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Monday's #ColtsCamp Practice Notebook: Pads Come On For First Time, Rivers & Hilton Continue Making Plays, Houston & Smith Held Out


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Today obviously was the first day in pads at camp this year, and you could definitely notice the intensity picking up. Philip Rivers & T.Y. Hilton continued their momentum from Sunday's practice, while a couple key starters — Justin Houston and Braden Smith — were held out, and another, Kenny Moore II, exited midway through.

Today's full #ColtsCamp Notebook can be found by clicking here.

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30 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

I’d rather get injuries and setbacks out of the way now. Hopefully we’re not going into the start of this season already down a few key guys. 

It doesn't work like that. You don't "use" up your injuries. It just makes it more likely now that we'll have more guys injured between now and the regular season with two weeks of training camp left. 

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46 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

It doesn't work like that. You don't "use" up your injuries. It just makes it more likely now that we'll have more guys injured between now and the regular season with two weeks of training camp left. 

It doesn't work like that. An injury to a player today has no effect on an injury to another player next week.

 

 

Sorry, couldn't resist!

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1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

It doesn't work like that. You don't "use" up your injuries. It just makes it more likely now that we'll have more guys injured between now and the regular season with two weeks of training camp left. 


Woukd you like to explain this view?   You lost me....      “more likely” ??    Huh?

 

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3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:


Woukd you like to explain this view?   You lost me....      “more likely” ??    Huh?

 

Indyfan said he'd rather get injuries out of the way now. I was merely trying to say (said it poorly) that just because you get injuries early in training camp doesn't mean you won't also get them in the next couple of weeks. It doesn't "get them out of the way". You still have the same chance of getting just as injured in the next couple weeks, plus the injuries you've already accumulated. Best way I can say it.

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Hoping for a healthy competition. Also, not that I would want to get "injuries" out of the way, there is a thought to possibly having injury prone guys get injured now, and let the one's that can play a full season get some reps.

 

Weird thought, not always true, but it is a thought. 

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6 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

It doesn't work like that. You don't "use" up your injuries. It just makes it more likely now that we'll have more guys injured between now and the regular season with two weeks of training camp left. 

You literally...took and responded to that completely opposite of how I meant. 

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7 hours ago, krunk said:

Looks to me like the Rivers/Hilton connection will probably be just as good as the Rivers/Kennan Allen connection.   Glad these two are not taking long to get things together!

 

The problem with TY is that you have to get him the ball because of his stature.  He's not some sizeable WR that can get his own ball.  He's a small tweener that can burn it up.  The problem with QBs like Brissett and any other QB not name Phillip or Luck is that they didn't have the arm to get it to him.  You either have to hit him in stride because he's moving so fast or squeeze it in/throw him open.  TY is essentially a slot receiver playing the #1 spot.  Yeah, there's been WRs his height who's had success but not his weight.  TY is 183 pounds.

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2 hours ago, smittywerb said:

 

The problem with TY is that you have to get him the ball because of his stature.  He's not some sizeable WR that can get his own ball.  He's a small tweener that can burn it up.  The problem with QBs like Brissett and any other QB not name Phillip or Luck is that they didn't have the arm to get it to him.  You either have to hit him in stride because he's moving so fast or squeeze it in/throw him open.  TY is essentially a slot receiver playing the #1 spot.  Yeah, there's been WRs his height who's had success but not his weight.  TY is 183 pounds.


Separation is more important than size.  TY gets open, period.  He uses his speed and shiftiness to create space.  It doesn’t matter how big a receiver is if they can’t get open.  
 

We’ve had plenty of taller WRs In the preseason who couldn’t make the team.  Also TY rarely takes a big hit. Kind of like Marvin.  Even counting last season he’s been as durable as any WR with the same years in the league.  

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On 8/18/2020 at 7:20 AM, Smonroe said:


Separation is more important than size.  TY gets open, period.  He uses his speed and shiftiness to create space.  It doesn’t matter how big a receiver is if they can’t get open.  
 

We’ve had plenty of taller WRs In the preseason who couldn’t make the team.  Also TY rarely takes a big hit. Kind of like Marvin.  Even counting last season he’s been as durable as any WR with the same years in the league.  

 

I'm not saying he doesn't get open, but his window to hit him is a lot smaller than other receivers because of how small and fast he is.

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1 minute ago, smittywerb said:

 

I'm not saying he doesn't get open, but his window to hit him is a lot smaller than other receivers because of how small and fast he is.

 

Oh, I agree.  He's not going to win too many one on one jump balls.  I was just pointing out that the ability to separate is more important than size.  His career speaks for itself.

 

From what I've read, it seems like in practice, the first pass always goes to TY.  All that being said, we know how Rivers likes his big receivers.  

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