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They have Glow as 4th best guard and Nelson as 6th best guard.  It looks like they both have almost elite scores as run blockers and average pass blockers.  Kelly is a good pass blocker, but a very poor run blocker for some reason.  Smith is good at both pass and run.  AC is much like Kelly in that he is good at pass blocking, but poor at run blocking.  If Kelly could work on his run blocking we could gut defenses with Taylor and Wilkins.   

 

Speaking of Wilkins, he has a score of 81 through 2 games.  9 higher than Mack and 16 higher than Taylor.  He needs more touches.  

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So happy for Mo.  Loved the way he bounced back from that first target.  And I wonder how many first team reps he possibly could have had with Rivers?  
 

I thought Glowinski was supposed to be the weak link on the OL?  Good to see him doing so well. 
 

As far as Wilkins, Rivers was raving about him after the game. Hope he gets more carries so JT stays fresh. 

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Wilkins is better at making people miss and yards after contact.  JT is a rookie so, hopefully, he will get better.  He only caused 2 defenders to miss last week and averaged 3 yards after contact.  He just needs to be more patient and let holes develop.

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7 minutes ago, PrNum1 said:

Doyle is a nice player but Big Mo is something special.

 

A young Antonio Gates !!!

MO isn’t really that young. He is 27. But I suppose in football years he would be since he played basketball.

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44 minutes ago, bigt said:

They have Glow as 4th best guard and Nelson as 6th best guard.  It looks like they both have almost elite scores as run blockers and average pass blockers.  Kelly is a good pass blocker, but a very poor run blocker for some reason.  Smith is good at both pass and run.  AC is much like Kelly in that he is good at pass blocking, but poor at run blocking.  If Kelly could work on his run blocking we could gut defenses with Taylor and Wilkins.   

 

Speaking of Wilkins, he has a score of 81 through 2 games.  9 higher than Mack and 16 higher than Taylor.  He needs more touches.  


Wilkins played one game...in garbage time. He will get more touches...but I am it putting much stock into PFF grades for RBs.

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2 hours ago, Introspect said:

Gotta be proud for my fellow VCU RAM! Show the league how we ball in Virginia!

I'm not a Ram, but I still agree with the 2nd part.

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4 hours ago, bigt said:

 Kelly is a good pass blocker, but a very poor run blocker for some reason.  Smith is good at both pass and run.  AC is much like Kelly in that he is good at pass blocking, but poor at run blocking.  If Kelly could work on his run blocking we could gut defenses with Taylor and Wilkins.   

Not sure others see what you're seeing here.... After last year, Kelly was ranked sixth overall center by PFF, fourth best Run blocking center and one of only seven to give up one or less sacks.....

 

As for your call on the guards, even as a rookie Nelson was 2nd among all OG in times he let his man, Within 5ft. Of the QB, again....as a rookie.... He hasn't exactly fallen off here, or anywhere....

 

And the oft-labeled "weak-link" ( aka least of a great unit) Glowinski's pass pro as thought of by others?..... Well, he did give up 42 pressures in some 700 snaps..... So yeah, you got that one pretty accurate.

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Just now, Shafty138 said:

Not sure others see what you're seeing here.... After last year, Kelly was ranked sixth overall center by PFF, fourth best Run blocking center and one of only seven to give up one or less sacks.....

 

As for your call on the guards, even as a rookie Nelson was 2nd among all OG in times he let his man, Within 5ft. Of the QB, again....as a rookie.... He hasn't exactly fallen off here, or anywhere....

 

And the oft-labeled "weak-link" ( aka least of a great unit) Glowinski's pass pro as thought of by others?..... Well, he did give up 42 pressures in some 700 snaps..... So yeah, you got that one pretty accurate.

As for the tackles, smith is decent in pass pro, very good run blocking, AC is great in pass pro, and decent in run game.....

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All this off season there were those who were talking about how bad Glow was. That he was the weakest link and needed to be replaced. And when Pinter was drafted how he could step in and take Glows spot. 

 

 Y'all are looking kind of uninformed at this point. 

 

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Q is just an average pass blocker? Who says and for what period of time? 

 

Wilkins always has good numbers, not just in garbage time. Guy just can't seem to get any respect for some reason. 

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8 minutes ago, cbear said:

Q is just an average pass blocker? Who says and for what period of time? 

 

Wilkins always has good numbers, not just in garbage time. Guy just can't seem to get any respect for some reason. 


I wonder if he’s poor in pass pro? I’ve thought he looks good in there in the past.

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8 hours ago, Shafty138 said:

Not sure others see what you're seeing here.... After last year, Kelly was ranked sixth overall center by PFF, fourth best Run blocking center and one of only seven to give up one or less sacks.....

 

As for your call on the guards, even as a rookie Nelson was 2nd among all OG in times he let his man, Within 5ft. Of the QB, again....as a rookie.... He hasn't exactly fallen off here, or anywhere....

 

And the oft-labeled "weak-link" ( aka least of a great unit) Glowinski's pass pro as thought of by others?..... Well, he did give up 42 pressures in some 700 snaps..... So yeah, you got that one pretty accurate.

Just going off PFF numbers through 2 games, not  career stats for offensive linemen.  Not sure what  criteria they use to grade run block vs pass block.  Just saying PFF has Glow and Q rated much higher at run vs pass through 2 games and AC and RK graded the opposite while Braden Smith is in the low 70s for both run and pass which is a good score on both - just through 2 games.  That may all change as season goes on.

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12 hours ago, bigt said:

May have been in garbage time, but he has averaged 5.7 yards per carry over his 3 year career.


He’s been efficient his whole career. But for some reason...they don’t like him in a volume role.

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I am hoping, against the Jets, if we jump out to an early lead, they switch back and forth between Taylor and Wilkins and keep them in for complete drives.  Like they did Taylor last week so each can build an equal amount of familiarity with the Oline and see how each stacks up when the game is still on the line.  Who knows, maybe Wilkins will break out like Mo did last week.

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21 hours ago, bigt said:

If Kelly could work on his run blocking we could gut defenses with Taylor and Wilkins


Go watch 2018 tape and see the difference of the run game with and without Kelly and then come back here with this statement. There’s a reason Ryan Kelly is the highest paid center now... because front offices don’t read into PFF when making their own evaluations.

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Mo needs to become the #1 tight end. He gives us so many mismatches with that huge frame. When Phil threw him that deep ball Mo was just towering over those DBs. Cant wait till Sunday to see what Phil does with him.

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On 9/21/2020 at 8:08 PM, Colts_Fan12 said:

Mo is such a beast and one of my favorite colts really hoping this leads to a bigger role for him! 

I mean, he has to have a pretty large role, he's the only TE left with any experience at the time ....

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34 minutes ago, AustexColt said:

We are building up a nice stable of TE's.  With MO, Noah and Hentges... its going to be really nice. I think we should let Burton and Doyle sit out for awhile. These players maybe our future. 

I'd pump the brakes a bit on that for the moment. MAC looked fantastic, but we'll need to see if he can do it more than just once. Noah didn't show anything yet aside from costing a timeout because he didn't know where to line-up and missing a block or 2. Hentges is encouraging, but we haven't seen him in a regular season game yet.

 

Definitely some potential there, but the jury is absolutely still out.

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On 9/22/2020 at 5:44 AM, crazycolt1 said:

All this off season there were those who were talking about how bad Glow was. That he was the weakest link and needed to be replaced. And when Pinter was drafted how he could step in and take Glows spot. 

 

 Y'all are looking kind of uninformed at this point. 

 

 

 Actually, very informed, based on past performance.
Glow graded well as we were going 1-5 2 years ago, then kinda stunk it up the rest of the season.
And was good for about the first four games last season. Then ended up graded around 44-45 best for the season. Hopefully he has a healthy season, and a better Season than history shows to be expected.

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1 hour ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Actually, very informed, based on past performance.
Glow graded well as we were going 1-5 2 years ago, then kinda stunk it up the rest of the season.
And was good for about the first four games last season. Then ended up graded around 44-45 best for the season. Hopefully he has a healthy season, and a better Season than history shows to be expected.

Yeah well when he was being ragged on he was dealing with injury. 

But lets not that get in the way of pointing a finger and being negative. 

There are examples all over fan forums where the uninformed think they can judge but yet be wrong. 

PFF grading system does not take into account the reality of being a football player. 

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