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15 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Why? Fountain really hasn't had much opportunity. Harris got as many targets in one game than Fountain or Dulin all year. Doesn't have anything to do with getting, or being open. You saw where Harris got the targets...

Because Harris brings something different and some diversity. Fountain is basically the same type of WR as pascal and Johnson. We need someone who can at least add some things like Campbell.

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zero problem with him or anyone else wearing it. Luck didn’t do anything worthy of retiring that number.

Well he's wearing 12. Ballsy kid.

Played well for a kid no one here knew he was 5 hours ago.

23 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Nah... Harris is tiny. He's like 5-8 and 175ish. He's closer to TY than Hines. Sure they can use Harris on specialty runs, but he's not in competition at RB, or even APB. He's just a guy who can be used as a gadget guy and STs along with WR.

 

You might have heard he was a RB in college. Yes, he was, kind of. SM's RB got hurt so they had to convert Harris from WR his SR year. He can be a satellite guy, but won't be AP. 

Yeah, my last post crystalized my thinking better. 

 

He's not really a RB, maybe not really a WR, but what we saw on the field from Harris is the type of dynamics the Colts have been trying to get for Reich since he got here, primarily with Hines or maybe Campbell.   I believe Harris also returned kicks, maybe punts (although he would be tiny for the NFL).

 

And if Harris can keep it going, he's going to stick at the expense of someone else on offense, IMO.

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6 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Yeah, my last post crystalized my thinking better. 

 

He's not really a RB, maybe not really a WR, but what we saw on the field from Harris is the type of dynamics the Colts have been trying to get for Reich since he got here, primarily with Hines or maybe Campbell.   I believe Harris also returned kicks, maybe punts (although he would be tiny for the NFL).

 

And if Harris can keep it going, he's going to stick at the expense of someone else on offense, IMO.

He’s an x-factor player like Hines.  Not really a running back or WR but a guy you want out there because you put the ball in his hands good things can happen because of his speed.

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4 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Because Harris brings something different and some diversity. Fountain is basically the same type of WR as pascal and Johnson. We need someone who can at least add some things like Campbell.

nah.

Pascal is not really like either Johnson or Fountain except for maybe height.

 

Johnson, Fountain, Dulin, and Campbell are roughly similar in height and speed. Fountain and Campbell are the best jumpers. All have good speed and decent size, and all versatile. They all could play Z, slot, or small X (like Pascal). 

 

TY and Harris are the most similar, but you really won't have them on the field a bunch at the same time. TY is 5-9ish, and Harris is 5-8ish

 

Pascal is a slower and smaller Pittman. He's played small X and big slot. He's the least athletic of the WRs, but one of the best route runners.

 

I like what Harris brings by the way, but he is a bit limited due to his height, even more than TY. As you saw today, routes were pretty limited, but I'd love to see him in some verts. He's basically a shorter TY, or a Hines minus twenty pounds. 

 

All in all, just feels like we've been over rotating at WR. I honestly like the new guys better than the old. TY was 1 for 5 and Pascal 4-7. Harris was 3 of 3, and Johnson 5 of 8 (but much better AVG than Pascal).

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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

Nah... Harris is tiny. He's like 5-8 and 175ish. He's closer to TY than Hines. Sure they can use Harris on specialty runs, but he's not in competition at RB, or even APB. He's just a guy who can be used as a gadget guy and STs along with WR.

 

You might have heard he was a RB in college. Yes, he was, kind of. SM's RB got hurt so they had to convert Harris from WR his SR year. He can be a satellite guy, but won't be AP. 

 

1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

Why? Fountain really hasn't had much opportunity. Harris got as many targets in one game than Fountain or Dulin all year. Doesn't have anything to do with getting, or being open. You saw where Harris got the targets...

Why the love affair with Fountain? If the Colts have found better impact players in Marcus Johnson and Harris, good for them. MJ for sure has produced better than Fountain ever has. Harris looks like he has something special. I suspect Fountain reverts to the PS and eventually goes away quietly. This isn’t a dump on Fountain; just a recognition that the Colts have found better players than him. 

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53 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Yeah, my last post crystalized my thinking better. 

 

He's not really a RB, maybe not really a WR, but what we saw on the field from Harris is the type of dynamics the Colts have been trying to get for Reich since he got here, primarily with Hines or maybe Campbell.   I believe Harris also returned kicks, maybe punts (although he would be tiny for the NFL).

 

And if Harris can keep it going, he's going to stick at the expense of someone else on offense, IMO.

Harris was a WR and Returner before the conversion to depth RB. 

 

I love his athleticism, but he can't just do what he did today for long. He'll have to contribute in other standard routes or teams will know exactly what we're doing when he comes on the field. To be honest though.

 

Dulin actually has the same profile (WR, ran, returened), similar speed and measurables, just bigger. We've tried a few of those plays with him, but the Ds were far better sniffing it out than they were today.

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17 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Harris was a WR and Returner before the conversion to depth RB. 

 

I love his athleticism, but he can't just do what he did today for long. He'll have to contribute in other standard routes or teams will know exactly what we're doing when he comes on the field. To be honest though.

 

Dulin actually has the same profile (WR, ran, returened), similar speed and measurables, just bigger. We've tried a few of those plays with him, but the Ds were far better sniffing it out than they were today.

I have no idea why they brought Fountain up from the PS and then barely let him play

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14 minutes ago, Hoose said:

 

Why the love affair with Fountain? If the Colts have found better impact players in Marcus Johnson and Harris, good for them. MJ for sure has produced better than Fountain ever has. Harris looks like he has something special. I suspect Fountain reverts to the PS and eventually goes away quietly. This isn’t a dump on Fountain; just a recognition that the Colts have found better players than him. 

No love affair. Just not sure why he's not getting more snaps/targets. It's not like he hasn't been open, and hasn't looked bad in the few targets he's had. 

 

Harris looks special? I certainly love his athleticism, but IIRC, both short throws he got were in soft coverage. They had nice yards (10ish?), but pretty sure he had room to move. The first one I think was just a quick hit, no route catch. That's not really special when nobody is within 10 yards of you. Not saying he won't be good, but what we saw today was very limited.

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8 minutes ago, krunk said:

I have no idea why they brought Fountain up from the PS and then barely let him play

Doesn't make much sense to me either. Few snaps. A lot of snaps he's just the decoy (clear out or rub) or on run plays. He's been fine in the limited targets. No drops that I can recall. Most of his snaps were in games 2-5, when we didn't pass much anyway. I do recall seeing him wide open, but clearly wasn't the first read.

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6 hours ago, Dogg63 said:

The numbers for WR are 10-19 and 80-89. Colts currently have these WR numbers available:

18, 19, 82, 87, 88, 89

 

I have no issue with him wearing 12.

18 is retired internally for Manning

19 is retired - Unitas

82 is retired - Raymond Berry

87 is retired internally for Wayne

88 is retired internally for Harrison

89 is retired - Gino Marchetti

 

You folks are upset he's wearing number 12 but are okay with him wearing legit hall of famer numbers????

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

18 is retired internally for Manning

19 is retired - Unitas

82 is retired - Raymond Berry

87 is retired internally for Wayne

88 is retired internally for Harrison

89 is retired - Gino Marchetti

 

You folks are upset he's wearing number 12 but are okay with him wearing legit hall of famer numbers????

 

 

 

I have an issue with anyone wearing 85 and I benefit from a retired number too

    I always get a 77 jersey

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4 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

I have an issue with anyone wearing 85 and I benefit from a retired number too

    I always get a 77 jersey

Jim Parker....77

 

85? Ken Dilger? Bradford Banta? Pierre Garcon?

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1 hour ago, PrincetonTiger said:

DH needs to replicate things the next time he sees action

If he's still dressing next game. You now have MJ on the 53, and Pittman is expected back. That's 7 before counting DH. Doubt they are keeping 7, let alone 8 WRs. 

 

1. TY

2. PIttman

3. Pascal

4. Johnson

5. Dulin

6. Patmon

7 Fountain

8. Harris (temp promote)

 

Something's gotta give. They can temp up Harris once more. Doubt they waste that. And Burton is pretty much a bully slot more than TE almost. If Pittman is truly back, I can see them pushing Fountain down too. 

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1 hour ago, Scott Pennock said:

You folks are upset he's wearing number 12 but are okay with him wearing legit hall of famer numbers????

 

Hopefully I live long enough to regret these words...  haha

 

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone wearing numbers from the Baltimore days.  19.  82.  89.  Wasn't 88 John Mackey?

 

I don't care.  It was before my time so it really has no significance to me.  18 is the only number I hold in any sort of reverence, and if I live long enough, 18 may not even be sacrosanct eventually.  (and shouldn't be)

 

They're just numbers.  We have to assign numbers 1-99 to 90+ players every year, so it's kind of a stupid thing to get hung up on, isn't it?  Retiring numbers is just goofy to me because we basically need every number to be available every year...  :dunno:

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9 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

As long as Jim Irsay owns the team, I highly doubt any numbers from Baltimore or Indy will be unretired. 

Jim was 12 years old when his father acquired the Colts. 

If it wasn’t done when he took over as owner it’s not going to happen now. The Irsays have made to clear the claim all the team history including the Baltimore days.  I know people in Baltimore don’t like that but those guys did it for this franchise not the Ravens franchise.  I also know Johnny U disowned the Colts when they moved but others like Berry still embrace the Colts in Indy.  

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16 hours ago, Hoose said:

 

Why the love affair with Fountain? If the Colts have found better impact players in Marcus Johnson and Harris, good for them. MJ for sure has produced better than Fountain ever has. Harris looks like he has something special. I suspect Fountain reverts to the PS and eventually goes away quietly. This isn’t a dump on Fountain; just a recognition that the Colts have found better players than him. 

I think this is correct.  The team needs to go with the players who produce, or can set themselves apart form the others.  Most of those WRs have never separated themselves from any other on the list.  I think you force things to keep Harris around for a while to see what he can do.  If he continues to perform the same and run new routes, or take the ball in the backfield, I can see him on the roster more so than Fountain, Patmon, or Hines.

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46 minutes ago, DarkSuperman said:

Does anyone know how fast he is? He could be a nice compliment of speed on offense until Campbell returns.

I don't think he was at the combine or had a pro day. IIRC, when we picked him up, I researched him a bit. No 40 found, but I did find a track time that would likely put him around 4.4ish. He's fast, but don't think he's electric 4.3s though. At his small size, he better be fast lol. 

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On 10/18/2020 at 10:03 PM, EastStreet said:

Harris was a WR and Returner before the conversion to depth RB. 

 

I love his athleticism, but he can't just do what he did today for long. He'll have to contribute in other standard routes or teams will know exactly what we're doing when he comes on the field. To be honest though.

 

Dulin actually has the same profile (WR, ran, returened), similar speed and measurables, just bigger. We've tried a few of those plays with him, but the Ds were far better sniffing it out than they were today.

Not sure I necesarily agree with the bolded here. I don't think anyone is saying he's the second coming of Tyreke Hill, but he doesn't have to be. He could be a solid gadget player. All his catches were either within the 5 yard line or behind the LOS. The point was to just get the ball in his hands as quick as possble and let him work. He popped off the screen when he touched the ball last game. I had to do a double take to see who it was. 

 

Was very impressed considering it was his first game, and had an immediate impact. Might be an overreaction, but last game he actually looked quicker in open field than Hines. We'll see if he can replicate that.

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7 minutes ago, NorthernColt said:

Not sure I necesarily agree with the bolded here. I don't think anyone is saying he's the second coming of Tyreke Hill, but he doesn't have to be. He could be a solid gadget player. All his catches were either within the 5 yard line or behind the LOS. The point was to just get the ball in his hands as quick as possble and let him work. He popped off the screen when he touched the ball last game. I had to do a double take to see who it was. 

 

Was very impressed considering it was his first game, and had an immediate impact. Might be an overreaction, but last game he actually looked quicker in open field than Hines. We'll see if he can replicate that.

You just kinda made my point. Pure gadget guys rarely work out because the D knows what's coming when they come in. 

 

If he can learn to run routes, blow the top off, etc., he can become a mainstay. If he's limited to +/- 5 of the LOS without being able to run it, he'll be easy to figure out.

 

BTW, I'd love him to emerge. 

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12 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

You just kinda made my point. Pure gadget guys rarely work out because the D knows what's coming when they come in. 

 

If he can learn to run routes, blow the top off, etc., he can become a mainstay. If he's limited to +/- 5 of the LOS without being able to run it, he'll be easy to figure out.

 

BTW, I'd love him to emerge. 

Yeah fair point for sure. I guess it just depends on your expectations for a guy like him. IMO, even if he doesn't really develop more as a receiver, I think he can be a solid depth piece to a WR room. Especially given the fact he can return kicks and play RB in a pinch.

 

As limited as his route tree is, if he's on the field doing what he did, and teams know he's a one trick pony, they'll still have to account for him and give him the time of day, leaving openings else where.

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3 minutes ago, NorthernColt said:

Yeah fair point for sure. I guess it just depends on your expectations for a guy like him. IMO, even if he doesn't really develop more as a receiver, I think he can be a solid depth piece to a WR room. Especially given the fact he can return kicks and play RB in a pinch.

 

As limited as his route tree is, if he's on the field doing what he did, and teams know he's a one trick pony, they'll still have to account for him and give him the time of day, leaving openings else where.

If he's returning as well, I have zero problem with him taking a roster spot. We have guys already though that are good returners, and can do more. Rodgers, Hines, Dulin, etc. all have flashed. I'd like to see a good vert package, with our low 4.4 and 4.3 guys just obliterating the tops of Ds with 3-4 vert routes. Harris could fit that as well if he's decent against the press.

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9 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

If he's returning as well, I have zero problem with him taking a roster spot. We have guys already though that are good returners, and can do more. Rodgers, Hines, Dulin, etc. all have flashed. I'd like to see a good vert package, with our low 4.4 and 4.3 guys just obliterating the tops of Ds with 3-4 vert routes. Harris could fit that as well if he's decent against the press.

Forsure. Will be interesting to see if he's a flash in the pan, or if they try to incorporate him at all moving forward.

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Just now, NorthernColt said:

Forsure. Will be interesting to see if he's a flash in the pan, or if they try to incorporate him at all moving forward.

I like what I saw that's for sure, just conservative with expectations. Hopefully he's using his time well and learning his routes, and smoothing out the rough edges. I still haven't given up on Dulin, Patmon, or Fountain yet. Dulin and Fountain, like Harris, are small school kids that are projects. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. But I like all of them as worthwhile risks.

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4 hours ago, EastStreet said:

I don't think he was at the combine or had a pro day. IIRC, when we picked him up, I researched him a bit. No 40 found, but I did find a track time that would likely put him around 4.4ish. He's fast, but don't think he's electric 4.3s though. At his small size, he better be fast lol. 

This article says he ran a 20.8s 200m dash to win the MAIS state track title, which calculates to 21.51mph. Running a 40y dash at that speed would take 3.8 seconds :woah:. BTW, that run shattered the previous state record by 0.7 seconds.

 

This colts.com article also has him listed as winning the MAIS state title in the 100 (10.55), 200 (20.8) and 400-meter (47.96). The 100m time calculates to 19.39mph, and running a 40y dash at that speed would take 4.22 seconds.

 

Either way, he's a burner.

 

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15 minutes ago, Dogg63 said:

This article says he ran a 20.8s 200m dash to win the MAIS state track title, which calculates to 21.51mph. Running a 40y dash at that speed would take 3.8 seconds :woah:. BTW, that run shattered the previous state record by 0.7 seconds.

 

This colts.com article also has him listed as winning the MAIS state title in the 100 (10.55), 200 (20.8) and 400-meter (47.96). The 100m time calculates to 19.39mph, and running a 40y dash at that speed would take 4.22 seconds.

 

Either way, he's a burner.

 

10.55 equates to roughly 4.4

Using 200 is way to flawed as it's long speed. 100 is a little better, but also has the long speed factor. 

x/2.54 + 2x ~ 100m time

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I see him taking the place of Parris Campbell. He has the speed and gets great seperation and hands. He shows confidence and in his own words, " he belongs ". Doesn't hurt that Phil Rivers mentioned him during the Post Game interview.  Having been a RB means he has the strength to get some good YAC. 

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43 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

10.55 equates to roughly 4.4

Using 200 is way to flawed as it's long speed. 100 is a little better, but also has the long speed factor. 

x/2.54 + 2x ~ 100m time

Thanks, I just did a straight calculation without taking any other factors into account. So he's closer to a 4.37ish and that's still quite fast. His 10.55 is right there with Cordarelle Patterson, Adrian Peterson, and Lamar Miller. But then again, similar 100 times doesn't mean they will all run the 40 similarly.

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25 minutes ago, Dogg63 said:

Thanks, I just did a straight calculation without taking any other factors into account. So he's closer to a 4.37ish and that's still quite fast. His 10.55 is right there with Cordarelle Patterson, Adrian Peterson, and Lamar Miller. But then again, similar 100 times doesn't mean they will all run the 40 similarly.

There are 10.55 guys, and lower, that run into the mid 4.4s. 

Just depends on both your early and late acceleration. The formula is just a guess.

 

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On 10/19/2020 at 7:32 AM, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

Hopefully I live long enough to regret these words...  haha

 

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone wearing numbers from the Baltimore days.  19.  82.  89.  Wasn't 88 John Mackey?

 

I don't care.  It was before my time so it really has no significance to me.  18 is the only number I hold in any sort of reverence, and if I live long enough, 18 may not even be sacrosanct eventually.  (and shouldn't be)

 

They're just numbers.  We have to assign numbers 1-99 to 90+ players every year, so it's kind of a stupid thing to get hung up on, isn't it?  Retiring numbers is just goofy to me because we basically need every number to be available every year...  :dunno:

You dont hold 87 or 88 in any reverence for Harrison or Wayne, but 18 you do for Manning? Erm....?

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