Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Rivers fate (Merge)


danlhart87
 Share

Recommended Posts

6 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

It wasn’t all on  rivers. It was a combination of everyone. Putting all the blame on Reich is dumb.

It is on reich. Don’t challenge a play if you haven’t even reviewed  it yet on the big board or got the call from someone up top to challenge it.. he challenged it without even looking at it.. he went for it on 4th and 4? We lost by 3. This fool actually went for 2pts when we would have been down by 7 if he would kick the extra point lol. I’m blaming Frank

  • Sad 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Indyfan4life said:

I have ZERO interest in Stafford or Wentz coming to Indy. If we don’t manage to somehow snag Rodgers or Watson, then I want Jones in the draft. 

Jones is my top option

31 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

People need to stop judging Mac Jones before he's even played a down in the NFL.

 

The history of bad QBs from Alabama has little value right now. You can say all day that Jones has rock stars around him but he also has several great traits about him.

 

He's not gonna be a QB thats gonna pick up a lot of yards running but he is extremely accurate which i think will be key for him.

 

I honestly think Mac will one of the best in this class 

@Indyfan4life

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Five dropped passes. Some of those were side open. 

Pass catchers drop passers every game. And I hate it.

 

Coaches don't always leave 3 or ground on a 4th and 4, or go for 2 when it's not necessary. Or use their smallest RB instead of their PFF's rook of the year beast.... 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, DiogoSales said:

For me was a close great game.

 

Time/timeout management was not great, that's Reich.

WR/RB dropped passes, that's execution.

 

Other than that, we play a great team with a great QB and Defense played great. Let's move without trying to fire everybody that got us here.

 

WR for me is the weakest group of this team, it was clear  today.

We need to find a game breaking WR. Campbell could of been a difference maker today. All our WR seem to have to be schemed open. We need someone who can just get open on their own.  Really glad to see Doyle still has it.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Chloe6124 said:

We need to find a game breaking WR. Campbell could of been a difference maker today. All our WR seem to have to be schemed open. We need someone who can just get open on their own.  Really glad to see Doyle still has it.

Doyle and MAC just saved us several times, just us our RBs, otherwise this game would get out of hand earlier. 

 

Let's be honest, we have Pittman (still learning) and nothing else trustable

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

dream world. 

 

he was clutch. 

 

he was like 6-9 on third down until late in the game, and they were some big 3rd downs, if he had TOs to work with, he could have done a lot more.

Yeah, not having any time outs really limited play calling in that last drive. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

I have ZERO interest in Stafford or Wentz coming to Indy. If we don’t manage to somehow snag Rodgers or Watson, then I want Jones in the draft. 


I get the pass on Wentz. But Stafford? He’d be an elite QB behind this line.

 

No thanks to a rookie QB. Too close to being a SB contender to go with a rook. Can’t waste a year of Buckner, Leonard, Nelson being in their prime.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, DiogoSales said:

Doyle and MAC just saved us several times, just us our RBs, otherwise this game would get out of hand earlier. 

 

Let's be honest, we have Pittman (still learning) and nothing else trustable

Pittman seemed to catch a few balls today we haven’t seen this year. I just think he will be a great 2. Just don’t know if he will be that game breaking one.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would like to say, no matter what happens, we are truly lucky that we had Rivers play for us this year. He may not have been the answer, time will tell, but the way he competed, the way he carried himself, and the way he led this team has my eternal gratitude. No matter what Phil, you are a true and bona fide Colt in my book.

Captain America Ok GIF

  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, TheNextGM said:


I get the pass on Wentz. But Stafford? He’d be an elite QB behind this line.

 

No thanks to a rookie QB. Too close to being a SB contender to go with a rook. Can’t waste a year of Buckner, Leonard, Nelson being in their prime.

The only way a rookie would be good is bring Rivers back. Then the new QB could have some plays in games to get experience while adding another dimension.  They could compliment rivers next season. Kind of what Reich wanted to do with Jacoby. Jacoby is just to slow.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, StatesmanN said:

Allen won the game because of his scrambling and his ability to throw with RPM/Spin and on the run.

 

There is no GM in the history of the game that would trade Allen for Rivers.  Rivers is a game manager.

 

Period.  He cannot win a game by himself. 

 

And that is all we are talking about.  What gives you the best chance to win the SB.

Plus I have seen 20 years of Rivers.  He is what he is.

Your arguing a false premise. Nobody is saying Allen isn't a better QB currently, or any GM would take Rivers over Allen.

 

What is true today though, is....

1. Rivers had a better QBR than Allen, and did that on the road.

2. Rivers is likely the best option for 2021 Colts (Allen is not an option for the Colts).

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Chloe6124 said:

Pittman seemed to catch a few balls today we haven’t seen this year. I just think he will be a great 2. Just don’t know if he will be that game breaking one.

 

Agreed, I gave up too early on JT, hope I'm making the same mistake on Pitt, but he does not look like it's going to become our Digg's.

 

Need to find a Kennan Allen for us.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Look we have different opinions. Yes Reich can be better but this was not all on him. Way to many mistakes by everyone.  We also punted a lot even after crossing the 50 so it wasn’t even all red zone.

Step back, look at all the information.... 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, EastStreet said:

Your arguing a false premise. Nobody is saying Allen isn't a better QB currently, or any GM would take Rivers over Allen.

 

What is true today though, is....

1. Rivers had a better QBR than Allen, and did that on the road.

2. Rivers is likely the best option for 2021 Colts (Allen is not an option for the Colts).

 

 

Can we give like 10 picks for Watson? We would be unstoppable.

 

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, TheNextGM said:


I get the pass on Wentz. But Stafford? He’d be an elite QB behind this line.

 

No thanks to a rookie QB. Too close to being a SB contender to go with a rook. Can’t waste a year of Buckner, Leonard, Nelson being in their prime.

Stafford is not elite. Megatron bailed him out so many times, and since retirement, he’s not been the same player. I don’t want him. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, DiogoSales said:

 

Agreed, I gave up too early on JT, hope I'm making the same mistake on Pitt, but he does not look like it's going to become our Digg's.

 

Need to find a Kennan Allen for us.

I think five we had a QB that  pushed things down the field more TY would probably would still show he has it. We just don’t throw it deep much. We cant rely on Campbell staying healthy.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, DiogoSales said:

 

Agreed, I gave up too early on JT, hope I'm making the same mistake on Pitt, but he does not look like it's going to become our Digg's.

 

Need to find a Kennan Allen for us.

We already have a Keenan Allen.   He’s on the team.

 

Rookie Michael Pittman.   He was drafted to fill that spot.  You’ll see more of him next year.   

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, EastStreet said:

Folks like @Chloe6124 are like, "what 3rd down (or 4th) conversion"

It's so easy for folks to just overlook how good he was today.

I never said he was bad. But have to be honest that he does limit us in some ways. I am not blaming this on him. I am saying it was everyone. Everyone contribute to this loss.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, DontEverGiveUp said:

Let's hope he doesn't retire.  But if he does, I like your assessment.

 

Wentz should be a big hell no.

It could legitimately destroy the team if Colts went after Wentz this offseason 

2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

We already have a Keenan Allen.   He’s on the team.

 

Rookie Michael Pittman.   He was drafted to fill that spot.  You’ll see more of him next year.   

who

  • Confused 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, StatesmanN said:

Does anyone have any confidence in Rivers on the last drive of the game and the Colts need a fg or TD to win or even tie?

 

I don't.

 

And if that is the answer?

 

You need a new qb.

Basically.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

We already have a Keenan Allen.   He’s on the team.

 

Rookie Michael Pittman.   He was drafted to fill that spot.  You’ll see more of him next year.   

Hope you're right, we need a big nr 1 WR.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Looking at the schedule next year... 

 

Ballard is gonna have to think this through. I like Rivers all right, he did what I thought he'd do, he played WAY better than JB, but...

 

Stafford would be a serious upgrade, the likes of going from JB to Rivers. You could talk me into that being the safest bet to get better. 

 

We all want the future too, but that's not easy to do.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

I never said he was bad. But have to be honest that he does limit us in some ways. I am not blaming this on him. I am saying it was everyone. Everyone contribute to this loss.

 

list all the bad plays and calls. ask yourself which are acceptable in a general game... and tell me who is most culpable. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, EastStreet said:

Only want if Diva portion is left behind...

 

Impossible not to be mad at the way the Texans wasted this generation (Watt, Hopkins, Watsons, Mercillus). I can understand the Diva show, it's not like "I want my helmet" stuff.. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

Looking at the schedule next year... 

 

Ballard is gonna have to think this through. I like Rivers all right, he did what I thought he'd do, he played WAY better than JB, but...

 

Stafford would be a serious upgrade, the likes of going from JB to Rivers. You could talk me into that being the safest bet to get better. 

 

We all want the future too, but that's not easy to do.

We played Detroit....

Rivers QBR          82

Stafford QBR       28

 

I like Stafford, but it's not like he's a no brainer over Rivers, nor is he the most mobile guy which is what some folks are whining about.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, DiogoSales said:

Hope you're right, we need a big nr 1 WR.

Well...   he’s nearly 6’4” and weighs 223.  Runs a tick under 4.5.   Runs good routs and has hood hands.

 

Will he ever be Keenan Allen good?   Dunno?

 

But the Colts liked him enough to select him with the 34th overall pick, the 2nd pick in the 2nd round. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, DiogoSales said:

 

Impossible not to be mad at the way the Texans wasted this generation (Watt, Hopkins, Watsons, Mercillus). I can understand the Diva show, it's not like "I want my helmet" stuff.. 

Sorry, I don't like the Houston front office, or the divas in the locker room.

 

I'm tired of "I'm special" and "my voice must be head"... stuff.

 

It's football. Go make a play. Entertain your fanbase while you're making 30+M

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, DontEverGiveUp said:

No, the fans need to see.  They know better than the coaches and managers, obviously.

To listen to some, you’d think that was the case.  To heck with the people whose job it is to run the team.  We fans need to decide who plays, who sits, who stays, who goes!

 

I mean, I’d like a chance to see Eason play as much as anybody else.  But it’s not as if he hasn’t been working out and practicing in the sight of our coaches and personnel guys for 8 months or so.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, EastStreet said:

Sorry, I don't like the Houston front office, or the divas in the locker room.

 

I'm tired of "I'm special" and "my voice must be head"... stuff.

 

It's football. Go make a play. Entertain your fanbase while you're making 30+M

There's more to the game than just a big paycheck. Watson wants a SB and won't get it in Houston 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • w87r changed the title to Rivers fate (Merge)

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.


  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Well I was at the game and yes it was very wet and at times windy.   1. The o-line is finally starting to gel. Wentz was hardly moved off his spot and even when he was, he was able to move up the pocket or take off.   2. The offense is starting to form an identity. Taylor is finally getting the bulk of work which makes the RPOs and PA that much more effective.   3. Leonard is a monster. It really is so much different watching him make plays up close. It's so fast and the accuracy to punch the ball out is insane.   4. Pass rush still needs work. At times, Jimmy G was just chilling back there like the Deebo TD and it really is annoying to see our secondary get torched because we can't get the QB even uncomfortable like alone pressured.   5. Misdirection is still an issue. Every time Jimmy G rolled out, it was completed for like 10+ yards. That's not good especially when that's basically all Tannerhill does.
    • KC will be a playoff team IMO.   But regardless of their inconsistent play so far, they are still a top 5 offense. And TEN shut them down.    Also, Mahomes got hurt in the 2nd half when they were already down 27-3.
    • Remember….   At Michigan, Kwity was mostly in a 4-point stance.  Not ideal for pass rushing.   Plus,  I believe he was in a read and react defense.  That naturally slows down any pass rusher.   The Colts have put him in a more natural (for the RDE position) 3-point stance.   And we’ve basically told him to think pass rush first.  That should give Kwity a more natural higher ceiling than 4-6 sacks per year.   I’m not talking his rookie year, I’m talking over his career.   I would think his floor would be 6-8 sacks, but that he’ll be capable of more.   With a possible ceiling of double digits in his best years.   
    • That's fair, but the way I see it Rivers is like a minivan. Durable, reliable, and gets you from point A to point B. Unfortunately, its also slow and boring. Wentz is a sports car. Fast, flashy, attractive, but can get you in trouble if you're not careful. So it really comes down what you're comfortable with in terms of style of play.  
  • Members

    • richard pallo

      richard pallo 3,422

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • FRW

      FRW 153

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • jmac_48

      jmac_48 420

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Btown_Colt

      Btown_Colt 532

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • PRnum1

      PRnum1 546

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • bsteves

      bsteves 178

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Nesjan3

      Nesjan3 804

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • ar7

      ar7 390

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • CR91

      CR91 7,912

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • IndyEric07

      IndyEric07 297

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
×
×
  • Create New...