite Mobile QB´s to do well in the Playoff.

 

Mahomes - MVP and Super Bowl Champ

 

Lamar - Concussion in a blow out loss (17-3), smashed by the titans last season (12-28) 

 

Russell Wilson - 1 super bowl win

 

RGIII - 1 playoff game = loss

 

Watson - 1-2 in the playoff

 

Michael Vick - 2-3 in the playoff 

 

Cam Newton - made it to the super bowl and got smashed by the Broncos

 

Meanwhile the immobile pocket passer that are getting devalued due to their lack of mobility:

 

Won 23 of the last 25 super bowls.

 

Brady 6

Big Ben 2

Manning 2

Eli Manning 2

Flacco 1

Brees 1

Foles 1

Brad Johnson 1

Trent Dilfer 1

Kurt Warner 1

Elway 2

Favre 1

Aikman 1

 

7 hours ago, richard pallo said:

I'll take the classic pocket QB all the time.  It's just a matter of time when these mobile running QB's get hurt.  Allen won't last long either.  I'll take the Rivers, Brady's, Brees , Rogers QB's all the time every day of the week.  

 

I would also take the immobile pocket passer ;) 

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

I’m with you for the most part.   Steve Young would go in the super mobile category and so would Kapernick.

 

I think mobility is a luxury item.  Guys like Rodgers, young, Wilson, Mahomes enhance their games with it, but it’s not necessary as the popular narrative goes IMO.

 

moblie QB is a political buzzword IMO.

 

The key for great QBing, assuming there is adequate NFL arm strength, is reading and reacting from the pocket. These attributes are  hard to quantify and that is why QB drafting is such a crapshoot.


Mobility=luxury item.  Not necessary but can enhance.

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Running QB, no.

Ability to extend a play when the pocket breaks down, and run a boot leg for a 1st down or TD, yes.

 

Sounds a lot like a guy we had a few years ago.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Four2itus said:

Sarcasm on:

 

Too bad we don't have a young, mobile, dynamic QB like Lamar Jackson. I mean his stats against the Bills were.......

 

14/24 for 162 yds, 0 TD's and 1 INT

 

Old man Rivers stats against the Bills were........

 

27/46 for 309 yds, 2 TD's and 0 INT

 

Sarcasm off:

there is a difference between a mobile QB and a pure running QB like lamar and mike vick .  andrew luck was a mobile QB who was a pocket passer so is pat mahomes and wilson .   No one is saying pick a running QB who cannot throw out side the numbers and is a average passer .  People are saying get a pocket passer who if need be can run from pressure and throw on the run or scramble for a first down once in a while like luck did .

  • Like 5
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

Super Elite Mobile QB´s to do well in the Playoff.

 

Mahomes - MVP and Super Bowl Champ

 

Lamar - Concussion in a blow out loss (17-3), smashed by the titans last season (12-28) 

 

Russell Wilson - 1 super bowl win

 

RGIII - 1 playoff game = loss

 

Watson - 1-2 in the playoff

 

Michael Vick - 2-3 in the playoff 

 

Cam Newton - made it to the super bowl and got smashed by the Broncos

 

Meanwhile the immobile pocket passer that are getting devalued due to their lack of mobility:

 

Won 23 of the last 25 super bowls.

 

Brady 6

Big Ben 2

Manning 2

Eli Manning 2

Flacco 1

Brees 1

Foles 1

Brad Johnson 1

Trent Dilfer 1

Kurt Warner 1

Elway 2

Favre 1

Aikman 1

 

 

I would also take the immobile pocket passer ;) 

Elway was a mobile pocket passer so was steve young .

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

Elway was a mobile pocket passer so was steve young .

Lmao at Favre being immobile lol.

 

Big Ben was very mobile early on in his career.

 

Ppl hear mobile and online think we mean the Vick/Lamar Jackson of the world.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Lmao at Favre being immobile lol.

 

Big Ben was very mobile early on in his career.

 

Ppl hear mobile and online think we mean the Vick/Lamar Jackson of the world.

people dont understand what mobile means  i guess .  IF you want a mobile QB that means you want a pure running gimmick QB like hill with the saints .   andrew luck was a mobile QB and in many cases his mobility won us games on key 3rd downs running for firsts when the wrs could not get open or running from a trash o line and making throws on the run.  If watson was a pure pocket passer colts would have blown out texans by 40 points when we played them our defense dominated the line and a pocket passer would of been destroyed .     When you have to win 3 games in a row in the playoffs against elite defenses having a mobile QB would give you a huge advantage .how many times did the play break down in the playoff game with the bills and josh allen make a 50 yard pass on the run to keep it alive ?  if josh allen was a statue the bills would have only score 14 points the colts defensive line dominated the game and allen made key huge plays using his mobility to make huge throws .

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

people dont understand what mobile means  i guess .  IF you want a mobile QB that means you want a pure running gimmick QB like hill with the saints .   andrew luck was a mobile QB and in many cases his mobility won us games on key 3rd downs running for firsts when the wrs could not get open or running from a trash o line and making throws on the run.  If watson was a pure pocket passer colts would have blown out texans by 40 points when we played them our defense dominated the line and a pocket passer would of been destroyed .     When you have to win 3 games in a row in the playoffs against elite defenses having a mobile QB would give you a huge advantage .how many times did the play break down in the playoff game with the bills and josh allen make a 50 yard pass on the run to keep it alive ?  if josh allen was a statue the bills would have only score 14 points the colts defensive line dominated the game and allen made key huge plays using his mobility to make huge throws .

This is exactly it! I agree 100% with you.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, Four2itus said:

Sarcasm on:

 

Too bad we don't have a young, mobile, dynamic QB like Lamar Jackson. I mean his stats against the Bills were.......

 

14/24 for 162 yds, 0 TD's and 1 INT

 

Old man Rivers stats against the Bills were........

 

27/46 for 309 yds, 2 TD's and 0 INT

 

Sarcasm off:

 

Rivers LOST in the wild card round and went ONE & DONE.

 

Jackson WON in the wildcard round and his team ADVANCED. 

 

Winning is more important than stats and I'm sure Lamar Jackson out rushed Rivers. 

No doubt Rivers is the more accomplished passer and Lamar is light years a better runner, which is a major part of his game. 

 

I'm pretty sure neither one is happy today watching from home.

Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Rivers LOST in the wild card round and went ONE & DONE.

 

Jackson WON in the wildcard round and his team ADVANCED. 

 

Winning is more important than stats and I'm sure Lamar Jackson out rushed Rivers. 

No doubt Rivers is the more accomplished passer and Lamar is light years a better runner, which is a major part of his game. 

 

I'm pretty sure neither one is happy today watching from home.

Yeah Jackson won a game but is now in the concussion protocol. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Neither player is watching the game today.

 

Rivers is playing with his 9 kids, and Jackson is in concussion protocol, which means no phone, computer or TV for a few days.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

Super Elite Mobile QB´s to do well in the Playoff.

 

Mahomes - MVP and Super Bowl Champ

 

Lamar - Concussion in a blow out loss (17-3), smashed by the titans last season (12-28) 

 

Russell Wilson - 1 super bowl win

 

RGIII - 1 playoff game = loss

 

Watson - 1-2 in the playoff

 

Michael Vick - 2-3 in the playoff 

 

Cam Newton - made it to the super bowl and got smashed by the Broncos

 

Meanwhile the immobile pocket passer that are getting devalued due to their lack of mobility:

 

Won 23 of the last 25 super bowls.

 

Brady 6

Big Ben 2

Manning 2

Eli Manning 2

Flacco 1

Brees 1

Foles 1

Brad Johnson 1

Trent Dilfer 1

Kurt Warner 1

Elway 2

Favre 1

Aikman 1

 

 

I would also take the immobile pocket passer ;) 

not to quibble, but in his prime Elway was one of the more mobile QBs in the league, and in his prime Ben R had decent mobility (especially IN the pocket) as did Favre

 

the other guys were all basically statues, as you indicated

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Now Mahomes is in concussion protocol.   Will Allen be far behind?  He better sign his extension this off season before he's next.  Give me the classic pocket QB by far.  It's risk vs. reward. Watch the Ravens pay Jackson a boatload of money.  Glad it's not us.  

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

Now Mahomes is in concussion protocol.   Will Allen be far behind?  He better sign his extension this off season before he's next.  Give me the classic pocket QB by far.  It's risk vs. reward. Watch the Ravens pay Jackson a boatload of money.  Glad it's not us.  

I personally prefer the kind of run-first system Shanahan has at San Fran (but ideally with a better QB than Jimmy G)

Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Elway rushing stats were pretty consistent over the course of his career, except for 1992 and 1998, when he only started 12 games. His last two seasons:

 

1997 regular season 50 rushes 218 yards

playoffs 9 rushes 25 yards (4 games)

1998 regular season 37 rushes for 94 yards (12 games)

playoffs 9 rushes 34 yards (3 games)

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, King Colt said:

With two stud RBs next year if both stay healthy the Colts won't need a premier QB but a mobile on would be nice. 

We have Taylor.   Who is the other stud running back?

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/17/2021 at 5:37 PM, coming on strong said:

Elway was a mobile pocket passer so was steve young .

 

On 1/17/2021 at 5:41 PM, Mr.Debonair said:

Lmao at Favre being immobile lol.

 

Big Ben was very mobile early on in his career.

 

Ppl hear mobile and online think we mean the Vick/Lamar Jackson of the world.

There are too many problems with that list... 

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/16/2021 at 11:56 PM, richard pallo said:

I'll take the classic pocket QB all the time.  It's just a matter of time when these mobile running QB's get hurt.  Allen won't last long either.  I'll take the Rivers, Brady's, Brees , Rogers QB's all the time every day of the week.  

The mobile qb is way overrated. 

 

Mobile qbs get injured far more often than pocket passers. How often has Wentz been hurt ? How about the running play to Mahommes this weekend where he got a concussion. KC was lucky to win the game.

 

Mobile qbs are also sacked at twice the the rate of pocket passers too. Their Oline doesn't know where they are and they often "run into sacks". Getting sacked more often leads to more injury.

 

Then there's the "bootleg" argument. How often do qbs in the pros run bootlegs ? Once a blue moon or they run them and get out of bounds quickly so they are not crushed by fast linebackers. I never see more than one bootleg a game. This is not college where qbs run bootlegs constantly. 

 

What you really want is a qb that can move well in the pocket to buy time and get the pass off. Rivers does that fine. He was playing with a ruptured tendon in his foot that limited his movement. 

 

Oh but what if the play breaks down ? The pocket passer simply hits his checkdown.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Joe Montana could scramble but he wasn't that mobile either nor is Rivers and Rivers has had a Hall of Fame career. I will take winning over flashy all day. I like a QB that can change plays at the line, out smart the defense, and get the ball out quick. I probably feel like that because of Peyton.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I just want someone that can move and extend plays a little bit.   Guy like Baker is a good example. He isn’t super athletic but you can run bootlegs and he can throw on the run pretty well. He does just enough to extend plays.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/15/2021 at 9:06 PM, CR91 said:

 

The Packers game was more the run game and the second half defense. As far as the bills game goes, as good as Rivers played, the final drive to me was exactly why I can't trust Rivers. It was the same thing vs the jags the first time, the browns, and the Steelers. When the game needs to be won, he didn't make the play to win it. I love our defense and run game, but your QB needs to deliver when the game is on the line. I mean after the Pascal catch, we called a wr screen and two passes were thrown away. What was that? This team can compete for a super bowl. We have the talent, but not with the QBs everyone has mentioned. Wentz is a one season wonder, Stafford has never won a playoff game, and Rivers while would be a great coach, is not the right choice for us to win.

Are you being serious ? On the last drive in the bills game we had no timeouts.

 

Any deep completions over the middle of the field would have run out the clock. We were limited to quick sideline plays and the bills knew that and defended it well. There was no one open on the sidelines which is why Rivers threw it away.

 

If you want to blame someone blame Reich who wasted a timeout on the challenge. 

 

A timeout on the last drive would have made a huge difference in that Rivers could complete a deep ball over the middle of the field.

 

Then call your timeout. Let Rodrigo settle himself to make a routine kick. 

 

With a timeout we at least tie the game.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Are you being serious ? On the last drive in the bills game we had no timeouts.

 

Any deep completions over the middle of the field would have run out the clock. We were limited to quick sideline plays and the bills knew that and defended it well. There was no one open on the sidelines which is why Rivers threw it away.

 

If you want to blame someone blame Reich who wasted a timeout on the challenge. 

 

A timeout on the last drive would have made a huge difference in that Rivers could complete a deep ball over the middle of the field.

 

Then call your timeout. Let Rodrigo settle himself to make a routine kick. 

 

With a timeout we at least tie the game.

Yeah I addressed his post earlier and brought up Rivers came back vs GB and vs Cincy down big when they had Burrow. I give Rivers almost 0 blame for our playoff loss. Maybe 10% of the blame just because he didn't complete the comeback. The Turay offsides play was the worst IMO and missing a 33 yard FG is a close 2nd. That offsides play ended up giving them 7 instead of 3.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Are you being serious ? On the last drive in the bills game we had no timeouts.

 

Any deep completions over the middle of the field would have run out the clock. We were limited to quick sideline plays and the bills knew that and defended it well. There was no one open on the sidelines which is why Rivers threw it away.

 

If you want to blame someone blame Reich who wasted a timeout on the challenge. 

 

A timeout on the last drive would have made a huge difference in that Rivers could complete a deep ball over the middle of the field.

 

Then call your timeout. Let Rodrigo settle himself to make a routine kick. 

 

With a timeout we at least tie the game.

 

There was 19 seconds after the Pascal catch. Plenty of time

  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.


  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • They were never going to pick Lamar in 2018   Karl Joseph is a bench player and Fitzpatrick is much better than him anyways   Not sure what this post is getting after
    • They are likely kicking the can down the road, and the negative consequence is higher cap numbers for those players in future seasons, and greater cap penalties to move on from those players in future seasons. The thing is there's no much else they can do. they're set to be nearly $70m over the cap in 2021, and other than these restructures, they would not be able to get under the cap by the start of the new league year. They would have to cut or trade all of their highly paid players.
    • I feel the hype about Carl Lawson is from a combination of people who haven't really watched him play, and who overrate "pressures" by assuming that all pressures are equally disruptive.    Lawson is a tough, physical, high effort guy, he tackles well, plays the run reasonably well, he has decent size, and he would fit nicely as a DE for us. He's not a dynamic pass rusher, and I don't think he ever would be a dynamic pass rusher.   He has some quickness and speed, good speed to power, but he's not the kind of explosive pass rusher that blows up the other team's blocking schemes. He has below average bend and closing speed, and he takes a lot of steps, which explains his tragically poor three cone. He also has below average length, and gets neutralized by good blockers. This is all obvious on his tape, it was obvious on his college tape, and it's why he went in the 4th round.   TomDiggs mentioned Lawson's knockdowns/hits and hurries. PFF recorded six edge rushers with at least QB 15 hits; despite the fact that Lawson had 24 hits, he only had five sacks, which is the least sacks among those six players. In fact, there were ten edges with fewer than 15 QB hits, but with at least ten sacks. PFF has 24 edges with at least 30 pressures; Lawson had 34 hurries, but was tied for fifth fewest sacks among those 24 players. In fact, there were five edges with fewer hurries than Lawson, but at least ten sacks.   My point is that QB hits and pressures only show a player that manages to get near the QB at some point during the play. Without context, they don't necessarily show a player that makes a definite impact on the play. That's why I value PFF's pass rush productivity (PRP) stat, because sacks are weighted more heavily than hits and pressures. And that makes sense because a sack ends the play. A QB can be pressured, even hit, and still make a positive play. Recognizing a sack as nearly always a negative play for the offense, PRP shows the difference between a guy who gets near the QB, and a pass rusher who makes plays for the defense. Sometimes the overlap is not as great as you might think.   Lawson's PRP was 8.5, tied for #18, well separated from guys like Bosa (10.6) and Watt (9.7). In general, a player with a bunch of total pressures, but low sack numbers, like Lawson, is a guy who gets a bunch of pass rush snaps but doesn't have the length, bend and closing speed to get home often enough. This is why guys like Trey Hendrickson and Leonard Floyd can have a third fewer total pressures, but twice as many sacks as Lawson (Hendrickson also had 80 fewer pass rush snaps). And Lawson gets a ton of pass rush snaps because he plays for a bad team with no other good edge rushers, so as long as he's healthy he'll have a lot of pressures, but he'll probably never be a big sack guy.   He's Trey Flowers. Better 40, same agility, not as long, mid level edge rusher who is well rounded and a good guy to have on your team, but not a dominant pass rusher. I can't see offering him $14m/year to not sack the QB. Any projection that has him as a big time sack guy is unrealistic, IMO.
    • It's nice to see Pittman, Smith and Okereke get some love.
    • Did I misread your post?   Did you not say you were in favor of moving Nelson to LT?   That if we’re going to pay him top dollar, it would be better to do it with him as our LT instead of at LG?    That wasn’t you?    I’m sorry, I thought that’s what I responded to.... 
  • Members

    • Roosarioo

      Roosarioo 1

      Rookie
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Colt Overseas

      Colt Overseas 559

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • kornstar

      kornstar 137

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • bestQBever

      bestQBever 584

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • tvturner

      tvturner 291

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Solon

      Solon 94

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
×
×
  • Create New...