Qb for next year/QB class of 2021 (merge)

[danlhart87 8,676]

2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

If you can give, AND maintain a top 10 OL and RBs for his career, and at least top 10 pass catchers to start, I'd like his chances.

That's a tall ask given the built in deficiencies that won't go away.

Lucky for us Colts have Ballard who has done a great job building this team

[CR91 6,939]

5 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Eli and Peyton were next level "read" and anticipate guys. Peyton had the better gun, but Eli was right there with the head. Peyton had more slinger to him too. Putting Jones in that company is a bit...... 

 

I didn't say he read defenses like that. I was referring to his game and arm talent.

[danlhart87 8,676]

2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

If you can give, AND maintain a top 10 OL and RBs for his career, and at least top 10 pass catchers to start, I'd like his chances.

That's a tall ask given the built in deficiencies that won't go away.

Lucky for us Colts have Ballard who has done a great job building this team

[EastStreet 9,879]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

I didn't say he read defenses like that. I was referring to his game and arm talent.

Eli had better arm talent by a good amount. Jones had 10x the talent Eli had around him as far as "game" is concerned. 

Eli averaged 3000+ plus for 3 years at lowly Ole Miss. Jones had one terrific year with the best players and coaches in the universe. 

6 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Lucky for us Colts have Ballard who has done a great job building this team

sigh

[CR91 6,939]

4 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Eli had better arm talent by a good amount. Jones had 10x the talent Eli had around him as far as "game" is concerned. 

Eli averaged 3000+ plus for 3 years at lowly Ole Miss. Jones had one terrific year with the best players and coaches in the universe. 

 

You rather I compare him to Rivers. Same thing basically.

[EastStreet 9,879]

9 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

You rather I compare him to Rivers. Same thing basically.

Rivers would be a better comp in terms of mobility and arm strength, but Rivers had next level read/anticipation back then, had bad talent around him at NCS, and averaged 3000+ for 4 years.

 

Not at all the same. Eli and Rivers might be OK comps to each other, but comparing Jones to either is a no go.

[jvan1973 5,484]

10 hours ago, Hoose said:

Two things to keep in mind: 1) Houston isn’t trading Watson to any AFC team, let alone one in its division; and 2) Detroit won’t trade Stafford to a NFC team. So, IMO, this topic ought to focus on the possible, not the fantasy. Stafford could very easily be traded to the Colts for their #1 this year and a future pick. And it would be worth it, because right now the Colts are in QB purgatory, and Stafford is better than the alternatives. Eason may one day be the answer. But you CANNOT go into next season relying on either him, Jacoby or a rookie draft pick.  A move like this for Stafford  is now crucial given the retirement of Rivers. Look for it or something similar to happen. 

I wouldn't say trading for Stafford could happen "easily"  They aren't trading him unless they get someone they feel is a better option.   If they can't,   they won't trade him

[danlhart87 8,676]

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/1/21/22236664/2021-nfl-draft-btsc-big-board-quarterbacks-trevor-lawrence-justin-fields-nfl-news-update

 

I 100% agree with Jones assessment! I currently have him as 1 - 2 tweener in the NFL Draft too.

[danlhart87 8,676]

https://www.sportscasting.com/mac-jones-could-have-a-better-rookie-season-than-trevor-lawrence-and-justin-fields-if-a-mock-draft-proves-to-be-true/

 

[Wentzszn 10,031]

You guys should go watch Reece Fountains  instagram  stories. He has videos of some of the practices and the scrimmage they had LOS. Eason omg. 

[danlhart87 8,676]

Just now, Chloe6124 said:

You guys should go watch Reece Fountains  instagram  stories. He has videos of some of the practices and the scrimmage they had LOS. Eason omg. 

[Colt.45 371]

4 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

You guys should go watch Reece Fountains  instagram  stories. He has videos of some of the practices and the scrimmage they had LOS. Eason omg. 

Sweet. Can you describe it for those of us who don't instagram? 

[Wentzszn 10,031]

26 minutes ago, Colt.45 said:

Sweet. Can you describe it for those of us who don't instagram? 

Just a couple tight window  throws. Jacoby looked good too lol. Reece looks really good. Too bad he didn’t get more of a chance. The throws were all to fountain during drills.

[TimetobringDfence! 429]

I think we should try and land Mariota he would be a cheap plug-in. We can save cap, develop Eason, and find another QB prospect in the mean time.

[Colt.45 371]

9 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Just a couple tight window  throws. Jacoby looked good too lol. Reece looks really good. Too bad he didn’t get more of a chance. The throws were all to fountain during drills.

 

Thanks for adding that necessary detail. Tells me everything I need to know. 

I think Ballard's words still ring true...until we see Eason LIVE in action where it counts, it is hard to make judgment on him. Jacoby may have looked great in practices but we all know how all that shook out when the bullets started flying.

[danlhart87 8,676]

18 minutes ago, TimetobringDfence! said:

I think we should try and land Mariota he would be a cheap plug-in. We can save cap, develop Eason, and find another QB prospect in the mean time.

He would be a solid backup 

[BProland85 1,512]

I'm starting to believe Ballard will either trade a 3rd round pick for Stafford if he becomes available from the new regime in Detroit, or he will sign QB Andy Dalton to a 1-2 year deal, around 5 mil per season, as his bridge QB for Jacob Eason, if the front office and coaching staff believe in him, which I think they do. They may also bring back Brissett on a team friendly contract. Something like 2 years, 7 mil.

 

Then in the draft he will focus on the LT, CB, DE, and WR positions.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,341]

Here is my No list with our possibilities:

Wentz, Darnold, Winston, Dalton, Jacoby - if any of these guys start I would be surprised if we even make the playoffs. Wentz's contract is awful and too much to take. He looks like damage goods to me as well.

 

My Yes list with our possibilities:

Stafford, draft a QB at #21, Watson but Watson is a pipe dream so I have him listed 3rd. I would keep Eason as a backup if we do pick up a Vet. Stafford's contract is reasonable.

[coltsva 1,776]

18 hours ago, NannyMcafee said:

Would anyone here be willing to trade Buckner and a 1st for Watson?  

Not going to happen, but if it's there you make this deal immediately!

Ten years of high level play at the most important position in sports. I am stunned that anyone would not make this deal.

 

 

[Wentzszn 10,031]

The Lions are having their presser with their new coach. They are talking about retooling not rebuilding. Saying they aren’t as far away as people think. That sure sounds like they could keep Stafford. Let’s also not forget how hard Stafford throws the ball. If they keep him that could be another trade partner.

[Colt.45 371]

12 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

The Lions are having their presser with their new coach. They are talking about retooling not rebuilding. Saying they aren’t as far away as people think. That sure sounds like they could keep Stafford. Let’s also not forget how hard Stafford throws the ball. If they keep him that could be another trade partner.

 

 

Same thing the new GM said. They have a QB, unless he actively wants to leave, I dont know why they'd let him go for a rookie QB who might never be anything close to what Stafford is.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,341]

2 minutes ago, Colt.45 said:

 

 

Same thing the new GM said. They have a QB, unless he actively wants to leave, I dont know why they'd let him go for a rookie QB who might never be anything close to what Stafford is.

They are not going to show their hand. They may or may not want to keep Stafford. He would be their best option but sometimes when a new coach comes in, he ends up wanting to go in a different direction. Stafford looks to me like he needs a change of scenery. He keeps getting beat up year after year on that team.

[Wentzszn 10,031]

I don’t think Wentz or Stafford is going to be available.

 

 

[2006Coltsbestever 22,341]

Just now, Chloe6124 said:

I don’t think Wentz or Stafford is going to be available.

 

 

See above, you don't show your hand. What is he going to say? He sure isn't going to say that he has his doubts Stafford can get the job done. 

[TimetobringDfence! 429]

2 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

He would be a solid backup 

I think he can be a winning starter. He was playing great before the injury, and that's the only reason Tannehill took over. He may not be elite but he could be pretty good with the right team. Best bang for your buck!

[Wentzszn 10,031]

If Wentz or Stafford isn’t available we might be down to Eason or Jacoby. Those two teams do provide a trade up opportunity though.

[Colt.45 371]

37 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

They are not going to show their hand. They may or may not want to keep Stafford. He would be their best option but sometimes when a new coach comes in, he ends up wanting to go in a different direction. Stafford looks to me like he needs a change of scenery. He keeps getting beat up year after year on that team.

For sure, I thought the same thing. However, this is the team's call right? Unless they have a rookie they're 100% sure about (no such thing), it'd be crazy to trade Stafford even for a king's ransom. Look at all the teams who have needs at that position. That's the one position Detroit's solid at.

Now, if they want to rebuild totally and are ready for a 2 win season then that's a different story.

[TimetobringDfence! 429]

21 minutes ago, TimetobringDfence! said:

I thinks he can be a winning starter. He was playing great before the injury, and that's the only reason Tannehill took over. He may not be elite but he could be pretty good with the right team. Best bang for your buck!

I dont know his value but I'd give up a 2nd round for him. His salary is very affordable, and he played good stepping in for Carr and was playing great before his injury.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,341]

Just now, Colt.45 said:

For sure, I thought the same thing. However, this is the team's call right? Unless they have a rookie they're 100% sure about (no such thing), it'd be crazy to trade Stafford even for a king's ransom. Look at all the teams who have needs at that position. That's the one position Detroit's solid at.

Now, if they want to rebuild totally and are ready for a 2 win season then that's a different story.

Yeah it is tough to read as of now, they draft pretty high so a good prospect will be there for them.

[Wentzszn 10,031]

Here is the entire quote. This sounds like he could be gone. We aren’t going to know much until the draft. Them picking 7th they might not get the guy they want.

 

 

[2006Coltsbestever 22,341]

3 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Here is the entire quote. This sounds like he could be gone. We aren’t going to know much until the draft. Them picking 7th they might not get the guy they want.

 

 

That is what I mean, it is hard to read, when one see's the entire quote. I am not convinced the Lions want him back, they may or may not.

[2006Coltsbestever 22,341]

I am just going by our best options, whether or not Stafford can win a SB here, the jury is still out. Most people thought Tannehill was average at best when he played for a stinky team in Miami. He goes to Tennessee with a great running game and goes to the AFC Championship in 1 year after winning nothing in Miami. Sometimes a change for a QB is the ultimate medicine.

[Superman 9,408]

1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:

I don’t think Wentz or Stafford is going to be available.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Here is the entire quote. This sounds like he could be gone. We aren’t going to know much until the draft. Them picking 7th they might not get the guy they want.

 

 

 

Talk about whiplash... Not everything is a clue to be decoded.

[chad72 7,444]

8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am just going by our best options, whether or not Stafford can win a SB here, the jury is still out. Most people thought Tannehill was average at best when he played for a stinky team in Miami. He goes to Tennessee with a great running game and goes to the AFC Championship in 1 year after winning nothing in Miami. Sometimes a change for a QB is the ultimate medicine.

 

Well, Philip Rivers went from a 5-11 Chargers team and flipped it to 11-5 with the Colts' OL and talent assembled, didn't he?  

 

We don't need to go beyond what just happened with our own team. 

[2006Coltsbestever 22,341]

2 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Well, Philip Rivers went from a 5-11 Chargers team and flipped it to 11-5 with the Colts' OL and talent assembled, didn't he?  

 

We don't need to go beyond what just happened with our own team. 

Yep. Great proof right there. Our O.Line makes a huge difference and is where we are better than most teams. Rivers was rarely sacked and wasn't mobile at all. That is what makes this team appealing to play for by QB's. I know AC retired but we still have Nelson, Kelly, and Smith = very solid. Without AC at Buffalo I thought our Line played well.

[richard pallo 2,813]

22 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Here is the entire quote. This sounds like he could be gone. We aren’t going to know much until the draft. Them picking 7th they might not get the guy they want.

 

 

Holmes said the same thing in his presser about sitting down with Campbell.  To me this sounds like he is available.  He didn't come out and say he's our QB.  Now is the time for Stafford to start the ball rolling for a trade to the Colts.  And he has leverage.  

[John Waylon 1,824]

That was... different.
 

Campbell seems to think they’re pretty close to being ready to compete, I wouldn’t be surprised now if he doesn’t double down with Stafford and see what happens. I mean, that is the Detroit tradition...

[chad72 7,444]

1 minute ago, richard pallo said:

Holmes said the same thing in his presser about sitting down with Campbell.  To me this sounds like he is available.  He didn't come out and say he's our QB.  Now is the time for Stafford to start the ball rolling for a trade to the Colts.  And he has leverage.  

 

Actually, Ballard should wait till the combine and see how things go, and that would be a good time to talk face to face with the Lions' GM and head coach. 

[Superman 9,408]

2 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Actually, Ballard should wait till the combine and see how things go, and that would be a good time to talk face to face with the Lions' GM and head coach. 

 

Just as long as he watches his kneecaps...

[chad72 7,444]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

Just as long as he watches his kneecaps...

 

He can take Q along with him.