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31 minutes ago, aaron11 said:

i spent a lot of time watching Tua at Alabama, hes really talented its not out of line to say he should be higher.  he is cleared to play too

He has the talent but won’t get the respect until he shows it on the NFL Stage

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2 minutes ago, w87r said:

Brissett isn't in this years top 40.

 

Should he be? Probably, bit I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Thanks for the update 

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Why don't we just keep a running tab here of this years top 40 and talk about that. Someone can add to list as names are announced.

 

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

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2 minutes ago, w87r said:

Why don't we just keep a running tab here of this years top 40 and talk about that. Someone can add to list as names are announced.

 

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

Why did he rank the Ty Detmer of 2020 and someone who will never see the field 

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1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Why did he rank the Ty Detmer of 2020 and someone who will never see the field 

Tbh, I have no clue why Taysom Hill is on the list. Won't conplain about much else with it so far, but I mean for real, Gadget 3rd string QB?

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19 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Please use the proper pronouns 

      There are some here that have posted that JB is not a top 100 QB in the league and there are others like me who had no problem with the way CK was handled

 

     hold up stop GIF

No one believes Brissett isn't a top 100 QB. He wouldn't make the worst team in that case. If you have no problem with how Kelly was handled, then you're either A.) a casual fan (which I know you're not) or B.) you accept anything and everything Ballard and Reich say, for right or wrong.

 

Pretty obvious you appeal to authority.

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1 minute ago, w87r said:

Tbh, I have no clue why Taysom Hill is on the list. Won't conplain about much else with it so far, but I mean for real, Gadget 3rd string QB?

Tyrod and Jameis should not be on the list

 

      

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9 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Tyrod and Jameis should not be on the list

 

      

Tyrod is the starter in San Diego as of right now. Probably only reason he is there.

 

Jameis, probably not either, but he did throw for 5000yds and 30tds last year.

 

Yeah he had 30ints and led the league in dropped ints as well(10). So he should of threw 40.

 

I think Winston should be in top 40 for sure. 

 

Taylor can definitely argue about, but when he plays he usually plays pretty well.

 

I guess we need the 41-45 list to see who could've replaced these guys.

 

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36 minutes ago, w87r said:

Brissett isn't in this years top 40.

 

Should he be? Probably, bit I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

We can't conclude that just yet, he's only released the QBs for slots 31-40 so far. He could rank JB in the top 30..

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Just now, Dogg63 said:

We can't conclude that just yet, he's only released the QBs for slots 31-40 so far. He could rank JB in the top 30..

I posted the stort on the last page.

 

JB is not on this list, according to Mike Florio.

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On 5/26/2020 at 7:45 PM, w87r said:

I did read something earlier, that said Brissett wasn't in the top 40 this year. Believe it was Mike Florio.

 

I'll find the article real quick.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/26/its-the-simms-qb-top-40-list-no-40-tua-tagovailoa/

 

 

"Tua Tagovailoa made the cut over Colts quarterback Jacoby Brissett and others that will become evidence as we continued to count them down. Another guy who definitely didn’t make the list was Blake Bortles, who Simms once put at No. 70 and of whom Simms has said, “He wasn’t put on earth to throw a football"

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5 minutes ago, Dogg63 said:

We can't conclude that just yet, he's only released the QBs for slots 31-40 so far. He could rank JB in the top 30..

Florio could be wrong though.

 

I take that as he's seem the list.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, w87r said:

Tyrod is the starter in San Diego as of right now. Probably only reason he is there.

 

Jameis, probably not either, but he did throw for 5000yds and 30tds last year.

 

Yeah he had 30ints and led the league in dropped ints as well(10). So he should of threw 40.

 

I think Winston should be in top 40 for sure. 

 

Taylor can definitely argue about, but when he plays he usually plays pretty well.

 

I guess we need the 41-45 list to see who could've replaced these guys.

 

Tyrod became the next Ty Detmer once Herbert was drafted

 

     There are weeks that Winston could not dress

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28 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

There are weeks that Winston could not dress

Does that mean he isn't a top 40 QB? The fact he backs up a top 5 QB. I think he will dress every game though, tbh.

 

Ty Detmer wishes he had 1/2 the career Tyrod has had. Tyrod has a winning record and +34 td/int ratio. Only thing similar about those guys is their names start with Ty and end in R. Not even sure where you are going with that comparison, tbh.

 

I couldn't care less about either of these guys. 

 

Just posted the list, because I was tired of seeing the whole thread be about a guy not even on the list. With only mention of 2 guys actually on it.(Tua/Haskins). 

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1 minute ago, w87r said:

Does that mean he isn't a top 40 QB? The fact he backs up a top 5 QB. I think he will dress every game though, tbh.

 

Ty Detmer wishes he had 1/2 the career Tyrod has had. Tyrod has a winning record and +34 td/int ratio. Only thing similar about those guys is their names start with Ty. Not even sure where you are going with that comparison, tbh.

 

I couldn't care less about either of these guys. 

 

Just posted the list, because I was tired of seeing the whole thread be about a guy not even on the list. With only mention of 2 guys actually on it.(Tua/Haskins). 

Ty Detmer was brought in by the new Browns to start until Tim Couch was ready 

 

     The way NO uses TH if the team only dress 2 QBs it will be DB and TH

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2 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Ty Detmer was brought in by the new Browns to start until Tim Couch was ready 

 

     The way NO uses TH if the team only dress 2 QBs it will be DB and TH

Tyrod wasn't brought in to start until Herbert gets ready, he was already there. He is a place holder for Herbert, but not all situations are the same. This comparison is way off in almost every aspect. 

 

I fully understand the situation in NO.

 

The fact Hill can be listed/play as another position, has no effect on JW. It's actually the opposite. They will have 3 qbs with one able to be a gadget guy.

 

Taysom Hill has 13 career pass attempts. To add to that he is 3 yrs older than JW as well. Pretty sure if Brees goes down, they will be having JW as the QB. Now if both get injured in a game, they have a 3rd emergency QB in Hill.

 

Sorry PT, just think you're wrong on both accounts here.

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That is your opinion @w87r not mine

   Tyrod Taylor became the next Ty Detmer once Herbert was drafted

        A place holder is a place holder no matter what

     
       I know the Early new Browns era very well
 

     I trust the combined 80 years around the game to make decisions 

 

  move on lauren GIF by The Hills

 

  

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3 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

That is your opinion @w87r not mine

   Tyrod Taylor became the next Ty Detmer once Herbert was drafted

        A place holder is a place holder no matter what

     
       I know the Early new Browns era very well
 

     I trust the combined 80 years around the game to make decisions 

 

  

 

  

Argue with someone else. 

 

Who cares about the early new Browns era?  Doesn't have anything to do with anything, outside of your way off base comparison.

 

Bottom line, you could of used a lot of people for your "place holder" comparison. You chose to use 2 QB's that are completely different and who's results and circumstances, in the NFL couldn't be further from one another.

 

Lazy comparison.

 

Not sure what 80 combined years means either.

 

Sounds like more of your condescending comments, that I see from you, time to time around here. 

 

You are not smarter than everyone, as much as you would like and claim to be.

 

Even early today, had your pronouns post about someone. Who cares its a forum, very seldom do people use correct grammer and punctuation. I'm sure I messed up plenty, in this post.

 

Get your grading pen out and mark it up. 

 

Someone doesn't agree with you, out comes the holier than thou post. It's your go to, like a defense mechanism.

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On 5/26/2020 at 6:24 PM, Imgrandojji said:

You clearly don't live on the east coast then.

I know of the Simms family since Phil is a Kentucky boy and went to a Ky college

   

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I understand why CS has the rookies ranked low but feel that anyone who is a seat filler or not expected to be a starter should not be listed

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40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

 

 

This list is just ugly. 

 

Makes me wonder where Burrow is going to end up?

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40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

 

 

Updated with latest addition.

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2 hours ago, w87r said:

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

 

 

Updated with latest addition.

29. Teddy Bridgewater

 

 

Pretty surprised he is listed this low. Not to sure where I though he would be listed, but maybe 20-25 range?

 

Should be interesting to see the list play out.

 

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14 hours ago, w87r said:

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

 

 

Updated with latest addition.

ho hum...

Somebody call me when he gets to the top ten.

 

I hate cliffhangers!

jk... 

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3 hours ago, jmac_48 said:

ho hum...

Somebody call me when he gets to the top ten.

 

I hate cliffhangers!

jk... 

Not a fan of this reverse countdown either.

 

The thread was created with last years list with Tua in the 40th spot. First name to drop. Then really not talk of current lost. So I decided to post them as they are announced, bit yeah. Ho, hum is probably the right words at the moment.

 

Who knows, probably will be when its done to.

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On 6/1/2020 at 8:58 PM, w87r said:

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

 

 

This list is just ugly. 

 

Makes me wonder where Burrow is going to end up?

Luck was 16th in NFL.com rankings ahead of his rookie year in 2012. I’d guess Burrow will be around there. 

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40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

 

 

I mean, damn, it just keeps getting worse.

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14 hours ago, w87r said:

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

 

 

I mean, damn, it just keeps getting worse.


I will start with I was never a JB fan and even after the 5-2 start I was waiting for the wheels to fall off.  However, besides Tua I would take JB over anyone on that list so far. JB is a model pro and the only negative thing ever to come from him was thru a coach that let him vent about being replaced. Has to be hard on JB bc any other 2nd year starter would throw 18tds and 6int would have countless articles written about his potential.  I think we all know his ceiling is not far away but he is still better than all these guys. 

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32 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:


I will start with I was never a JB fan and even after the 5-2 start I was waiting for the wheels to fall off.  However, besides Tua I would take JB over anyone on that list so far. JB is a model pro and the only negative thing ever to come from him was thru a coach that let him vent about being replaced. Has to be hard on JB bc any other 2nd year starter would throw 18tds and 6int would have countless articles written about his potential.  I think we all know his ceiling is not far away but he is still better than all these guys. 

JB is easily a top 40 QB, this list stinks. angry homer simpson GIF

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1 hour ago, AwesomeAustin said:


I will start with I was never a JB fan and even after the 5-2 start I was waiting for the wheels to fall off.  However, besides Tua I would take JB over anyone on that list so far. JB is a model pro and the only negative thing ever to come from him was thru a coach that let him vent about being replaced. Has to be hard on JB bc any other 2nd year starter would throw 18tds and 6int would have countless articles written about his potential.  I think we all know his ceiling is not far away but he is still better than all these guys. 

I would take Herbert as well.

 

Definitely take JB over the rest of the list.

41 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

JB is easily a top 40 QB, this list stinks. angry homer simpson GIF

facts

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7 hours ago, w87r said:

I would take Herbert as well.

 

Definitely take JB over the rest of the list.

facts

 I guess if I had to choose who I would rather have on the Colts I would say Herbert.  I still think he is a bust. I think Eason was the second best QB in the draft and he was taken maybe a round late. I bet all the first round QBs flame out with their original teams and don’t reach a big second contract.  The only one who may is Love bc he will sit behind Rodgers for a few years.  Tua is a stud if he stays healthy but Miami has been a QB wasteland since Marino.  He could be the guy to change that. 

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23 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

 I guess if I had to choose who I would rather have on the Colts I would say Herbert.  I still think he is a bust. I think Eason was the second best QB in the draft and he was taken maybe a round late. I bet all the first round QBs flame out with their original teams and don’t reach a big second contract.  The only one who may is Love bc he will sit behind Rodgers for a few years.  Tua is a stud if he stays healthy but Miami has been a QB wasteland since Marino.  He could be the guy to change that. 

Yeah, strictly listed Herbert because of the youth and possible potential.

 

I'm happy with Eason for now. Time will tell.

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40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

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This list is making it obvious why QBs are the highest paid players.  Not a single one of those players is a viable starter.  We are almost up to 25% of the league not having a starting QB. With the shortened offseason, defenses should feast this year on the bottom dwellers. 

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10 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Not a single one of those players is a viable starter

Some we dont know about yet.

 

Cant rule any of the young guys out yet.

Tua

Haskins

Herbert

Stidham

 

Jury is out on Bridgewater too. Still surprised he is this low.

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11 hours ago, w87r said:

Some we dont know about yet.

 

Cant rule any of the young guys out yet.

Tua

Haskins

Herbert

Stidham

 

Jury is out on Bridgewater too. Still surprised he is this low.


Im unfairly judging them bc they are young.  Add in Burrow and I still don’t think there are 20 wins between those five.  They may turn into good starters down the road and one(probably Tua) May surprise us.   I don’t know what to think about Bridgewater. I liked him coming out of Louisville and also when he was on the Vikings. Hopefully Rhule can put his mistake free playing style to good use and ride McCaffery to 6-7 wins. 

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14 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Add in Burrow and I still don’t think there are 20 wins between those five.  

Might be right about that. Will all depend on when some get to start.

 

I think Stidham will start and win 7-9 games.

 

If Tua gets in I could see him win 4-5 games.

 

Herbert maybe 3-4 wins if he gets some action.

 

Haskins will probably win 4-6 games at least.

 

Burrow is wild card. I'm sure hes good for at least 3-4 minimum.

 

Thats gets them to 21-26 wins.?

 

Really depends how much Tua + Herbert play.

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40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

 

 

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3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

40. Tua Tagovailoa

39. Dwayne Haskins

38. Mitchell Trubisky

37. Justin Herbert

36. Taysom Hill

35. Jarred Stidham

34. Tyrod Taylor

33. Jameis Winston

32. Case Keenum

31. Nick Foles

30. Gardner Minshew II

29. Teddy Bridgewater

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick

27. Andy Dalton

26. Joe Burrow

25. Drew Lock

24. Jared Goff

23. Sam Darnold

 

 

Was wondering if Lock would be on front of Burrow..

 

I personally think Darnold is to low. I think he is going to be a stud. 

 

Kinda surprised Goff is that low, bit he did regress a little last year, imo.

 

I think Rams took a hit by losing Cincy + GB head coaches.

 

More so GB coach.

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