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  1. 1. How long should Rivers leash be before Jacoby goes in?

    • He is done Jacoby should start next week.
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    • One more bad outing
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    • He is the starter till the end
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Please don't make me watch Jacoby Brissett play again. I'd rather see Rivers throw 5 picks a game than fall asleep watching Brissett dink and dunk his way to an 8-8 record and an uneventful 16th overa

I wish he wasn’t here at all. 4 TDs in 5 games is awfulllll. He might be more immobile than Brady at this point in their career.    He can’t even throw the ball 30 yards with zip on it! I truly

Chad Kelly is better than Rivers  

10 minutes ago, Thunderbolt said:

I agree with "Coltsman 1788", cut ties with Rivers after 2020 and start a new era with Eason....No need to waste another 25M on a QB that can't throw over 30 yds...

He appears to have thrown for "more than 30 yards" in this clip, and quite accurately with the required velocity. Even though the pass was dropped, IMO it could not have been thrown better.

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no one wants rivers to be bad we are stuck with him until the off season .  i do not take joy in saying this , i wish he played better and took the colts to a superbowl .  I just am being brutally honest i do not see a way in which rivers takes the colts to a super bowl unless the defense keeps improving and has a run .  Its not all rivers fault of course not the line has been horrible in run blocking , and the wr havent helped at all . Along with the play  calling the offense looks terrible .  they cant put up 30 points of offense so far with the rules favoring the offenses its troubling .   lets see how rivers responds next week if he has a good game and keeps it up ill be in favor of sticking with him .

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20 minutes ago, Grigson's Gaffes said:


Well then congrats on being the only person who watches football to not see diminished arm strength. Are you citing PFF on downfield accuracy?

"only" according to who, you lol.

And please explain how somebody can be top 10 in downfield accuracy yet not have an arm to throw it downfield in the first place?

 

Is his arm as strong as it was 10 years ago. No. Is he noodling everything, no. I get it, you don't like him. His stats this year show he's the same guy he's always been, just less attempts/game and the production drop off to match.

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16 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Honestly, with the combination of last year with Brissett, the injuries to key players this year, Rivers being a bad QB, and the way Frank Reich coaches, I'm more disinterested in this team now more than I have been in any time since I started watching the Colts in 1998.

 

Even in 2011, I had the possibility of getting Luck to keep me engaged in a bad sort of way when we had the horrible year record-wise.

 

I'm not even mad or disappointed anymore, I'm just disinterested. It's not fun anymore. Have a great GM, and anything and everything around him is bad or goes bad. Really a shame.

Heard through the rumor mill luck might be back next year. Don’t lose faith.

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2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

"only" according to who, you lol.

And please explain how somebody can be top 10 in downfield accuracy yet not have an arm to throw it downfield in the first place?

 

Is his arm as strong as it was 10 years ago. No. Is he noodling everything, no. I get it, you don't like him. His stats this year show he's the same guy he's always been, just less attempts/game and the production drop off to match.

Go check out twitter bud, Keefer, Kravitz, Cowherd, every media personality that covers NFL saying the dude is cooked. I’m sure you know better than all of us though because a site you pay to view says he completes passes down the field. Completely ignoring he only throws down the field when the receiver is completely open.

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

I don't want him 

It was smart that he retired 

 

He's a brilliant guy and made great decision for him 

You like Rivers though?

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13 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

I replied till end of the season BECAUSE Brissett is the backup.

but is jacoby worse then rivers now ?    look up the stats through 5 games last year to this year jacoby had 14 touchdowns to 3 picks before he got hurt rivers is 4 touchdowns to 5 picks .   jacoby can move and has a bigger arm and will be better this year. i wouldnt mind going to him if rivers fails

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2 minutes ago, Grigson's Gaffes said:

Go check out twitter bud, Keefer, Kravitz, Cowherd, every media personality that covers NFL saying the dude is cooked. I’m sure you know better than all of us though because a site you pay to view says he completes passes down the field. Completely ignoring he only throws down the field when the receiver is completely open.

You like Rivers though?

I'll support whoever we put out there but its not gonna change my mood

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24 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

i do not believe in letting a head coach call plays anyway .  with reich being in the offensive meetings and ignoring the defense makes no sense .   Let your coaches call the plays and be a head coach .

Honestly, wasn't overly impressed with the either OC, or HC hires. Neither coordinator had previous coordinator experience, nor did they have exceptional track records. Not bad at all, just nothing great. Reich was passed over by a lot of teams before we hired him. Again, love him as a guy, just not impressed with his play calling in LAC, nor here. 

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1 minute ago, coming on strong said:

then draft one next year . luck is not coming back .  i would rather just try and start eason .  if he fails go to the draft

I'm about to give you some great advice and I want you to take as nicely as possible. 

 

I get it! You are upset! We all are but getting this bent out of shape over a loss isn't worth it. 

 

I gave this same speech to @Jared Cisneros after the Jaguars game but I will again. 

 

Growing up my uncle use to tell me all the time a motto he lives by:

 

Let Go Let God

 

Games are won and lost every year but don't let it completely ruin your day. 

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1 minute ago, Grigson's Gaffes said:


I hope we tank out but we’re out of position to draft a difference maker now.

we only one 3 games  so far we could still be a top ten team and trade up. so many people just wanna win now but that is not how it really works .  if we just won now in 2011 no luck .  i rather go a year with a bad record to have 15 years of a franchise QB

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1 minute ago, coming on strong said:

we only one 3 games  so far we could still be a top ten team and trade up. so many people just wanna win now but that is not how it really works .  if we just won now in 2011 no luck .  i rather go a year with a bad record to have 15 years of a franchise QB

There's no guarantees in draft 

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22 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

yea but brady is playing good if you count the season so far .  rivers has yet to throw a multiple touchdown game or throw more then 1 touchdown in a game .   If brady had thrown 5 picks so far with 4 touchdowns averaging 220 a game the media would be killing him .   If it was one bad game no big deal , but to have 5 bad games in a row .   that is a problem i dont see how you can spin it any other way .   numbers wise he is bottom five in touchdowns yards and picks .   the only thing good is completion percentage but the picks overtake the good out of that .  in this league you have to be able to throw the ball  .  AT least in the first 5 games last year jacoby had 2, 300 yard games and 14 touchdowns to 3 picks .  rivers is 4 touchdowns to 5 picks he is on pace to put up worse stats then last year when he threw 23 touchdowns to 20 picks .  he might throw 15 touch downs to 20 picks with 3 thousand yards passing

 

16 minutes ago, Grigson's Gaffes said:

Hahahahaha dropping dimes against a) the worst team of maybe the last decade and b) he barely had 200 yards against both squads.

Philip Rivers was signed due to his familiarity with the Head Coach & Offensive Coordinator, and the offense that they like to run. He was also brought in to provide experienced veteran leadership, and win games. He was not  signed with the expectation that he would put up gawdy statistics, but if padding his own personal stats were the goal he certainly could have, especially against the Vikings & Jets. He could've kept slinging it around and likely would've thrown for more yards & probably a few more TDs, but that also would've given both those team the opportunity to capitalize on a mistake or 2, and possibly get back into the game.

 

If acquiring more points or yards against these defeated teams was the objective, they were definitely there for the taking:  lest we forget, the Vikings game ended with Rivers kneeling at the Minnesota 20 yard line, and the Jets game concluded with Philip & other starters resting for half of the 4th Quarter, and Jacoby Brissett kneeling at the Jets' 30.

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1 minute ago, Lancer1 said:

 

Philip Rivers was signed due to his familiarity with the Head Coach & Offensive Coordinator, and the offense that they like to run. He was also brought in to provide experienced veteran leadership, and win games. He was not  signed with the expectation that he would put up gawdy statistics, but if padding his own personal stats were the goal he certainly could have, especially against the Vikings & Jets. He could've kept slinging it around and likely would've thrown for more yards & probably a few more TDs, but that also would've given both those team the opportunity to capitalize on a mistake or 2, and possibly get back into the game.

 

If acquiring more points or yards against these defeated teams was the objective, they were definitely there for the taking:  lest we forget, the Vikings game ended with Rivers kneeling at the Minnesota 20 yard line, and the Jets game concluded with Philip & other starters resting for half of the 4th Quarter, and Jacoby Brissett kneeling at the Jets' 30.

So he didn’t carve up two teams with a combined one win? Why is it so hard for you to just admit the dude is cooked and a shell of his former self.

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Just now, danlhart87 said:

I'm about to give you some great advice and I want you to take as nicely as possible. 

 

I get it! You are upset! We all are but getting this bent out of shape over a loss isn't worth it. 

 

I gave this same speech to @Jared Cisneros after the Jaguars game but I will again. 

 

Growing up my uncle use to tell me all the time a motto he lives by:

 

Let Go Let God

 

Games are won and lost every year but don't let it completely ruin your day. 

it really not bothering me that we lost . i never had faith in rivers and was against signing him .  i used to during the manning years i learned after this bad decade of football we only made the playoffs once in the last 5 years .  I am more bent out of shape that this team is trying to be in a win now mode with a young roster then needs time . i just wanna see the colts play the young players and let them get some time in and grow .   thats my gripe not rivers personally i wanna see the colts develop the young players so in a couple years we can be a super bowl team .      I really dont lose interest when the colts lose like some . i watched every game in 2011 .  i can watch the team when losing and still watch any nfl game .  my passion is football in general not just the colts .  i am a person who looks a the big picture not just one season or one game .  i want whats best for the future of the team and that is to play the young guys .  

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the season does get more exciting to watch when you have  a young franchise QB .  Thats why i am for always playing the young QB over the vetern for the chance they can be great.   we know what rivers is already but we could have a future hall of famer sitting on the bench that is what intrigues me .  Its the same reason i wanted kelly to stay .  i am all for big risk big reward . playing it safe is for bad teams .  when i see teams starting tyrod taylor or  fitzpatrick over top ten draft picks it drives me crazy .

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4 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

it really not bothering me that we lost . i never had faith in rivers and was against signing him .  i used to during the manning years i learned after this bad decade of football we only made the playoffs once in the last 5 years .  I am more bent out of shape that this team is trying to be in a win now mode with a young roster then needs time . i just wanna see the colts play the young players and let them get some time in and grow .   thats my gripe not rivers personally i wanna see the colts develop the young players so in a couple years we can be a super bowl team .      I really dont lose interest when the colts lose like some . i watched every game in 2011 .  i can watch the team when losing and still watch any nfl game .  my passion is football in general not just the colts .  i am a person who looks a the big picture not just one season or one game .  i want whats best for the future of the team and that is to play the young guys .  

Well all the Colts points were scored by rookies today, Taylor, Rodgers, and hot rod.

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Just now, coming on strong said:

the season does get more exciting to watch when you have  a young franchise QB .  Thats why i am for always playing the young QB over the vetern for the chance they can be great.   we know what rivers is already but we could have a future hall of famer sitting on the bench that is what intrigues me .  Its the same reason i wanted kelly to stay .  i am all for big risk big reward . playing it safe is for bad teams .  when i see teams starting tyrod taylor or  fitzpatrick over top ten draft picks it drives me crazy .

Jacoby will start next week lmao , just joking.

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Just now, GoColts8818 said:

Well all the Colts points were scored by rookies today, Taylor, Rodgers, and hot rod.

that is great. i would take it a step further start rodgers over rhodes , start eason over rivers .  I would even love to see patmon on the field over ty . i just want the team to grow for the future we are not in a win now mode .  lets get rid of the old players next year and keep rebuilding we are 2 full years away from being great.

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Just now, coming on strong said:

that is great. i would take it a step further start rodgers over rhodes , start eason over rivers .  I would even love to see patmon on the field over ty . i just want the team to grow for the future we are not in a win now mode .  lets get rid of the old players next year and keep rebuilding we are 2 full years away from being great.

I’ll keep saying if Rivers is going to keep making rookie mistakes you might as well play the rookie 

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Just now, Grigson's Gaffes said:

So he didn’t carve up two teams with a combined one win? Why is it so hard for you to just admit the dude is cooked and a shell of his former self.

I'd admit that if I believed it, but I don't. When we win but Philip puts up pedestrian stats, some people complain about that, and chalk the victory solely up to our defense, or having just beaten up on a weak team. When we lose, it's all on our QB but I sense a reluctance to credit him when we win.  It doesn't matter to me if Rivers doesn't throw a single touchdown pass, but leads drives that conclude in rushing TDs or field goals and we win. 

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2 minutes ago, Lancer1 said:

I'd admit that if I believed it, but I don't. When we win but Philip puts up pedestrian stats, some people complain about that, and chalk the victory solely up to our defense, or having just beaten up on a weak team. When we lose, it's all on our QB but I sense a reluctance to credit him when we win.  It doesn't matter to me if Rivers doesn't throw a single touchdown pass, but leads drives that conclude in rushing TDs or field goals and we win. 

You'll take a win if it's a win no matter what. Name one game this year that we won because of Rivers. I'll wait.

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3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Phillip Rivers gets this season.   Unless he gets hurt.    Otherwise.....

 

The biggest problems we have are elsewhere...    an under-achieving O-line and now a lack of weapons.   We lost to a good team, there’s no shame here. 
 

But it’s a long season...   a little patience and confidence would help around here....  

I agree with the lack of weapons but rivers is one of the biggest problems.  Generally he plays well but his mistakes are too costly to overcome.  It's a tough situation to be in. 

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28 minutes ago, Grigson's Gaffes said:

Eason won’t be an NFL starting QB, I’ll assure you of that.

Why?  We heard that Eason looked great in camp, and the beat reporters were marveling at his arm strength.  Many people liked him more than Herbert in the draft. 

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2 hours ago, Fluke_33 said:

He isn’t mistake free but the best we have.  Not even a question. 
 

we have a playoff caliber d.  Can’t waste it on a rookie and jb isn’t going to get it done 


I would’ve agreed with you until today’s game.  I think that Rivers may well be spent and we’d be a better team with Brissett under center.

 

But I wouldn’t vote to ditch him now.  He needs to come out and perform better next game.  If he continues to play this poorly, then Frank needs to cut bait and not wait until it’s too late to salvage the season.

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32 minutes ago, Grigson's Gaffes said:

Go check out twitter bud, Keefer, Kravitz, Cowherd, every media personality that covers NFL saying the dude is cooked. I’m sure you know better than all of us though because a site you pay to view says he completes passes down the field. Completely ignoring he only throws down the field when the receiver is completely open.

I have no idea what Cowherd says, nor do I care. He's one of, if not the worst, sports guy out there. He's all shock, no xxxxx.

Keefer called him reckless (which I agree with), not noodle armed. I don't recall Kravitz ever saying that either. And if you want to talk about washed up, Kravitz's pic is in the dictionary lol. 

 

Only throws downfield when completely open? You're really showing your lack of knowledge. You're a hot take king. Watch some film. I've included a vid breakdown of RIvers last week throwing a dime long to Pascal while Pascal is in tight coverage, even before he makes his cut. Enjoy.

 

BTW, I don't pay. Plenty out there for free. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, KB said:

You'll take a win if it's a win no matter what. Name one game this year that we won because of Rivers. I'll wait.

Two can play that game: name one game this year that we lost solely because of him. He's made mistakes in both our losses, but so did other players in both of them and if a few plays had gone the other way, we could've won both those games even with Philip's miscues.

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9 minutes ago, Bolts2Colts said:

Why?  We heard that Eason looked great in camp, and the beat reporters were marveling at his arm strength.  Many people liked him more than Herbert in the draft. 

Maybe the blog boys at bleacher report, there isn’t a talent evaluator in the NFL who did, as evidenced by one going 6th and the other in the 4th round.

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4 minutes ago, Lancer1 said:

Two can play that game: name one game this year that we lost solely because of him. He's made mistakes in both our losses, but so did other players in both of them and if a few plays had gone the other way, we could've won both those games even with Philip's miscues.

Today. He gave up 9 points. We lost by 9 points. If the plays he messed up had gone the other way then yes we could of won, but if the other plays went our way then we still probably would of lost. Those inerceptions and safety were the deciding factor.

 

I wasn't excited about the acquisition, but was hopeful. He ended up being the total opposite of Brissett. Willing to go for the big play but not being safe with the ball.

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37 minutes ago, Grigson's Gaffes said:

Go check out twitter bud, Keefer, Kravitz, Cowherd, every media personality that covers NFL saying the dude is cooked. I’m sure you know better than all of us though because a site you pay to view says he completes passes down the field. Completely ignoring he only throws down the field when the receiver is completely open.

You like Rivers though?

My goodness. We have a famous sports reporter in our midst. As you can see he is including himself with these sports reporters as one of the brilliant minds of the game. 

He has stated under no uncertain terms that Eason will never be a starting QB in the league so Ballard listen carefully.

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7 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

I have no idea what Cowherd says, nor do I care. He's one of, if not the worst, sports guy out there. He's all shock, no xxxxx.

Keefer called him reckless (which I agree with), not noodle armed. I don't recall Kravitz ever saying that either. And if you want to talk about washed up, Kravitz's pic is in the dictionary lol. 

 

Only throws downfield when completely open? You're really showing your lack of knowledge. You're a hot take king. Watch some film. I've included a vid breakdown of RIvers last week throwing a dime long to Pascal while Pascal is in tight coverage, even before he makes his cut. Enjoy.

 

BTW, I don't pay. Plenty out there for free. 

 

 


Rivers made one good throw, he isn’t washed! It was cold in Antarctica today, so global warming isn’t real. Lay off the personal insults. If you think I don’t watch football or I’m ignorant to the game because I don’t agree with you and the minority, that says more about you than me.

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go watch rivers post press video .  tell me this man is a leader , he blames every one but himself . then gets a attitude with the media saying that is the answer you will get like a little kid.    he is not a leader , he picks fights with the other team all the time even when his play is bad .   his attitude is why i did not wanna sign him .  we need a leader i would take brady over him.  go watch brady after a loss then go watch rivers new post video that just came out .

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5 minutes ago, KB said:

Today. He gave up 9 points. We lost by 9 points 

Yes but the defense gave up 23.  They don’t do that and Rivers 9 points don’t matter.  That’s his point there is blame to go around and while Rivers 100% deserves his share he’s not solely to blame.  
 

With that said the point that he hasn’t put the team on his back and carried them to a win is also very true.  Honestly I think the Colts would have the same record right now if they had just stuck with Jacoby.

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1 minute ago, KB said:

Today. He gave up 9 points. We lost by 9 points 

So he's the reason we were backed up against our end zone, resulting in the safety? I don't think so! And if whomever he was throwing to had cut out like he expected instead of ibn, it really wouldn't have mattered that we were way back there because even if that pass wasn't caught, it wouldn't have been a grounding penalty.

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70.   Darius Stills West Virginia      DL5T      6'1"        285 71.   Jackson Carman        Clemson              OT          6'5"        335 72.   Joe Tryon     Washington        EDGE     6'5"        262 73.   Ifeatu Melifonwu     Syracuse              CB           6'3"        212 74.   Talanoa Hufanga      USC        S              6'1"        215 75.   Chazz Surratt              North Carolina   OLB        6'3"        230 76.   Josh Myers Ohio State           OC          6'5''        312 77.   Liam Eichenberg       Notre Dame       OT          6'6"        302 78.   Trey Sermon              Ohio State           RB           6'0"        224 79.   Javonte Williams       North Carolina   RB           5'10"      220 80.   Marlon Williams        UCF        WR         6'0"        215 81.   Michael Carter          North Carolina   RBC        5'9"        195 82.   Paris Ford    Pittsburgh           S              6'0"        190 83.   Levi Onwuzurike      Washington        DL3T      6'3"        293 84.   Dillon Radunz            North Dakota State         OT          6'6''        299 85.   Brevin Jordan            Miami (FL)           TE           6'3"        245 86.   Deonte Brown           Alabama              OG         6'4''        350 87.   Walker Little               Stanford              OT          6'7"        313 88.   Hamilcar Rashed      Oregon State     EDGE     6'3''        248 89.   Chuba Hubbard         Oklahoma State RB           6'1"        207 90.   D'Wayne Eskridge    W Michigan        WRS       5'9"        188 91.   Quincy Roche            Miami (FL)           EDGE     6'4"        235 92.   Anthony Schwartz   Auburn WR         6'0"        197 93.   Jamie Newman         Georgia QB          6'4"        230 94.   Jaelon Darden           North Texas        WRS       5'9"        174 95.   Dyami Brown             North Carolina   WR         6'1"        185 96.   Teven Jenkins            Oklahoma State OT          6'6''        320 97.   Seth Williams             Auburn WR         6'2"        224 98.   Tutu Atwell Louisville              WRS       5'9"        156 99.   Baron Browning        Ohio State           ILB          6'3"        248 100.           Ronnie Perkins  Oklahoma           OLB        6'4'         230 101.           Dazz Newsome North Carolina   WR         5'11"      175 102.           Paulson Adebo  Stanford              CB           6'1"        190 103.           Richard LeCounte III        Georgia S              5'11"      190 104.           Damonte Coxie Memphis             WR         6'3''        197 105.           Aaron Robinson UCF        CB           5'11''      193 106.           Jaret Patterson Buffalo RB           5'9"        195 107.           Drake Jackson    Kentucky             OC          6'2''        292 108.           Sage Surratt        Wake Forest       WR         6'2"        215 109.           Dayo Odeyingbo              Vanderbilt           DL5T      6'5''        279 110.           Israel Mukuamu               South Carolina   CB           6'3"        205 111.           Hunter Long       Boston College  TE           6'5"        253 112.           Kenny Yeboah   Ole Miss               TE           6'4''        240 113.           Marlon Tuipulotu             USC        DL3T      6'1"        308 114.           Divine Deablo    Virginia Tech      S              6'3''        226 115.           Khalil Herbert    Virginia Tech      RBC        5'9"        205 116.           Rashad Weaver Pitt         EDGE     6'5"        270 117.           Eric Stokes          Georgia CB           6'1"        185 118.           Ar'Darius Washington    TCU        S              5'8"        175 119.           Aaron Banks       Notre Dame       OG         6'5"        330 120.           Pete Werner      Ohio State           ILB          6'3''        239 121.           Chris Rumph II   Duke     EDGE     6'3"        225 122.           Tony Poljan        Virginia TE           6'7"        265 123.           Trey Hill                Georgia OC          6'4"        330 124.           Cary Angeline    North Carolina State       TE           6'7"        250 125.           Ihmir Smith-Marsette    Iowa      WR         6'2"        175 126.           Kylin Hill               Mississippi State               RB           5'11"      215 127.           Charles Snowden             Virginia OLB        6'6"        232 128.           Caden Sterns     Texas    S              6'0"        210 129.           Rodarius Williams             Oklahoma State CB           6'0"        193 130.           Quinn Meinerz  UW-Whitewater              OC          6'3"        320 131.           Keith Taylor        Washington        CB           6'3"        191 132.           Elijah Mitchell    Louisiana             RB           5'11"      221 133.           Tedarrell Slaton Florida  DL1T      6'5"        358 134.           Pooka Williams  Kansas  RBC        5'10"      170 135.           Olaijah Griffin    USC        CB           6'0''        170 136.           Torrance Marable            Coastal Carolina                RBC        5'10"      200 137.           Damon Hazelton              Missouri               WR         6'2"        215 138.           Tariq Thompson               San Diego State S              6'0"        200 139.           Ta'Quon Graham              Texas    DL3T      6'4"        294 140.           K.J. Britt                Auburn ILB          6'0"        236 141.           Monty Rice         Georgia OLB        6'1"        235 142.           Kylen Granson   SMU      TE           6'2''        235 143.           Kellen Mond      Texas A&M         QB          6'3"        217 144.           Paddy Fisher      Northwestern   ILB          6'4"        246 145.           Amari Rodgers  Clemson              WR         5'9"        210 146.           Jamien Sherwood            Auburn S              6'2''        220 147.           Max Duffy           Kentucky             P             6'1"        185 148.           Spencer K. Brown             Northern Iowa  OT          6'9''        321 149.           Nico Collins         Michigan              WR         6'4"        222 150.           Tommy Togiai    Ohio State           DL3T      6'2"        300 151.           JaCoby Stevens LSU        S              6'1''        228 152.           Jordan Smith      UAB       EDGE     6'7"        255 153.           Tyler Vaughns   USC        WR         6'2"        190 154.           Jack Anderson   Texas Tech          OG         6'5"        315 155.           Bobby Brown III Texas A&M         DL1T      6'3"        325 156.           Darren Hall          San Diego State CB           6'0"        190 157.           Donovan Stiner Florida  S              6'1"        203 158.           Wyatt Hubert    Kansas State       EDGE     6'3"        270 159.           Thomas Graham Jr.         Oregon CB           5'10"      193 160.           Shemar Jean-Charles      Appalachian State            CB           5'11"      190 161.           Malik Herring     Georgia DL5T      6'3"        283 162.           Daelin Hayes      Notre Dame       EDGE     6'4"        268 163.           Tommy Kraemer              Notre Dame       OG         6'6"        317 164.           Marco Wilson    Florida  CB           6'0"        190 165.           Trill Williams       Syracuse              CB           6'2'         198 166.           Shaka Toney       Penn State          EDGE     6'3"        243 167.           Jimmy Morrissey              Pitt         OC          6'3"        305 168.           Sam Ehlinger      Texas    QB          6'3"        225 169.           Sadarius Hutcherson      South Carolina   OG         6'4"        320 170.           D.J. Daniel           Georgia CB           6'0''        183 171.           Camryn Bynum Cal          CB           6'0''        198 172.           Jermar Jefferson              Oregon State     RBC        5'9"        215 173.           Jose Borregales Miami (FL)           PK           5'10"      205 174.           Alaric Jackson    Iowa      OT          6'6"        315 175.           Brennan Eagles Texas    WR         6'2"        225 176.           Tommy Doyle    Miami (OH)         OT          6'8''        326 177.           Jonathan Marshall           Arkansas              DL1T      6'3"        317 178.           Shane Buechele SMU      QB          6'1"        207 179.           Joshua Kaindoh Florida State       EDGE     6'7"        261 180.           James Hudson   Cincinnati            OT          6'5"        310 181.           Benjamin St-Juste            Minnesota          CB           6'3"        200 182.           Demetric Felton                UCLA     RBC        5'9"        189 183.           Victor Dimukeje Duke     EDGE     6'2"        265 184.           Xavier Kelly         Arkansas              DL3T      6'4"        305 185.           Kary Vincent Jr. LSU        CB           5'10"      182 186.           Noah Gray           Duke     TE           6'4"        240 187.           Adrian Ealy          Oklahoma           OT          6'6"        327 188.           Michal Menet   Penn State          OC          6'4''        305 189.           Pressley Harvin III            Georgia Tech      P             6'0"        255 190.           Amen Ogbongbemiga    Oklahoma State OLB        6'1"        231 191.           T.J. Vasher          Texas Tech          WR         6'6"        210 192.           Josh Imatorbhebhe         Illinois   WR         6'2"        215 193.           Matt Bushman  BYU        TE           6'5"        245 194.           Stevie Scott        Indiana RB           6'2"        231 195.           Brady Christensen           BYU        OT          6'6''        300 196.           Quintin Morris   Bowling Green  TE           6'4"        248 197.           Riley Patterson Memphis             PK           6'0"        190 198.           Malcolm Koonce              Buffalo EDGE     6'3"        250 199.           Robert Rochell   Central Arkansas              CB           6'0''        195 200.           Ben Mason         Michigan              FB           6'3"        254
    • Bender honey we love you SHUT UP BABY I KNOW IT
    • Trade 1: Miami offer picks No.3, No.18, No.50 and Tua Tagavailova to Texans for DeShaun Watson   Trade 2: WFT offers pick No.19 to NYJ for pick No.34 and Sam Darnold   Trade 3: Carolina offers pick No.8 and pick No.104 to Houston for Tua, pick No.18,  and pick No.113   Trade 4: Indianapolis Colts offer pick No.21 (1st) and pick No.118 (4th) to Las Vegas Raiders for Derek Carr   Trade 5: Tennessee Titans offer Pick No.22, Pick No.53 and Pick No.86 to Denver Broncos for Pick No.9   Trade 6: Las Vegas Raiders offer Pick No.21 and Pick No.145 for Carson Wentz and Pick No.37   Trade 7: Carolina Panthers offer Pick No.113 to Eagles for Zach Ertz   Trade 8: New England Patriots trade Patrick Surtain and a 4th rounder to the Los Angeles Chargers for Jaylen Waddle   Trade 9: Los Angeles Chargers trade Patrick Surtain to Carolina Panthers for pick No.18 and No.73   Trade 10: Cleveland Browns trade Jarvis Landry and Pick No.123 to Chicago Bears for their 3rd round pick No.84   Trade 11: Pittsburgh Steelers trade Pick No.55 (2nd), Pick No.88 (3rd) and Pick No.192 (6th) to Bucs for pick No.32   Trade 12: Houston Texans trade pick No.50, No.100 and No.104 to New Orleans Saints for Marshon Lattimore   Round 1   1.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson 2.  NY Jets (2-14) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State 3.  Houston from Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU 4.  Atlanta (4-12) - Penei Sowell, OT, Oregon 5.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - JaMarr Chase, WR, LSU 6.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State 7.  Detroit (5-11) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State 8.  Houston from Carolina (5-11) - DaVonta Smith, WR, Alabama 9.  Titans from Denver (5-11) - Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan 10.  Dallas (6-10) - Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern 11.  NY Giants (6-10) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida 12.  San Francisco (6-10) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech 13.  New England from LA Chargers (7-9) - Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama 14.  Minnesota (7-9) - Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami 15.  Carolina from LA Chargers from New England (7-9) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama 16.  Arizona (8-8) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina 17.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Jaelen Philips, EDGE, Miami 18.  Chargers from Carolina from Houston from Miami (10-6) - Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue 19.  NY Jets From WFT* (7-9) - Najee Harris RB Alabama 20.  Chicago* (8-8) - Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 21.  Philadelphia from Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota 22.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech 23.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Zaven Collins, OLB/DE, Tulsa 24.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Jalen Mayfield, OT, Michigan 25.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trevon Moehring, S, TCU 26.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame 27.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida 28.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh 29.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Terrance Marshall, WR, LSU 30.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State 31.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Wyatt Davis, OG/C, Ohio State 32.  Pittsburgh from Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama   Houston -> Miami: For Laremy Tunsil Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Carolina -> Houston: For Tua LA Rams -> Jacksonville: For Jalen Ramsey Seattle -> NY Jets: For Jamal Adams WFT -> NY Jets For Sam Darnold Indianapolis -> Las Vegas For Derek Carr Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Las Vegas -> Philadelphia for Carson Wentz New England -> Chargers for Jaylen Waddle Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 2   33.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Sam Cosmi, OT, Texas 34.  WFT From NY Jets (2-14) - Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama 35.  Atlanta (4-12) - Creed Humphrey, OG, Oklahoma 36.  Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson 37.  Las Vegas From Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State 38.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Christian Barmore, DL, Alabama 39.  Carolina (5-11) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame 40.  Denver (5-11) - Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State 41.  Detroit (5-11) - Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss 42.  NY Giants (6-10) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State 43.  San Francisco (6-10) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon 44.  Dallas (6-10) - Jay Tufele, DT, USC 45.  Jacksonville - from Minnesota (7-9) - Jackson Carmon, OT, Clemson 46.  New England (7-9) - Joseph Ossai, EDGE/OLB, Texas 47.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State 48.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri 49.  Arizona (8-8) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford 50.  New Orleans From Houston from Miami (10-6) - Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama 51.  WFT* (7-9) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State 52.  Chicago* (8-8) - Kyle Trask, QB, Florida 53.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Jabril Cox, LB, LSU 54.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington 55.  Tampa Bay  from Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest 56.  Seattle* (12-4) - Brady Christiansen, OT, BYU 57.  LA Rams* (10-6) - Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama 58.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia 59.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Richie Grant, Safety, UCF 60.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern 61.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Ronnie Perkins, EDGE, Oklahoma 62.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa 63.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Josh Myers, C, Ohio State 64.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia   Houston -> Miami: Laremy Tunsil Minnesota -> Jacksonville: Yannick Ngakoue NY Jets -> WFT in Sam Darnold trade Philadelphia -> Las Vegas in Carson Wentz trade Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Houston -> New Orleans For Marshon Lattimore Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 3   65.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Tyler Shelvin, DL, LSU 66.  NY Jets (2-14) - Marquez Stevenson, WR, Houston 67.  Houston (4-12) - Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State 68.  Atlanta (4-12) - Marvin Wilson, DL, FSU 69.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati 70.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse 71.  Denver (5-11) - Elijah Molden, CB, Washington 72.  Detroit (5-11) - Alim McNeil, DL, NC State 73.  Los Angeles Chargers From Carolina (5-11) - Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State 74.  WFT - from San Francisco (6-10) - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC 75.  Dallas (6-10) - Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida 76.  NY Giants (6-10) - Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford 77.  New England (7-9) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia 78.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Rashad Weaver, DE, Pittsburgh 79.  Minnesota (7-9) - Osa Odighizuwa, DT, UCLA 80.  Arizona (8-8) - Payton Turner, DE, Houston 81.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Hamsah Nasirldeen, S, FSU 82.  Miami (10-6) - Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State 83.  WFT* (7-9) - Deonte Brown, OG, Alabama 84.  Cleveland From Chicago* (8-8) - Joe Tryon, DE, Washington 85.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Jordan Smith, DE, UAB 86.  Denver From Tennessee* (11-5) - Ar'Darius Washington, S, TCU 87.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse 88.  Tampa Bay From Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Camerone McGrone, LB, Michigan 89.  Detroit - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trey Smith, OG, Tennessee 90.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State 91.  Minnesota - from Baltimore* (11-5) - Ben Cleveland, OG, Georgia 92.  Cleveland - from New Orleans* (12-4) - D’Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Michigan 93.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Chazz Surratt, OLB, North Carolina 94.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia 95.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas 96.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Israel Mukumanu, CB, South Carolina   Baltimore -> Minnesota: Yannick Ngakoue LA Rams -> Detroit: Matthew Stafford New England stripped of draft pick because of Spygate II New Orleans -> Cleveland: 2020 picks San Francisco -> Washington: Trent Williams Seattle -> NY Jets: Jamal Adams Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Chicago -> Cleveland in Jarvis Landry trade Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 4 97.   Jacksonville (1-15) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) - Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn 105.  Denver (5-11) - Quinn Meinerz, OG/OC , Wisconsin - Whitewater 106.  Dallas (6-10) - Jaylen Twyman DT, Pitt 107.  NY Giants (6-10) - Marlon Williams, WR, UCF 108.  San Francisco (6-10) - Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State 110.  Minnesota (7-9) 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) 114.  Miami (10-6) 115.  WFT* (7-9) 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) 120.  Seattle* (12-4) 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5)     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
    • IF MN doesn't pick till tomorrow.....   With 111, the Chargers will select   iOL/C Quinn Meinerz   or OG Kendrick Green, if Meinerez is gone.    
    • With the 109th pick,    Chargers select LB Justin Hilliard from OSU.   Surprised he wasn't up higher on the big board. PFF has him as a late 2nd.     Minnesota Vikings and @coltsfanmurf are on the clock.
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