Without a Franchise QB - The window is Closing for the Colts

[Krushinator 10]

39 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You probably misunderstood my post because I want Rivers back but I just would like to see Eason play just to see if he has anything. It is a mystery, hopefully we have a pre-season this upcoming year.

Gotcha, I think Rivers coming back is the smartest and safest move. Ideally Eason could be the #2 and get preseason/junk time snaps. This team needs a WR threat, it did not come close to having one last season. I think Pittman was solid, but he wasn’t a game changer by any stretch of the imagination. If Eason comes along getting #2 snaps then he should be given the chance to start the following year.

[coming on strong 1,154]

On 1/15/2021 at 4:19 PM, jvan1973 said:

Eason isn't winning a superbowl next year

would you rather get him started faster or waste another year ?   If i thought we had a legit super bowl chance with a veteran i would take it , but if not you start the young QB.   Sitting has its benefits but he still needs to play , he is gonna need at least 2 or 3 years starting to be great if he is gonna be great.  i would rather get started right away so by the time he is great our core of leonard nelson smith and others are still here and in their prime . they have 5 years left of prime sitting eason next year and then needing him to play another 2 or 3 years is pushing it and will require another small rebuild to be champs .   

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In today's nfl when you have a QB on the rookie contract is the best time to be champs .   Sitting eason for 2 or 3 years can waste his small contract .

[Four2itus 5,021]

Sarcasm on:

 

Too bad we don't have a young, mobile, dynamic QB like Lamar Jackson. I mean his stats against the Bills were.......

 

14/24 for 162 yds, 0 TD's and 1 INT

 

Old man Rivers stats against the Bills were........

 

27/46 for 309 yds, 2 TD's and 0 INT

 

Sarcasm off:

[richard pallo 2,780]

Just now, Four2itus said:

Sarcasm on:

 

Too bad we don't have a young, mobile, dynamic QB like Lamar Jackson. I mean his stats against the Bills were.......

 

14/24 for 162 yds, 0 TD's and 1 INT

 

Old man Rivers stats against the Bills were........

 

27/46 for 309 yds, 2 TD's and 0 INT

 

Sarcasm off:

I'll take the classic pocket QB all the time.  It's just a matter of time when these mobile running QB's get hurt.  Allen won't last long either.  I'll take the Rivers, Brady's, Brees , Rogers QB's all the time every day of the week.  

[Krushinator 10]

8 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I'll take the classic pocket QB all the time.  It's just a matter of time when these mobile running QB's get hurt.  Allen won't last long either.  I'll take the Rivers, Brady's, Brees , Rogers QB's all the time every day of the week.  

To be fair, Rogers is pretty mobile for a pocket passer.

[richard pallo 2,780]

4 minutes ago, Krushinator said:

To be fair, Rogers is pretty mobile for a pocket passer.

Still a pocket passer.  Forgot Peyton. 

[Stephen 1,871]

26 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Still a pocket passer.  Forgot Peyton. 

Jackson  isn't  a good passer.

Just now, Stephen said:

Jackson  isn't  a good passer.

If he could pass better with his mobility  he'd be  untouchable 

[ThorstenDenmark 225]

Super Elite Mobile QB´s to do well in the Playoff.

 

Mahomes - MVP and Super Bowl Champ

 

Lamar - Concussion in a blow out loss (17-3), smashed by the titans last season (12-28) 

 

Russell Wilson - 1 super bowl win

 

RGIII - 1 playoff game = loss

 

Watson - 1-2 in the playoff

 

Michael Vick - 2-3 in the playoff 

 

Cam Newton - made it to the super bowl and got smashed by the Broncos

 

Meanwhile the immobile pocket passer that are getting devalued due to their lack of mobility:

 

Won 23 of the last 25 super bowls.

 

Brady 6

Big Ben 2

Manning 2

Eli Manning 2

Flacco 1

Brees 1

Foles 1

Brad Johnson 1

Trent Dilfer 1

Kurt Warner 1

Elway 2

Favre 1

Aikman 1

 

7 hours ago, richard pallo said:

I'll take the classic pocket QB all the time.  It's just a matter of time when these mobile running QB's get hurt.  Allen won't last long either.  I'll take the Rivers, Brady's, Brees , Rogers QB's all the time every day of the week.  

 

I would also take the immobile pocket passer ;) 

[Nickster 870]

I’m with you for the most part.   Steve Young would go in the super mobile category and so would Kapernick.

 

I think mobility is a luxury item.  Guys like Rodgers, young, Wilson, Mahomes enhance their games with it, but it’s not necessary as the popular narrative goes IMO.

 

moblie QB is a political buzzword IMO.

 

The key for great QBing, assuming there is adequate NFL arm strength, is reading and reacting from the pocket. These attributes are  hard to quantify and that is why QB drafting is such a crapshoot.

Mobility=luxury item.  Not necessary but can enhance.

 

[coltsva 1,774]

Running QB, no.

Ability to extend a play when the pocket breaks down, and run a boot leg for a 1st down or TD, yes.

 

Sounds a lot like a guy we had a few years ago.

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10 hours ago, Four2itus said:

Sarcasm on:

 

Too bad we don't have a young, mobile, dynamic QB like Lamar Jackson. I mean his stats against the Bills were.......

 

14/24 for 162 yds, 0 TD's and 1 INT

 

Old man Rivers stats against the Bills were........

 

27/46 for 309 yds, 2 TD's and 0 INT

 

Sarcasm off:

there is a difference between a mobile QB and a pure running QB like lamar and mike vick .  andrew luck was a mobile QB who was a pocket passer so is pat mahomes and wilson .   No one is saying pick a running QB who cannot throw out side the numbers and is a average passer .  People are saying get a pocket passer who if need be can run from pressure and throw on the run or scramble for a first down once in a while like luck did .

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3 hours ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

Super Elite Mobile QB´s to do well in the Playoff.

 

Mahomes - MVP and Super Bowl Champ

 

Lamar - Concussion in a blow out loss (17-3), smashed by the titans last season (12-28) 

 

Russell Wilson - 1 super bowl win

 

RGIII - 1 playoff game = loss

 

Watson - 1-2 in the playoff

 

Michael Vick - 2-3 in the playoff 

 

Cam Newton - made it to the super bowl and got smashed by the Broncos

 

Meanwhile the immobile pocket passer that are getting devalued due to their lack of mobility:

 

Won 23 of the last 25 super bowls.

 

Brady 6

Big Ben 2

Manning 2

Eli Manning 2

Flacco 1

Brees 1

Foles 1

Brad Johnson 1

Trent Dilfer 1

Kurt Warner 1

Elway 2

Favre 1

Aikman 1

 

 

I would also take the immobile pocket passer ;) 

Elway was a mobile pocket passer so was steve young .

[Mr.Debonair 1,722]

2 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

Elway was a mobile pocket passer so was steve young .

Lmao at Favre being immobile lol.

 

Big Ben was very mobile early on in his career.

 

Ppl hear mobile and online think we mean the Vick/Lamar Jackson of the world.

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1 minute ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Lmao at Favre being immobile lol.

 

Big Ben was very mobile early on in his career.

 

Ppl hear mobile and online think we mean the Vick/Lamar Jackson of the world.

people dont understand what mobile means  i guess .  IF you want a mobile QB that means you want a pure running gimmick QB like hill with the saints .   andrew luck was a mobile QB and in many cases his mobility won us games on key 3rd downs running for firsts when the wrs could not get open or running from a trash o line and making throws on the run.  If watson was a pure pocket passer colts would have blown out texans by 40 points when we played them our defense dominated the line and a pocket passer would of been destroyed .     When you have to win 3 games in a row in the playoffs against elite defenses having a mobile QB would give you a huge advantage .how many times did the play break down in the playoff game with the bills and josh allen make a 50 yard pass on the run to keep it alive ?  if josh allen was a statue the bills would have only score 14 points the colts defensive line dominated the game and allen made key huge plays using his mobility to make huge throws .

[Mr.Debonair 1,722]

3 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

people dont understand what mobile means  i guess .  IF you want a mobile QB that means you want a pure running gimmick QB like hill with the saints .   andrew luck was a mobile QB and in many cases his mobility won us games on key 3rd downs running for firsts when the wrs could not get open or running from a trash o line and making throws on the run.  If watson was a pure pocket passer colts would have blown out texans by 40 points when we played them our defense dominated the line and a pocket passer would of been destroyed .     When you have to win 3 games in a row in the playoffs against elite defenses having a mobile QB would give you a huge advantage .how many times did the play break down in the playoff game with the bills and josh allen make a 50 yard pass on the run to keep it alive ?  if josh allen was a statue the bills would have only score 14 points the colts defensive line dominated the game and allen made key huge plays using his mobility to make huge throws .

This is exactly it! I agree 100% with you.

[LJpalmbeacher2 1,949]

14 hours ago, Four2itus said:

Sarcasm on:

 

Too bad we don't have a young, mobile, dynamic QB like Lamar Jackson. I mean his stats against the Bills were.......

 

14/24 for 162 yds, 0 TD's and 1 INT

 

Old man Rivers stats against the Bills were........

 

27/46 for 309 yds, 2 TD's and 0 INT

 

Sarcasm off:

 

Rivers LOST in the wild card round and went ONE & DONE.

 

Jackson WON in the wildcard round and his team ADVANCED. 

 

Winning is more important than stats and I'm sure Lamar Jackson out rushed Rivers. 

No doubt Rivers is the more accomplished passer and Lamar is light years a better runner, which is a major part of his game. 

 

I'm pretty sure neither one is happy today watching from home.

[crazycolt1 7,556]

14 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Rivers LOST in the wild card round and went ONE & DONE.

 

Jackson WON in the wildcard round and his team ADVANCED. 

 

Winning is more important than stats and I'm sure Lamar Jackson out rushed Rivers. 

No doubt Rivers is the more accomplished passer and Lamar is light years a better runner, which is a major part of his game. 

 

I'm pretty sure neither one is happy today watching from home.

Yeah Jackson won a game but is now in the concussion protocol. 

[DownHillRunner 405]

On 1/10/2021 at 3:04 AM, Patrick Miller said:

What is Jacob Eason? chopped liver? I wonder if this guy has a chance to start?

 

Not chop liver, but he's a 4th round project Quarterback with a lot of question marks. 

[coltsva 1,774]

Neither player is watching the game today.

 

Rivers is playing with his 9 kids, and Jackson is in concussion protocol, which means no phone, computer or TV for a few days.

 

[poilucelt 185]

9 hours ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

Super Elite Mobile QB´s to do well in the Playoff.

 

Mahomes - MVP and Super Bowl Champ

 

Lamar - Concussion in a blow out loss (17-3), smashed by the titans last season (12-28) 

 

Russell Wilson - 1 super bowl win

 

RGIII - 1 playoff game = loss

 

Watson - 1-2 in the playoff

 

Michael Vick - 2-3 in the playoff 

 

Cam Newton - made it to the super bowl and got smashed by the Broncos

 

Meanwhile the immobile pocket passer that are getting devalued due to their lack of mobility:

 

Won 23 of the last 25 super bowls.

 

Brady 6

Big Ben 2

Manning 2

Eli Manning 2

Flacco 1

Brees 1

Foles 1

Brad Johnson 1

Trent Dilfer 1

Kurt Warner 1

Elway 2

Favre 1

Aikman 1

 

 

I would also take the immobile pocket passer ;) 

not to quibble, but in his prime Elway was one of the more mobile QBs in the league, and in his prime Ben R had decent mobility (especially IN the pocket) as did Favre

 

the other guys were all basically statues, as you indicated

[richard pallo 2,780]

Now Mahomes is in concussion protocol.   Will Allen be far behind?  He better sign his extension this off season before he's next.  Give me the classic pocket QB by far.  It's risk vs. reward. Watch the Ravens pay Jackson a boatload of money.  Glad it's not us.  

[poilucelt 185]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

Now Mahomes is in concussion protocol.   Will Allen be far behind?  He better sign his extension this off season before he's next.  Give me the classic pocket QB by far.  It's risk vs. reward. Watch the Ravens pay Jackson a boatload of money.  Glad it's not us.  

I personally prefer the kind of run-first system Shanahan has at San Fran (but ideally with a better QB than Jimmy G)

[pacolts56 3,910]

11 hours ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Lmao at Favre being immobile lol.

 

He was mobile ....but all too often his gunslinger’s balls got the best of him....

 

 

[Nickster 870]

21 hours ago, coming on strong said:

Elway was a mobile pocket passer so was steve young .

Elway was a statue when they won super bowls though.

[coltsva 1,774]

 

Elway rushing stats were pretty consistent over the course of his career, except for 1992 and 1998, when he only started 12 games. His last two seasons:

 

1997 regular season 50 rushes 218 yards

playoffs 9 rushes 25 yards (4 games)

1998 regular season 37 rushes for 94 yards (12 games)

playoffs 9 rushes 34 yards (3 games)

 

[King Colt 957]

With two stud RBs next year if both stay healthy the Colts won't need a premier QB but a mobile on would be nice. 

[jvan1973 5,473]

28 minutes ago, King Colt said:

With two stud RBs next year if both stay healthy the Colts won't need a premier QB but a mobile on would be nice. 

We have Taylor.   Who is the other stud running back?

[stitches 8,387]

On 1/17/2021 at 5:37 PM, coming on strong said:

Elway was a mobile pocket passer so was steve young .

 

On 1/17/2021 at 5:41 PM, Mr.Debonair said:

Lmao at Favre being immobile lol.

 

Big Ben was very mobile early on in his career.

 

Ppl hear mobile and online think we mean the Vick/Lamar Jackson of the world.

There are too many problems with that list... 

[PRnum1 295]

On 1/16/2021 at 11:56 PM, richard pallo said:

I'll take the classic pocket QB all the time.  It's just a matter of time when these mobile running QB's get hurt.  Allen won't last long either.  I'll take the Rivers, Brady's, Brees , Rogers QB's all the time every day of the week.  

The mobile qb is way overrated. 

 

Mobile qbs get injured far more often than pocket passers. How often has Wentz been hurt ? How about the running play to Mahommes this weekend where he got a concussion. KC was lucky to win the game.

 

Mobile qbs are also sacked at twice the the rate of pocket passers too. Their Oline doesn't know where they are and they often "run into sacks". Getting sacked more often leads to more injury.

 

Then there's the "bootleg" argument. How often do qbs in the pros run bootlegs ? Once a blue moon or they run them and get out of bounds quickly so they are not crushed by fast linebackers. I never see more than one bootleg a game. This is not college where qbs run bootlegs constantly. 

 

What you really want is a qb that can move well in the pocket to buy time and get the pass off. Rivers does that fine. He was playing with a ruptured tendon in his foot that limited his movement. 

 

Oh but what if the play breaks down ? The pocket passer simply hits his checkdown.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,272]

If you have a QB that gets the ball out quick and at least a good O.Line, you don't need a mobile QB. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning debunk the mobile QB theory, they are arguably the 2 best that have ever done it.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,272]

Joe Montana could scramble but he wasn't that mobile either nor is Rivers and Rivers has had a Hall of Fame career. I will take winning over flashy all day. I like a QB that can change plays at the line, out smart the defense, and get the ball out quick. I probably feel like that because of Peyton.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,272]

I would take Watson though because IMO he is a good passer along with the running. Give him our O.Line he would be unreal.

[Wentzszn 10,011]

I just want someone that can move and extend plays a little bit.   Guy like Baker is a good example. He isn’t super athletic but you can run bootlegs and he can throw on the run pretty well. He does just enough to extend plays.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,272]

ESPN talking about Watson and maybe going to the Jets. Why in the hell would he want to play there, they stink  . Not only that they would have to give up a ton to get him. It would be like playing in Houston but in the cold 

[PRnum1 295]

On 1/15/2021 at 9:06 PM, CR91 said:

 

The Packers game was more the run game and the second half defense. As far as the bills game goes, as good as Rivers played, the final drive to me was exactly why I can't trust Rivers. It was the same thing vs the jags the first time, the browns, and the Steelers. When the game needs to be won, he didn't make the play to win it. I love our defense and run game, but your QB needs to deliver when the game is on the line. I mean after the Pascal catch, we called a wr screen and two passes were thrown away. What was that? This team can compete for a super bowl. We have the talent, but not with the QBs everyone has mentioned. Wentz is a one season wonder, Stafford has never won a playoff game, and Rivers while would be a great coach, is not the right choice for us to win.

Are you being serious ? On the last drive in the bills game we had no timeouts.

 

Any deep completions over the middle of the field would have run out the clock. We were limited to quick sideline plays and the bills knew that and defended it well. There was no one open on the sidelines which is why Rivers threw it away.

 

If you want to blame someone blame Reich who wasted a timeout on the challenge. 

 

A timeout on the last drive would have made a huge difference in that Rivers could complete a deep ball over the middle of the field.

 

Then call your timeout. Let Rodrigo settle himself to make a routine kick. 

 

With a timeout we at least tie the game.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,272]

3 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Are you being serious ? On the last drive in the bills game we had no timeouts.

 

Any deep completions over the middle of the field would have run out the clock. We were limited to quick sideline plays and the bills knew that and defended it well. There was no one open on the sidelines which is why Rivers threw it away.

 

If you want to blame someone blame Reich who wasted a timeout on the challenge. 

 

A timeout on the last drive would have made a huge difference in that Rivers could complete a deep ball over the middle of the field.

 

Then call your timeout. Let Rodrigo settle himself to make a routine kick. 

 

With a timeout we at least tie the game.

Yeah I addressed his post earlier and brought up Rivers came back vs GB and vs Cincy down big when they had Burrow. I give Rivers almost 0 blame for our playoff loss. Maybe 10% of the blame just because he didn't complete the comeback. The Turay offsides play was the worst IMO and missing a 33 yard FG is a close 2nd. That offsides play ended up giving them 7 instead of 3.

[CR91 6,917]

20 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

Are you being serious ? On the last drive in the bills game we had no timeouts.

 

Any deep completions over the middle of the field would have run out the clock. We were limited to quick sideline plays and the bills knew that and defended it well. There was no one open on the sidelines which is why Rivers threw it away.

 

If you want to blame someone blame Reich who wasted a timeout on the challenge. 

 

A timeout on the last drive would have made a huge difference in that Rivers could complete a deep ball over the middle of the field.

 

Then call your timeout. Let Rodrigo settle himself to make a routine kick. 

 

With a timeout we at least tie the game.

 

There was 19 seconds after the Pascal catch. Plenty of time

[NannyMcafee 1,694]

The only time you want a mobile QB is if his arm is more talented than his legs. 

[CR91 6,917]

@jvan1973 you're telling me we can't complete a pass in the middle of the field, get up, and spike the ball in under 19 seconds?