Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

What's The Identity of the Colts?


Recommended Posts

Kind of a broad open issue.   When I see other teams, successful teams, I picture an identity right away.  For example:  KC has athleticism and big play.  Tennessee is more smash mouthed.  LVR looks to be run oriented, then vertical.  Baltimore is still about the ground attack and defense.  etc.  Broad characterizations, maybe not totally accurate, but I think identity is important.   Teams with identifies tend to identify its important players, and then builds around them

 

A lot of it depends on the QB, but even when we had Luck, I'm not sure what our identity was (fall behind early, then let him bring us back late?)  When we had PM, it was about being high scoring.

 

When the good teams play, you know what they are going to look like.

 

So what is the identity of the Colts?  Not just this year, but over the next few years?  Where are we headed?  Do we smashmouth it behind Nelson?  Do we dink and dunk like NE did?  Defense first?

 

What say you? 

 

I'll stand back and let others comment.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Relying on OL dominance to run primarily to set up the pass is our identity on offense. From a defensive point of view, our identity is to do what it takes to limit points with a base 4-3 defense. 

 

That is the best I can think of. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Honestly, with a new QB, a new RB, no preseason, and replacement WR's.....I think they are still establishing that. A second WR and Leonard back will go a long way to forming what the team is. Remember, there were injuries to the TE corp as well as the WR. 

 

If this team can stay relatively healthy for the next four games, I see an identity forming. Mack was a big loss. 

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

To further my thoughts, my guess is that with some health and consistency at WR, I see PR further utilizing the underneath/screen game and maybe some play action?. That would assist Hilton with corner and fade route opportunities.

 

I am mostly an amateur at this stuff, and many on here know far more than me. 

 

On defense, there isn't consistent pressure on the edge to determine what they ultimately will become. I think by next season, the Colts back seven are going to become pretty solid. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd like to think this bodes well for us if we can squeeze into the playoffs. Team would be an enigma of some sort, and opponents wouldn't know what to expect.

 

I don't know though, I always felt like our whole dynamic was shifting into becoming a defensive team.  

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it's really hard to know until we have some stability at the qb position. 

 

Strong front office

 

This year were a middle of the road, try to win in the trenches.  Playing a stubornly reoccuring soft zone D, with a slightly overrated offensive line.  An anemic rushing attack.  While showcasing an entirely immobile qb prone to periods of efficiency and turnovers in equal measure......who, judging by his family size, throws with his best ball placement off the field. 

 

IDK, is that an identity?

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I’d say it’s still in the works. If I absolutely had to identify this team, it would be ugly winners? Unnecessary rough guys?

 

We’re not a finesse team anymore. We play in the trench because that’s honestly where our strength is. And for sure we’re transitioning into a defensive team. Though in no way is our defense championship caliber yet. 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, DougDew said:

Kind of a broad open issue.   When I see other teams, successful teams, I picture an identity right away.  For example:  KC has athleticism and big play.  Tennessee is more smash mouthed.  LVR looks to be run oriented, then vertical.  Baltimore is still about the ground attack and defense.  etc.  Broad characterizations, maybe not totally accurate, but I think identity is important.   Teams with identifies tend to identify its important players, and then builds around them

 

A lot of it depends on the QB, but even when we had Luck, I'm not sure what our identity was (fall behind early, then let him bring us back late?)  When we had PM, it was about being high scoring.

 

When the good teams play, you know what they are going to look like.

 

So what is the identity of the Colts?  Not just this year, but over the next few years?  Where are we headed?  Do we smashmouth it behind Nelson?  Do we dink and dunk like NE did?  Defense first?

 

What say you? 

 

I'll stand back and let others comment.

I think we’re a grinding team. Both sides of the ball. I think we’re built more for low scoring games and low explosive offense. At least from what I’ve seen this season

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, csmopar said:

I think we’re a grinding team. Both sides of the ball. I think we’re built more for low scoring games and low explosive offense. At least from what I’ve seen this season

Most responses seem to be saying the same thing.

 

I think we have built the team from the middle of the field first, then out to the edges.  I think the talent of this team is definitely in the middle.  A person could argue that our top 4 players right now...assuming that TY and AC are on a permanent downside....is probably Buckner, Nelson, Leonard, and Blackmon (projecting he finishes the season playing the same way).  Our talent at the edge positions of CB, WR, DE, and probably OT is not as good.  JT is a good RB, but he does come from a college program that ran up the middle a lot.

 

I think that causes us to have a certain identity.  Its not the identity of KC.  IMO, we are not going to look like them anytime soon.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Most responses seem to be saying the same thing.

 

I think we have built the team from the middle of the field first, then out to the edges.  I think the talent of this team is definitely in the middle.  A person could argue that our top 4 players right now...assuming that TY and AC are on a permanent downside....is probably Buckner, Nelson, Leonard, and Blackmon (projecting he finishes the season playing the same way).  Our talent at the edge positions of CB, WR, DE, and probably OT is not as good.  JT is a good RB, but he does come from a college program that ran up the middle a lot.

 

I think that causes us to have a certain identity.  Its not the identity of KC.  IMO, we are not going to look like them anytime soon.

I would agree there. Which is exactly what Ballard says he was going to do. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I would agree there. 

And don't forget, before Blackmon, Ballard picked another FS with a very high pick.  And he plucked JT from WI, a program that runs up the middle. passing on that Sproles like guy from LSU that KC took.  I think that emphasizing the middle of the field is the plan.   Or else its a strange coincidence.

  • Like 1
  • Confused 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, DougDew said:

And don't forget, before Blackmon, Ballard picked another FS with a high pick.  And he plucked JT from WI, a program that runs up the middle. passing on that Sproles like guy from LSU that KC took.  I think this is the plan.   Or else its a strange coincidence.

No, it’s a plan. He’s said that you build a team from the trenches then to the sidelines. Said it many times and I think he’s sticking to it. I do think we’re set in the middle on both sides now so I think he’ll go sideline stars in FA and the draft big time.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Colts are a defensive team.  Some might not like the scheme, but making teams drive the entire field works.  Ranked 4th in scoring right now, and below 20ppg which is a feat nowadays.

 

Some gotta reset their opinion of what a good defense looks like I think.  It's all relative to the rest of the league.

 

And btw being strong in the trenches and tough to score on is a really nice combo in the playoffs.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, DougDew said:

And don't forget, before Blackmon, Ballard picked another FS with a very high pick.  And he plucked JT from WI, a program that runs up the middle. passing on that Sproles like guy from LSU that KC took.  I think that emphasizing the middle of the field is the plan.   Or else its a strange coincidence.

How did Ballard pass on a guy that was taken before his first pick? Unless you're talking about pick #13 which wouldn't have been CEH anyway.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, CheezyColt said:

How did Ballard pass on a guy that was taken before his first pick? Unless you're talking about pick #13 which wouldn't have been CEH anyway.

My bad, I thought CEH was taken later in round 2. 

 

I still think considering the trade up, and the fact that straight ahead Mack wasn't offered a contract, he valued/needed straight ahead JT more than CEH.  He probably would have still taken Pittman if CEH was on the board.  

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, csmopar said:

No, it’s a plan. He’s said that you build a team from the trenches then to the sidelines. Said it many times and I think he’s sticking to it. I do think we’re set in the middle on both sides now so I think he’ll go sideline stars in FA and the draft big time.

What kind of sideline stars you you think he will prioritize, profile wise?  Trait wise?  Body type.

 

I see every indication that he values WRs with straight line speed and maybe height more than lateral wiggle.   Something more like an Arians type of down the field post or hook WR than a crossing route wiggly WR.  Agreeing that route running ability and hands are priorities, I see speed and height and even physicality being valued more than wiggle.

 

I see edge DEs as prioritizing rotational/situational players and not so much 3 down players.  The 3T being the steady 3 down player.

 

None of this is bad, or the wrong identity, just observations for others to consider.

 

I'm not sure what he prioritizes in CBs.  I think he sees length as very important.

 

I think having players with certain traits or skills dictates what a team can do well, and not do so well.  And I think a lot of teams stick to a steady philosophy...KC and BALT coming to mind.

 

I'm not exactly sure where the traits I think Ballard values results in what identity.  I think it seems more traditional than innovative, not that its a bad thing, but I think it matters as far as what kind of team we expect to see.

 

Even the QBs are more traditional pocket passers.  He trade for JB, who is not athletic.  Signed Rivers.  Passed on Love.  Drafted Eason.

Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, DougDew said:

What kind of sideline stars you you think he will prioritize, profile wise?  Trait wise?  Body type.

 

I see every indication that he values WRs with straight line speed and maybe height more than lateral wiggle.   Something more like an Arians type of down the field post or hook WR than a crossing route wiggly WR.  Agreeing that route running ability and hands are priorities, I see speed and height and even physicality being valued more than wiggle.

 

I see edge DEs as prioritizing rotational/situational players and not so much 3 down players.  The 3T being the steady 3 down player.

 

None of this is bad, or the wrong identity, just observations for others to consider.

 

I'm not sure what he prioritizes in CBs.  I think he sees length as very important.

 

I think having players with certain traits or skills dictates what a team can do well, and not do so well.  And I think a lot of teams stick to a steady philosophy...KC and BALT coming to mind.

 

I'm not exactly sure where the traits I think Ballard values results in what identity.  I think it seems more traditional than innovative, not that its a bad thing, but I think it matters as far as what kind of team we expect to see.


The Ed Dodds influences seem to be all over the blueprint like the 2013 Seahawks. Length with CBs and LBs, Cover 3 style, strength down the middle emphasized. Run primarily offense with situational passing and less known wide outs and play good defense.

 

The biggest differences - don’t have a QB to do roll outs to gain yards or keep Ds honest, run game and D not dominant enough.

 

Need to build the outside with another WR with speed and another WR/TE with size utilized down the middle more. Campbell is not an outside guy, IMO. Plus, more penalties for contact from DBs are being enforced nowadays making it harder to play that Seahawks style now in the secondary. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Great discussion topic.  I have posted before about watching other teams and then thinking about our Colts.  Teams like Seattle, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, KC, etc.  They play and look like I wish ours did.  Oft times, in comparison, the Colts look like a minor league club - so, when they do step up and compete against the top-line clubs it's surprising.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think we really have that guy to build around offensively. JT and Mack would have been it imo. That has changed. Our uncertainty, or limitations rather, at QB rules that out. TY just not dominate any more. We don't have Mahomes, Henry, etc. Just doing what we can against what the defense dictates. 

Defense its definitely let your front 4 clog everything and pressure, let Leonard and co. fly around wreaking havoc. Zone is our weakness imo.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Great discussion topic.  I have posted before about watching other teams and then thinking about our Colts.  Teams like Seattle, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, KC, etc.  They play and look like I wish ours did.  Oft times, in comparison, the Colts look like a minor league club - so, when they do step up and compete against the top-line clubs it's surprising.

Thanks.  I asked the question partly because there are some criticisms of the current team because it looks stale.

 

Maybe people are expecting us to look like KC, or even just the Eagles because we have Reich as HC?  

 

Maybe the question should be.  When we play well, play like we are supposed to, what other team in the NFL would we look like?

 

BALT?  No.  Tenn with Henry?  No.  The Raiders, run alot (JT=Jacobs?) then hit the play action over the top?  Maybe.  The old PM Colts?  No.

 

Of course, when you're down 21-0 all teams look the same as they become pass happy, but going in....

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, chad72 said:


The Ed Dodds influences seem to be all over the blueprint like the 2013 Seahawks. Length with CBs and LBs, Cover 3 style, strength down the middle emphasized. Run primarily offense with situational passing and less known wide outs and play good defense.

 

The biggest differences - don’t have a QB to do roll outs to gain yards or keep Ds honest, run game and D not dominant enough.

 

Need to build the outside with another WR with speed and another WR/TE with size utilized down the middle more. Campbell is not an outside guy, IMO. Plus, more penalties for contact from DBs are being enforced nowadays making it harder to play that Seahawks style now in the secondary. 

That worked when they had a great defense.  Could still work of course, now the defense has come down to earth more, but they added Lockett and DK since.  Lynch is back too.  Not sure if their oline is a standout or not.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The Colts identity is that this is Ballards team. When you think Colts you think Chris Ballard. Everyone knows who Ballard is. That makes our identity all about Ballard. until this team becomes elite in its play, this teams identity will be off the field. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • ^This^   Another way to look at it is this:  considering the production that Ballard is getting out of his draft picks while they're still on their rookie contracts... why over-spend on re-signing anybody?   If Ballard can continue hitting on draft picks the way he has, then it's almost better to just keep accumulating draft picks, draft well, and let the young guys go out and make plays.   Let other teams over-spend on proven talent while Indy keeps providing an opportunity for young hungry players to prove their talent.   Save the money for slam-dunk moves like Buckner.
    • I bet you are 1000% wrong.   Nelson is the biggest name in the league at G, and it's not even close.  A "bad" Nelson (that gets called for ticky-tack holds that happen on every single NFL play) is still better than 90% of the guards in the NFL.   Your hot-take posts are getting very tiresome.  
    • They have contributed as much their rookie year as the entire group maybe by end of the season, but I doubt there's even a tiny chance of 2 all pros. Even 1 is a major stretch.  I am not sure we have any all pro's on the team since the most deserving one is Buckner (who I count as our first round pick in every way) has impact but no stats to wow anyone not intimately aware of his impact. If he misses this game we may painfully see how valuable.  But their collective impact has certainly added up. 4 starters and 2 solid special teamers in a so far playoff level team is quite a haul for any draft pick class in history.  It is at least adjacent to 2018, unless you don't count Buckner in any way.
    • Nothing against you and I like you as a poster but counting Ballard's 2017 season is a stretch. I realize he was the GM that year (1st year) but he didn't have the Coach he wanted and Luck was out for the year. We went 4-12 that year so his record is a bit skewed because of that. Others have posted the same thing about Ballard's record so you are not the only one and I just don't see how anyone can count that season legitimately. I pretty much go by 2018-this year when he hired Frank and his record would be 25-19 counting the playoffs. Is he the best GM in the league, probably not but he is good. He is responsible for drafting Nelson, Leonard, Mack, signing Houston, signing Rivers and trading for Buckner = great work there. Luck just retiring on the team and McDaniels dissing him even made his job that much harder. 
    • I am late to the party but it doesn't matter because I would've been 1-1 anyway. I had the Lions and Washington so it offsets     Here are my Sunday picks/Monday pick: Ravens 17 Steelers 24 Chargers 19 Bills 27 Titans 27 Colts 30 Panthers 20 Vikings 21 Browns 27 Jags 17 Giants 24 Bengals 10 Cards 27 Pats 23 Dolphins 99 Jets 0 (Fluke's original quote) Saints 24 Broncos 13 49ers 17 Rams 30 Chiefs 34 Bucs 24 Bears 17 Packers 27 Seahawks 31 Eagles 17
  • Members

×
×
  • Create New...