Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

The WR no one is talking about.


Recommended Posts

Parris Cambell. 

 

I think we have forgotten the potential of this guy, and with drafting Pittman, he will just be in the slot where is does his best work.

 

Can anyone say the Colts WR group is underrated this year? 

 

 

College highlights:

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

No one has forgotten about him but he needs some more work. Granted that may take time and guys like Reggie Wayne didn’t explode their first couple years in the league but we need him to step up big time this year

Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree, but I think this entire group just needs to stay healthy. If TY, Parris and Daurice Fountain are all healthy, Pascal keeps improving, and Pittman is as advertised, this is going to be a great group.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, ar1888 said:

I really like Campbell, but he has to learn to run a route tree. Bubble le abd slip screens are fine,but he needs to be able to do more. 

Couldn't that be said about all rookie WRs?

Look at his time on the field and he is a rookie. 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, csmopar said:

No one has forgotten about him but he needs some more work. Granted that may take time and guys like Reggie Wayne didn’t explode their first couple years in the league but we need him to step up big time this year

The most important thing is for all of these guys to step up and make plays when they are called upon. 

I think Rivers will be the key as he has a set of skilled players as good as he has ever had. The talent is there no doubt.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not talking about him because he has a lot to prove, primarily his ability to stay on the field all year long. Gotta keep the Porsche on the road, like Reich said. But I really liked him before the draft, I'm glad we have him, and I'm excited to see him get back to work.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

I remember Polian saying the three primary assets they looked for in a WR:

 

Good hands

The ability to get open (speaks to route running)

The intelligence to adjust, when needed (i.e. breaking off a route, when there’s a blitz).

 

 

He also said speed was an important asset but it wasn’t the primary reason to draft a WR.

 

Of course, other things like consistency and blocking for the run game matters and perhaps there is a little more emphasis on speed, with the current regime, and a “team first” mentality. 
 

There are question marks with this group (inexperience and staying healthy) but IF they live up to their potential, this could be the deepest WR group we’ve seen in a long time.
 

 

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Superman said:

I'm not talking about him because he has a lot to prove, primarily his ability to stay on the field all year long. Gotta keep the Porsche on the road, like Reich said. But I really liked him before the draft, I'm glad we have him, and I'm excited to see him get back to work.

Yep, same... was very high on him before the draft. Felt kind of disappointed and frustrated last year... both with his injuries and with the way he was playing when he was on the field. He does have some special traits so... here's to hopefully Rivers and Reich uncovering some of them this year. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/10/2020 at 4:50 PM, NannyMcafee said:

Parris Cambell. 

 

I think we have forgotten the potential of this guy, and with drafting Pittman, he will just be in the slot where is does his best work.

 

Can anyone say the Colts WR group is underrated this year? 

 

 

College highlights:

 

If you ask me Fountain is the WR no one is talking about. Guy lit it up during camp last season. If he can return to that same form our WR Corp will be very Deep.

Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, ProblChld32 said:

If you ask me Fountain is the WR no one is talking about. Guy lit it up during camp last season. If he can return to that same form our WR Corp will be very Deep.

 

I must have missed the comments about cambell. But I haven't been as active this off season. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, NannyMcafee said:

 

I must have missed the comments about cambell. But I haven't been as active this off season. 

I have seen a number of NFL media people talk about Campbell.... not in a glowing sense, but when they mention the Colts offense, they list him off as one of the weapons at Rivers' disposal. I think at some point i've seen it on Good Morning Football and also on the Around the NFL Podcast. Gregg Rosenthal is plugged in on him a bit. Again, no one is predicting he is going to come out and take over the league or anything, but they are talking about him as one of Rivers' weapons.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/10/2020 at 10:42 PM, Superman said:

I'm not talking about him because he has a lot to prove, primarily his ability to stay on the field all year long. Gotta keep the Porsche on the road, like Reich said. But I really liked him before the draft, I'm glad we have him, and I'm excited to see him get back to work.

Couldn’t agree more! 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I've seen mentions of Campbell in several articles. One was on second year breakout players on O. Let's face it though, most attention will be on Pittman as a rook, and TY as the aging #1 trying to rebound from injury. I'd say more folks are talking about him than Pascal, who was our #1 last year in terms of yards.

 

I fully expect Campbell to perform well this year if he's healthy, as I also expect TY and Pittman to do well. If I had to name a WR that I think will surprise, or outperform expectation, I'd pick either Dulin or Fountain.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

The great thing about Campbell is he doesn’t need a lot of touches to effect the game. He has the ability to break one with every touch. I am excited to watch him. We will see him be a lot of what Debo Samual is for SF. He can be used in so many ways. If this offense stays healthy we are going to be very good. TY was back on the field yesterday too. Hopefully Campbell and Pittman our the colts one and two for years to come.

Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

The great thing about Campbell is he doesn’t need a lot of touches to effect the game. He has the ability to break one with every touch. I am excited to watch him. We will see him be a lot of what Debo Samual is for SF. He can be used in so many ways. If this offense stays healthy we are going to be very good. TY was back on the field yesterday too. Hopefully Campbell and Pittman our the colts one and two for years to come.

 

Purely my opinion, but I think Campbell will probably benefit the most from having Rivers as a QB. JB was unwilling/unable to throw quality balls to the seam, and Rivers doesn't have that problem. Same with the deep balls, but I think the seam routes will be far more productive this year.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

 

Purely my opinion, but I think Campbell will probably benefit the most from having Rivers as a QB. JB was unwilling/unable to throw quality balls to the seam, and Rivers doesn't have that problem. Same with the deep balls, but I think the seam routes will be far more productive this year.

Absolutely. Rivers ball placement and getting the balk out quick should give him a lot of YAC.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Absolutely. Rivers ball placement and getting the balk out quick should give him a lot of YAC.

I'm just happy it'll open up the middle of the field. We were horrible last year in that aspect. Rogers and our TEs were often wide open and we just rarely threw the ball there. While our slots and TEs ran a lot of clear outs for the X and Z, the Ds would almost ignore that area of the field. It's going to be really nice seeing the entire field in use, and will definitely make things easier on TY. The YAC will come simply with spreading the ball around and making the D respect all the routes. I think we'll see both TY and Campbell benefit in that aspect.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I have to wonder what this team will see from Dullin. He is also an intriguing guy with speed and enough size. All of the guys we have really have that intriguing factor, someone just has to show the end result and it becomes spectacular. 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

Purely my opinion, but I think Campbell will probably benefit the most from having Rivers as a QB. JB was unwilling/unable to throw quality balls to the seam, and Rivers doesn't have that problem. Same with the deep balls, but I think the seam routes will be far more productive this year.

 

I also thought a big problem with Brissett last year was that he was often slow going through his reads (or just wasn't looking through all of them).  Rivers, on the other hand, has been very solid in this aspect and doesn't seem to shy away from spreading the ball out.  Rivers also has had a lot of success with the kind of hybrid RB/WR (e.g., Darren Sproles, Austin Ekeler).  We have Hines who fills a similar niche there, but I also think Campbell can be used very similarly since he is so fast and athletic.  Regardless, I think Campbell is a major beneficiary of having a new (hopefully improved) QB on this team.

 

16 minutes ago, Jdubu said:

I have to wonder what this team will see from Dullin. He is also an intriguing guy with speed and enough size. All of the guys we have really have that intriguing factor, someone just has to show the end result and it becomes spectacular. 

 

Although he only had 2 catches last year, I was impressed with the little we saw on Dulin.  Also, since he came from a small D2 school, I expect he'll make a big improvement between year 1 and year 2 as he is now used to the NFL speed and coaching. I hope he steps up and makes the team, even if his main contributions are on special teams.

 

This definitely seems to be our deepest WR group going into a season in quite a while.  I think TY, Pittman, Pascal and Campbell are pretty much locks to make the team.  I assume we'll keep 6 WRs and think it's gonna be a tough battle for the last two slots with Patmon, Dulin, Fountain, and M. Johnson (who impressed me last year).  I also won't be shocked if Chad Williams or DeMichael Harris make some waves in training camp, especially if Harris proves he can be a legit KR. 

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, CurBeatElite said:

 

I also thought a big problem with Brissett last year was that he was often slow going through his reads (or just wasn't looking through all of them).  Rivers, on the other hand, has been very solid in this aspect and doesn't seem to shy away from spreading the ball out.  Rivers also has had a lot of success with the kind of hybrid RB/WR (e.g., Darren Sproles, Austin Ekeler).  We have Hines who fills a similar niche there, but I also think Campbell can be used very similarly since he is so fast and athletic.  Regardless, I think Campbell is a major beneficiary of having a new (hopefully improved) QB on this team.

 

 

Although he only had 2 catches last year, I was impressed with the little we saw on Dulin.  Also, since he came from a small D2 school, I expect he'll make a big improvement between year 1 and year 2 as he is now used to the NFL speed and coaching. I hope he steps up and makes the team, even if his main contributions are on special teams.

 

This definitely seems to be our deepest WR group going into a season in quite a while.  I think TY, Pittman, Pascal and Campbell are pretty much locks to make the team.  I assume we'll keep 6 WRs and think it's gonna be a tough battle for the last two slots with Patmon, Dulin, Fountain, and M. Johnson (who impressed me last year).  I also won't be shocked if Chad Williams or DeMichael Harris make some waves in training camp, especially if Harris proves he can be a legit KR. 

100% agree here. It's probably the right thing to do honestly to keep 6 WRs. We have lots of potential, but no guarantees besides Hilton at this point. However, I love Pittman, Pascal and Campbell as well. Patmon and Dulin can still make the practice squad, so they might not make the 53 because of that. Fountain is borderline, I think it depends on if he is fully recovered from his injury and can outperform 2 of the other 3 in Patmon, Dulin, and Marcus Johnson. Marcus showed some potential as well, he's the longshot IMO, but a big training camp could have him make the roster as the no6 receiver.

 

I don't think Patmon will stay on the practice squad for very long with his size and potential, so I'd keep him, don't know between the other 3 yet, I'd determine that through training camp competition. In any case, our WR potential looks fantastic, and with Rivers at QB, I believe we'll have 2 guys break out this year at WR.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

100% agree here. It's probably the right thing to do honestly to keep 6 WRs. We have lots of potential, but no guarantees besides Hilton at this point. However, I love Pittman, Pascal and Campbell as well. Patmon and Dulin can still make the practice squad, so they might not make the 53 because of that. Fountain is borderline, I think it depends on if he is fully recovered from his injury and can outperform 2 of the other 3 in Patmon, Dulin, and Marcus Johnson. Marcus showed some potential as well, he's the longshot IMO, but a big training camp could have him make the roster as the no6 receiver.

 

I don't think Patmon will stay on the practice squad for very long with his size and potential, so I'd keep him, don't know between the other 3 yet, I'd determine that through training camp competition. In any case, our WR potential looks fantastic, and with Rivers at QB, I believe we'll have 2 guys break out this year at WR.

 

I think Pascal showed last year he is reliable and a playmaker.  Campbell showed flashes, but still has a lot to prove and a need to stay healthy.  TY also needs to stay healthy after two years in a row with nagging injuries.

 

I'm pretty confident that Pittman is going to be solid, but you're right he needs to prove it before we get too excited.

 

And yes, interesting with the new PS rules (sounds like we can protect up to 4 players if they don't get claimed after being cut and before being placed on the PS), will be to see if we keep any of our young guys locked up.  I'm also intrigued given no pre-season games or intersquad practices (i.e., our coaching staff/FO will really be the only group of NFL personnel who will have gotten a chance to see the young guys perform against other NFL players).  That may benefit us with a guy like Patmon, and since no other team will have seen him perform, he may have a likelier chance of making it to the PS and being protected than a guy like Dulin who other NFL teams have seen on Sundays.

 

Anyway, just in TY, Campbell, Pascal and Pittman I am a lot more confident with our top 4 than I was going into any year since Reggie got hurt.

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I don't know who else we really need to have a bounce back year, especially on D.  Along our DL, we either need to bring back Houston and Autry or figure out how to replace them - but both had pretty solid years.  Lewis was better than he had been his first couple years.  Buckner was a stud and Stewart was solid.  Having Turay come back healthy and seeing Banogu improve would be helpful, but they both played so little last year and hadn't done enough previously to indicate last year was a 'down year'.  At LB, Leonard was a first-team all pro again and very solid.  Walker was solid but saw his snap count decrease and Oke had his ups and downs while seeing his snap count dramatically increase (as @EastStreet pointed out,  not only did his snaps go way up compared to his rookie year but the way he was used was different).  I doubt we see Walker back, so it'd be nice to see Oke improve for sure.  Then in the secondary we had solid play from Rhodes, Carrie, Willis and Moore for the most part.  Blackmon was solid (especially early on, but he seemed to digress as the year went on - IMO, to be expected as he was raw coming in and was coming off a knee injury, I don't think he was supposed to get near the snaps he did last year, but we know what happened with Hooker and sort of forced Blackmon into the fire).  RYS had a down year, but I don't see why he can't bounce back - he's got the physical traits - I tend to think he battled some mental demons after some P-Int penalties, and hopefully he can refine his technique some and come back strong.     In all, on the D, I think we're in good shape.  Keep in mind, it seemed like 'Flus called the D a bit differently last year than he had in earlier years here.  We are, overall (aside from Houston, Autry, Rhodes) very young on D.  We had a very weird off-season last year, which (IMO) is critical for younger guys.  I can't help but think it didn't help the likes of guys like RYS and Oke who saw their roles increase and change (IMO, OKe's change was more than a 'slight' change) between their rookie year and year 2.     On O, ideally we'll see solid QB play from Wentz (I won't go as far as to saying he needs a 'bounce back' year as he hasn't been in Indy before and it sounds like there was a lot of toxicity in Philly, hopefully all he needs in a change of scenery and a reunion with Reich).  Our OL was solid, so as long as we can replace AC at LT I think we'll be OK there.  We had pretty consistent play from Hines and Wilkins throughout the year and JT got dramatically better as the season wore on -- I think if those guys can start up where they left off, we're more than fine at RB.  TY didn't have his best year, but he's be declining for about 3 years now, so if we bring him back, all we can do is hope he stays healthy and I think we'll be in OK shape.  Pittman missed some time with his leg compartment syndrome, but was solid down the stretch, so I don't think we need him to 'bounce back', just continue on his trajectory and he's gonna be solid.  Pascal was solid and I think we've pretty much seen his ceiling, so he just needs to stay solid.  It would be sweet to see Campbell and/or Patmon to emerge, but don't think we need them to 'bounce back' as we've never gotten high level results from them to begin with.     Then on STs, we were pretty solid all around.  Would like to see Blankenship add a bit more umphf to his kicks, but he was solid and Sanchez was solid punting.  The coverage and return units were solid overall.   So really, I think we need a comeback or bounce back year from RYS and maybe Oke... but overall, I don't think we need a 'bunch of them.'       I agree, pretty much  have to temper expectations on Speed being from a small school.  He did really improve on STs last year and he got his praise any time Ballard or any coaches spoke about him.  I get the feeling Ballard and staff are willing to use patience with project players (Ballard states that fairly regularly).  With Oke, Walker, Leonard and then Franklin who has more playing experience at LB - I don't think there was really much need to rush Speed into an LB role last year.  He got plenty of ST snaps and did well there, hopefully boosting his confidence that he can play at NFL level while still refining his LB technique in practices and the film room.     While I would rather see guys like Adams and Glasgow on STs - I don't think it is terrible to have them on the roster primarily as STers but being our 5th and 6th ranked LBs on the depth chart as well.  Meaning, if we went into the season with Leonard, Oke, Speed and Franklin as our top 4 with Adams and Glasgow as STers but listed as 5 and 6 on depth chart, I don't think it'd be the worst thing (especially considering we predominantly play with only 2 LBers on the field).  So, sure it'd be nice to bring in a mid-late round draft pick or sign a decent FA for fairly cheap, but I'd rather see us dishing out money to bring in a solid LT, a playmaker at TE (and maybe WR), retain Rhodes, ensure the DL was solid (either by bringing back Houston and Autry or by getting a guy like Bud Dupree/JJ Watt/etc.), and add OL depth.  In otherwords, regardless of if we bring Walker back or not, I don't think LB is a top 5 position of concern right now.   I don't think Walker is going to command a ton, but he was 15th in the NFL in tackles in 2018 (124), tied for 28th (105) in 2019 and in the top 50 in 2020 (92).  He's a pretty productive player and a solid one - so he's going to demand significantly more than he was getting as a 5th round pick on his rookie contract.  And yes, he definitely wants to play more and I think his biggest issue here is his lack of athleticism.  You're right, he'll probably play more in a 3-4 D and he will likely be offered more money by a team where he'll play a lot than what Ballard will offer him.    See the last line from Ballard in this article:  https://www.colts.com/news/chris-ballard-philip-rivers-ty-hilton-xavier-rhodes-2020-season-press-conference (Ballard on Linebacker Anthony Walker: "I have a special relationship with Anthony Walker. Selfless. Team guy. Rare leader. I hope he gets into coaching one day or scouting. Mark my words on this: if Anthony Walker gets into coaching, he will be a head football coach in the National Football League. And if he gets into scouting, he'll be a general manager. He's brilliant — absolutely brilliant, and he's made of the right stuff. I know Anthony wants to play more. We value Anthony. We'll see how it works out. I want good for Anthony."   My guess is Walker is gone.  
    • It's basically just monitoring one thread (general thread), then updating the big board and pick thread with every pick. So 32ish real time updates per night. Not hard, just tedious.
    • Let me know when you need me to assist. 
  • Members

    • Hoose

      Hoose 1,084

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • CurBeatElite

      CurBeatElite 1,308

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • AustinnKaine

      AustinnKaine 285

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • wig

      wig 150

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • JoeThornburg

      JoeThornburg 27

      New Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Sumo63

      Sumo63 594

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Zoltan

      Zoltan 541

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Indy Fan

      Indy Fan 12

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • DaColts85

      DaColts85 395

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • DougDew

      DougDew 2,565

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
×
×
  • Create New...