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Man, we ain't building rockets here.  The concept is simple - if you put a barrier between the outlets that produce the droplets that carry the virus, it reduces the transmission.  It is not full proo

No offense, but I find your unqualified and unsupported comments exceptionally ill informed, and does jack squat to help people.   First, this video changed has a physicians position on mask

16 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

i got sunday ticket after i moved to new jersey .  its worth it being able to watch every game .  you dont need direct tv.  that was my biggest fear after leaving indiana for college .  Now you dont even have to get direct tv .   I live in new jersey now and if i did not have sunday ticket im stuck with the eagles and jets and giants every week .  horrible choices .

I have ST and Sirius/XM but haven’t been able been able to use ST much because of the WNBA(LV Aces) schedule

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20 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

I'm going to a 'marriage night' sponsored by our church.  Believe me, I'll have my N95 and sanitizer and maintain distance, yet try to enjoy the night with my wife and other like minded folks.  I do not want to be one of those "I always do the right thing, but slipped up this one time" ... guy. (We are phase 3 in FL, and no mask mandates here...)

 

We just got home. I was the only person there that had a mask.  There were plenty of well spaced out, large round tables. Only 3 couples per table still afforded lots of room and at least 4-5 feet of distance to next closest person but I still wore my mask 75% of the time. It was removed only during the dining portion.

 

I did my best, so if I get it I know the only way to avoid it was to not go (my wife deserves time attention, and conversation with her husband and close friends away from the home now and then) or not eat.  Neither was even a consideration.  I'll be safe, but not act (or not act like I'm) in fear.

 

 

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2 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Darn! I'm  in West Palm Beach  viewing area and still not getting Colts game.

Ft. Myers, same. :(

2 hours ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Feel sorry for everyone that is outside of the Indianapolis window

:( that's me

1 hour ago, csmopar said:

I’m gonna start by saying I’m okay with mask wearing and do when out in town or around non family.

 

 

that said, my unit was briefed in April that they weren’t able to confirm that any masks outside of our M40s series would actually work to slow or stop the spread of anything.  So please, tell me how a cut up t-shirt or a scarf or a a couple layers of cotton will guarantee reduce it? 
 

so why do I wear one? Well, honestly it’s mostly just so I don’t have to deal with anyone judging or getting bent out of shape over not wearing it. Do I think that a piece of clothe is going today stop the most deadly virus since the Spanish flu? Nope, not at all. But i also get that others are scared crap less right now so I’m okay with wearing it to help qualm some of those fears.   

Careful... starting to teeter on that political line. 

 

If you don't mind, watch this video, then re-read your post and give us an update.

 

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1 hour ago, csmopar said:

It’s all good. Just don’t wanna see you get hemmed up over it. The thing is, if I’ve learned anything during my military days, it’s that if one needs someone to tell them to do something that is common sense and they expect to hear that from the chain of command, no matter who it is, then they are already screwed.

 

 

just one thing, paint molecules are much, much larger than a virus.  
 

 

I knew ishould have mentioned molecule size (aeronautical engineering major) but i assumed you would get the picture.

Bottom line is, SOME molecules will stick, REDUCING the amountspread.  Come on, youknow this . Its not rocket science, which actually, i could also explain if  needed.

The ONLY medical professionals that  will contradict that masks, any masks, help reduce transmission are those being told to contradict it.  Or they got their medical degree ina cracker jack box.

And actually, the military specifies everything, even commonsense things.  Like making a bed, shining shoes, etc.

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28 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

I knew ishould have mentioned molecule size (aeronautical engineering major) but i assumed you would get the picture.

Bottom line is, SOME molecules will stick, REDUCING the amountspread.  Come on, youknow this . Its not rocket science, which actually, i could also explain if  needed.

 

Correct. However many just don't realize we people don't just spew out plain virus, we spew out various size globs of mucous that contain virus. This is droplets and military folks should understand the concept of ballistics, which these droplets mimic.  And that their size is some to much greater than the virus alone. Quite able to be filtered. Or eventually just fall to the ground in trajectory. Very tiny droplets may evaporate (the carrier, mucous evaporates) in the air before making it to the ground and are now viral aerosols, floating in air.  True, they are smaller than pores of most masks (R95 is very effective, and even N95 respirator masks are quite effective at filtering such aerosol virus), but even on homemade cloth masks some can get filtered (possibly via electrostatic action and/or plain luck as it hits a thread(s) of the weave, etc.) reducing viral load. Viral load is a key factor in the equation.

 

I've posted (a few times) about an eye opening research video on YouTube via a very credentialed infectious disease specialist Dr. and Professor of Medicine at UCSF. I wish everybody could see this video, it was so compelling info when I was asked to view it.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Ft. Myers, same. :(

:( that's me

 

If you don't mind, watch this video, then re-read your post and give us an update.

 

Great video.

Get that woman on the covid task force..... pronto!

its refreshing to see an intelligent, factual, transparent professional speaking like an adult.

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10 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Correct. However many just don't realize we people don't just spew out plain virus, we spew out various size globs of mucous that contain virus. This is droplets and military folks should understand the concept of ballistics, which these droplets mimic.  And that their size is some to much greater than the virus alone. Quite able to be filtered. Very tiny droplets may evaporate (the carrier, mucous evaporates) in the air before making it to the ground and are now viral aerosols, floating in air.  True, they are smaller than pores of most masks (R95 is very effective, and even N95 respirator masks are quite effective at filtering such aerosol virus), but even on homemade cloth masks some can get filtered (possibly via electrostatic action and/or plain luck as it hits a thread(s) of the weave, etc.) reducing viral load. Viral load is a key factor in the equation.

 

I've posted (a few times) about an eye opening research video on YouTube via a very credentialed infectious disease specialist Dr. and Professor of Medicine at UCSF. I wish everybody could see this video, it was so compelling info when I was asked to view it.

 

 

Yes.

it takes far more of the smaller molecules to infect someone. So  just by reducing the size of molecules, youare reducing the potential for spread.  Youwould have To be near an infected person for a longer period Of time to contract the virus. Conversely, with no mask, hence. Larger molecules, theoretically you could contract virus in shorter period of time while bombarded with fewer , tholarger, molecules.

seems elementary.

The best example i cangive is picture Bill Cowher talking with nomask. 

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41 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:

Yes.

it takes far more of the smaller molecules to infect someone. So  just by reducing the size of molecules, youare reducing the potential for spread.  Youwould have To be near an infected person for a longer period Of time to contract the virus. Conversely, with no mask, hence. Larger molecules, theoretically you could contract virus in shorter period of time while bombarded with fewer , tholarger, molecules.

seems elementary.

The best example i cangive is picture Bill Cowher talking with nomask. 

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3 hours ago, holeymoley99 said:

Barely missed my area on the plus side with only 3 late games total the sports bar will have plenty of sets tuned into the game and maybe even volume 

 

Drive home safe. Lol

Actually I may do the same, have to time a late lunch. Maybe Taco Nachos at Dave's Last Resort in Lake Worth? :D

 

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33 minutes ago, shakedownstreet said:

 

I saw him walking down Georgia Street one time during the combine. Sometimes you think you saw a celebrity but aren't sure. I saw his chin and I was 100% sure

Many years ago in the 80s, right After top gun came out, i was sitting in a McDonalds in central Pa and a brand new Porsche 911 targa pulled in the lot.  A couple guys got out but i paid no attention as i was looking at the car.  They came in , ordered and sat in booth next to me.  It took a while, but i finally realized it was Tom Cruise.  I was the only one to recognize him as he wasnt “big or well known yet.  But the voice was obvious.  I left them alone but listened to them.  It seems he just bought the car in Illinois (probably with movie check) and were headed to Jersey where he lived at the time. That guy is even shorter than you think.

  I also was speechless when Heather Locklear was walked up to my college roomate and i in Daytona at a hotel bar/dance club (in the late 80s)and asked if “he had a room here.”  We were speechless!  Then we realized he had his MTV credentials around his neck   She was looking for a VIP room.  Bummer !   We thought she was looking for a little 3-way action.  Haha.

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8 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Ft. Myers, same. :(

:( that's me

 

If you don't mind, watch this video, then re-read your post and give us an update.

 


We spend 10 days on FMB every Thanksgiving. Looking forward to getting back there in a couple of months if the virus does not mess things up  too much between now and then. Will be a different trip for sure if we do make it down. More beach / condo time than going out to dinner. 

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9 hours ago, csmopar said:

I’m gonna start by saying I’m okay with mask wearing and do when out in town or around non family.

 

 

that said, my unit was briefed in April that they weren’t able to confirm that any masks outside of our M40s series would actually work to slow or stop the spread of anything.  So please, tell me how a cut up t-shirt or a scarf or a a couple layers of cotton will guarantee reduce it? 
 

so why do I wear one? Well, honestly it’s mostly just so I don’t have to deal with anyone judging or getting bent out of shape over not wearing it. Do I think that a piece of clothe is going today stop the most deadly virus since the Spanish flu? Nope, not at all. But i also get that others are scared crap less right now so I’m okay with wearing it to help qualm some of those fears.   

Careful... starting to teeter on that political line. 


I would hope your department is not still basing anything on a report that was done in April. That feels like a decade ago - the world and data has changed a lot since then. 
 

And isn’t it common sense that even the lightest of fabric someone uses for a mask does some good to prevent spread?  No one has suggested full proof but something covering your nose and pie hole mitigates some level of risk. 

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17 hours ago, #12. said:

Fall season - it's just the beginning of this.  People need to stop being idi0ts and wear masks and take precautions.  

They hit each other skin to skin. How exactly does a mask help with that? All these players have family and girlfriends and kids who also contact them. If they are doing this now chaos will ensue the rest of the season. They will never complete 16 games. Regular cold flu season will lock down the world in a month and we'll have much bigger problems than a discontinued football season. Masks will not solve footballs problems. 

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3 hours ago, JPFolks said:

They hit each other skin to skin. How exactly does a mask help with that? All these players have family and girlfriends and kids who also contact them. If they are doing this now chaos will ensue the rest of the season. They will never complete 16 games. Regular cold flu season will lock down the world in a month and we'll have much bigger problems than a discontinued football season. Masks will not solve footballs problems. 

 

You present some very real challenges. Meanwhile the rest of us are hopeful for a full 16 game season 

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Football "experts" in these leagues think players should be able to move their heads in physically impossible ways to keep the helmets on them from making any contact with squatting/falling ball carriers above their shoulders, and people expect them to get policy correct on a still mutating and little known new killer virus?

 

Spending just a few seconds rattling that around your brains "should" tell you everything here about sports leagues being involved in making decisions about such things. Which also goes to the much larger issue of sports leagues making decisions on anything outside just their sports only for the rest of society to follow. An unfortunate path way too many in our society decided to embark on quite a while ago now.

 

Apologies, but this overall topic has razzed my * for decades now.

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It cannot work as we see personnel on the bench and sideline and some are not wearing a mask. It only takes one to spread it.  I know there is no such thing as perfect but at least try. How would you feel knowing you gave this virus to your teammates? We are seeing a great example of how persistent this virus is now on all news broadcasts proving no one is immune and now they are paying the price. Wear a  :censored2: mask!!! 

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41 minutes ago, King Colt said:

It cannot work as we see personnel on the bench and sideline and some are not wearing a mask. It only takes one to spread it.  I know there is no such thing as perfect but at least try. How would you feel knowing you gave this virus to your teammates? We are seeing a great example of how persistent this virus is now on all news broadcasts proving no one is immune and now they are paying the price. Wear a  :censored2: mask!!! 

 

Not trying to go too deep down this rabbit hole but masks do not offer absolute protection from the virus. The fact is, the virus is all around and while it's important to take mitigating steps (mask wearing, wash hands etc.), sometimes people will still end up with the virus anyway.

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7 minutes ago, Restored said:

 

Not trying to go too deep down this rabbit hole but masks do not offer absolute protection from the virus. The fact is, the virus is all around and while it's important to take mitigating steps (mask wearing, wash hands etc.), sometimes people will still end up with the virus anyway.

 

Not sure anyone in has said masks are absolutes.  

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27 minutes ago, jskinnz said:

 

Not sure anyone in has said masks are absolutes.  

 

When people are saying "wear a mask", they are assuming that people who got the virus maybe weren't wearing a mask or those that had it weren't wearing a mask.

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3 minutes ago, Restored said:

 

When people are saying "wear a mask", they are assuming that people who got the virus maybe weren't wearing a mask or those that had it weren't wearing a mask.


No one has said masks offer absolute protection

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Just now, jskinnz said:


No one has said masks offer absolute protection

 

Who? Medical experts? I'm talking about the general population. You'd be surprised how many people think those cloth masks they wear will make them invincible to the virus.

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10 minutes ago, IinD said:

Since this turned into a medical debate and I didn't see it in the thread, are we the 430 national tv game??

 

Sort of, the Bills - Raiders has the larger viewing audience ( which is bad for me :( ) though.

Colts-Bears in green, Bills-Raiders in blue.

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50 minutes ago, Restored said:

 

Who? Medical experts? I'm talking about the general population. You'd be surprised how many people think those cloth masks they wear will make them invincible to the virus.

I don't think this is true at all. People say over and over and over that masks reduce the likelihood, particularly of spreading to others, not eliminate it. Think you're mostly wrong here. 

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10 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

Sort of, the Bills - Raiders has the larger viewing audience ( which is bad for me :( ) though.

Colts-Bears in green, Bills-Raiders in blue.

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Thanks. Greatly appreciated.

 

Just wanted to know if I could dvr it because my guide still says KC/NE, but guess not, it's a fire stick day.

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While not entirely the main coverage, we’re about to have a lot of eyes on this game. “When the lights come on, the stars come out.” - Dwight Freeney 

 

Would love to see some young guys on this roster flip the switch and turn into big time playmakers... or just see D. Leonard put a big performance together. He deserves a big viewership watch what he can do. Let’s ball out baby. 

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2 hours ago, Restored said:

 

Not trying to go too deep down this rabbit hole but masks do not offer absolute protection from the virus. The fact is, the virus is all around and while it's important to take mitigating steps (mask wearing, wash hands etc.), sometimes people will still end up with the virus anyway.

So it's ok to not wear them? Ask The White House

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8 hours ago, jskinnz said:
 

And isn’t it common sense that even the lightest of fabric someone uses for a mask does some good to prevent spread?  No one has suggested full proof but something covering your nose and pie hole mitigates some level of risk. 

That is EXACTLY my point...

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16 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

 

And actually, the military specifies everything, even commonsense things.  Like making a bed, shining shoes, etc.

I guess I should have spelled it out a bit better but I assumed that everyone was tracking, the military, despite the other unconfirmable status of masks and their effectiveness, still requires masks to enter all buildings and is actively taking other measures. 
 

im not arguing against masks, I’m just saying that no one knows their effectiveness and that’s been debated by medical experts on both sides of this coin. 

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15 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I guess I should have spelled it out a bit better but I assumed that everyone was tracking, the military, despite the other unconfirmable status of masks and their effectiveness, still requires masks to enter all buildings and is actively taking other measures. 
 

im not arguing against masks, I’m just saying that no one knows their effectiveness and that’s been debated by medical experts on both sides of this coin. 

But you do seem to be arguing against science. Why is the effectiveness of masks unconfirmable? You can talk about medical experts on both sides of the coin, but there's a growing collection of evidence by credible experts on one side of that coin that is lacking on the other side. 

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40 minutes ago, BeanDiasucci said:

But you do seem to be arguing against science. Why is the effectiveness of masks unconfirmable? You can talk about medical experts on both sides of the coin, but there's a growing collection of evidence by credible experts on one side of that coin that is lacking on the other side. 

the problem is the type of mask people are wearing .  These home made mask and some cheap store mask have been tested and do not even stop your breathe at all . People are able to still blow out a candle with them.    You need at least a surgical mask , or a n95 mask .  I see people making mask out of tee shirts , why not just buy a correct mask and save your life?

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1 hour ago, coming on strong said:

the problem is the type of mask people are wearing .  These home made mask and some cheap store mask have been tested and do not even stop your breathe at all . People are able to still blow out a candle with them.    You need at least a surgical mask , or a n95 mask .  I see people making mask out of tee shirts , why not just buy a correct mask and save your 

 

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