Chris Simms top 40 QB list

[EastStreet 8,573]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I went ahead and kept it in this thread but I thought about your idea. 11-20 is tough, Dak may be 11?? I left out Wentz, Ryan, Stafford, and Jimmy G as well.

 

I think ranking them is pretty hard in general lol... A lot to consider.

 

I'm getting ready to hit the pillow, but I think I'm going to take a systematic approach and look at 6 or 7 key metrics including OL rank. Then give it a little human touch. More science than art, but definitely a little art/gut added in.

 

I'm thinking individual metrics like QBR, Passer Rating, YPG, ANY/A, TD%, INT%, plus OL rank, as key to high level grade. Can you think of any other metric?

 

I can tell you right now, Dak will be in my top 10. He's top 10 in just about every stat. He is blessed with a great OL and skill players, but he's been killing it. And I'm not even a fan, or necessarily buying into his long term status. He just did way to well last year to keep him out of the top 10.  

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

36 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

I think ranking them is pretty hard in general lol... A lot to consider.

 

I'm getting ready to hit the pillow, but I think I'm going to take a systematic approach and look at 6 or 7 key metrics including OL rank. Then give it a little human touch. More science than art, but definitely a little art/gut added in.

 

I'm thinking individual metrics like QBR, Passer Rating, YPG, ANY/A, TD%, INT%, plus OL rank, as key to high level grade. Can you think of any other metric?

 

I can tell you right now, Dak will be in my top 10. He's top 10 in just about every stat. He is blessed with a great OL and skill players, but he's been killing it. And I'm not even a fan, or necessarily buying into his long term status. He just did way to well last year to keep him out of the top 10.  

Yeah I based mine on stats some but also just the eye test too. It came down to Dak or Rivers for #10 for me. I actually like Cousins better than both but barely there too. If I just based it on last years stats then Big Ben wouldn't qualify. So a lot of it is how I feel.

 

I am just basing my list on who I would want for 2020. Of course if someone ask me who I want for the next 5 years, I would take Dak over Brady, Brees, Big Ben, and Rivers. He's younger.

[EastStreet 8,573]

12 hours ago, w87r said:

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

 

 

Both Brees and Carr were top 10 in just about every meaningful stat last year. Brees had a great surrounding cast, but still tore it up. Carr did not have a great surrounding cast but still did very very well. 

 

Simms is smoking something...

 

Carr 

QBR - 9th (Tie)
Passer Rating - 9th
Comp% - 2nd
YPG - 9th
ANY/A - 9th
TD% - 21st
INT% - 11th
2019 OL EOY Rank - 15
2019 WR/TE PS Rank - 12th
2020 WR/TE PS Rank - 19th
 

 

Brees

QBR - 3rd
Passer Rating - 2nd
Comp% - 1st
YPG - 8th
ANY/A - 3rd
TD% - 3rd
INT% - 4th
2019 OL EOY Rank - 5th
2019 WR/TE PS Rank - 13th
2020 WR/TE PS Rank - 4th
 

 

 

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Both Brees and Carr were top 10 in just about every meaningful stat last year. Brees had a great surrounding cast, but still tore it up. Carr did not have a great surrounding cast but still did very very well. 

 

Simms is smoking something...

 

Carr 

QBR - 9th (Tie)
Passer Rating - 9th
Comp% - 2nd
YPG - 9th
ANY/A - 9th
TD% - 21st
INT% - 11th
2019 OL EOY Rank - 15
2019 WR/TE PS Rank - 12th
2020 WR/TE PS Rank - 19th
 

 

Brees

QBR - 3rd
Passer Rating - 2nd
Comp% - 1st
YPG - 8th
ANY/A - 3rd
TD% - 3rd
INT% - 4th
2019 OL EOY Rank - 5th
2019 WR/TE PS Rank - 13th
2020 WR/TE PS Rank - 4th
 

 

 

Carr is in my Top 15 actually.

[jlid 48]

The list hasn't really bothered me so far based on the criteria he brings up with every unveiling...the ability to push the ball down the field.  Always talking about these QB's taking the 6 yard completion when there's a 30 yard option down the field...He even said Derek Carr would be a better QB if he was completing 66-67% instead of 72-73% if it meant he was taking some chances.

 

I do agree with whoever said Brady and Brees may end up making this list look foolish if for no other reason because the offenses around them are so loaded

 

So for this list, Rivers is about in the right spot.  We have to be a little realistic about arm strength.  He's always had that weird shot put delivery that hasn't particularly aged well.  Don't get me wrong, I think he can be very smart, very accurate, and ultimately successful, but I'm not expecting a lot of completions where the ball travels 50 yards in the air

[Myles 3,914]

2 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

Both Brees and Carr were top 10 in just about every meaningful stat last year. Brees had a great surrounding cast, but still tore it up. Carr did not have a great surrounding cast but still did very very well. 

 

Simms is smoking something...

 

Carr 

QBR - 9th (Tie)
Passer Rating - 9th
Comp% - 2nd
YPG - 9th
ANY/A - 9th
TD% - 21st
INT% - 11th
2019 OL EOY Rank - 15
2019 WR/TE PS Rank - 12th
2020 WR/TE PS Rank - 19th
 

 

Brees

QBR - 3rd
Passer Rating - 2nd
Comp% - 1st
YPG - 8th
ANY/A - 3rd
TD% - 3rd
INT% - 4th
2019 OL EOY Rank - 5th
2019 WR/TE PS Rank - 13th
2020 WR/TE PS Rank - 4th
 

 

 

Yes.   Brees at 16 is utterly foolish.   He's top 5.   

 

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

33 minutes ago, Myles said:

Yes.   Brees at 16 is utterly foolish.   He's top 5.   

 

I have Brees at 6th but I pretty much agree with your premise.

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

Brees being rated 16th is a joke. JMO. 

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

1 hour ago, jlid said:

The list hasn't really bothered me so far based on the criteria he brings up with every unveiling...the ability to push the ball down the field.  Always talking about these QB's taking the 6 yard completion when there's a 30 yard option down the field...He even said Derek Carr would be a better QB if he was completing 66-67% instead of 72-73% if it meant he was taking some chances.

 

I do agree with whoever said Brady and Brees may end up making this list look foolish if for no other reason because the offenses around them are so loaded

 

So for this list, Rivers is about in the right spot.  We have to be a little realistic about arm strength.  He's always had that weird shot put delivery that hasn't particularly aged well.  Don't get me wrong, I think he can be very smart, very accurate, and ultimately successful, but I'm not expecting a lot of completions where the ball travels 50 yards in the air

Rivers belongs 10-12, he is way too low on Simms list too.

[w87r 3,854]

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

[NFLfan 7,949]

On 5/26/2020 at 7:23 PM, aaron11 said:

i had never heard of chris simms before this thread

 

Are you serious?

 

On 5/30/2020 at 6:40 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Most people know who Chris Simms is simply because his father is Phil Simms. Phil has talked about him a lot on CBS broadcasts during games even. You have 32 starters in the NFL, so Brissett being rated 33rd for example isn't far fetched because he is a great backup. I can see Rivers around 10th or so, 10-12 in that area anyway.

 

Phil Simms has been talking about his son Chris on the radio and television since Chris was in high school. Chris was a top prospect while in college. His father thought he would be a star in the NFL. He was recruited by Mack Brown to the Texas Longhorns (if I am not mistaken) but I think he was either hurt a lot or did not perform well. IIRC, he had to compete against a guy whose name I liked a lot back then -- Major Applewhite. I don't know if Chris Simms ever played in the NFL. His brother Matt Simms played for the Jets. Matt had fans calling for him to start the way Colts fans have clamored for Chad Kelly to be the starter. Matt showed flashes whenever he played in preseason. 

[RollerColt 2,294]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

That’s about right where I’d put Cousins as well. There is an argument that he can be top 10. Depends on who you ask.

[aaron11 1,638]

1 hour ago, NFLfan said:

Are you serious?

 

you are like the third person to ask me that in this thread lol

 

i googled him and saw he was a career backup that never did much in the league.  im aware of phil simms like pretty much everyone else but i tune him out.  hes knowledgeable i just dont like his voice, it lacks excitement and brings down the game for me

 

i like commentators with some energy in their tone 

[Myles 3,914]

49 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

you are like the third person to ask me that in this thread lol

 

i googled him and saw he was a career backup that never did much in the league.  im aware of phil simms like pretty much everyone else but i tune him out.  hes knowledgeable i just dont like his voice, it lacks excitement and brings down the game for me

 

i like commentators with some energy in their tone 

I mostly tune out the commentators as well.    It doesn't add anything for me.   

[w87r 3,854]

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

12. Kyler Murray

[Dogg63 1,894]

Interestingly, CBS Sports just released a Top-10 QB list yesterday:

 

1.       Mahomes - If anyone has a chance to unseat Brady as the greatest quarterback of all time, it's Mahomes.

2.       Jackson - Don't let one bad playoff game lull you into thinking the Ravens are a gimmick. Jackson is poised to terrorize the NFL for the next decade.

3.       Wilson - At this point in his career, he's one of the three best quarterbacks (and the best deep-ball thrower) in football. And extremely consistent.

4.       Brees - No sign of decline. Without thumb injury, would have been in conversation for MVP (again).

5.       Prescott - Addition of Lamb. Author thinks Dak will be better than 5th best QB.

6.       Watson - Stills, Fuller, Cobb, Cooks. He can light it up, even without Hopkins.

7.       Stafford - Golladay, Jones, Hockenson. He was on fire last season before injury.

8.       Wentz - Reagor, Goodwin, very good TEs. Needs to elevate his play though.

9.       Brady - arguably the deepest and best receiving group of Brady's entire career. Age and decline last year dropped him to 9th.

10.     Roethlisberger - talented pass catchers, dependable offensive line. Elbow dropped him to 10th.

 

He said Rodgers, Cousins, Murray, and Garappolo just missed the cut.

 

I'm ok with his rankings. They seem a lot more reasonable than Simms silly list - I think Simms got drunk and blindfolded himself before throwing darts at a wall poster of NFL QBs to make his picks. 

[w87r 3,854]

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

12. Kyler Murray

11. Ryan Tannehill

 

 

made it to the top 10. Pretty high for Tannehill, but not like the rest of the list has been to impressive.

[w87r 3,854]

Is Cam Newton going to make this top 10 list.

 

Haven't thought to hard on who the list is missing. 9 names come to my kind real quick.

[w87r 3,854]

Mahomes

Jackson

Wilson

Wentz

Rodgers

Stafford

Watson

Prescott

Ryan

 

Newton?

 

 

[EastStreet 8,573]

Based partly on stats/science, partly on surrounding cast, and a little bit of art, my rank is

 

1. Mahomes

2. Brees

3. Wilson

4. Jackson

5. Stafford

6. Prescott

7. Carr

8. Watson

9. Cousins

10. Tannehill

11. Ryan

12. Rodgers

13. Big Ben

14. Brady

15. Rivers

16. Garoppolo

17. Wentz

18. Lock

19. Minshew

20. Murray

21. Fitzpatric

22. Goff

23. Jones

24. Winston

25. Mayfield

26. Bridgewater

27. Allen

28. Darnold

29. Dalton

30. Foles

31. Trubisky

 

Not going to give the rooks or some of the still pending FAs an official slot, but here's my range for some of those guys.

 

Burrow 16-20

Tua 26-30

Herbert - 30ish

Stidham - 21-25 (based on BB gameplan)

Hoyer - 21-25 (based on BB gameplan)

Haskins/Montez - 31-35

Newton - 26-30

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

Mahomes

Jackson

Wilson

Wentz

Rodgers

Stafford

Watson

Prescott

Ryan

 

Newton?

 

 

That is a good question, I think he is because I can't think of anyone else either.

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

8 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Based partly on stats/science, partly on surrounding cast, and a little bit of art, my rank is

 

1. Mahomes

2. Brees

3. Wilson

4. Jackson

5. Stafford

6. Prescott

7. Carr

8. Watson

9. Cousins

10. Tannehill

11. Ryan

12. Rodgers

13. Big Ben

14. Brady

15. Rivers

16. Garoppolo

17. Wentz

18. Lock

19. Minshew

20. Murray

21. Fitzpatric

22. Goff

23. Jones

24. Winston

25. Mayfield

26. Bridgewater

27. Allen

28. Darnold

29. Dalton

30. Foles

31. Trubisky

 

Not going to give the rooks or some of the still pending FAs an official slot, but here's my range for some of those guys.

 

Burrow 16-20

Tua 26-30

Herbert - 30ish

Stidham - 21-25 (based on BB gameplan)

Hoyer - 21-25 (based on BB gameplan)

Haskins/Montez - 31-35

Newton - 26-30

Real solid list, I would have Rodgers higher, at least top 10. I think Tannehill is too high as well. He had a nice stretch last season but was carried in the playoffs by his run game. Still overall very good , I can even buy Rivers at 15.

[EastStreet 8,573]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Real solid list, I would have Rodgers higher, at least top 10. I think Tannehill is too high as well. He had a nice stretch last season but was carried in the playoffs by his run game. Still overall very good , I can even buy Rivers at 15.

Rodgers just didn't do very well last year, and has struggled in a lot of areas the last couple years. While I think he's a good QB, I've always thought he was over hyped.

 

I think Tannehill has been a victim of some very bad teams, and last year was the victim of a very conservative game plan (gonna bet they open it up this year). Still, he killed it when called upon, and was rewarded for it.

 

Rivers last two years are night and day. I'd have him higher (top 10) if I was looking at 2018 season. I do think he'll be top 10 this year, but he's got to prove it. My rankings are based on "now", not a projection of what they'll be (stats from this season). Brady will be higher than he his at the end of the year with that supporting cast too.

 

Here's some of what impacted my view on Rodgers, Tannehill, and Rivers.

 

10. Tannehill 59
QBR - 9th (Tie)
Passer Rating - 1st
Comp% - 3rd
YPG - 25th
ANY/A - 1st
TD% - 2nd
INT% - 18th
2019 OL Rank - 8th
2019 WR/TE Rank - 17th
2020 WR/TE Rank - 23rd
 

12. Rodgers
QBR - 20th
Passer Rating - 12th
Comp% - 21st
YPG - 16th
ANY/A - 11th
TD% - 13th
INT% - 1st
2019 OL Rank - 6th
2019 WR/TE Rank - 20th
2020 WR/TE Rank -  26th

 

15. Rivers 
QBR - 22nd
Passer Rating - 17th
Comp% - 10th
YPG - 6th
ANY/A - 15th
TD% - 25th
INT% - 30th
2019 OL Rank - 29th (moving to 3rd)
2019 WR/TE Rank - 9th (LAC)
2020 WR/TE Rank -  22nd (IN)
 

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

4 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Rodgers just didn't do very well last year, and has struggled in a lot of areas the last couple years. While I think he's a good QB, I've always thought he was over hyped.

 

I think Tannehill has been a victim of some very bad teams, and last year was the victim of a very conservative game plan (gonna bet they open it up this year). Still, he killed it when called upon, and was rewarded for it.

 

Rivers last two years are night and day. I'd have him higher (top 10) if I was looking at 2018 season. I do think he'll be top 10 this year, but he's got to prove it. My rankings are based on "now", not a projection of what they'll be (stats from this season). Brady will be higher than he his at the end of the year with that supporting cast too.

 

Here's some of what impacted my view on Rodgers, Tannehill, and Rivers.

 

10. Tannehill 59
QBR - 9th (Tie)
Passer Rating - 1st
Comp% - 3rd
YPG - 25th
ANY/A - 1st
TD% - 2nd
INT% - 18th
2019 OL Rank - 8th
2019 WR/TE Rank - 17th
2020 WR/TE Rank - 23rd
 

12. Rodgers
QBR - 20th
Passer Rating - 12th
Comp% - 21st
YPG - 16th
ANY/A - 11th
TD% - 13th
INT% - 1st
2019 OL Rank - 6th
2019 WR/TE Rank - 20th
2020 WR/TE Rank -  26th

 

15. Rivers 
QBR - 22nd
Passer Rating - 17th
Comp% - 10th
YPG - 6th
ANY/A - 15th
TD% - 25th
INT% - 30th
2019 OL Rank - 29th (moving to 3rd)
2019 WR/TE Rank - 9th (LAC)
2020 WR/TE Rank -  22nd (IN)
 

I honestly didn't realize Rodgers QBR was that mediocre and before I did my list I looked at a lot of things. Regarding Tannehill, if he comes out balls this year then I will know last season wasn't a flash in the pan thing.

[EastStreet 8,573]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I honestly didn't realize Rodgers QBR was that mediocre and before I did my list I looked at a lot of things. Regarding Tannehill, if he comes out balls this year then I will know last season wasn't a flash in the pan thing.

I'll message the full stats list I used to do my rank. It's to big to post here. Some of it was eye opening.

[w87r 3,854]

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

12. Kyler Murray

11. Ryan Tannehill

10. Cam Newton

 

guess that answers that.

[The Fish 897]

I don't care about PFT and the groupies who work there so I haven't been following this until, but it's one of two things, this list is a mess (putting Dalton by Burrow,  way to go on a limb) or there's not very many actually good QB's and most of the comparisons are a wash. Kirk Cousins isn't very good. Ryan Tannehill isn't very good either. I wouldn't actually want to watch them every Sunday.

Cam Newton is unemployed (while we pine for Kapernick, the Newton story is far more of a head scratcher from a football perspective) and his arm is at least as iffy as Luck's was.

 

Stuff to bicker about. I just think it could make more sense. 

[w87r 3,854]

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

12. Kyler Murray

11. Ryan Tannehill

10. Cam Newton

9. Matthew Stafford

[RollerColt 2,294]

Wow... Cam Newton at 10? Seriously?

[Myles 3,914]

9 hours ago, RollerColt said:

Wow... Cam Newton at 10? Seriously?

This schmucks list is just so bad it is hard to stomach.  

I don't disagree with Cam's placement a whole lot, compared with some others.   He certainly shouldn't be ahead of Rivers, Brees, Brady, Roethlisberger

Cousins and maybe Murray.

[EastStreet 8,573]

On 6/18/2020 at 10:18 PM, RollerColt said:

Wow... Cam Newton at 10? Seriously?

10th best and still unsigned lol...

 

Holy cow Simms has lost it.

[RollerColt 2,294]

13 hours ago, EastStreet said:

10th best and still unsigned lol...

 

Holy cow Simms has lost it.

Right? 
 

A case for him between 20-25 could be made, but 10th? Yeah, no... 

[EastStreet 8,573]

56 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Right? 
 

A case for him between 20-25 could be made, but 10th? Yeah, no... 

I could easily buy 20-25, even be somewhat OK with up to 16ish, IF they are clear in the assumption that his legs/running will be 100%. And that's a big if right now. He's simply just not that great of a passer. 

[2006Coltsbestever 21,013]

On 6/19/2020 at 7:54 AM, Myles said:

This schmucks list is just so bad it is hard to stomach.  

I don't disagree with Cam's placement a whole lot, compared with some others.   He certainly shouldn't be ahead of Rivers, Brees, Brady, Roethlisberger

Cousins and maybe Murray.

I like @EastStreet list better, I like mine better too but I only did a top 10. Simms has lost his mind  

[w87r 3,854]

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

12. Kyler Murray

11. Ryan Tannehill

10. Cam Newton

9. Matthew Stafford

8. Dax Prescott

[w87r 3,854]

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

12. Kyler Murray

11. Ryan Tannehill

10. Cam Newton

9. Matthew Stafford

8. Dax Prescott

7. Matt Ryan

[FortheWin 187]

Welp. This list went off the rails ...

[w87r 3,854]

4 hours ago, FortheWin said:

Welp. This list went off the rails ...

Been off the rails. 

 

 

Where would you rank Wentz, as be hasn't been listed yet 

 

I think in the 10-15 range. Hasn't shown same game as his MVP worthy season he got hurt, IMO.

 

Tough to be looking at this list and make a rational thought.

 

 

[EastStreet 8,573]

9 hours ago, w87r said:

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock - if you're going to give Murray a boost for potential, Lock needs one too.

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

22. Daniel Jones

21. Baker Mayfield

20. Jimmy Garoppolo

19. Derek Carr - top 10 in most stats, and did it with a bad cast

18. Josh Allen

17. Philip Rivers

16. Drew Brees - the guy was top 5ish in most stats. Off the rails dumb

15. Tom Brady

14. Ben Roethlisberger

13. Kirk Cousins

12. Kyler Murray - way too early to move him up this much

11. Ryan Tannehill

10. Cam Newton - totally off the rails

9. Matthew Stafford

8. Dax Prescott

7. Matt Ryan

My biggest issues bolded above.

 

 

[w87r 3,854]

3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

My biggest issues bolded above.

 

 

I agree with all that.

 

I think you might of posted top 10 in here. I know there was a couple. Where do you have Wentz?